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striktlymi: Good afternoon Boomark,

The above demonstrates that you know little about the bold! If you do know then you would realize that it applies to you more than it does to me. The simple test to know how deluded you are is ask yourself why you believe that sacred scriptures is inspired.


I am a bit disappointed that you fail to recognize a trick question when you see one...or is it because you are the one asking the question? Every Christian who knows his/her onions can tell that the way Christ is the Son of God is different from the way we are sons and daughters of God. This I have explained before and in it lies the answer to your question.

May be the explanation is a bit too much for you to grasp. Think more in line with a child who is related to his father by blood and another who is related by adoption...would you call both the same kind of relationship with the father?

Good evening Str.

Let me teach you what it is to be deluded with bible and practical examples.

Jn 20:17
"...i am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God."

after showing you this and i ask you "do we share/have the same Father with Jesus"?

Being deluded because you have a false belief you are holding unto somewhere, you don't want to believe the truth Jesus said himself.

Another practical example pointing to your being deluded is this.

You have your own children and later adopted a boy. You became a Father to that boy. That boy and your own children share the same Father which is you. The rights and privileges of all your children differs.

Do you now see what it is like not to accept a known truth? It is equal to delusion.

If you can show everyone that you and every Tom, Diick and Mariah will seat at the right hand of the Father like Jesus then I will agree that our inheritance with Jesus is the same.

The way you guys look at Jesus as just another Boomark or Ijawkid is really amazing! May be we all too can be called Eternal Father Just like Jesus in order to prove that our inheritance with him is the same.

The above does not make any sense!

If a families inheritance is Nigeria, and the 1st son got 35 states while the rest got 1 state. Is this not the same inheritance which they shared?

Do you see that you have been deluded catholic doctrine. Unless you don't know and may be you are new. It pains me to use that word. If na italo, i have no skin pain.

ijawkid: @pygru....I guess you've learnt something from boomarks reply...hope you now understand the definition of the word ""Godhead"" from the scriptures....??.......

Instead of running around pasting web sites learn from d scriptures....

hisblud made me compile those in the 1st place and when i showed him, he never said 'pim' afterwards.

We are waiting for pygru and his trinity group. At least this their stronghold(Godhead) on trinity has been taken away from them. More will be taken to be placed in its place.

italo: These anti-Catholics who call themselves "Christians" know everything about occult and witchcraft. Many of the things they say, I have no idea of.

You wonder how they know all these things. Could they be cultists and witches?

Then you should start reading and searching for the truth so you don't erroneously practice witchcraft just BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW.

Nice tip for you.

Missonas: OK!im going 2tel my nephew 2 4get abt blowing off candles on his nxt bday cos itz occultic hahahahahaha

Birthday candles have their significance.

Occultic candles have their significance.

What is the significance of the candles used by catholics even in a church with overflooded light?

Missonas: And hw does my own personal opinion affect u?

It could mislead me or guide me right as someone you want to lead to Christ. A true Christian who is teaching the truth should be able to answer these questions TRUTHFULLY.

Boomark:
Are all the beautiful pictures you see the same person? Howcan he be more beautiful that he is represented? Are they not his pictures?

italo: Because, as you pointed out above, God never condemned it.

I don't know why you are running around the question.

I asked, why do you use candles during mass? If there is no reason or it has no meaningful significance, just say it.

Yooguyz: hey sweerie 1000 likes for that thread its good dat you are exposing hypocrisy in the thread. I have scriptures to prove....very good thread

You can see how daft there questions are. The more they ask such questions the more they expose themselves.

And when i ask questions they could not answer, they flaw the genuity of what the believe in.

chukwudi44: Nope he said study the bible.besides since Jesus didn't study the NT should we discard it?

Did Jesus use the internet? Did he browse on nairaland? Why do you do all these?

Jesus did not study the new testament But the NT contains the truth Jesus said the Holyspirit will reveal to us. So do you still want to discard the NT?

I use nairaland to spread the Gospel. I think the apostles would use it if it was available during their time. But Jesus and his disciples never prayed to Mary who was available then.

So is it wrong to us the internet?
Is it wrong to use the

truthislight: Mr "SENTIMENTS!"

You that dont answer peoples questions but go round and avoid giving answer with unrelated statement.

Go back on this your thread and see how many time you have used the word "sentiment" as a cup out.

Even changing capital "L" from the word Lord from a bible passage befor posting it.

Are you a dishonest person or a fraud?

For the sake of other readers i had expected that you gave answers to all questions directed at you with explanations as to pass on "knowledge", unfortunately, that is too much to expect from you.

*sigh*

Mr "SENTIMENT".

The great web of delusion has 'catching' him.

We simply asked, "do we share the same Father with Jesus"? He said, "the question is tricky."

What if we come ask, "are we going to share the same inheritance with Jesus"? I wonder if he will say, "this is an evil question."

Bro Str, where you were before and where you chose to be a Christian are almost the same thing. If you find it difficult to answer simple questions little timothy, the Corinthians, etc would answer according to the letters written to them, the you have to RUN.

Lovethywilbedon: Jesus HONOURED Mary more than we Catholic Can EVER DO. At the wedding in Cana. John2:1-12. To show you how Jesus respects and honours His (parent) Mary and to show you how important Mary is to Him, Jesus granted her request, even though (according to Christ) "THE TIME APPOINTED BY GOD HAS NOT COME". This is "GREAT HONOUR". In fact, this is "THE GREATEST HONOUR" ever given to a creature. Does'nt it beat your imagination how Jesus could have granted such a request that is not in accordance with the appointed time chosen by God, even when He said He came to earth to do God's will. I tell you the truth. Jesus would not have granted that request if it was made by anyone else be it Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, even Angel Gabrieal, reason being that it is not yet the time appointed by God. But guess what?. He granted the request of the Humble Virgin Mary to show her some Honour and Respect because she is His BELOVED MOTHER and He is her BELOVED SON. This is exactly the reason why we Catholics honour her.

Are you catholics following stories in the bible or are you following Christ? You are just full of emotions because of what you worship. Christ never asked Mary to pray for him, did he. He never asked his followers to ask Mary to pray for them. At least he had the opportunity of doing it here but what did he say?

honeychild:
Christians should not speak carelessly about Mary, that is true. But at the same time, let us not attribute to her more honor than the Bible supports.
1. Jesus honored and obeyed her as his mother.....nothing more. He never asked or encouraged his followers to give her any special attention.

Lk 11: 27, 28: As he said this, a woman in the crowd raised hervoice and said to him 'Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the bosoms that you sucked.'
BUT HE SAID BLESSED RATHER ARE THOSE WHO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD AND
KEEP IT.

Mk 3:31-35: And his mother and his brothers came; and standing outside they sent to him
and called him. And they said to him 'Your mother and your brothers are outside
asking for you.' And he replied: 'who are my mother and my brothers?' And looking
around on those who sat around him he said: here are my mother and my brothers.
The point I am trying to make here is that Jesus never indicated that any special honor or veneration should be given to his mother.

Blessed is everyone doing the will of the Father not only Mary.
Jesus honoured Mary like you would honour your own mother and not by praying to her.
Frosbel told to follow Christ, go and do it.

italo: Do you believe that he who lives and believes in Jesus will never die?

At times i don't understand what they even teach you people in your church. Things that are out of context. Assuming am an unbeliever and i said i don't believe. How will you answer this below:

Who said so? Jesus? Then why did this people die: Mary, Peter and almost all the Pope?

Do you see how you made him a liar? Go ahead and answer the question.

Boomark:
Was the angel praying to God or was he Given prayers to offer? Have you forgotten our High priest and mediator? Doesit mean he has no work again and his angels don't do as he directs them?
The Angel was GIVEN prayers already prepared by the High priest. That is if you know the work of a priest.
The Angels work with Jesus in the temple. He tells them whatto do and they do it.
Do you see that this does not support your church praying toAngels doctrine? Look for another one. These are simple wrong belief people hold unto, thinking they are being guided by the spirit.

If you disagree with this, then tell us where it is wrong and answer the 1st few questions i asked.

italo:
No one who lives and believes in Jesus will die. Do you believe that?
Does our Father neglect the prayers of angels and saints?

No! Our kind Father does not neglect the good request and prayers of Angels and saints.

At least you now know that Angels don't pray for Man.

honeychild: Thanks jare my brother. I just took a lil break from nairaland.....it was becoming too addictive!

You need am....italo and Cath...s will not allow me take a leave.

Godhead

trinitarians need to ask themselves:
what is all fullness?
What is Godhead?

Col 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fullnessof the Godhead bodily.

Note carefully that Godhead is dwelling in Christ. He is not part or in Godhead but it dwells in him. Godhead means God's nature, divine qualities. Research it.

Colossians 1:19-20
New International Version (NIV)
19 For God was pleased to have all
his fullness dwell in him, 20 and
through him to reconcile to himself
all things, whether things on earth
or things in heaven, by making
peace through his blood, shed on
the cross.

For it pleases the Father to have the fullness of His nature(Godhead) in Christ. So that through Christ Godwill reconcile everything back to Himself and no other person.

Romans 1:19-20
King James Version (KJV)
19 Because that which may be
known of God is manifest in them;
for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him
from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by
the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so
that they are without excuse:

This one will help you understand that eternal power and Godhead is something that belongs to the Father and not that He is in it.

Ephesians 1:22-23
New International Version (NIV)
22 And God placed all things under
his feet and appointed him to be
head over everything for the
church, 23 which is his body, the
fullness of him who fills everything
in every way.

It is God that gave Christ the authority he has by putting all things under his feet. But you are mistaken by making him equal to God after seeing the authority he possess. It is God that fills everything He pleases with His fullness.

Don't be disappointed trinitarians, Godhead is not made up 3 persons but God's nature or qualities.

This is how the bible defined/show us what GODHEAD is. I think we now know those spreading church influenced false doctrines.

Any Objection?

Lovethywilbedon: That is on simple truth these Anti-Catholics don't undestand. The MORE I see their INABILITY to NAME a "BETTER CHURCH" the more I become STRONGLY CONVICED that The Catholic Church is THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE CHURCH, founded by Christ.

Leave catholic and join Jehovah's witness or any Pentecostal church.

The advice to follow Christ 1st is the most important. So that wherever you are, you will work in the truth and be able to identify wrong teachings.

woky: mtcheeeeew i no send them.. Ndi ara!

hahaha. Ewo!

Somedays ago, i was attracted to one catholic Latin song. It was sweet. I said to my self, may be this is reason una wan die for there.

Study to show yourself approved. Don't let your church interpret whatever they want for you.

Lenny5000 was right. We have Christians, Muslims, Catholics, etc.

italo: But Jesus never studied the Bible...why do you?

He meant that you should study the book of Isaiah, Daniel, etc as Jesus did and also study the letters from the apostles, they contain the truth revealed by the Holy spirit.

The term "bible" is not that relevant to us but the contents are. I can chose to call the one i use "scroll" and no body will beat me.

Is there any other problem sir? To you also, sister Love.

italo: Which unity do you seek? That we should all become Jehovah's witnesses?

Abi who are you united with?

United in Christ. This unity is all following Christ not Mary. Its all about worshiping God in spirit and in truth as Christ who we are following told us. There should be no trace of things that are or looks like idol.

It is not about Mary going to God through him but We going to God through Christ.

These are a few of the things true worshipers do.

Pygru: The Godhead

God the Father, Son & Holy spirit= Three different personalities, Equal and United as ONE

We still maintain that it is wrong. That is not the meaning of Godhead according to the scripture.

italo: Good to know you like your questions answered. How is it then that you dont answer my questions, hypocrite?

I will answer you. But after you answer the question I first asked.

I can't find find it in the bible and the apostles never used candles to worship God in spirit and in truth.

So why do you use candles during mass/prayers?

honeychild: Christians should not speak carelessly about Mary, that is true. But at the same time, let us not attribute to her more honor than the Bible supports.

1. Jesus honored and obeyed her as his mother.....nothing more. He never asked or encouraged his followers to give her any special attention.
Lk 11: 27, 28: As he said this, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him 'Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts that you sucked.'
BUT HE SAID BLESSED RATHER ARE THOSE WHO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD AND
KEEP IT.

Mk 3:31-35: And his mother and his brothers came; and standing outside they sent to him
and called him. And they said to him 'Your mother and your brothers are outside
asking for you.' And he replied: 'who are my mother and my brothers?' And looking
around on those who sat around him he said: here are my mother and my brothers.

The point I am trying to make here is that Jesus never indicated that any special honor or veneration should be given to his mother.

2. After Jesus death no record in the entire Bible that any of his followers accorded Mary any special prominence or position in the early church.

Please let us stick to what was revealed in the Bible. Do not make the word of God invalid because of human reasoning and traditions. Do not be like the Pharisees of Jesus day:

Mk 7: 7, 8: In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.
You leave the commandment of God and hold fast the tradition of men.
.......You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order
to keep your traditions.

Longest time. Where have you been?

I enjoyed this exposition of yours.

@italo

Did you just see that bolded part? Continue waiting for the church to interpret the scriptures for you. Don't read. That is why you argue/discuss blindly.

honeychild: Because he does not start his prayer with 'Hail my bed......!'

italo: Amen! We believe that.

No one who lives and believes in Jesus will die. Do you believe that?

Does our Father neglect the prayers of angels and saints?

Yes on the last day and through eternity.

But Mary died. Why did she die in the 1st place. Even most of your pope are dead.

Angels pray and make request to God for their own mission not for man.

italo: There is no place where we are asked NOT to pray to heavenly Saints.

Rev 8:3 Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne. 4 The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of God’s people, went up before God from the angel’s hand.

Why is our prayer passing through the Angel's hand?

We know that. We also know that the prayer of the Saints are more effective than that of we who are still living in sin.

Was the angel praying to God or was he Given prayers to offer? Have you forgotten our High priest and mediator? Does it mean he has no work again and his angels don't do as he directs them?

The Angel was GIVEN prayers already prepared by the High priest. That is if you know the work of a priest.

The Angels work with Jesus in the temple. He tells them what to do and they do it.

Do you see that this does not support your church praying to Angels doctrine? Look for another one. These are simple wrong belief people hold unto, thinking they are being guided by the spirit.

If you disagree with this, then tell us where it is wrong and answer the 1st few questions i asked.

Anyigala: After TWO THOUSANDS YEARS of study and guided by the Holy Spirit, the Church has come to a definte conclusion that she knows what true worship is and that is what we precisely do everyday in mass.

The Holy spirit leads people to worship God in spirit and in truth. The church needs to study again. This time they should study the bible not the bulletin.

italo: We have studied all these things and have come to realize that the Catholic way of worship is the way God wants to be worshpped.

What should have realized after your study is that Jesus way is the way God wants to be worshipped. Those who follow Jesus way are Christians. Those who follow the catholic way are what i don't know.

They enjoy bowing to dead human meat. This is the catholic way.

italo: So it is okay for you to pray for me but it is wrong for Mary, the mother of Jesus to pray for me?

God answers the prayer of MAN. Not angels, spirits or the dead.

Jesus is the mediator between GOD and MAN. Once the prayer is from Man, our Father pays special attention to it.

Lovethywilbedon: SO with this you agree that ANTICATHOLIC PENTICOSTAL PROTESTANTS ARE NOT ONLY IDOL WORSHIPPERS BUT ALSO BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRITES.

Are you talking about those in this forum or the people in that church you saw? Are these people aware you are calling them anti-catholics? So it wount be as if you lying against them.

I have given you answers for all Christians which is: anyone who twist the word just to suit him/her is a hypocrite.

If you desire specific answers then you have to tell me what the person did so i wount summarize the person in error.

BukkyDan: Peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you- Lovethywilbedon,

Did you actually get the message in my post?
What makes you think I'm a not being sincere?

Dearie, as you said I came to separate 'a fight', well let it be so.
I don't know if you've been bashed by your fellow christians on your faith, but my point is;

"we should stop this arguement about who is the true follower of Christ"
we are all following CHRIST, thats why we call ourselves CHRISTIANS.
So, I being a catholic or a pentecostal should not matter now. What should matter is that 'UNITY' in Christ.

Just imagine how Jesus Christ would feel, if He should come now, and discovers the CHURCH is busy fighting on Nairaland; when they should be winning souls and preparing for His return.

As far as Bukky is concerned, she is for peace .

God bless you

Ms Bukky Daniel.

I understand you are for peace but not everyone that call Jesus Lord Lord are his followers. Some said they cast out demons in his name but he called them, "worker of iniquity." what is the difference between these people and those who are not for Christ? And i don't think he send them to purgatory.

This same unity you seek is what we seek. We can't be losing those we think we have to the wrong teachings and practices.

My dagger is ever ready to cut out any ear that will not hear.

Peace.

italo: You have been noticed. Thank you.

Please sir, i would like you to notice the question and answer it if you can. Thank you.

italo: That's very 'smart' of you.

It was just what happened. I believe we were both there when it happened.

Praise the Proud Richie for the good work he is doing here. He need it more for his head to sw....

Richieboyn: Does this make sense? I mean in relation to what he asked you. Come on man, make a point if you want to and stop typing aimlessly.

The question was not meant for me.

I would like to know the importance/work of the candle during mass. Do you use it to just see in the night or was it an adopted pagan practice?