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AbdulSleeky:
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What's troubles me is so few would see the irony she had to read and study a man made book to realise that the religion created from that man made book was man made.

If I read and study on such premises I think I'd call myself stupid and ignorant until I realise I'm in error. But if I didn't realise and were to go so far as to blame a man made book for my own ignorance in understanding, I'd be irresponsible too.

AbdulSleeky:
I'm sure by now, you can see that it is a downgrade!

I wouldn't say the Islamic section is a downgrade, no, I wouldn't. I'm having conversations of a different sort here so would say it compliments and I learn, which precisely is why Allah created diverse and different people, as is written.

tintingz:
What would happen if someone divide a sea today after praying to his god?

Or what would happen if the sun stand still for days?

Or what would happen if a flying chariot came down from the sky? And everyone sees it?

Aren't this strong evidences displayed to the people in these mythical books?

Split the sea, or stand still the sun, make everyone see a chariot come down from the sky first before asking what would happen, would be the more logical process of thought here before asking what would happen, tingz, don't you think? Its what I would think.

But anyway, let's say I read in a mythical book (or any book, and I must say Game of Thrones which I recently finished is a mythical series I enjoyed), that the sea was split and the sun stood still and a chariot came down from the sky, you call that "strong evidence displayed"? "Strong evidence displayed" for what exactly, that I am stupid and gullible and ignorant about "evidence" and blatantly refuse to use my eyes and my own mind to seek for proper blatant evidence?

If so, I 100% agree, because that is what would be evident to me if you call a mythical book with stories that the sea was split and the sun stood still and a chariot came down from the sky, "strong evidence displayed" before you. Just imagine if I did the same with GoT!

Please note that while I play along with your use of the word "mythical", it is not a word I use to define Scripture, but if it is mythical, it should be read mythically, and not literally, which is the error you seem to be pointing out some do make. I am glad you do not.

Do also note that another way to read such texts is mystically, as in in recognition that that which we read today was written in the past by those who did not have the access we have to cross references and what they wrote has gone through rewrites, translations, corruption, etc over the centuries such that it has become mystified, as in whatever might have originally been meant might have been miswritten, hidden away, lost or simply beyond the capacity to be understood by most.

tintingz:
Budaatum anti-spam bot is banning me and hidden my post. I'm suspecting someone is doing it.

So I won't bother responding, so maybe in another thread.

Xmuslim sorry this isn't for you tho.

That's a pity. I always love reasoning with you.

gensteejay:
Okay, will do that when I'm less busy. Hope your baby and the mother are fine.

He had a baby? Know wonder he's thinking about existence lol!

Congrats FOLYKAZE.

First, let me say, I love Descartes failure to prove what he wanted to prove, which was God, but his immense work trying leaves us with a tool for self scrutiny as I point out here.

FOLYKAZE:
Who am I?

I am buda. No more. No less.

FOLYKAZE:
what is existence, and what is reality?

Existence is that which is subject to space and time. Things that occupy space and time are in existence. Things that do not occupy space and time are inexistent. Note the English headache!

FOLYKAZE:
1. Who am I; and who is the man in the mirror?

I am buda, and the image of buda is in the mirror.
The image in the mirror is not buda for you will find it does not think which after all is the ultimate conclussion of Descarte's often ill-translated "I am thinking, therefore I exist".

P.s. I declare that I have Heidegger's Being and Time on my birthday list but its unfortunately a day late. His "being" is about things that are or have been in existence.

[url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+9%3A21-27&version=NIV]Luke 9:21-27[/url]

I Will Die!

[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+9%3A18-20&version=KJV]Luke 9:18-20[/url] was over a year ago and marks the point last year when I began working up 20 July as I have always done, with the question posed in the 3 verse section that the NIV titles Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah.

What Luke 9:18-20 said to me at the time (and you'd have to know how much I resent talking Bibles to get the point here), was, “Who do the crowds say buda is?” Then I laughed at the thought that I should care what a crowd thinks and moreso at the thought that a crowd needed to tell buda who buda is. I confess I laughed a lot.

Incidently when FOLYKAZE posed the question below,

FOLYKAZE:
Who am I, what is existence, and what is reality?

1. Who am I; and who is the man in the mirror?

What I heard was, buda, who are you?

I'm gracing that thread with a response soon as I'm done here.

So, back to Luke 9:21-27, which the bav titles, "I will die". A bav 'what should be done' follows. It deviates and outright opposes, so do say, buda how dare you, if compelled.

Scream from the rooftops and tell everyone even though they may all reject it. Those who will know study Words, not for their own selfish end but for the general good of all, while those who fear words will fear the meaning of words that only some will understand.

20 July is the day I remember that I will surely die.

Kobojunkie:
Many of the same kind of miracles happen to people who "are in the world" as well.
God does not have mercy only on those who are "saved" or belong to world-churches, but to all mankind.

As a Wise Priest who had so much to say once said.

shadeyinka:
Just as it takes faith to be a Christian, it takes faith to be an atheist for at a Scientific or logical or psychological level, no one can prove or disprove God

I would rather build whatever it is I build on the solid ground of knowledge, which is why I can very safely say that it is not faith that makes me give any credit to Christianity, which for me is Bible, for in it is the "proof or disproof for God for those with understanding.

Do note that if you ask me for proof or disproof, I would first require that you tell me what God is, to you.

shadeyinka:
Christians have the obligation to preach the gospel to all nations.

The question you need to consider is, what is the gospel, because only by knowing what the gospel is can one fulfil an obligation to preach it.

ajailer:
you are taking the driver of the day that is open to public vote as something serious abi. most of the voters are always the Dutch fans FYI, so it will always be bias.

him taking p2 is just his lucky day, you can take a look at the start of the race and see how all the drivers in front of him except LH44 on the grid had a bad start .....just as Leclerc too was lucky by taking p2 at the season opening race, Austrian GP. I must note here though that it was in a different fashion but luck played into their hands on both occasions.

Him taking p2 was his lucky day, but him skidding into the barrier is not just an unlucky moment? Nice logic, not! But then, perhaps you are one of those who think Hamilton winning so many championships is luck too. The problem with such thinking however becomes obvious when one waits for such luck in one's personal life instead of learning about the immense hard work that lucky people have done and emulating it.

LordReed:
I second this. It is not necessary to convert someone, let them find themselves.

In fact, the whole idea of "converting someone" makes it sound like there's a switch he just has to flick, and voila, converted.

ajailer:
max vestappen is a wreck... crashed his car on parade lap

Jos hyped his lil boy far beyond his capabilities...

#HungarianGP'20

This a case where we advice you don't jump to silly conclusions.

He made a simple mistake but the end result does not sound like "Jos hyped his lil boy far beyond his capabilities"!

Xmuslim:
Some people were made to believe.....

While some actually use their own brains to reason and think for themselves. But it would seem some don't see those brain users and therefore pressume all are "made to believe".

Funny thing is you yourself, despite being made to believe by 3 generations of Muslims, don't believe, and I can't help wonder why you'd believe you are the only non-believer.

OLAADEGBU:
I must have touched a nerve.

Ignorance always touches nerves.

Don't you just listen to yourself sometime to hear what you sound like?

orunto27:
PICTURES ARE NOT STATUES AND ARE NOT WORSHIPPED. ALL REPRESENTATIONS OF HEBREW SCROLLS IN PICTURES, FIGURES AND MODELS ARE HISTORIES, LESSONS AND EXAMPLES.

Do mind them. They sound like those who watch cocacola advert on telly and go, "Yummy, that tasted nice", while their belly remains full of air.

CoronaVirusRelo:
The Biden campaign admits that one of its most effective weapons against President Trump is Trump himself, what he says and how he acts.

"When your opponent is destroying himself, don't interrupt," one Democratic strategist agrees.

The password!

The more Trump keeps talking and acting, the more faults you find.

I'd go as far as saying if they ever do the debates, Biden should be silent everytime trump opens his mouth to interrupt to dig himself into a pit.

tintingz:
You just said everything I've been trying to tell Budaatum.

Yes you did. And I'm telling both of you to de-indoctrinate yourselves instead of propounding the religious ignorance that you yourselves ran away from.

usermane:
Developing scientifically is an entire mindset that is much broader than mere tendency to question everything.

I'd propose that "developing scientifically" means, learning to investigate with proper use of the senses, science being, investigating with the senses.

Thankfully, our religion is a step in that direction, though it is not obvious yet. Christianity teaches the use of the eyes a lot, which is why blindness curing is recurs so much. "If the eye is not dim the whole being will be scientifically minded". Islam teaches the development of the senses but many are yet to figure out the meaning of Wuḍūʾ.

When Nigeria adopts science as it's religion, dare I say, where its taught five days a week and not one day a week, we would take massive leaps forward from our current developmental stage.

Good thing is we will one day because those scientifically minded like you will not rest till we develop.

OLAADEGBU:
Any knowledge that teaches you not to fear God is not of God.

Let us know if the knowledge below is not of God.

Charleys:
Have you ever heard of cheap labour?
Or extortion?

Is cheap labour a crime in Nigeria?
Is extortion not illegal and a crime in Nigeria?

What exactly is your point?

Charleys:
97% of wealthy man in Nigeria and if not the world made their wealth by extortion, govt resources swindling and other avenue. this doesn't mean crime is the best but nobody is a saint

You have no evidence for your 97% nor am I gullible enough to fall for the stupid logic that claims everyone is a thief so it is ok to steal!

One does not have to be a saint to avoid being an extorting swindling criminal. One can simple be a honest diligent hardworking person instead.

Itohanprefa:
He clearly stated it wasn't legal

You mean he stated it wasn't illegal?

Then you should ask why he is hiding it from EFCC of all organisations!

Charleys:
This topic will be of help to everyone. No one is talking about fraudster here lady.

You are hiding it because its fraudulently earned by a fraudster! If it were legally earned it wouldn't need to be hidden because it would be invested.

Itohanprefa:
Put am inside iron box bury am for your compund shikena

Like in a soakaway?

Sounds like you have not heard of inflation, and currency redesigns, and the smell from soakaway contents, and the fact that if you earned your money legally you would not need to hide it from anyone!

OLAADEGBU:
What knowledge is against God?

Go read the thread you signposted and perhaps you'd understand that its claiming knowledge is opposed to godliness, instead of God being all knowledge.

But I guess that assumes you can read which you obviously can not since for some reason you can't even see.

gensteejay:
Better you stop confusing yourself all about, claiming to be among the People of the Scripture (Christians and Jews) in one post, and calling yourself a follower of Jesus Christ in another, and yet in another post, calling yourself a worshipper of Allah. All rolled into one.

Better to choose one side, go back to atheism, or don't pick any one at all.

How can the same person keep jumping ship in a a matter of minutes (from Christianity, to Christ's followership, to Allah's worship)?

Utter confusion.

You are the one confused because I do not seem to fit into one of your little boxes because your own understanding says everyone must choose one side while forgetting they are humans before anything else. It's due to your religious indoctrination into the ideology of black or white, good or evil, gods or devils, 1 and 0, that everyone must neatly fit in a box, but of course you would not recognise it as such since you do not appear to be one who can see himself, or others for that matter, being one who sees what you think is there instead of actually seeing with your own eyes.

I never called myself any of the things you lie that I called myself! If you lack understanding of what I do say, please ask instead of making crap up in your head and believing it to be true! The only thing buda is is buda, which you'd notice if you really looked. And yes, it does confuse many, especially those who can't really use their own minds to reason like you can't, that buda does not fit in your box.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM8JhvfoqdA

I'm certain those Muslims will point out my nonsense in due time. Your's clearly isn't it.

gensteejay:
Maybe you should first read the history of some Jews and Christians that accepted Islam during Muhammad's time.

Then, you'll see you've been saying nonsense on this thread.

You don't even have basic knowledge of Qur'an or Allah. You don't have basic knowledge of Muhammad's Sunnah or his history.

It's really dumb discussing this way about a book you've not read from the front to the back (the ex-Muslim you're discussing with would have read the whole Qur'an not less than 10 times).

Depending on their age, a typical Muslim that understands Arabic would read the whole Qur'an at least once in a year, especially during Ramadhan.

It's really silly to say such kind of people don't understand Qur'an but you do, yet you don't even understand Arabic and can't even read Qur'an, except merely selecting one or two verses in English here and there to form an uninformed conclusion about a religion you don't have basic knowledge of.

Even Muslims would be laughing at your posts here because you don't even know the basics.

gensteejay:
By submitting to Allah, hope know you've now become a Muslim. If in doubt, check the meaning of a Muslim again.

That verse you quoted applies to the People of the Scripture (Christians and Jews) in Muhammad's time that submitted to Allah on listening to the recitation of Qur'an from him and thus converted to Islam from Christianity/Judaism.

Good luck with your Islamic journey.

That part in bold is a blatant lie! They would not have been described as People with their own separate Scripture if they had converted to become People of the Quran!

And I don't need luck. Allah put a brain in my head and I've learnt how to use it.

gensteejay:
Are you now among the People of the Scripture? Those referred to as the People of the Scripture in Islam are certain Christians and Jews.

Too much confusion in your post. Pick one side and stick to it.

If you say you're among the People of the Scripture, are you submissive to Allah as that verse requires. Hope you know the term, "Muslim", means a person who is submissive to Allah.

Are you among the People of the Scripture (i.e. Christians and Jews) that submit to Allah?

It is not about sides nor about whatever you imagine Allah might do to me, but about a proper understanding of simple text!

It says there very clearly "those People of the Scripture who submit to Allah", which you now admit is Christians and Jews, and not unbelievers as you first implied!

But just so we are clear, buda is not a believer, as you can very easily confirm by searching.