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FOLYKAZE:
He failed at proving God's existence, but consequences of his attempt successfully proved the existence of gods. What are you trying to say?

What you've written above is not what I said! More accurate would be: He failed at proving God's existence, but the consequence of his attempt showed how humans become the human version of gods.

His ontological arguments for God's existence, which is what he set out to prove, failed to prove the existence of God, but subsequent understanding of his work helped humans grow and develop.

FOLYKAZE:
I seem not to understand your point here. The question is simple really. Is the 'I', also called Buda a product of body or mind?

buda ia a product of birth, as in coming into being, or rather, of sex between mummy and daddy, as you have recently experienced bringing a being into existence.

buda exists as body and mind in time and space and will stop existing when buda's time is up at which time buda would be said six feet under and occupy time and space no more, except when buda occupies the time and space of others by which buda shall attain 'life' until no one breathes life into buda and buda is spoken of no more.

If you all mention buda for a thousand or so years, it shall be said that buda lives eternally in your minds.

Do note that it is not a simple question, as you claim, so its answer can not be simple as you expect. You must really really use your mind to comprehend the question and the answers it receives.

FOLYKAZE:
Ok... You've made the claim.. Can you please prove space and time really exist?

You do know you are asking me to prove the obvious, right? Please follow the instructions in the experiment below.

Find a concrete wall that has been standing for at least ten minutes and stand ten steps from it. (You might first want to verify the wall has stood for ten minutes by standing in front of wall and allowing a suitable timepiece to measure out ten minutes). Now, very fast with your head pointed to the wall, run towards it without stopping. As in take at, least 12 running steps towards wall.

Pease describe the state of your head when it tries to occupy the space and time that the wall occupies.

FOLYKAZE:
You subjectively thought, without evidence, that the man in the mirror is mimicking you. How did you possibly know the man in the mirror has no thought? How do you know you ain't the one mimicking the man in the mirror? How can you prove you control it?

Easy. When I raise my hand, the hand of the image in the mirror is raised, and when I sit down it sits. And when I walk away from the mirror, the image disappears.

Damn, we learn this at two years old when we try to see our own image in a mirror while standing behind the mirror. Try it and tell me the thoughts of the image you see.

FOLYKAZE:
The fun part aside, Michael Jackson said;
I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make a change..

Read that lyrics with your 'thinking cap on'...who is the man in the mirror...?

I'm thinking. I'm really thinking hard, but first I'll narrate an experience.

One day, I stood in front of a mirror and saw myself for the first time and was shocked. It was in a full length mirror which had been in bedroom which I'd groomed myself in front of many times, but this one day, I saw past the image in the mirror and sat their staring until starvation made me budge.

Is the answer to your question Michael Jackson? I would not be surprised if the image Michael Jackson saw when he stood in front of a mirror was that of Michael Jackson, especially if he saw with his mind, which it's safe to pressume since it tends to open one's consciousness to an awareness of the following a la Descartes:

"If you want to make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make that
(Take a look at yourself and then make that)
Change!"

FOLYKAZE:
Simply tell us how you understand the word 'soul' or oneself. Thanks

Can't say I can explain the word "soul" since its not a word I believe I use, though please do point me to where you've seen me use it so I can respond in context. "Oneself", is very like me, however, as in a word I'd use, though the shorter "one", as in, 'one might say that', to denote individuality as opposed to being part of a herd.

"Oneself" is like saying "I" as opposed to "us", "we" or "ourselves".

VerifiedStalin:
I'm not trying to impose my "opinion" on you.

I'm very delighted to know you aren't trying to impose your "opinion" on me and I have duly noted your opinion while retaining mine.

Any suggestions what to watch next? Must be one that's ended please as I don't wait for "next week episodes".

VerifiedStalin:
SHE contributes nothing to the show.

'They' contribute nothing to the show for you, and obviously contribute a lot to the show for me.

See this very intelligent post for an explanation of the difference in our opinions.

TheSourcerer:
You definitely are a kind of God I will wanna waste my life worship sure.

He sarcastically says with no real idea of the meaning of worship nor God except the false ideology he learned and rightly rebels against.

VerifiedStalin:
I just don't like that robot. I hope they will kill her off in later episodes. Killing her off will return the show back to normalcy.

Who watches a show that is meant to provoke and challenge for normalcy?

Please let me know if I miss she dies.

VerifiedStalin:
Watch or not to watch, it's up to you. But please don't try to justify your questionable taste by ridiculing a known system that have worked for many people.

I love all you wrote there.

Now extend it to a personal opinion after watching and you might guess what I am resisting writing in response.

VerifiedStalin:
Good for you!

I was merely trying to tell you others share similar opinions. You're in the minority.

I don't agree I'm in the minority, but even if I were in the minority, that's ok by me since I like using my very independent mind instead of being in a herd and be told what opinions I should have by others. You'd find lots of similar independent minded people on here which is why some hate what some love.

Twitter was not an election on Taylor, and the fact that 'they' are spoken about a lot shows 'they' are integral to the story and must be contributing to the appeal of the show or they'd have canned it or 'them' by now or its ratings would have slipped significantly, but ratings went north and not south on Taylor's introduction whom I wont be surprised to find is the last person standing in the end.

It's my opinion, Stalin, just as your's is your's.

Thank you Father for the victory over the demon of light.

Demons of light become dead Nobodies.

VerifiedStalin:
It's not my opinion alone. Fans have been complaining about Taylor since she showed up, and want her gone asap. Go to twitter, no one likes her or them or whatever pronoun non binary are called.

You are hopefully aware that I watched Billions with my own eyes and formed my own opinion with my own mind and thankfully popular opinion on twitter does not dictate what I like or not like.

VerifiedStalin:
That's what made it exciting. The chaos, the unpredictability. But the non binary robot came and sucked out all the excitement.

You'd hopefully accept that that is your own opinion since Taylor did the opposite for me.

Buho:
brings nothing to the table? Common!!! She's got the next best brain, after Axelrod.

I actually think she has a better brain than Axe who's brain is consumed by revenge, and I'd be surprised if he does not self-destruct in the end.

VerifiedStalin:
That non binary character ruined Billions. Very robotic and brings nothing to the table, excitement wise.

Actually, the "non binary character" made it worth watching for me. Without "them" and "their" rational outlook, the irrational Axe and Chuck would have made Billions a lesson in how not to behave.

OLAADEGBU:
You support all the Marxist communist policies being espoused by the present Democrat Party something a God fearing person will not do.

It is you who sees Marxist communist policies. Its the ideology behind your McCarthyism!

OLAADEGBU:
I am shocked at what has been said about him here.

We need to educate you on how even MLK was accused of being a communist. Its what ignorant sorts like you do, witch hunt everyone who disagrees with you.

Thankfully, you can't bring back McCarthyism!

TheSourcerer:
1) Nobody has prove there's a god or diety for that matter, ask yourself these questions if the God's were real , where were they when Africa was been dessimated and shrines robbed , even wives raped in front of these priests ,
Ask yourself if juju were real trust me Nigeria would win world cup times and over again as heavy bussiness tycoon would love to buy that 'juju ' Nigerians use

I agree that nobody might have proved the existence of the sort of god that you describe here, but I must perhaps make you aware that the god that you describe is not the god of most people, nor are your expectations of God everyone's expectation of God. It sure is not the God as described in the Bible.

The god you describe is expected to defy logic and reason, but you will find that some mention a God that created the entire universe which itself is based on logic and reason which its creator, if it had one, must have heavily applied..

TheSourcerer:
2) No body knows tomorrow , not your pastors , not your immams heck not even 'GOD' could predict the 'evilness of man's heart that he regretted creating man'
The holy books the are the best selling books in history , lol people are still gonna buy bibles today ,point is these books literally have chapters and verses like any normal book , as it should be seen as, just a book , heck you guys can't even agree on the skin colour of 'our Messiah' that you all claim to have 'personal Experience ' with , each every Theist

Actually, I know tomorrow! Or at least I know certain aspects of tomorrow. I know for instance that if I do not go to the supermarket today I would have no food in the house tomorrow, and I don't need a pastor, imam or a god to tell me that. I am so sorry that you don't have my foresight.

As for Scripture being like normal books, I take it those "normal books" are selling as well as Scripture, and it is those "normal books" that you spend your time and effort ridiculing so much instead of Scripture, right?

I think you think the book is the religion, and you judge the book and its gods from what people say and will not accept the meaning of it that you have been given as you rightly shouldn't. It is also obvious however that you have not read the book and understood it yourself which is why I'd call you a "pulpit atheist", as in one who rejects what some preach from the pulpit.

You seem to go further. It's like you have assumed the old juju gods are the God of the Bible, as if your former preacher used to be a witchdoctor who just stuck his old god on the new god and preached it to you. Despite the actual physical book existing before you you literally deny its worth as a book instead of acknowledging your own lack of understanding of its content!

But your biggest and greatest error is in thinking books are normal because of the chapters in them. If you had bothered with the words within the chapters of books you'd probably arrive at a different conclusion.

kkins25:
But It does back fire though as i have observed.

Exactly. And it backfires because it lacks foundation, just as some converted to theism had no foundation for theism and abandoned it or practise it without getting the promised results.

An alternative would be to help people develop their senses so they can use them to investigate for themselves, and not just religionise people into believing what they are told, which is what we accuse Sourcerer of doing here, of religionising people into atheism because he can't learn from Jesus, funny enough.

FOLYKAZE:
3. We exist within existence, our existence changes nothing, but what is existence and the nature of existence?

It is not true that our existence changes nothing! You can easily confirm this by letting us know how much has changed by the new existence you recently brought into the world which has changed your entire being.

FOLYKAZE:
4. The physical world appears solid, but physics indicates its all empty space, nothing is really out there, therefore what is reality?

Certain aspects of the physical world not only appear solid, as in, is physical, but it is also solid, which is why we call its study physics. But that's not the whole world. When one uses the tools of physics to study the gaseous aspect of the world for instance, one indeed finds a space that is empty, but if it were really empty you'd find it difficult to breath.

The reality you seem to be talking about is the Perception of Reality, as in what people say reality is, and what they do not see does not exist. I say blindness or not looking in the right direction, are viable explanations for their error because reality is that which is real, whether there is a person to observe it or not.

Here is somewhere to begin your research so you can come educate the rest of us please.

https://keithpp./2012/01/04/mysteries-of-aleph/

FOLYKAZE:
He actually was successful helping human understand that knowing oneself makes one a God.

That wasn't what he set out to do, nor is that what he wrote or he'd have been vilified by his audience. His ontological arguments were in fact trying to prove God's existence, which he failed at, but the consequence of his conclussion as understood today does accomplish what you state above but with a small 'g' god.

FOLYKAZE:
I am me. Yes we know buda is buda. We are actually talking on the nature of 'buda', if he is independent consciousness or electro-chemical function of the brain.

Trust me when I say, buda is buda, because anything else is a description of a part of buda and not buda.

I'll explain. buda is independent, as in, buda is an entity in itself and no other person. buda is obviously conscious or buda will not be aware to independently respond to you. buda is electro-chemical function of the whole being, and I'm talking as a person with dodgy plumbing due to electro-chemical malfunction. And as to buda's nature, that, thankfully you can tell for yourself and don't need me lying about it because it really is expressed in 1000s of words on NL. All of these are however part of buda and not the whole of buda, because despite Descartes, no one completely knows buda, not even buda who has spent every single minute of every hour of every day of every week of every month of every year with buda. Just today I'm finding something new out about buda!

FOLYKAZE:
Does space and time really exist?

Of course space and time exists. If I sit in a space that you at the same time occupy I will be sitting on top of your head because of space and time. And it would have definitely taken time for me to fill this space with words and more time for these words to be in a proximate space to you. Space and time is a permanent nuisance in fact. Without it, I'd be thinking the words in my head and they'd instantly be comprehended in your head but space and bloody time seems to be in the way of our mind's melding.

FOLYKAZE:
How did you know the man in the mirror is not thinking?

Well, the image in the mirror - for it is not a "man" just as a photograph of a woman is not the woman - is like a puppet of me. When I raise my arms its arms are raised up, and when I sit down it sits. But I find that when I eat my dinner in front of the mirror there is still only one plate and not two, so I'm assuming my thoughts stay in my head especially since the image is just an image of me who does the thinking including deciding what image is in the mirror.

Seriously! Soon you'd be asking if my mirror image goes to work for our daily bread while I remain asleep in bed! Lol!

FOLYKAZE:
While doing that, can you please explain the nature of buda. It is important. In doing such, you can help us understand your viewpoint on consciousness, also called Ori.

I can't explain the nature of buda, to be honest because buda is a combination of so many different aspects that to talk any one one is to diminish others. I'd only be describing the image I see in a mirror, as in that which I am conscious of, and who's to say that my eyes work that well or that I am conscious to all that buda is?

You might understand what I mean if I were to attempt to say what the nature of Folykaze is. Everything I say would seem like a part of Folykaze to you, assuming I'm right that is, but everything I say would not be Folykaze because I would not be including any knowledge of Folykaze's thoughts or processes. Now imagine the parts of the elephant I would be describing if I tried to describe the nature of buda that I've experienced all my life. You'd think I should know buda so well considering all the time I've spent with buda, but do I really know all of the constantly evolving in space and time buda not to talk of know the words to describe buda to someone else?

Know thyself? Keep learning about myself, more like.

shadeyinka:
I see this Good News more like
1. being given an admission for my desired course in the University even though I do not meet the minimum qualification
2. being set free from prison even though I was guilty as charged for a serious crime
3. being given a brand new kidney by a stranger when I have given up all hope.

Compare it with mine and tell what you think

I see this Good News more like
1. being given an admission for my desired course in the University because I read and understood "In the beginning was the Word" and know what I must do with it is study hard and pass exams.

2. Not committing crime because the Good News says not to from its very beginning.

3. Not giving up hope if I need a kidney because I would not be foresaken even if I died.

The Good News makes sense if understood, I think.

BigBashiru:
They are still kidnapping and using the proceeds to take girls out lol

And blaming our lack of progress on everyone and anything but ourselves.

Funny how Nigerians are asking when Nigeria will send a probe to Mars instead of when will we Nigerians send a probe to Mars. I guess we imagine some external Nigeria will send a probe to Mars on the behalf of us Nigerians.

For the right question the answer is, when we Nigerians get our brains out of our asses we Nigerians will send a probe to Mars and beyond. Until then, perhaps we should think of making drones or something much less complicated like get along with one another.

shadeyinka:
I think there are many possibilities to arriving at Christ.
1. Some first Believe and develop faith in Christ without bothering about deeper scriptural knowledge and understanding
2. Some believe first and then Scrutinize by knowledge the basis of their Faith
3. Some arrive at Christ first from an intellectual point of view before developing their Faith in Christ
4. Some arrive at Christ because their comfort zone was disturbed and they found solution and succor by Christ through it
5. Some came to Christ because they were chasing something else and they stumbled accidentally into Faith

At the end of the day, it isn't the means to Christ that matters as much as the conclusion: A Solid Faith in Christ!

Some of what you describe are solid faith in Christ while some are not so solid I would have thought, but I agree, for it is as written, "it is the lame who walk and the blind who see and the deaf who hear and the poor in spirit get to hear the Gospel".

I'm glad all is well with you.

TheSourcerer:
I see your point , I believe I cry within for their lack of simple inability to comprehend logic facts and common sense

I hope you believe wrongly because it would be rather odd for you to cry because they lack a simple inability. Lol.

I, myself, cry within for a cure to my own lack of simple inability to comprehend logic facts and common sense, because once I am cured of my simple inabilities, I might truly develop the ability to help others to not lack simple abilities.

shadeyinka:
Very long time my friend!
The Gospel simply as literally means "GOOD NEWS"!

The question then is,: What is this Good News?

The Good News is that GRACE for Forgiveness of Sin and Eternal Life with God has been given to who ever will receive it by faith in the Solution of God.

Whoever received Gods solution has Life but whoever rejects it is Condemned already.

Unfortunately, how can a person receive a gift/solution he is oblivious of?
Hence the job of the Christian is to TELL people everywhere in LOVE of the availability of the Free gift of LIFE in exchange for their Miserable Future as once who was saved because someone somewhere did the same for him.

Long time indeed. I agree that "The Gospel simply literally means "GOOD NEWS", but I can't see why I'd need the fear of a future to convince people that my news is good if it were truly good, nor do I agree that "I am telling people everywhere in love" if one of my telling tools is fear. "O so childishly 12 century", is my response when the Lord of fear is preached to me. Besides, do you really want me to accept your Good News because I'm afraid?

I put it to you that the obligation of Christians, so far as spreading the Good News, is that Christians "let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven". Basically, if I give them good fruits they'd more likely eat and know how fruity fruits are than if I just tell them to have faith and believe that fruits are fruity.

The good deeds, fruits as otherwise known, are the evidence the News is Good, at least according to the Gospel, and the way to effectively preach it is to be walking it too.

tintingz:
I was assuming if the myths in the book which obviously is an empirical evidence to the people in the stories were to be done today. Imagine how very convincing I would be that there is a supernatural existence.

But those so called myths in the book were most definitely not "obviously empirical evidence to the people in the stories", since nothing can be obvious to the people in the story who themselves would be mythical, or at least some of what's written about them must be mythical, like Zeus and Aphrodite and GoT, for instance.

But lets say the sea actual splits before me, or the sun stands still or I and everyone see a chariot come down from the sky, I'm sure we'd investigate before coming to conclussion especially since our diverse human natures would make us all describe what we saw differently. I mean, I for one would wonder if my drink had been spiked so I lost track of time and dreamed an aeroplane was a chariot, while some will likely fall to the ground and shout "miracle", or "angels", or "aliens".

Claiming "supernatural existence" would indicate how shallow I reason, is what I think, and would strongly advice myself to stop being so stupidly lazy and use my brain more.

Quite a lot of other peoples' money but a piffling when compared to what's been given to corporate and the wealthy already. Still, I hope it fails since its the equivalent of our Nigerian congo of rice and kerosene.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2020/07/17/second-stimulus-checks-kamala-harris/

Billions

I just caught up. Thought it had ended or wouldn't have watched it since I hate waiting for next series. Someone said it was boring slow and got a response "mature minds" is what made me watch it, and damn, is it slow. No GoT excitement anywhere in it but very informative and equally as dialogue heavy indeed as I love my series, with a touch of psych so you got to pay attention or you'd be rewinding or missing quite a lot. Like school to be honest, or perhaps its just me seeing school in everything. "Boring slow" it definitely is, for minds that want to be educated and matured.

Please let me know when next series airs, and suggestions for next watch are welcome.

LordReed:
Bad conclusion. You eventually constructed a scenario without a god didn't you, you should accept that other people can do the same wven if they currently are not. And be sure that people will make the connection, some will take longer than others.

Do note that people could equally construct a viable scenario with a god also. That is why one should give tools instead of build scenarios for others.

TheSourcerer:
I don't see why you would be against trying to convert one , they do it all the time what's the big deal
Buddatum

"Against trying to convert one", Sourcerer? See how you inserted your own opinion and belief into what I wrote? That is what you should be trying to convert one from doing, if anything at all, because it shows a distortion in seeing and understanding, and some will say, is religious.

tintingz:
What's your point here?

My point is, have you wondered why you call "strong evidence" the contents of a book that you refer to as mythical?

AbdulSleeky:
Lol.....really?

And how many muslims are involved in those conversations?

Some, and Xmuslims. Those who want to converse. But that's not odd, especially since I write for other reasons too than just conversation as you'd see here.