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tintingz:
Lmao, you should go for stand up comedy.

Religion introduced reading and written, skepticism advanced it. Without skepticism we would still believe the earth is flat.

Example are the Greek scholars.

Don't mind those silly Greeks, daring to doubt what I tell them! You, tingz are Nigerian I hope, stuck in the dark and ready to believe what I tell you to, though, I must admit that I'm losing control of you! See you here daring to think for yourself! Don't you know that will lead you to the mythical hell I created to scare you so you do not think for yourself?

You must believe, least you too become like us, knowing the Knowledge of the Good and the Evil and reaching out for the Fruits of the Tree of Life that will make you be free and live!

tintingz:
What do I choose to believe?

Choose? You? In a world where I get to invest in temples and write books to indoctrinate you into my own myths with religion?

Nothing, of course! That would be like you using your own brain to think up things for yourself, and I just can't let you do that least you become like us!

tintingz:
I'm talking about social myths.

Stop splitting hairs. All myths are social or they are just crap you independently create in your own head and chose to believe. And trust me when I say I need you far more than to let you think up your own myths in your head by yourself, least you become uncontrollable like us!

tintingz:
The early humans had a belief not necessary an organized religion, maybe the word religion can now be used for it.

And secondly, there must be a time in history humans doesn't have beliefs.

There was never a time when humans did not have belief. They had beliefs precisely because they had no knowledge.

And religion is simply the process by which people were taught beliefs. Its like telling you Phytagoras Theorem without teaching you how it came about. You believe it because you are ignorant, but once you understand it you stop believing because you now know it.

shadeyinka:
I This is why we have become progressively godless because ours is a willful rejection of the almighty.

I'm going to assume that by "godless" you mean "Lord Lord", and inform you that some atheists are not as "godless" as you assume, especially if God means being morally upright. I don't need "Lord Lord" to be respectful of you, for instance, as even atheist parents teach their children morals, and as Jesus showed in the Parable of the non-God Samaritan.

As for your bit on beastiality, I'm afraid your reasoning is beneath my ability to comment apart from to say it has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality in my own opinion. Nations that after all do not condemn homosexuality all condemn bestiality and paedophilia.

tintingz:
The human society in general is built on social myth, religions are part of it.

There you go! The myths I created and religiously indoctrinated you with.

tintingz:
Yes religion introduced the concept of reading and written but didn't advance it.

But I will disagree that without religion there can't be education, without religion humans will always find a way to understand the universe and it environment.

If religion hadn't begun educating, there just might not have been anything to advance don't you think? Besides, shouldn't we agree on what has been instead of considering what might have been but wasn't?

Education came out of the insidous (note) need to indoctrinate. If I had no need to control your thinking, I just might have left you to educate yourself however you felt. But then, how would I enslave you for my own use if I hadn't indoctrinated you with religion?

I think credit should be given where due, myself, since one can't actually give it to what might have been, but wasn't. You must forgive me. Religion was the best I had at the time, and now, I use school instead. And note how I've figured out a way to make you pay more than tithes for it too.

Think carefully now please, then respond, because I value how well I indoctrinated you and would not like to be shown I have failed to make you understand the universe and the environment exactly how it profits me that you should. I did not build massive temples out of the benevolence of my heart!

charlsecy:
@budaatum
I am not talking about money or respect here.

Neither am I. But do tell, what exactly are you talking about?

I wonder if some almanjeri 'schools' in Kaduna are not worse than the schools closed down. I want to hope they are worse but would reserve comment till I see they are.

The one in the picture is not as bad as some I've see though.

A father and mother sent 4 of their five children to London and America and kept the last one at home doing jamb because "they want one child to be physically close to dad and mum".

When any of the four, doctor, lawyer, engineer and pharmacist returned home to visit, the younger one sees she's not regarded as highly as them as dollar and pounds go further than her accountant naira even though she's the one cleaning mummy and daddy's poo. But I'm sure your own will not be like that.

Jasen1:
Fake

You forget this screenshot can only come.from the man side

Unless you're the man in question sleeping with married woman

It's not fake. He is obviously the man in question posting evidence of him fuqing another man's girl and is asking what you would do if you found out he was so he knows what to do when he's caught.

His next thread was "His girlfriend infected him with gonorrhea"!
https://www.nairaland.com/5499699/girlfriend-just-infected-me-gonorrhoea#83569200

tfelicityk:
Who to blame?

The idiots in the neighbourhood who dirtied the place, of course!

Brandstudio01:

One Question in my mind is, How do you expect People to think & act like Humans in this type of environment?

Excuse me, but is their environment not a product of their thinking?

Be careful or your logos will reflect your unthinking!

Fed slaps another bandage on "stronger than expected" economy!

https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/monetary20191030a.htm

Government should do what he says!

The Holy Spirit said "tax", but the Archbishop heard "tithe".

Of course, Kanye’s massive IRS refund has absolutely nothing to do with God. Rather, he’s simply reaping the benefits of the massive tax break bestowed upon the ultra-wealthy by his good friend Donald Trump. It also helps that he now finds himself at the head of a church likely exempt from paying taxes.

But we forgive Kanye for not fully grasping America’s tax policy… it’s not like he’s planning to run for president in 2024 or anything.

Athifku, no hear them o abeg! Appeal to a higher court please, there must be one!

Just ordered a pair. Will be walking them in potopoto on Ajegunle Street when they arrive.

Lai Mohammed has applied for Nairaland mod?

That should be fun!

LordReed:
This is likely to be fake news. Not even The Times where he supposedly said this has this news piece.

You party pooper! Can't you just humour us for the benefit of discussion? I guess some just don't realise that lying and the bearing of false witness just invalidates God.

The below is from Dawkins Foundation, which more accurately reflects his views.

A Refute To Morality From God
Discussion by: scottcgold

Watching various debates between atheists and the religious I have noticed, as I am sure many others have, that the question of morality always wants to rear it’s head as an argument against atheism. While it seems obvious to any atheist that religion is not a requirement for morality I have yet to hear an atheist give a convincing answer to the theist about it’s origin, not that it is a requirement for our position as the burden of proof rests on the theist, however, if we wish to debate then it is our duty to make arguments not only convincing to ourselves but to those opposed to us as well. This is my humble attempt to refute the theistic claim.

I will not spend time discussing the argument that morality does or does not come from religion itself. While I do agree that it is extremely valid to point to the scriptures as immoral documents and therefore not an acceptable basis for morality especially when quoting the words or actions of the deity himself/herself, it is all to easy for any theist, William Craig for example, to throw off the religious texts and say that morality is not written in pages but in ourselves by God. This also allows him to sidestep any ridiculous notion that an atheist cannot be moral because they are not religious. Craig says that of course atheists can be moral because they bear the divine spark that God has given to all men/women.

Hitchens brilliantly devised a wager asking anyone to present him with a moral action that a theist could perform but that an atheist could not. He also inversely asked of an immoral action that could only be undertaken by a religious person. This, to great effect, fleshed out Weinberg’s claim that “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” However, this does not necessarily refute the theist claim that morality comes from God within us as it side steps the necessity of religious dogma.

Dawkins and others have argued the evolutionary reasons for morality which, not that they are invalid, seem to disappoint the theist because they automatically see it as a rebuff to their human dignity. They might say, “Morality is what separates us from the animals because it is a product of the soul or God within man.”

We will never get the theist, at least not yet, to admit that morality is a process of genetics and deterministic chemicals operating within the brain and making our choices for us; and while the atheist may be willing to accept morality as a process of evolution and determinism there is still something unsettling to a great many atheists about the notion of free will bing illusory.

Theists also say that science has nothing to offer to the humanities such as music, painting and other arts. I tend to agree with this and would also venture to throw morality into this pile as well. It is entirely possible that science may one day discover an absolute morality and describe it to us but this would be as difficult as finding the singular equation that can illustrate the workings of the entire universe.

Mathematics while the best suited of our many languages to describe the universe may turn out to be fatally imperfect in doing so or we may keep refining the language of mathematics ever closer to the limit of perfection. Suffice to say that theists, and I tend to agree, feel that science is a different human endeavor that only has secondary impacts on morality but no real incite as to its origins or intricate workings (at least, not yet).

At this time I would like to present a definition of humanities as ‘those branches of knowledge, such as philosophy, literature, and art, that are concerned with human thought and culture; the liberal arts.’ Also, I would like to now explain why, above, I have lumped morality in with the humanities. Morality like mathematics can have effects in the physical world. However, unlike mathematics which is the language of the physical world and therefore tethered inescapably to it. Morality is a humanity that operates below (or above) language. We can feel morality without describing it in words and we can endlessly hypothesize moral situations without throwing the physical world out the window. To illustrate, many people hypothesize the necessary moral action that needs to be taken to stop an abortion because of metaphysical and physical assumptions that can be examined independently. In deciding whether we are for or against an abortion at a given moment we can make arguments about a soul or argue, ‘does the baby feel pain?’ or both simultaneously. In contrast, we could hypothesize about what changes we would need to make to a constant if gravity operated in reverse or if light traveled half speed but none of the equations change if we decide chemical weapons are good or bad.

Morality is an aesthetic. Theists like Craig may want to believe in an absolute morality and this is fine so far as to say that we may one day discover an agreed upon absolute aesthetic in music and painting. However, even Craig admits that we have made “moral improvements’ although he involves himself in quite the mental contortion to explain why morality has always operated at the absolute while at the same time improving.

Theists believe that they are always operating at the moral absolute. This is necessary for their dogma. They therefore claim that God is necessary for morality. For the theist, to admit that morality is relative or evolving towards an absolute perfection while their God operates beyond the physical world and time is to admit that God is inconsistent and imperfect. The theists, like Craig, then mince words and say we have moral improvement but we would not know what absolute we are striving toward unless God was present in us and guiding us.

This is where I come to the point of this essay. When a theist asks how can we have an absolute morality without God we must say that it serves a purpose. Morality serves the desire of a species living together in close proximity. We do not need a perfect version of morality to meet the societal want. Any version of it is better than no version at all. When human beings built the first bridges they did not have an image of the Golden Gate Bridge to work toward, just as the Wright brothers first airplane was not a failure to build the Concord. Morality exists because there is a desire for it to exist. It increases the quality of life. We see this throughout human history. As morality reaches higher and higher standards and these standards become accepted we in turn make higher demands of our moral code. We then begin to see that morality is a process of positive feedback. Just as building the first bridge meant not having to walk as far and freed time for us to pursue desires instead of needs, developing moral codes allowed us to have less fear of others within society which allows us more time to think about what we want instead of guarding against every stranger we encounter. We also can now see that as communication, travel and other technologies are at the beginnings of creating a global society, morality is once again evolving, as we demand more from it. Now that we have closer contacts with other countries, nationalism has become xenophobia and righteous persecution towards LGBT has become homophobia. Keep in mind that religious texts have remained the same for these changes and many more.

Morality, like any other humanity pleased an aesthetic and evolved, as we demanded more from it. As Mozart was not content to forever bang on drums as cavemen did but instead endeavored to create something ever more complex, beautiful and pleasing so does humanity endlessly strive to throw off Bronze Age morality and create a world more beautiful and pleasing for ALL its inhabitants.

In Jesus name I pray, Amen!

You are very welcome to Nairaland, cnboy90.

Ignorance and fear of China, and Africa, for that matter, is really what makes the western media malign others so much. If westerners know about the rather long and interesting history of China and the rest of the world we would break free from the control of the west and they just can't alllow that, so malign and misinform about is their prefered method of keeping us under their control.

budaatum:
Here is a very good History of China. Episode 1 will directly download from here.

As is said in China, "the person in the pit does not see as far as the one on a hill".

shadeyinka:
The fact that people still identify with some churches does not invalidate the fact that we live in a progressively godless society.

I didn't intend to stereotype the mum of the boy as Christian or Atheist. I am particular about the Atheist Agenda (of saying nothing is a sin). When standards of right/wrong evolve not from God, anything can go as OK!

For instance, the same argument that go for homosexuality goes for bestiality however, we've not gotten yet to the level of the later as acceptable.

You might not have "intended to stereotype the mum of the boy" as atheist, but you implied it and left it to be inferred that atheism was responsible for the boys gender dysphoria, but I can easily let that slide I guess, but here you are making out homosexuals see nothing wrong with fuqing animals as if the two things are the same thing, which is not true and just sounds ignorant or points one out as a liar, if one isn't really so ignorant. One might as well equally ignorantly claim homosexuals approve of sex with their 7 year old child too because no gods told them not to!

The truth is atheists might not consider a thing a "sin", which means 'wrong because a god says so', but I'm certain they would not approve of you fuqing their 7 year old or their dog for that matter, and not because they would just rather you didn't, but that no one should because it is just wrong. Just check how many left the Church because a priest molested them when they were 7 years old if you doubt this.

I do not agree that "we are in a progressively godless society" at all, and would in fact say that only those who are historically ignorant about how brutal humans have been in the past or do not have the power of Christ in themselves to make the world better would make such a statement. The truth is that we are better humans today and are also far more knowledgeable about religion than we have ever been.

God does not sleep and let God's creation go to hell, is more the truth, or God would not have sent Jesus Christ to enlighten us so we can make the world better, and to say the world is progressively godless is like saying we have wasted Christ and let satan win, which I doubt you would agree is the case. Or would you?

shadeyinka:
Perfectly said bro!
Just recently, a court case is on in USA to determine if a mom can allow her 7 year old son to begin gender reassignment chemical therapy to convert him into a girl against the boys father's wish. You just wonder the kind of things that would be allowed when "God is fully kicked out" by Atheists.

Except neither parent was an atheist as you'd easily find by a simple search!

The parents were members of an Orthodox church, who named their children after Biblical reference, the newspaper reported.

Its true. I was there and saw it with my two eyes! They had two in the shop, one for the right foot and another for the left, and they sold out when one person like this bought both!

I hope you learned a lesson, or two.

One good thing about topics like these is they at least give one topics to research especially late at night when one is struggling to sleep.

BdorianGray:
Any human being in Lemuria could live from twelve to fifteen centuries, (something
more than one thousand years). It was a strong race, vigorous; they could easily take a
stone and thrown it far away; a stone that today, in order to move, would need a strong
crane, and maybe even with the crane we would not be able to move it.


The Lemurians were a vigorous race, very strong. However, their origin was not in the
Pacific, as it is believed. The Lemurian ancestors were from the Hyperborean continent, that curved, close around the North and South Pole..

Lemuria
Out of the gross limitation of atomic mutation the civilization of Lemuria (also known as Mu) dragged its weary self. The Earth became somewhat similar to what Maldek had been. The people began to probe the philosophies and the sciences again, and the Lemurian civilization flourished.

At its peak, it was a civilization of much finer culture than we know on Earth today. The Lemurians established a liaison between themselves and advanced intelligences from other planets, who taught them a great deal.

But alas, the disease struck again.

Lemuria was split into two camps: good and evil, the later camp again probing the atom. For the second time, the forces within God’s tiny building blocks were unleashed – and the civilization of Lemuria was destroyed.

https://www.aetherius.org/the-mother-earth/atlantis-lemuria-maldek/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28lost_continent%29?wprov=sfla1

BdorianGray:
I like applying this aphorism to myself, It says- Ignorance is not just a simple lack of knowledge, but an active aversion to knowledge, the refusal to know, issuing from cowardice, pride or laziness of mind.
Another one says- The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.

Let us test dorian gray and see how true this picture is.

BdorianGray:
Skeletons of giants have been found in different places, in Brazil was found a figure or
human skeleton of about six or seven meters height.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/giant-human-skeleton-photographs/

Perhaps they should crown Kanu as President. I'm sure for fuqs face kayode would not mind being his vice president. Except Nigeria is a democracy where we the people might just have something to say about that.

They should shut the fuq up and pay their debt!