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Martinez39:
The quran does not agree with feminism. Any woman who calls herself a muslim feminist is a joker.

Muslims don't worship the Quran, Martin. They worship the Almighty Allah whose Prophet is Mohammed.

MuttleyLaff:
An oxymoron, just as same as the four lists Martinez39 presented

Thanks for informing us that buda is an oxo cube and a moro.n.

I don't disregard evidence and believe junk cooked up in my head. If I did, I'd cook up God in my head instead since it's way more profitable a belief to cook up than junk.

Martinez39:
I simply asked if they were feminists, I never asked if they were Muslims. Anyway, I was referring to the men-hating and women superiority seeking white women calling themselves feminists. These women have their groups, movements, spokeswomen and have been observed and recorded by others to be feminists. They also conform to many people's understanding of the word "feminist." Should that mean no one should doubt their feminist identity?

Giving yourself a label doesn't mean you are what the label describes. Many people call themselves Liberals in America but hunt those that criticise Islam, support Trump and brand any idea they don't like as hate speech. Can these people be called Liberals in the true sense of the word?

I put it to you that you can't claim to abide by the quran and be a feminist in the true sense of the word. To insist that one is a Muslim feminist is to display ignorance, dishonesty or religious romancing and unseriousness. A healthy brain ought to process the words "muslim feminist" as it would "four side triangle." Feminism and Islam are like oil and water ---- they can't mix. Let's not kid ourselves.

CAPSLOCKED:
SAME FOR CHRISTIANITY.

A PERSON CAN'T BE A RELIGIOUS FEMINIST HOW ALMOST ALL MAJOR RELIGIONS DEVALUES WOMEN.

You too sound like someone told you being religious means pigs get to jump all over females! Are you suggesting religion breeds pigs perhaps? Funny I don't see lots of men defending women so you might have a point though the evidence disagrees with you.

Christian feminism is a school of Christian theology which seeks to advance and understand the equality of men and women morally, socially, spiritually, and in leadership from a Christian perspective. Christian feminists argue that contributions by women, and an acknowledgment of women's value, are necessary for a complete understanding of Christianity. Christian feminists believe that God does not discriminate on the basis of biologically-determined characteristics such as sex and race, but created all humans to exist in harmony and equality, reguardless of race or gender. Christian Feminists generally advocate for anti-essentialism as a part of their belief system, acknowledging that gender identities do not mandate a certain set of personality traits. Their major issues include the ordination of women, biblical equality in marriage, recognition of equal spiritual and moral abilities, reproductive rights, integration of gender neutral pronouns within readings of the Bible, and the search for a feminine or gender-transcendent divine. Christian feminists often draw on the teachings of other religions and ideologies in addition to biblical evidence, and other Christian based texts throughout history that advocate for women's rights.

Happy birthday Gabrie300

Bloody spambot!

Mods!

I guess you knew the answer you wanted then Martinez39, why you wasting peoples time?

Do let's us know how your lecturer scores your preferred answer to a question that is too hard for you.

Martinez39:
Please, my lecturer gave me this tough question. It's 40 marks. If I fail it, I would drop out of university. The question is too hard for me. Please help, I don't want to fail.

Shepherd00:
You were a Christian atheist? How can that be? A Christian who didn't believe in the existence of God?

Yep. "A Christian who didn't believe in the existence of God", though that is how some labelled me amongst other labels, but I didn't mind. My Christian was "Alice may not have really fallen through the Looking Glass, but "words still mean whatever I say they mean", says Humpty Dumpty. Besides, there is benefit in learning at the feet of Jesus, something I hadn't done for a while despite knowing how valuable treasure one finds in a field is. Thankfully, I am graced again to sit.

When buda went up the mountain with Moses and Aaron and Nadab and Abihu and seventy of the elders of Israel, the Lord said to buda, "Concern yourself with what you see and stop trying to look into the face of the Lord', buda!" And buda said, "Ok Lord".

We still fight though, me and my Lord. Just as I do with you all on here in fact. I'm up to Deut, and "God! You were a bit of a jackass then dude!" I'm sure God looks at buda and goes, "at least you know God exists now", since I haven't turned into salt yet.

Martinez39:
I simply asked if they were feminists, I never asked if they were Muslims. Anyway, I was referring to the men-hating and women superiority seeking white women calling themselves feminists. These women have their groups, movements, spokeswomen and have been observed and recorded by others to be feminists. They also conform to many people's understanding of the word "feminist." Should that mean no one should doubt their feminist identity?

Giving yourself a label doesn't mean you are what the label describes. Many people call themselves Liberals in America but hunt those that criticise Islam, support Trump and brand any idea they don't like as hate speech. Can these people be called Liberals in the true sense of the word?

I put it to you that you can't claim to abide by the quran and be a feminist in the true sense of the word. To insist that one is a Muslim feminist is to display ignorance, dishonesty or religious romancing and unseriousness. A healthy brain ought to process the words "muslim feminist" as it would "four side triangle." Feminism and Islam are like oil and water ---- they can't mix. Let's not kid ourselves.

People said one can't be a Christian Atheist and I managed both for years so I'm sure feminists can be Muslims and vice versa, and I've even provided you with evidence!

All we need now is a thread explaining what the KoG actually is!

Martinez39:
A group of men-hating women in the west who want women superiority and hate taking responsibilities for their actions call themselves feminists. Do you think they are feminists?

I don't think they are Muslim and feminist, Martinez39. They say they are Muslim Feminists , they conform to my understanding of the words Muslim and feminists, others have recorded them as being Muslim feminist and I have no reason to doubt them, or that they are Muslim Feminist.

Do you not accept that those listed are Muslim Feminists, martin?

Martinez39:
I asked a question maybe you didn't get it. I ask again

What I think in my own head is irrelevant! You have a brain and mind to think in your own head for yourself.

Please observe what could very possibly be termed "concrete material objective evidence of feminist Muslims" and judge for yourself!

Martinez39:
A group of men-hating women in the west who want women superiority and hate taking responsibilities for their actions call themselves feminists. Do you thinking they are feminists?

It's not about what I might think, but about the facts! Perhaps I need to post a list of Muslim feminists so you can show me which of them is "men-hating women in the west who want women superiority and hate taking responsibilities for their actions"!

List of Muslim feminists

I've made it bold so that you can't cover your eyes and claim you did not see it, Martinez39. Also:

Musawah ('equality'; in Arabic: مساواة) is a global movement for equality and justice in the Muslim family, led by feminists "seeking to reclaim Islam and the Koran for themselves".

Twelve women met in Istanbul as the planning committee in March 2007, from countries around the world: Egypt, the Gambia, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Turkey and the United Kingdom.

Musawah was officially launched in Kuala Lampur in February 2009, at a meeting of 250 Muslim activists, scholars, legal practitioners and policy-makers from 47 countries. Mona Eltahawy, the Egyptian-American journalist and Musawah member, commented on this founding moment: "Panel discussions and dinner talk [...] were heated, but not about headscarves or education. We had much heavier issues on our minds — like a woman’s right to initiate divorce, how to protect women against clerics who say Islam gives a husband the right to beat his wife, fighting forced marriage. In other words, wrestling Islam back from the men who use it against us."

The name "Musawah" comes from an Arabic word that translates as "equality".

Shepherd00:
No, it's not. Atheists will read and run away. Even frosbel2

Even Christians seem to avoid it and run away!

Martinez39:
I don't know why the sarcasm of my op is so hard to spot. A muslim feminist is like a herbivorous tiger. It's impossible. You cannot claim to follow the teachings of the quran and call yourself a feminist. Only the ignorant, the dishonest or the religious romancer would do such.

Yeah, I thought this was your opinion. If you were an atheist, one would just present you with evidence and case closed. But since you seem to believe your own opinion is fact, guess we can't educate you, Martinez39 until you agree to open your eyes and look at the evidence!

See muttley. I'm not the only one who thinks you said feminist Muslims can't and don't exist.

TATIME:
After this post,he started trying to discredit those who taught me without any scriptural proofs so i left!

Hahaha lol. Were you called satan at any point?

MuttleyLaff:
Why are you pretending I havent previously seen the list, erh?
I reiterate, and like I earlier said, the phrase "muslim feminist", you would accept and agree, is an oxymoron, as the words muslim and feminist go against the grind, and I did later come down to admit that, it is the strongest candidate that wins the clearest vote, to be the odd one out of all.

Just so I'm clear on your facts, there are Muslim feminists, right?

I think the op threw it in as a red herring!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J91ti_MpdHA

TATIME:
Conversion only happens when you study the Bible FACE to FACE with a Christian through whose conduct and manner you'll learn the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of the theoretical tenets of Christianity!
You can only perceive the virtues of Christ in the respectful approach of a TRUE Christian,but how come we remain calm in the face of fierce criticism, abuses, curses and physical assaults, this you must learn by welcoming a free home Bible study with JWs!
However you need not label me GOOD because there is no good person except our grand teacher Jehovah! HE is the one teaching all HIS Witnesses[including Jesus] how to benefit Ourselves by exhibiting virtuous deeds! Isaiah 48:17,18 compared to Luke 18:18,19
God bless you!

I await the day you and jesusjnr meet. Or have you met already and I missed it?

MuttleyLaff:
Please get back to me on where and when you've witnessed a muslim feminist worshipping side by side a male muslim in a mosque

A Muslim Feminist does not have to be "worshipping side by side a male muslim in a mosque".

Here's a List of a few.

CAPSLOCKED:
C IS ACTUALLY THE MOST IMPOSSIBLE.
DON'T ASK ME WHY, ASK MARTINEZ39.

I do ask you why Caps!

MuttleyLaff:
Cant you see that (c) is an oxymoron. Muslim feminist, is this in context of hijab, burka or niqab, segregation of women in worship place, women right to drive in the Middle East etcetera?

So you haven't seen a Muslim woman wear an hijab because she is a feminist?

Remember I know where you live and it's not in the "Middle East etcetera" Muttley!

asalimpo:
The same Jesus you mentioned railed against some group calling them hypocrites nd snakes!
Yet He was without sin. There's a godly way to doing things.

And stupid, when they were stupid?

TATIME:

Where have you been my good Tatime? Do you not see people taking credit for buda? Why have you not spoken? Do you not know you contributed to buda's conversion through your deep respectful discussion? Or are you just humble and not prepared to steal God's glory like some?

PDPGuy:
If I were Trump (or a member of his inner circle), I wouldn’t start popping champagne yet.
Yes, the same DOJ rule which says a president can’t be indicted, also applies to the SDNY.
But legally speaking, the same rule doesn’t apply to the NY Attorney-General’s office. She could, in theory, issue an indictment against the sitting president, and his close associates.

Sounds like you're saying, Mueller hasn't got the authority to indict a sitting president?

obixcel:
To all the NPCfied and zombified Libtards we have debated for the past two years since Mueller came on board, I mean, Father Mueller, The one who was suppose to cleanse and barnish your sorrows of 2016 away by somehow indicting Trump ..We say To You....

CHECKMATE!!

We might be going best of three here, this match sure ain't over. It hasn't even begun yet! Wait to see the report.

LordReed:
I think you've uncovered another problem, that of identity. Is the ship still the SS Olympian if all of its parts has been changed? The ship remains SS Olympian in identity but it is no longer the same ship. It remains the SS Olympian in the minds and paper work of those concerned because that for us that is how identity works, identity is tied to recognition, that is as long as you can continuously recognise a particular thing then its identity is established.

Interesting point. My perception of my conscious awareness has changed over the years like the bits of a ship and I still identify as me. As adoyi8 said.

adoyi8:
even without transfer of consciousness our past selves are different from us due to our subsequent experience.

asalimpo:
i see ur point,tht u were being sarcastic. I saw u as serious. Still dont see how i could interprete u as joking.
I couldve said,majority of women ... Like most women say majority of men are xyz (womanisers flirts etc). If u aint in d "majority",nothing to b incensed about. Budas answer was uncalled for.
I wasnt being emotional in that listing and i aint being sxst when i describe women as such. I'm talkng frm experience rather than tryna b politically correct

I would have just called men pigs as I usually do but I needed to show someone that buda is not righteous and you came along with your sexist incorrect comments that aren't true unless you are a caveman. Asalimpo, no vex.

It is not true that tits make me dumb though, future note.

solite3:
first of all God's grace is only available for people who do not work but trust totally on the finished work of christ.

solite3, you cannot possibly believe this!

Not if you understand the following:

solite3:
God is perfect and anything short of perfection is not allowed before him.

Ever heard of Bansky?

Shepherd00:
you could just say male or female.

I could. But I don't. I wouldn't want my gender to be considered in my conversations with people. Just imagine how some might focus more on my tits or my prick and not on me and my word. I don't want my gender to make others sin.