₦airaland Forum

raumdeuter:
Why should he avoid it?

His power ministry maybe it would have been different if he had a Tinubu who lay down the blueprint and was collecting the political bullets while he can focus on his work as administrator

Did anybody lay any blueprint for Tunji-Ojo that is performing as a minister in interior ministry today ?

The thing is the ministries Fashola got under Buhari were ministries he was wrong fit for . If Fashola had gotten ministry of justice and had performed well , nobody will be talking about any blueprint talk.

raumdeuter:
What Tinubu did was more than what Fashola did

Fashola did not fight any FG unlike what Tinubu did. It was the grund work of Tinubu that made Fasholas regime relatively smooth
All the with held funds that was starved Tinubus administration, was released later to benefit mostly Fasholas administration

How will Fashola have fared if he had to go through the rigours

Its like an immigrant child who was riding bus and grew up in an apartment claiming he did better than his parents who had to trek through Sahara desert and sleep in refugee camp for years before finding their feet

We are not going to be rehashing the “held Lagos funds “ story all over again. FG held the LG funds of all states that created additional LGA’s , not just Lagos alone . The affected states were Lagos, Ebonyi, Katsina, Nasarawa and Niger states. If Lagos didn’t have money , they would’ve backed down like the other states.

The held funds are LG funds and not state funds . Lagos got its allocation from FAAC all through the period .

Tinubu didn’t do anything more than Fashola , maybe he fought FG more than Fashola sha.

We are talking about real development that people can feel not some “ I pave way for you “ , “ I walk so you can fly “ political talks

raumdeuter:
Fashola cannot aspire to be president for the next 16yrs at least. The best he can be will be VP

He should avoid it at all cost if knows what’s good for him. He should learn from Osinbajo

raumdeuter:
I lived in Lagos during the regime of Tinubu and Fashola and I agree that Tinubu was the father of modern Lagos. It was the template he laid that Fashola and others after him followed

lol. As expected .

What we are discussing is the best governor as regards what was done in their respective tenures and I can boldly say Fashola outperformed Tinubu is all areas of governance .

All those talk about father of modern Lagos is mere political talks . Those are what politicians tell themselves in their parties.

We ordinary citizens rate governors based on what they did while in power .

Amigoss:
Is this Fashola project in existence today?

https://www.nairaland.com/1194409/fashola-sets-october-date-10.4mw

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/10/17/fashola-commissions-alausa-power-plant/?amp=1

Fashola actually commissioned the project in October 2013 as promised and the project is still in existence till date .

The IPP powers the Alausa secretariat

https://www.elektronenergy.com/projects/

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Dem say na Tinubu masterplan everybody dey use.

I no dey their WhatsApp group sha, but i really cannot remember any sector that the guy did not touch.[/color]

I just hope when the time comes Fashola will not settle for VP ticket to deputize a northerner just like Osinbajo .

That will definitely stain his white further cos as VP it will be almost impossible for him to effect any meaningful change in this country .

Amigoss:
Lmao,sendforth package ...Donald Duke dreamt/built a tourism economy in Cross River State so the state will not be solely dependent on FAAC,Calabar carnival inclusive... Not his fault if successive govt don't buy into the dream and ran it into the ground...

I hope u know the sendforth comment was a joke and I actually acknowledged those things were actually acts of corruption on Fashola’s part ?

That being said , if we flay Umahi of Eboyin for building an airport and tagged it white elephant project , we can call Obudu cattle ranch same.

What is the economic viability of the ranch even when he was the governor ? No be by just dreaming , what is the economic viability of ur dreams ?

If ur dream no bring returns , then u just wasted the the state’s resources ni

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Fashola has to be the best governor Nigeria ever produced.

This one they have ascribed every single progress in Lagos to Tinubu, I wonder what Fashola would brag about when he runs for presidency someday.

Especially roads, omoh, the man try[/color]

All those talks about "Tinubu built Lagos " na just political talks. Only those that didn't live in Lagos during the terms of Tinubu and Fashola will buy that lamba.

Even Tinubu knows the truth in his heart of hearts.

Amigoss:
😂😂

Fashola was said to have spent N78.3 million ($390,000) on the upgrade of his official website, N139 million ($700,000) on the drilling of two boreholes at the government secretariat and to have awarded a N640 million ($3.2 million) contract to German engineering firm Julius Berger for the reconstruction of a car park and other associated works at the Lagos House Marina, his official residence.

This is not the definition of white elephant project na.

What u quoted is Fashola giving himself a nice sendforth package. I'm sure nobody will claim Fashola didn't steal, but he is not known for spending on white elephant projects.

A white elephant project refers to an investment or project that has required a high expenditure but fails to deliver returns or serves no useful purpose

The definition above best describes the Tinapa project

Unlimited22:
My uncles told me people were reverse-japaing when Obj was in power, especially those who escaped under Buhari (they showed me the Andrew checking out commercial), IBB and Abacha.

That was the period there was actually middle class in the real sense of it. Middle was middle class

Amigoss:
Favourite Better

Yar adua
Donald Duke

Worst

Buhari....Tinubu might beat it at this rate in less than 2years

Lucky igbinedion

Lucky Igbinedion

I don’t know much about Edo politics but from what I could read in the papers about that family that time, I was more like the family just helped themselves to the state’s resources

PDPGuy:
OBJ is my favorite too, because under his administration, Naija’s economy grew the fastest, when compared to his successors.

That economic growth really set him apart from the rest . I don’t think Nigeria has witnessed much investors coming to the country like that

afrodoc2:
I agree on Fashola. His draconian attitude towards opposition and disagreement forced me to japa.
I will always be eternally grateful to him. Best governor ever liveth.

lol 😂

He was best governor to u for a wrong reason .

But then Omo, fashola get mind gan; he took some unpopular decisions that people believe most other governors wouldn’t . He no send anybody once he sets his mind on doing something

PDPGuy:
Tomorrow, Nigeria’s 4th Republic will clock 25 years; and Tinubu’s government will be one year old..

So, who has been your favorite 4th republic president and governor?

BEST PRESIDENT THUS FAR; Obasanjo. His period witnessed significant economic growth , it was more like a breath of fresh air from the successive choking years of military rule ; even though onasanjo being an ex-military man displayed military tendencies in some of his political decisions , still it was a period the press and general public could criticize government openly again without fear of being detained illegally without fair trial. Obj’s administration also did well in the areas of having our debts written off by international creditors and he attracted investors into the country with his constant travel all over the world ( even though the opposition then criticized him for globetrotting with tax payers money )

Although his time as president witnessed a rise in cases of political assassinations (which is a big minus to his administration ) , I would say those killings are actually due to desperation of various political stakeholders to silence their political rivals and not solely on the OBJ government .


BEST GOVERNOR THUS FAR: Fashola . His period as Lagos governor witnessed significant change in the fortune of the state . He set the state straight with his policies .

In the area of Education, Fashola with the full support of his deputy Sarah Sosan ( who was an educationist before politics) revamped the public education sector in Lagos state . Their administration was like a turn around for public education in Lagos ; prior to their administration public school education was nothing to write home about. I attended a public secondary school and I know about how teachers were given to dereliction of duties , some don’t even come to school more than twice a week, some of them turn the school staff room to their shops , others bring melon to school and give students to break for them ; while some just come to school to sign attendance register and then go back to their various businesses like supplying eggs, selling foodstuff in shops , etc.
Sarah Sosan being an educationist who knew all of these anomalies started by sending education inspectors to schools to clamp down on the unscrupulous teachers who were caught off guard and issued queries ; when word about this spread fast, they started adjusting . Fashola’s administration also renovated schools , provided desk and chairs which has been a problem in public schools in Nigeria ; he also put a stop to all forms of levies which principals always collect despite having free education in Lagos. His administration also provided textbooks for students and equipped school libraries . I know quite a handful of people who withdrew their children from private schools after they fell on hard times and enrolled them in public schools without regrets afterwards.

His administration wasnalso responsible for taking out of the streets the rickety molue buses and gave the state the BRT buses instead .

The only challenge I had with some of his policies then was that they were elitist. Like road rehabilitation concentrated in the elitist part of Lagos like the island while giving less attention to the mainland . Then the outright okada ban in his second term after he had given out helmet to okada riders during his second term campaign . I felt he could’ve modified the operations of the bikemen instead of banning them outrightly cos some areas are not even motorable in this state and only an elite will not know that.

But overall I don’t think any governor has done better than him in Lagos and even in Nigeria as a whole ( but this may be debatable considering the amount of funds available to him sha )

A40:
That is how they will suspend their 419 Coastal road as well

Ijoba onijibiti

The way a lot of APC supporters and apologists insulted David Hudeyin when he was calling out the Nigeria Air fraud ehn…..Now everybody eyes don clear .

At least now we know APC government siphoned billions of Naira all in the name of a national carrier that never saw the light of the day even under another APC led government .

After the hullabaloo about Nigeria Air.....smh

https://www.nairaland.com/8106094/fg-suspends-nigeria-air-project

Some couple of billions down the drain

Spy360:
This Liman is the same Kano high court judge?

Well, the oga kpatakpata of the judicial thieves is the CJN. And Tinubu is his benefactor. Chop bribe, pass judgement, clean mouth. Our judiciary is gone.

My fear is someone like Liman can find his way to Appeal Court. If that happens, he will just be selling Senate and House of Reps judgment to the highest bidder (You know appeal court is the final court for House assembly election matters)

afrodoc2:
By mentioning proving you already answered my question.

So it has to be proven to be true? I thought we were just here to score lyrical dexterity and entertainment value.

If we will be needing proof let me not waste my time. I need to go and watch Terrahawks.

Seeing is believing baba mi.

afrodoc2:
What is the scoring system for this bout?

Are we allowed to score points for claims that are funny and entertaining even though they are false?

For now we are not scoring yet.....We wait for the "Allegator" to finish alleging and proving; It is only then the judges will start recording points. We then wait for the other party to have the floor

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Easy with the lies

Okpa me I Dey wait evidence of Ibime engaging in Fraud like this

In April 2015, Justice Liman who was at a High Court in Edo presided over a corruption case involving Michael Igbinedion, younger brother to a former governor of Edo State, Lucky Igbinedion, who was facing money laundering charges worth N25 billion. Patrick Eboigbodin, who was an aide of ex-Governor Igbinedion, was Michael Igbinedion’s co-defendant in the matter.

He convicted Michael Igbinedion over three counts out of the 81-count charge preferred against him by prosecutors from the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) and asked to pay a fine of N1 million for each of the three counts rather than spend two years in jail.

However, Justice Liman denied Eboigbodin the option of a fine after finding him guilty on 10 counts. Not only was he sentenced to 20 years imprisonment, the judge further ordered him to pay a compulsory fine of N250,000.

His conviction stirred reactions about why a principal defendant was given the option of a fine that a co-defendant was not given

https://www.nairaland.com/8105815/kano-emirate-7-controversies-trailing

Them supposed lock this Kano Federal High Court Judge for cell throway the key . The man is one of the bad eggs in the judiciary

Theflint1:
I swear, here for the receipts...calling someone ex-MEND militant is some bold accusation.

As in....Receipt are very necessary

*incumbit probatio qui dicit non qui negat* HE WHO ASSERTS MUST PROVE

Ah

Jodera:
Lol, if this is true then it's smacks of desperation to really get Mount.

Most deals like this I know, the trophies are specified (like if you win Ucl, so so amount).

How will you pay someone 5m for winning fa cup?

Stop indulging those dolts . When they fool themselves tire without getting any engagement they will crawl back to whatever hole they crept out of.

raumdeuter:
Then you'll now ask what is Oba without power, when his influence is restricted

When Oba can say this and the other elevated chief can say another with govt backing them

Soon they'll have their own palace, escort, Prado jeeps

Let’s wait tilll that happens . Let’s wait till till the elevated chiefs start usurping the traditional jurisdiction of the Oba .

Till that happens , every other thing is wishful thinking .

Did any of the chiefs elevated by Ajimobi usurp the jurisdiction of the late Olubadan ?

Politicians can choose to give money prado and what have you to anybody they so desire due to the executive powers they have at their disposal . But when it comes to traditional rulers , it is the people that decide who they actually owe their loyalty .

raumdeuter:
Oba will still be Oba but with less power and influence and what's an Oba without the power?



There will be Oba of Bini, Theflint1 of Ikpoba(a part under the Oba rule but taken away from him), Segedinho of GRA etc until the power of Oba is greatly reduced

Why do you think BTC wrote against it? That's because they know that na from clap dance dey start

This has always been my position in this matter .

Every other thing is a matter of subjectivity and perception . It is subject to how individuals perceive it.

The people of the town/kingdom know whom their loyalty lies with. Politicians will always be politicians

raumdeuter:
He doesn't need to create others, he will simply elevate existing chiefs and give them more power, reduce funding to Oba and share with others too

How does that now make the Oba not remaining as the Oba ? How does that make the next Oba come from another family and not the family of the Oba he just dethroned ?

raumdeuter:
You don't have to dethrone to water down, all you need to elevate others and govt give them relevance

In Yorubaland there were very few Obas before. I think it was 60s or 70s that even Ibadan throne and others were elevated to full Obas. To reduce the influence of Alaafin who was supposed to be the biggest king

Traditionally Ooni was not a king, he was like a priest until someone decided to cut the influence of Alaafin because of the then Alaafin issue with Bode Thomas an Action Group member they elevated the Ooni throne under Adesoji Aderemi who was Governor General of the western region

That’s why I said it is disengagious to compare the Benin situation with what obtains in other parts of the country . Most communities in Nigeria have more than one ruling house .

The Binis have just one ruling house . How will a governor create multiple ruling houses ?

raumdeuter:
Did you read the letter Bini traditional council wrote against Obaseki cos it seems the allegations was that Obaseki was trying to break the power and influence of the Oba stool

Maybe that’s what Obaseki is trying to do , maybe not.

But one thing is certain , there’s only one Royal family in Benin and if Obaseki decides to dethrone the current Oba for political reasons , he will only end up installing the Oba’s son or relative .

The throne in Benin is hereditary. The succession plan is sacrosanct . Unlike what we have in other parts of the country where an Oba can be picked from another Royal family.

I may be wrong tho and I am open to corrections

Jodera:
True sha. For a 5-aside, Saliba and Partey fit lock place down while Smith Rowe will do the carrying

Team 1 has a deficiency in the sense that they have so many attackers and just 1 defender . And Ben white even though a good defender , he can’t do a 2-man work .

This reminded me of when I was in primary 5 in a decent private school . Most of our teachers then were Ghanians and they always push us to get the best out of us .

Our class teacher then decided he was going to start a weekly quiz where they will ask questions bothering on current affairs , capital of countries all over the world , history , little bit of science and calculations . They formed like 5 groups and named each group according to a color like orange , purple , blue, green , and white .

Papers were rolled and each class member picked one to decide which group he will fall under . They didn’t want a situation where it will seem like they kept all intelligent people on one side and people struggling on the other . I fell ended up in the purple group and most of the people that are usually known for their academic prowess did too.

But the funny thing is we only won the weekly quiz twice , subsequent ones were won by other groups . The fact that we had so many brilliant students in our group was even a disadvantage because one of the rules to the quiz is that u only have one shot at the answer as a group ,once a member of ur group attempts and miss the answer ; the next group can attempt it and get a bonus mark for it. Our group was always not organized , almost all group members were too overconfident and once we just give a wrong answer out of overconfidence the next group takes it as bonus point . Then I usually don’t like jumping to answer questions even if I know the answer , those who are too forward in my group will just bungle our chances . They only consult me when they don’t have an idea of the answer at all.

That period taught me a great lesson in life that a team may look good on paper but if they are not well balanced they may not achieve anything at all.