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DrLiveLogic:
Well I've done so by comparing parallel scriptures in OT and NT. That will do.
Haddeylium avoided my mention the last time. I'm still waiting to see what he will do with #1-#6

If you compared the OT and NT to proof that Jesus was _Divinity_Become_Humanity, I would have concurred. All you did was compare OT and NT to proof Trinity.
Leave Trinity alone, With the Old testament proof that Jesus was Divinity_Become_Humanity.

shadeyinka:
Let's look at this and tell me which one does not represent your views or its implications

1. Whatever God has not declared cannot exist
2. No one has the power to change Gods declarations

100%

3. Every human being has a future

There is nothing like "future"... That has been my position and it is consistent with God's word.

4. Then God had declared the future for every human being
5. It implies that God had declared the future of heaven or hell for every human being

4&5 is what happens when you believe a " future" exist. It's not part of my view.

6. Therefore God make some people righteous and some people wicked.

This also is not my view... It's an offshoot of thinking a "future" exist.

linearity:
Am somehow drawn to this thread, especially because of the moderate tone....there appear to be a lot to learn and disagree on peacefully...

Taking on your last section above, what do you say about Bible verses that explicitly said, God harden the heart of some people in order to bring about a particular result? In those situations, it appear that the literal reading of the scriptures declares that, those individuals did not have a choice aka 'freewill' on the matter and they have been predestined to act in the sinful way, they did....e.g.

Ex 4:21
The Lord said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders which I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.

Ex. 7:3
But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart that I may multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt.

Ex. 14:8
The Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and he chased after the sons of Israel as the sons of Israel were going out boldly.

Deut. 2:30
But Sihon king of Heshbon was not willing for us to pass through his land; for the Lord your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate, in order to deliver him into your hand, as he is today.

Am almost tempted to say...'poor Pharaoh/Sihon, they appear not to have a choice in the matter'.

Am still very much on the opinion that, despite what we all claimed to have known about God and how He works and his attributes, there are still a lot that we do not know about Him and as such, it will be highly erroneous to think that we can perfectly categorize Him as something or define 100% that he works this way and not that way....He himself said, He is Almighty and can do and undo and not subject to any.

Would it surprise you if you see those guys that laughed at Noah in heaven (well, I mean the new Jerusalem)?
Would it surprise you if you see this same Pharaoh in heaven?
Would it surprise you if you saw Sihon in heaven?
Hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha... You see, this our God is very wonderful and no one will ever be justified against him
Read 1 Peter 3:18...
Read Matthew 24:11-15

Many are rushing to the new testament, the challenge required that you use THE OLD TESTAMENT ONLY!

haddeylium:
That same chapter
Jesus declared that
John1:18-No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

The God that Jesus and true Christains are serving...no one has ever seen him at anytime
People see Jesus or nah?

Hmmmm...

MuttleyLaff:
You typed the above? Is it the person known on here as Blabbermouth? Or is it a bot?
My word is me. I am my word. My word commands respect. Things get done at the voice of my word
If I should call you now and you hear my voice speaking, who would you say you've just heard stringing words together?

Sometimes I ask so many silly questions because I want to know more...
You said "My word is me. I am my word", you are 100% right sir.
But I need a straight YES or No.
Is your word a person?

shadeyinka:
1. At what point is one's name written in the book of life?
Before the world was created as a function of Gods foreknowledge based on the LIFETIME salvation/born again experience

Let me Pan out that God did not foreknow salvation, God declared salvation!
Before I give a commentary to your answer, please answer this;
II. When was Christ crucified / when was the Lamb slain?

Phil4:3
show that a believers name is in the book of life even DURING his lifetime (not after he has died)
Rom 8:29-30
show that Gods foreknowledge (past tense) resulted in a predestination (past tense) to be conformed to the image of Christ. These same people are called and justified
Eph1:4
God had chosen us in Christ even before the foundation of the world
Rev17:8
the believers names have been written from the foundation of the world

Finally,
Heb6:4 says that it is impossible for a believer who gets his name blotted out to be renewed again to repentance.

Alright... We will come back to this.

2. Under what conditions and at what point can one's name be blotted out from the book of life?
Impossible! Ones name cannot be written in error (for God sees the end from the beginning).

What happens to those who nail Christ to the cross twice? Paul made mention of this...

Matt24:24
If it was possible the elect would be deceived out of salvation. However, an elect may be deceived concerning doctrinal matters and other things which does not affect his salvation.

Who is he who overcomes in Rev3:5 ?
According to 1John4:4-5 the one who has Christ in him. Anyone who is Born of God has overcome the world!

He who does not overcome is NOT of God

We will come back to this..

3. God sees the future of everything, wow! Can God see his own future? Or does God not have a future?
God is the I AM that I AM.
Mal3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not;...

The Past, Present and Future is the same to God. He is Omnipresent in TIME and He cannot change. Thus God cannot have a future outside being God. Only Gods creatures can have a future.

This is sweet! It's like we are converging soon.

shadeyinka:
The highlight is actually whrer your major error is.
Yes, God does declare His will or the future and this is more like Predestination
HOWEVER
Freewill imply that God allows his creatures to independently make decisions and choices. God permits this!
The consequence of Freewill is that a MAN is permitted to make his choice even to go against God's will BUT God will not declare that "this MAN" will go against His will. If God makes such a declaration, then man is bound to go against Gods Will no matter what he does.
This makes this mans sinful life a declaration that God Himself had made and thus this man is just doing what God had declared that he should do.

Should this man go to hell for doing Gods biddings?
Is this judgement a Righteous judgement?


The word Foreseen was not used simultaneously. It was used as a precursor to Predestination.
Those God foreknew, He predestined. What happens to those God did not foreknow?


The context of the statement "God who speaks to things that are yet not, AS THOUGH THEY ARE" is in the context of FAITH, CREATION and PREDESTINATION according to the nature and character of God (For Abraham).

Note that Declaration and Predestination are one and the same
If God Predestined/Declared EVERYTHING, then FREEWILL does NOT exist.
If God Predestined/Declared EVERYTHING, then SIN does not exist.
If God Predestined/Declared EVERYTHING, then Judgment is Wickedness and God is NOT Just.

If God Predestined/Declared EVERYTHING, then GOD is also the Author of EVIL and UNRIGHTEOUSNESS in the world!


Is your position still that God has Predestined/Declared EVERYTHING?

Now I see where you don't understand yet from my view.
My position does not claim that God has declared EVERYTHING!
My position states that whatever God has not declared cannot exist!
If God has not declared a future, Future cannot exist!
Here is Our confidence that God has not declared Hell for us, therein we know that our destination does not exist yet!

Dtruthspeaker:
Ok, then the Proof is still in Genesis 1 Verse 3: "And God Said,..; Verse 6, Verse 9, Verse 11, etc.

When The Highest Spoke, The One Who we Call the Jesus the Christ, Comes Forth and you know it is the Law, that, that which is born of yam, is yam, that which is born of flesh, is flesh, that which is born of the Spirit, is Spirit and that which is born of the Divine, is Divine!

Is Your Word a Person?
Is God's word a person?

DrLiveLogic, the challenge was Proof that Jesus was "Divinity become humanity" with the OLD TESTAMENT ONLY!

Dtruthspeaker:
The Proof of the Trinity is seen in the beginning...

No sir, the challenge is not about proving Trinity. The challenge was, proof that Jesus was "Divinity become humanity".

DrLiveLogic:
Blabbermouth, why have you left my 9 questions unattended to. They're well outlined already in my past before last on your thread.

Please sir, do me the favor of stating them out 1,2,3...9. You can copy and paste it again, but this time, directly and orderly.

As for the Triuneness of God. I already offered you this this link where I handled them. Go through #1 to #6. You are yet to refute any of them and calling me here again.

Refute?! Do we have a disagreement before? I read it, why should I (with no aim) refute it?

Again read up my Son of God movie thread to understand the Word.
When I'm done with my Triuneness thread. I will show more scriptures and a fuller explanation.

Torrrr.... I still don't understand, should I oppose you because I want to pick up an argument?

Nobody yet?!

DrLiveLogic:
MuttleyLaff, the questions were for Blabbermouth actually to defend his position plus I had outlined them later.

Please ask me directly.

My ignorance? Continue like how?
Are you so lost in your bubble of 'know-all', you can't even take the time to understand this simple statement?
Again, knowledge is so vast doesn't mean it shouldn't be investigated or that we stay in ignorance. It only means we have to limit it to contexts when discussing else we speak ad infinitum without beginning or ending or a focus in sight. LMAO!

Alright sir, you are right.

Again, bugging questions in my heart? Watch it man! You've come off repeatedly all over your thread as one who thinks he's come here to educate everyone else from some deeper and higher realm none ever approached. In the realm of knowledge, we all are learners. Whatever you think you know, there are thousands out there you may never meet who know much more. Humility is an accomplice of true knowledge.

If this is how I come off, I'm so sorry sir. It's just that the questions being asked are from a stand point of an existing future. Whereas, the questions should be from "If there is no future, why is? What is?". How do you expect me to answer those questions by assuming a future exist when I myself do not believe in it's existence.

And you finally avoided my questions. Huh! Wonder why you and MuttleyLaff so stuck up on the no-brainer: "darkness is the absence of light" that any kindergartener can tell that you totally missed my question. LMAO!
Now if you'd gladly answer my question: What does God mean by knowing good and evil since in your thesis, God knows only light, life and good and nothing not found in his nature? Please don't be evasive this time or try explaining what needn't be. While at it, you may need try going back to my #1 question you evaded.
...haha! But you 'forgot' to answer the question too. LMAO!
Now please tell us unequivocally: after a sinner makes a wrong choice or set of choices, does God then know what reality they've created and does he then their end?
You being evasive again. It's wise to always know when to say "I think I missed a spot" or "need to think about it". You can or else try again to answer the question with simple yes or no.

You for 1, did not ask me directly. Ask them again sir in an orderly manner, please remember to consider my stance and not come from yours.

BTW, all foetuses are heaven-bound until the age of accountability to choose sin and alter that - Paul's meaning in Romans 7:9

Nothing, not even a foetus is heavenly-bound without Christ. This is our confidence in who Christ is.

3 persons? What you were told but the Triuneness of YHWH (Father, Word and Spirit) though is one Being.

I don't think you know my stance on the Trinity matter. I've read everything you posted on that link... However, i don't want to drag this here, I did create a challenge thread recently, we will settle there. Also, I am in no way refutting the divinity of Christ.

Why bother about my opinion? You claim to be the one in the know, remember?

God forbid!

8/ You said God has no evil/darkness in him and only forthtells what is consistent with his nature. So justify it with Isaiah 45:7 is all I'm saying.

I didn't say this.

Why getting unnerved? Plus everyone's got flaws huh? To throw at you but no flaw of your own, huh? Smh. Well, I didn't say you called it foretelling.
I'm saying you've used God's forthtelling here to strike out his foreknowledge, saying he doesn't know but only decrees, when in reality these two attributes are distinct and coexistent. Isn't that what you did?

Again, you Sir, are coming from the standpoint of an existent future and using that same view to question me who believed in no future.
"Foretelling" is for those that believe in future.

haddeylium:
Omggg
You should have tried posting this in the Joke section and see how comedian it makes you look

No problem.

I showed you where peter said that Joel prophesy about miraculous gift came to fulfilment in the 33C.E as the last days of Jewish system of things

You accused csonice of forcing interpretations into scriptures, you just commited the same crime yourself. Give me the bible verse of this your outrageous claim!

You insinuating that I believed Peter's words against God's?... Really?
Who inspired both?....you see how funny you sound

God does not speak from different sides of the mouth. I'm showing you that Paul's word was consistent with God's. Unfortunately, you (I mean, the witness) are trying to use his words to negate God's promise of the last days.

Paul said Miraculous gift would be done away with when the Bible comes to completion...I showed you that too...we have the Bible Canon in whole now and the miraculous gift from God has been done away with...since God cannot lie(Titus1:2)
All what you're seeing out there is magic, if it really exist.

Paul will never bastardly negate God's promise. He said they would be done away with one day, and in trying to make up for some shortcomings, the witness said plugged a date into the scripture for him.

These Brothers are telling you that since some still claim to have the miraculous gift, why are they hesitating to visit the isolation centre?
Don't tell me it has limitations when it comes to COVID?

What is covid19? I'm a living testimony of God's healing ability through Christian vessels. You speak of what you know not.

Is this question that difficult or such group doesn't exist?

A boy that hasn't eaten another woman's food will say his mom is the best Cook. Come to gatherings in my place and see the Word of Knowledge rampantly at work

I said mention that group (apart from JW) that meet the requirements that Jesus himself say would identity his true followers.
We have about 41000 denomination, so I'll wait

Did I not tell you that I hate the "denominations" idea? So, don't ask me to mention any group as though I myself belong to a denomination. If you want to pride in your denomination, go ahead! But like I said, denominations limit the fullness of the work of Christ in a believer.
When it comes to "LOVE", I don't think any denomination does better than the JW.
When it comes to "PRAYER", I don't think any denomination does better than MFM.
When it comes to "FAITH", I don't think any denomination does better than .....
When it comes to " POWER", go see CFAN, some Redeem Sub-factions, CAC and the likes. Right now though, there is the need for a charismatic revival.
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Unless you pledge your allegiance to Christ as King and not some sect or denomination, you will never key into that promise God declared about the last days.
Peace!
We will talk about your angel Michael in another thread.

Emusan:
If Trinity is umbilical!

1. How come there are THREE persons identified in the scripture to be ETERNAL?

2. Is God not ETERNAL?

Bible verse please!

Make I call people.
Haddeylium, Maximus69, DappaD, Chatinent, Janosky, and other Witnesses, will you take this challenge?
DrLiveLogic, Emusan, Csonice1, Petra1,Anas09, Solite3, and co. Will you take this challenge?

.

With the Old testament only, proof that Jesus was "Divinity become Humanity"


If you are a witness, proof (with the old testament only) that Jesus was " Angel become Human"

Maximus69:
One who could say "I am the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End" Revelations 22:13

Well it's certain that he knows his own future before he can confidently promise others of a bright future, please meditate on this words "Look! I am making all things New... Write this down for this words are Faithful and True" Revelations 21:5

Please do you think this person knows his own future?

Sweet! Who wrote God's future?
What I'm saying is - Did God look into his own future and he realized that he will at one point create angels and men.
If so, who ordained it that "God should/will create angels and men"?

Maximus69, I read your answers. Please do Justice to my question 3.

shadeyinka:
It seems three words relating to God you either not understand or totally misrepresent
1. Foreknowledge
2. Predestination
3. Freewill

I understand them 100%.

If I get you perfectly, your claim is that it is impossible for God to have a Foreknowledge of things.

But if that is the case,
1. What is prophecy

Acts 21:11:
"And when he was come to us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus said the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that ownes this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles."

Have you watched " The passion of Christ"? Honestly, that film did not perfectly depict the suffering of Christ. Try to pluck just a strand of hair from your beards, you see how painful that is? Well, Christ's beards were literally plucked off!
What shall we say then, that God did not declare Christ to die in this manner?
What shall we say then, that Peter being invertedly crucified was something Peter chose by free will?
What shall we say then, that James being beheaded was something James loved?
What shall we say then, that Stephen being stoned to death was Stephen's own freewill?
You don't see so many things yet.

For it seems (according to your doctrine) that the Holy Spirit conspired with the Jews in Jerusalem to bind Paul for going to Jerusalem. Wasn't he warned not to go?

Who declared it? Paul's freewill or God?
Don't you realize that he was warned because it was possible for him to choose to Go or not to Go?
According to the future doctrine, God saw that Paul will go and God warned him not to go (but then, he knew that he will still go by foreknowledge) , he was just warning him so that it won't look as if he was not warned. Now, you see how illogical that is.
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Let's dig deep a little bit....
Do you think that the death of Christ was something dependent on Christ's action and inaction, past action, freewill and all?
If so, that would mean that God was creating a lot of humans hoping that one of them will fit into what he wants. Luckily, God by foreknowledge saw that Jesus was perfect for the Job.
No sir! From the point that he would be born of a virgin to him being baptized by john down to him being crucified was all predetermined/declared by God himself.
So God was chipping those prophets in on what he has declared and that was how Isaiah,Moses, Daniel, Joel, Zechariah and the likes were able to foretell of the coming of Christ.

shadeyinka:
Now you see why I initially assumed you were a JW?
You have taken their teachings and unknowingly made it your doctrine.

Jehovah's witnesses believe that God CANNOT see the future. But if God can't, then why did He have His Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Why did the bible say "to those God has Foreseen, He predestined"?, What is prophecy if not relaying the FUTURE?

JW: God CANNOT SEE SOME PART OF THE FUTURE
This is the weakest of all views but then, I understand where they are coming from. The only similarity with my view and JW's view is that - we do not/did not cross the line.
According to witnesses, they picture God as a being with a search engine like google. So God just type " Shadeyinka's future " and His divine Google will bring it out, howbeit filtering the evil parts of it. C'mon we both know how flawed this is.
Just like you, they also are missing the most important piece, and that is "There is no future aside what God has declared and permitted to happen"... The moment the JW's plug this into their view, it becomes perfect and consistent with God's word. The Moment you also plug this into your view, it becomes perfect and consistent with God's word.
Now, look at that part where you yourself said "Why did he HAVE HIS LAMB slain? .. Can you now see that it was God declaring this himself so that You all can be saved?
"Foreseen was used simultaneously with predestined"... Someone, I think linearity showed you this to prove that both work hand in hand. Like the bible said God who speaks to things that are yet not, AS THOUGH THEY ARE While humans saw Christ slain 2000+ years ago, In God's reality He has been slained already the moment he declared it. God can't pretend it, His realm and His reality is NOW! Many times, when relating with humans, He does speak to accommodate your realm.

It didn't make you see that your posture has made God with the capabilities of mere mortals and God a gambler. You didn't see that your position has made God vulnerable to any of His creatures who dare execute a coup de tat? You unknowingly have reduced God to the Greek gods probably Zeus (for Zeus doesn't know the future )

You will never hear it in any theology school that there is no future. It's from an human view that we think a future exist. I'm trying to help you see things more from a spirit standpoint.
God vulnerable?!
The prophet under the unction of the holy spirit said concerning Satan "For you have said in your heart"... Is there anyone that God sees not his heart? How then shall anyone be able to overthrow Him?

I'm sorry, my own God is NOT like that. My God is omnipresent in both space and time.

I do not expect you to settle with the truth immediately. It might take days, weeks or month, but one day during your WORD STUDY session, you will see the truth yourself, I trust the holy spirit.

MuttleyLaff, ShadeYinka, DrLiveLogic, Maximus69 and everyone following, I have 2 questions for you;
1. At what point is one's name written in the book of life?
2. Under what conditions and at what point can one's name be blotted out from the book of life?
Modified:
3. God sees the future of everything, wow! Can God see his own future? Or does God not have a future?

Maximus69:
Please keep saying "God's word was right"

This one makes sense... Thank you.

MuttleyLaff:
Please tell, was Lucifer coerced by God to misbehave, hmm? Was Lucifer forced or threatened to usurp God, hmm?

This is a stumbling block for those who think a "future" exist. Did I not tell you that Lucifer invented a big kasala when he said "I will...."? How did God then force him? This question is one I should ask you and Shade... According to me, nothing like " future", so freewill is perfectly exercised.

Even in the garden, no one questioned God, why in the first place did He, without their permissions, create them. Not Adam, not Eve and not the serpent either. A&E didnt question God over why the TKGE was placed within their reach, so what foxtrot uniform charlie kilo are you talking about here

That was Me backlashing Shade.. Lucifer does not relate with God as if a future exist.. Yea, no angel does that!
Do you remember the Job saga that happened between Satan and God? We both know that Satan know God far more than you or anyone does.. He wouldn't enter that bargain with A God who can press the forward button.. Lucifer himself knew a future does not exist and that is why he entered the bargain... Now, think about that.

God didnt say He made Lucifer perfect nah, abeggy. You were "perfect in your ways" is quite different from "made perfect," nah. If Satan was made perfect, Satan wouldn't have fallen from grace to grass off his pedestal

A perfect creator making imperfect creature... So much for perfection. God created light and God said "Good" because He the creator was and is "Good"... How can an imperfect being be perfect in his ways? A perfect pot made by a perfect potter can decide (if it has will) to stumble into imperfection, (say, it decided to jump off from the table and cracked itself on the floor). Whose fault is that? The potter? God forbid! Surely, it's the pot. That's an illustration of what happened.

Though I am not made perfect, I try to be perfect in my ways, as much as I have the grace and will power too

All thanks to Adam. Again, a perfect potter does not make imperfect pots. No! That's not my God.

Can Lucifer saved himself from the lake of fire. Can Lucifer save death from being thrown into the Lake of Fire with him?. Can Lucifer stop and/or end death, hmm?

The death I talked about is not that one that comes to separate your body from your spirit. Jesus said that old serpent was a liar and a " murderer"... Lucifer cannot save himself, Baba God has declared it. Lucifere cannot stop death, Baba God has declared it.

You are ascribing undue and unmerited credit to Lucifer

Smh. You are so far up yourself, that you are becoming increasingly less interesting, less making sense and more boring

That old serpent has not merit with me. I'm only subtly tipping us all on what happened in that former dispensation of God and Angels, howbeit I will not say more than this.

DrLiveLogic:
Muttleylaff, the realm of knowledge is so vast, we have to limit it to boundaries and premises.

Take this mentality away! You will be limited by your ignorance if you continue like this.

Like I told Blabbermouth, he seems to have a struggle with foreknowledge and predestination. He has made some good points here which form a part of my perspective which I lightly scratched when I was handling the Beginning Ending aspect of the Word and Father with JWs, but not circumspect because there are many questions his position doesn't satisfy. Like
1/ how Light had to produce a light(lucifer) that produced darkness. Where then did the darkness or its possibility arise from, if its grandparent is Light without darkness.

This question and the other ones you asked are a consequence of your stance on this matter and not mine. This is an attempt of using this medium to help you solve the bugging questions you have always had in your heart. Nevertheless, I will oblige you.

2/ Also what does God then mean by claiming to know good and evil in Genesis 3:22.

From QST 1 and 2, are you saying that God is evil and dark? God forbid! Or else, you've just crossed the line. Evil is not the opposite of Good, no! It is what you get when Goodness is absent. Darkness is not the opposite of light, it is what you get when light is absent. This is why you cannot make a room "darker"..
God said A&E will die the very same day they eat of the fruit, did they die (physically)? No! Is God lying? No! To die is to be separated from the source of life (I.e God)...

it begs the question,
3/ after you choose, does God then know your end?

Hahaha....

4/ If so, has he then updated his knowledge and become more than what he initially was? and yet many other questions.

That's the problem when humans start seeing God as a person.

Again I have to say he has(whether deliberately or not) totally misrepresented shadeyinka's view forcing it unnecessarily to juxtapose freewill, foreknowledge and predestination. He also unmeritoriously makes an unreasonable case with a foetus choosing hell which is totally out of line with shade's view, like how can you not still get it.

No! The foetus case is not unreasonable. You will have an issue with it if you think a future, aside from what God has declared exist. You can help him answer the question I asked him though.
Also, I did not misrepresent his view. He was trying not to cross the line from outside the line, more like eating your cake and having it back.

There are many prerequisites to settle before this including Triuneness of God that seems to be also misunderstood, even by Blabbermouth himself.

"God in three persons" -is that what Trinity is? Sir, I want you to do something for me - With the old testament alone, show that Jesus was Divinity become humanity"... I'm not permitted to say many things for now, but I do implore you to do that task I ask you. Trust me, your revelation of who Christ is will increase in many folds.

Till then, let Blabbermouth try justifying the points raised and as well explain:

5/ how God predicts the future of both the good and the evil, like Jacob and Esau etc., before they even make their choices and

Bible verse please...

6/ whose names are not in the book of life and why then God created these people

It's the problem of those thinking God needs to press a forward button. However, check my response to Muttley, I answered this already.

7/ and how they could create a reality that didn't exist in God. Is the end then different from the beginning?

I don't understand this question.

8/ What is meant in Isaiah 45:7, how God forms light and creates darkness and good and evil.
Your thesis so far seems like you've bitten off quite a bit more than can chew. This subject is much deeper than you've presented. The reason I said many prerequisites must be settled before this.

Again, are you saying that there is darkness in God?

9/ As for his case with Isaiah 46:10, he ended up just replacing God's forthtelling with foreknowledge which are two distinct attributes of God and he does both. Forthtelling is how he brings his foreknowledge to play in this movie.

No! That was what Shade and Muttley did, not me. I said Isaiah 46:10 was forthtelling the end... Nowhere did I call it foretelling!
Why is everyone throwing their own flaws on me?

MuttleyLaff:

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I have various times tried to extract these "Why" and/or "What" info from others, but to no avail.

The last poster I asked similar questions, threw them most back in my face, claiming, dont understand, not understood et cetera

You want me to answer those questions?

MuttleyLaff:
"And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast.
They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered before the world was made."
- Revelation 13:8

"The beast that you saw—it was, and now is no more, but is about to come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction.
And those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world
will marvel when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be."
- Revelation 17:8

Please do a exegete and hermeneutic on the two above Revelation 13:8 and Revelation 17:8 verses

Smiles... Maybe God sat down one day and created a book called the "Book of Life", he opened it and he started writing names - 1. MuttleyLaff 2. Blabbermouth 3. Shade 4. Maximus 5. Frank 317 and He intentionally decided to omit the following names 1. Reed 2. Buda 3. Otem 4. Mj.Bolt.... Is that it?
If so, where is the freewill? Don't get it twisted cus I'm sticking to the context of the bible where is explicitly said " Whose names were not written "... Consequently then, there are those " Whose name was written " before the foundation of the world.
OR
What shall we say again, that Muttley, Shade, Blabber, and Maximus in their non-existent state wrote their names themselves? And Otem, Reed, Bolt, Buda and co. exercising freewill decide not to write their own names? Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha... Let's be honest with ourselves then, if this is the case, religion is a joke.
Seriously now...
Christ was slain 2000+ years ago and God is saying Christ has been slain before the foundation of the world. Ha ha! Who then is wrong? Is it God? God forbid!
Like I said, God is more than a Person... He is higher and infinite, more of a realm&reality than limiting him to a person. In God's realm, everything is NOW! no later, no next year! Everything to him is NOW!
It was when I caught this revelation did I realize that everyone is making a mistake by thinking God has some forward button for going into some nonexistent future.
Having established all this;
We should both then agree to the truth that no literal names were written!
In this case again, Bro. Maximus69 was right.

I haven't mentioned Satan yet, but he is also a very important figure in talks like this.
Like i said, freewill is not totally "free" and a lot depends on the domain in which it is exercised.
When I say domain, I mean LIFE and DEATH.
God is the source of the Domain of Life
Satan is the source of the Domain of death.
If you operate in God's domain, you freewill is subjected to his will. He guides your path, direct your feet and do so many things.
Fortunately for Christians but unfortunately for unbelievers, If you operate in the Devil's domain, he also has some right over you. To an extent, he can guide your path, to an extent he can direct your feet.
We thank God for Jesus who conquered this death and brought us into life.

shadeyinka:
What then is Prophecy if the future does not exist?
Why is the book of Revelation speaking of a nonexistent future?

The revelations were gotten from a sealed book. Who wrote this book?
The book of revelations is a fulfillment of Isaiah 46:10
In prophecy, we have foretelling and forthtelling...
When you or God forthtell, you exercise Isaiah 46:10
When you foretell, you are relating what God has forthtold.
God, Hezekiah and Isaiah is a typical example.
God declaring Hezekiah's death (forthtelling)
Isaiah telling Hezekiah that he will die soon (foretelling)

shadeyinka:
You should at least own up to misrepresenting my views.

I was aggressive when engaging you because I wanted you to see something yourself.
If we use the case of;
1. God and a foetus
2. God and Lucifer
3. God and Adam
We both know that 100 years from now, you will never be able to explain how a non-existent Lucifer chose "Fall" for itself. We both know that 1000 years from now, no one will be able to explain how an unconscious foetus chose hell for itself. That's the truth and the truth is true.