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striktlymi: SENTIMENTS!!!

Hebrews 5;6...
6 And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever ,
in the order of Melchizedek.”

2 Timothy 1:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

where you there at the beginning of the world to received your own grace?

You call the revelation of Christ through the Holy spirit sentiment?

I have always known that Catholics are not Christians(Christ followers). They have their own reports.

striktlymi: Now Boomark, calm down and let's reason this together...

Sacred scriptures was explicit on the existence of Christ before Abraham and indeed before the world began...

John 8:58
King James Version (KJV)[/b]
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.


2 Timothy 1:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It takes a proper understanding of Sacred scriptures to get it all together. Your claim that Christ never existed before he was born is quite incorrect.

Prophesying that a child will be born to us who will be called all those names is just another way of telling us that some time in the future, God is going to come to the Earth and take human form just as it is written in Sacred scriptures:

John 1:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.[/i]

Indeed the word becoming flesh is a future event from the time of Isaiah, but this does not in any way imply that the word has not been in existence. Further reference of sacred scriptures to this fact include:

John 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.


John 17:5-6
King James Version (KJV)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with [b]the glory which I had with thee before the world was.[/i]

Thank you!

This is your quote. You are acting out that thing i said that have taking over catholics...DELUSION.

From the bolded:
I then said, if(assuming) Isaiah during his time was given a prophecy which states, "THE WORD SHALL BECOME FLESH."

Like you said, this is a future event from the time of Isaiah. DOES IT MEAN THE WORD IS FLESH IN HEAVEN AT THE TIME OF THE PROPHECY? NO!

The child SHALL BE CALLED Eternal father. DOES IT MEAN THE CHILD IS CALLED ETERNAL FATHER IN HEAVEN AT THE TIME OF THE PROPHECY? NO!

This is simple english but delusion will make anyone fail it woefully.
Stop digressing. I never said Jesus did not pre-exist. Our focus is on what the child SHALL become and not what the child IS in heaven.

italo: Why dont you simply show us where the Bible said that "God's word is the Bible?"

I will do that only when you show me where it is written on Francis that he is the Pope.

Please use the "book of the word of God" for me instead of "bible."

striktlymi: Now Boomark, calm down and let's reason this together...

Sacred scriptures was explicit on the existence of Christ before Abraham and indeed before the world began...

John 8:58
King James Version (KJV)
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.


2 Timothy 1:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It takes a proper understanding of Sacred scriptures to get it all together. Your claim that Christ never existed before he was born is quite incorrect.

Prophesying that a child will be born to us who will be called all those names is just another way of telling us that some time in the future, God is going to come to the Earth and take human form just as it is written in Sacred scriptures:

John 1:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Indeed the word becoming flesh is a future event from the time of Isaiah, but this does not in any way imply that the word has not been in existence. Further reference of sacred scriptures to this fact include:

John 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.


John 17:5-6
King James Version (KJV)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Thank you!

I never said Jesus never existed before dwelling among us. I was trying to show you that the prophecy was all about the child and what he shall become in the future. It was not about the present state of Jesus in heaven as at the time the prophecy was made.

Let me follow it from you own line.

You said,

"Indeed the word becoming flesh is a future event from the time of Isaiah, but this does not in any way imply that the word has not been in existence."

Good. If Isaiah had said, "the Word shall become flesh," it is still a future event about what the Word shall become in the future.

The same applies to Isaiah 9:6 which says "the child shall be called Eternal father..." it is still a prophesy about the future of the child.

Missonas: Well i knw u nt interestd in anythg othr dan making us luk bad.very judgemental u!i dint answr ur Q cos i thought wif all ur show of christian knowledge u wud knw dat itz nat by dem pictures,images ,statues,candles etc we christians av succeeded in creating barriers by coming up with new churches everyday.only God knws and sees all!watz important is d heart of true worship.4rm ur heart 2 God's ears.

Now you know and don't want to say that the pictures are not the same, don't go about telling people, "this is Christ, that is Christ."

i never judged you. I only asked a question. My questions cannot not persecute those in the truth because the spirit of truth will make speak up and show me the truth and i will learn from it.

Not every worship is true. True worshipers worship God in spirit and in truth. Never think i know it all abeg.

Are you a missionary abi rev sister?

Missonas: ThankGOD u saw d post i talkd abt living a christlike life which came b4 dis.answer mine too.ur church pls?

living a christlike life has nothing to do with candle light. You said it serves as light of God's children and i said i can easily quench or blow it out and you will have no light again.

The light of God's children cannot be quenched by mere breeze. May be you just manage to give me that answer and was bombarded. sorry, my friend. I was just using the questions to make you see the truth.

Am part of the church set up by Christ. He did not call it any name. You can call me a Christian

dokie: yes i have. it is the church which is headed by christ and inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is the same church that brought the bible that you have in your hands. i am confident that if the church brought forth the bible which is the word of God, the same church cannot bring forth that which is against the word of God.

If the Holy Spirit so carefully guided the Church and kept them from error when selecting the 27 books of the new testament out of the many books being circulated in christendom at that time, i have no doubt whatsoever in my mind that the Holy Spirit was well able to point out all errors that they believed at that time. If the Holy Spirit did not point it out to them, then they were not errors.

it might interest you to know that all these practices of the catholic church which you now call pagan were already being practiced way before the bible came to be.

In consistency with the way God works, he never does anything great with men if he has not first purged them of their errors and sin. repentance and purification are sin qua nons and prerequisites for God to use a people.

Dont get all emotional about this. think along these lines and be truthful to yourself.

Let me ask you, if you had the power to cause your child to carry out an abstract assignment correctly, and this child of yours is doing a whole lot of things that are wrong and is leading to his destruction, and you love the child, which would you first do? correct those grave errors or get him to do the fresh assignment you have for him and then dump him afterwards?

I said God's word is the sole authority but you said you have another source which is the church. Are we not the church(me, frosbel, ijawkid, Goshen, italo, etc)

So tell us, what authority does the church have in addition to God's word?

mumumugu: there is a difrence between physical and spiritual

So Mary is now dead physically and no one knows if she has been resurrected or still in the grave?

But Jesus is alive and we know that. Catholics! Go to Jesus cos he is alive and mediates for you. You all are unsure of Mary.

You are missing something that made everything you believe in wrong. Follow what Isaiah said and not the way you or the church want to say it.

Isaiah 9:6
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For unto us a child is born, unto us ason is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

This is talking an unborn child who will be given birth to in the future and not someone already existing as a father. The government SHALL be upon his shoulder. The unborn child SHALL BE CALLED Eternal father is not the same thing as the unborn child IS CALLED Eternal Father.

This where you get is wrong. Jesus was not a child in heaven who is called Eternal father. All these will take place in the future.

The prophecy never mentioned the name of someone who is already existing. So everything corresponds with something that will happen in the future.

"SHALL" is FUTURE, "IS" is PRESENT as of the time prophesy was given.

Do you get it now?

ijawkid: @babby and alexleo.....I want to also ask you::::

WHAT DID LAZARUZ DO TO DESERVE going to spend life at the bossom of abraham??.......was it because lazarus was poor??...is poverty a requirement for gaining eternal life??.......

Make ona answer me ooo.....

@frosbel
let us focus on teaching, questions and answer. Let forget about who is wicked and who is not.

@Bobby

I think ijawkid asked a good question here. If the story is real, what is the moral lesson behind it?

Was Jesus trying to tell us that every rich man(including the rich pastors) will go to hell while the poor ones go to Abraham's bosom?

Alexleo i hope you can comment.

alexleo: YOU DONT NEED TO LEARN FROM SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT KNOW AND DOES NOT WANT TO KNOW. VERY UNREASONABLE OF YOU TO DO SUCH A THING. SO WHY WAITING TO LEARN FROM ME?

The unreasonable me thought there would be a change.

striktlymi: and how do you want to erase the fact that Christ was referred to as the Eternal Father?

That is never a problem. Isaiah said, he WOULD be called Eternal father. Before the prophecy, the children of israelite know that our heavenly Father IS their Father.

Jesus said, "...I and the CHILDREN which You have given me."
his children are Christian, his followers. They are the ones Eternal life has been prepared for. Ie they WOULD be given Eternal life. This does not mean they started existing from eternity.

That you have a father now does not mean you can't be a father tomorrow or even now.

father, grand-father, great grand-father, etc if all are alive at the same time, are all fathers. And their children children children are all their children.

dokie: i teach people who want to learn, and not people who want to look for an opportunity to display the shallow knowlege they obtained from their pastors, who are probably break-aways from other break away pastors.

maybe you are different though so i might be willing to explain further, however,you must have shown me where it is written in the bible that the bible is the only source of christian teaching? if you can give me a simple quotation or an answer to thus, we discuss further.

it is not written in the bible that the bible is the sole authority. But every Christian should know that the "Word Of God" is sole authority that have. Do you have other sources you get authority from?

ijawkid: U don't partake in endless discussions??.......

Are you bold enough to even engage in any meaningful discussion??....

If you can give a retort to boomark.......

Pastor Yoliyoli GRUmahaji is on the run!

At least those who where following him on trinity and Godhead have seen how they have been deceived.

Pygru: why do you guys want to chase me away from this section
I'm acting out a script
False Teachers like Frosbel, Ijawkid, Truthislight, etc must be exiled.
This section needs a revolution and I will gladly spearhead it.

Is this your reply to what i taught you about GODHEAD?

Are you acting the script satan told you to act?

The truth we share has made us formidable. I know a lot of questions and teachings false teachers fail to reply us.

ijawkid: You and i definitly know you're one we all know .....hiding behind this I.D shows you are a child that can't face me boldly .....come out from that shell and let's discuss...I know many times you've been debunked and all you could do was go create an I.D to run around the place like a rat.......leave the pygru I.D and show your real self on that thread you created.....

Don't worry about his ID. False teachers and those that run away from questions will continue changing ID while we still dey.

Am predicting his next ID to be "gruontherun."

Pygru:
Avoiding you
Nay.
I'm bold as a lion and gentle as a lamb
Wise as a serpent and harmless as a Dove
Oya remind me wetin you talk

Ok.
This is wetin i talk.

Boomark: Godhead

trinitarians need to ask themselves:
what is all fullness?
What is Godhead?

Col 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fullnessof the Godhead bodily.

Note carefully that Godhead is dwelling in Christ. He is not part or in Godhead but it dwells in him. Godhead means God's nature, divine qualities. Research it.

Colossians 1:19-20
New International Version (NIV)
19 For God was pleased to have all
his fullness dwell in him, 20 and
through him to reconcile to himself
all things, whether things on earth
or things in heaven, by making
peace through his blood, shed on
the cross.

For it pleases the Father to have the fullness of His nature(Godhead) in Christ. So that through Christ Godwill reconcile everything back to Himself and no other person.

Romans 1:19-20
King James Version (KJV)
19 Because that which may be
known of God is manifest in them;
for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him
from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by
the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so
that they are without excuse:

This one will help you understand that eternal power and Godhead is something that belongs to the Father and not that He is in it.

Ephesians 1:22-23
New International Version (NIV)
22 And God placed all things under
his feet and appointed him to be
head over everything for the
church, 23 which is his body, the
fullness of him who fills everything
in every way.

It is God that gave Christ the authority he has by putting all things under his feet. But you are mistaken by making him equal to God after seeing the authority he possess. It is God that fills everything He pleases with His fullness.

Don't be disappointed trinitarians, Godhead is not made up 3 persons but God's nature or qualities.

This is how the bible defined/show us what GODHEAD is. I think we now know those spreading church influenced false doctrines.

Any Objection?

italo: Christ never had a Bible, the apostles never had a Bible...

Why do you have a Bible?

Who ever encouraged you to have a Bible?

Who even mentioned the word "Bible?"

Haven't i told that i call my own "scrolls" or the "book of the word of God"? Is any rcc father angry about that?

italo: Amen. I believe that we should not add or remove from God's word. But nowhere have I seen the Bible say that "the word of God is the Bible." Can you show me?

Because, instead, I see St. Paul saying we should hold fast to traditions that have been handed to us either by letter or by word of mouth.

Then you have to start reading that book you call bible.

Do you wait for the meat in your soup to tell you that it is in a soup? Will COMMON SENSE not tell you that your meat is in a soup?

When the word of God was written on a stone, Moses and the Israelites knew that this is the word of God. When it was on a wall, the king of Babylon knew it. When it was on a scroll, Jesus knew it. If i see it written in the sky, i will identify it. Use common sense. Know the word and you will identify it wherever you see it. Keep bulletin aside for now.

So since Paul could not write to timothy all the things he once to him by mouth? Does it mean he didn't write it in Ephesians, Hebrew, Corinthians, thessalonians, galatians, etc.

How about the other apostles? Did they not also write anything about this word of mouth tradition? Are they afraid to do so or what? Is it too long to be written down?

Christian tradition is all about following Christ.

My Own questions/request:

Show us things that consist of the word of mouth traditions. You have to also show us who in his right senses should write it down instead of passing it by mouth. I don't want you to suffer too much, if not you should pass it by mouth to me.

italo: Dont forget that The Jesus and The Holy Spirit were the main Actors in that "Action Story."

Mary was filled with Jesus, Elizabeth was filled with The Holy Spirit.

We Catholics will continue to follow the inspiration of Christ and The Holy Spirit, not you and Frosbel.

So did Jesus who you say is the main actor and who we should follow ever tell you to pray to Mary?

alexleo: YOUNG MAN, I HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO THAN TO WASTE MY PRECIOUS TIME ANSWERING YOUR USELESS QUESTIONS. YOU ARE A FALSE TEACHER. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE DISCUSSED HERE THAT YOU LOOKED INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S VIEW AND ALLOW IT TO CHANGE YOUR FALSE STAND BECAUSE OF YOUR PRIDE THAT MAKES YOU FEEL YOU VE READ THE BIBLE FROM GENESIS TO REVELATION. ANY EEDIOT CAN DO THAT TOO AND GIVE THE SAME INTERPRETATION YOU ARE GIVING SO STOP MAKING NOISE ABOUT YOU KNOWING THE BIBLE. I CANT BE CARRIED AWAY BY YOUR FALSE TEACHINGS. NOW YOU ARE HERE TO CONVINCE THE POSTER WHO SAID HE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THE DEAD AND NOT ME, FACE HIM AND CONVINCE HIM. AFTER ALL YOUR EFFORT YOU VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOUR TEACHINGS ARE BASELESS AND UNREASONABLE. THE QUESTIONS HE ASKED YOU COULDNT PROVIDE CONVINCING ANSWERS TO HIM THAT MEANS YOU ARE FAILING. KEEP TRYING UNTIL YOU CONVINCE HIM(IF YOU CAN), NOT ME.

YOU VE NOT TOLD ME WHERE JESUS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE THAT THE STORY OF LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN IS A PARABLE AND YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU WHERE ABRAHAM WAS AND THE NAME OF THE RICH MAN. SEE WHAT YOUR FALSE TEACHING IS DOING TO YOUR REASONING?

I have always known you as someone that Don't know, Does not want to know and Doesn't know.

You are still influenced by some of you stiff olden days pastors who are strict and thinks they are all on the right path.

I was waiting to learn from you but you could not answer the question. A way of running away from the question. I have seen that before.

The bible did not say the story of Lazarus was a parable or real. How then do we know? Buy reasoning and answering questions of what happened in the story.

striktlymi: Morning Boomark,

The arguments you guys have put forth is quite weak!

Bro am not the one that said what was written in john.

He said his Father is our Father, his God is our God. I don't know how else you want to put it so that that person he called his Father will no longer be our Father.

Where do you want to get our own Father from if it is not the same Father? How do you want to split that same person into two Fathers? Please tell us.

Missonas: Really??i take it u'v neva lit a candle b4.b'day and occultic candles?add scenting candles 2dat 2.lol.smells nyc 2.a candle is a candle itz how and wat itz being used 4 dat matas.2 answr ur q we use d candles wen prayin and during mass mostly bt dat dnt mean we must light a candle b4 we pray.wat then is d significance u may say? 2serve as light of God's children. apart 4rm candles we use holy water,olive oil etc.they r all blessed same way ur pastor blesses ur car,ur pen b4 exam,ur new hses and u feel comfortable aftr dat. it wont make sense 2u brov im onlY telling u cos u askd and u be tawking lyk we dnt undrstnd wat we do.evrythg we do is sacred.wot church do u worship?

Candle a candle that will be quenched be the light of God's children? Can salt which will loose its taste be the salt of the world? Don't you people learn from Christ? You are the light of the world by your righteousness not with candle.

Ephesians 5:8-9
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth),

Is there anything here that suggest candle as the light of God's children? You people are far from serving God in spirit and in truth.

Did any protestant tell you that his car head lamp is the light of God's children? Show me the person make i finish am too.

I am a Christian who worship God.

Missonas: Lmao @or guide me right.u nt here 2listen and learn,u here 2criticise ur signature says it all.and if our answers our nt truthful enough then u let it be as a good christian dat u tryin 2portray u are carry ur sandals and dust

My dear am not interested in all these things you wrote above. And i have not forgotten the question i asked you. I still get sense.

Unless you now understand that you are deceiving yourself. See how you are running away from these simple questions that will set you free. Know the truth and it will set you free.

Boomark:
Are all the beautiful pictures of the one you call Jesus the same person? Howcan he be more beautiful that he is represented? Are they not his pictures?

I like the way you avoided this question, knowing that you might be caught up in the web of lies.

striktlymi: If this makes you feel good about yourself man, then go ahead and enjoy!

You win!


#I no get power for push me, I push you talk!

Good morning Str

I will be happier to win you over to the truth and not the type of winning that will make my head big and swollen.

Were you are now will not give you the confidence to answer questions to things that are WRITTEN and even things said by Christ, eg jn 20:17.

Am not pushing for anything, just think about all that happened.

frosbel: You know slandering is a work of the flesh, are you walking in the flesh or the spirit ?

The spirit-led pygru is now avoiding me and the truth about GODHEAD we posted for him.

I love the spirit of truth-Holyspirit. Who can challeng what He inspired? The truth will always prevail.

justsmile: Lol.......muskeeto,is that u?!!! So no 'insecticide' on NL has been able to strike u?! U must be one 'die hard' mosquito! Lol
Been a while.....wassap?!!!
Don't mind guitar o, wonder where he dug out that my post!

Don't worry! When i finish my "thermo-nuclear intercontinental ballistic insecticide," he will believe me.

italo: All these things you are doing, Jesus never did. Yet you blame others for doing things that Jesus never did. That is hypocrisy.

we will continue to feed you people like babies.

Here is the food:
Christ never worshiped idol and we were told never to do so. Christ never married but we were encouraged to marry.

So chose the good and leave the bad.

italo: Are you saying the Bible never said "the Bible is the sole authority for Christians?"

Do not add, do not remove from the word of God in the bible means that you've got all you need. Common sense will now tell that it contains the sole authority you need to work with.

Are there other authorities you believe in which is not in the word of God?

ijawkid: .......I just can't bear with this thrash the catholics are supporting.......its glaringly against all of what morality stands for.....

How can people who claim to be Christ's followers support the mummifying of dead body's..........

Are you talking to woky?

Don't you know that all he knows is how to go to moni massi? He can't quote from the bible or bulletin.

frosbel: I beg to differ, I say prayerfully seek God's face on this matter, there are many dangerous churches out there, you know the ones I mean, the daughters of their Mother ( your guess ) :

That's why i also added that following Christ is the most important thing. And i also noticed, she felt since she is in church that she is following Christ.

@lovethy... and Catholics

See what it means to follow Christ.

After accepting him then you have to accept and do what he commanded us to do. Also accept and do what he commanded us to do through the apostles.

Stop following the ACTION STORIES of what happened between Mary and Elizabeth. Action stories of what the Jew thought with their evil mind that Christ said and sought to kill him. Following "action stories" is not the same as following Christ.

dokie: i mentioned that they were the foundations. foundations are built upon. but i wouldnt go beyond that since you are as depraved of common sense like frosbel is, or better still, your ability to apply common reasoning is under the devil's bondage.

i cannot defend the catholic church. the church through its works should be able to defend itself. so dont expect me to start explaining anything to you or answering you. when i identify someone who wants to understand catholic teachings, i can go ahead to explain, even if the person ends up not agreeing with me, i won't consider it a waste of time. but once i identify its your type, who only wants to run down, i cant go further, for there are signs of the absence of the Holy Spirit in your life, and worse still is that you puffed up with pride and as such detestable to God for you are unteachable. if not tell me how you can be standing on a foundation and yet condemn the same foundation. you and your likes condemn trinitarians, and call them those under the deceit of the catholic church, yet you claim that your foundation is the bible which is a product of the same carholic church which you condemn and yet you dont think you are under any form of deceit. just explain this to a moslem or an atheist and i bet he will tell you you lack common sense
KID, IF YOU BELIEVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS PAGAN, DROP YOUR BIBLE, IF YOU DONT YOU ARE JUST AS PAGAN AS ALL CATHOLICS ARE.

So burying people(elisha) is now the foundation for keeping relics. I wanted to see what you have to say. All i see is that the foundation is wobbling and you can't go further. What an excuse!

If what you have is the truth inspired by the Holy spirit, you should be as confident and bold as Peter who is filled by the Holy spirit to teach us truthfully.

You want to use the foundation of mud house to build skyscraper. Match what was practiced with what you practice.