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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Believers Righteous? by budaatum: 3:00pm On Mar 30, 2019

bloodofthelamb:
Buda, I don't think anybody is putting and disregarding works, certainly not me. Afterall, didn't the scripture say, "we are created in Christ for good works?"

God is please when we walk upright but where the problem comes in is when we entertain the thoughts that we are justified by it. We will have something boast about, if our good works can get into heaven. Don't you think so?

Please blood, don't think. Check the evidence on this thread instead.

I have stated that claiming righteousness is an act of hubris. Hubris is when one boasts about one's works, and Jesus specifically preached against it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Believers Righteous? by budaatum: 2:52pm On Mar 30, 2019

Maximus69:
To illustrate this for clearer understanding:
Think of a man who claims he had so much food at home so he is trying to console a homeless pauper who is so hungry and famished,he wants this poor man to trust ~ put faith ~ believe him. He said his father has this Paradise home where everything one can dream of is present. So the pauper reluctantly followed him since he had no hope, on their way home they saw an accident where a truck filled with bread collided with a bus and all the loaf scattered on the road. Now other paupers rushed to the scene,picking loafs of bread and eating immediately not minding if the police could come and arrest them. Then the man who has been saying so much about his home also rushed to the scene striving to get some loafs and to the utmost bewilderment of his friend,he started devouring the loafs even struggling with the paupers for food!
At first his friend taught he was doing all that for him,but no he is fighting for his own stomach!
Please budaatum, do you think the pauper will still BELIEVE him further?
Well that is what the word believer truthfully means!
Most people claiming they believe this or that are saying lots of things but their ACTIONS is totally against what they're saying! Jesus' TRUE followers are saying exactly what they PRACTICE,not just what is programmed in their brains like a recording tape, when their ACTIONS is saying another thing!
'In my father's house[heaven] there are many mansions' they will quote without hesitation but it is obvious in everything they do that they have nothing as such at heart!

The evidence for this is replete on here. Many claim they believe, but their actions are contrary to what they claim to believe. And that is precisely why I am against "believe", after all even demons believe, so how could it be a virtue, especially when there are many verses that state that God prefers undemonic behaviour?

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Believers Righteous? by budaatum: 7:54pm On Mar 29, 2019

Maximus69:
The word BELIEVER means something totally different to SPIRITS unlike we humans that could be easily deceived by words of mouth!
When you say 'BELIEVE' God only pick two things:
How strongly entrenched are the teachings of Christ in your mind[heart] and how efficient you're in convincing others with WORDS about what you're sure of! Romans 10:10

I hope by "entrenched" you mean more than mere believing but what I do with the Word in my mind.

Maximus69:
God and angels are not deceived by what we say we believe because our actions is what they're watching to quantify each person.

So his salvation hangs on his REACTION towards God's messengers NOT what he is doing presently!
If the presentation of the messengers are efficient enough with 'mildness and deep respect'[1Peter 3:15] yet he treated them badly,then he is on his own.
But if he has a rethink and changes his attitude towards them the next time,then he could be considered. That is why Zephaniah said people living in this last days only need to seek righteousness and meekness,adding that PROBABLY they may be saved! Zephaniah 2:2,3
So the angels are watching our actions [both those who are claiming believers,preacher and those who listens including those ignoring] not what we're saying,even we humans created in God's image knew very well that ACTION speaks louder than mere words!

There you go. By what one does and not just "believing", or "Lord, Lord", as some do.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are People Predestined To Heaven /hell? by budaatum: 7:47pm On Mar 29, 2019

Just so you are clear where I stand, ihedi, God has not predetermined who would go to hell. If God had predetermined who would go to hell then it wouldn't matter what one did since ones destiny is already written and God wouldn't have bothered to send God's only begotten son to change what had already been predestined. Each of us chooses to go to hell by our own God given freewill. And those who choose not to do so choose of their own freewill. Whether one does God's will or not is up to oneself and is in no way predetermined or determined by God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are People Predestined To Heaven /hell? by budaatum: 7:03pm On Mar 29, 2019

Ihedinobi3:
You are absolutely free to believe what you please. You lie, however, when you claim to care about what is written in the Bible. One only cares about what another has to say if they think that what that person has to say is important. So, you can't both have no respect for the Bible and also care about what it says.

According to you I guess. Or where in the Bible is one asked to respect the Bible? Just so you know though, what you have to say is not important at all. I'm interested though.

Ihedinobi3:
That is why you also lie about what the Bible says and also wish that no one can accurately interpret it, because then your deceit would be blown wide open.

I'm certain it can very easily be determined if one lies about what is written down and which anyone can go and check. So go on, blow!

Ihedinobi3:
There are plenty other people just like you who think that they can make the Bible say whatever they like.

Well, that explains you, I guess, trying to twist predestination to fit in with freewill. But you wouldn't be the first to think your own understanding is the Word of God. buda ain't buying it though since I haven't found anything to support your claim.

Ihedinobi3:
Edit: I notice that you also just accused me of idolatry. Your lies are multiplying with each post. Are you about to accuse me of worshiping a book and then proceed to make some kind of incredulous argument for how the Bible is a graven image? I wouldn't put it past you.

Well, when you ask for a book to be respected I can't but assume you'd like it revered and worshipped too, but the Bible is not God so need not be worshipped or respected even, but read and learned from.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are People Predestined To Heaven /hell? by budaatum: 6:45pm On Mar 29, 2019

TATIME:
Please welcome a free home Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses today and learn all that is required of you to become a Christian!

The Bible is very clear on what one must do to please God, Tatime, and I can read.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are People Predestined To Heaven /hell? by budaatum: 5:04pm On Mar 29, 2019

Ihedinobi3:
As I said, if your concern is to understand what the Bible teaches, I am happy to help. If it is not, I care nothing for what you have to say on biblical subjects.

I have no reason to explain this anymore. That would be a grand waste of my time. If you actually have a problem with the explanations I have given, feel free to state what it is, and I will do my best to solve it. But I'm not going to continue explaining myself ad infinitum to someone who has no respect for the Bible and couldn't possibly care less what it actually says.

You don't know what is written in the Bible Ihedinobi3, so no, I'm not taking lessons from you. All you have, like us all, is your own understanding of it, and on this particular topic, you haven't a clue. You are right though, that I lack respect for the Bible, though wrong about not caring what's written in it. Unlike you, I don't worship images of a very jealous God who said one should not bow down or worship graven images. Besides, my respect is for humans whom I see and not for unseen things. For in as much as I do for those I see, my God seems pretty pleased with me, or so the Bible says.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are People Predestined To Heaven /hell? by budaatum: 2:25pm On Mar 29, 2019

TATIME:
That's a beautiful one budaatum!
The truth is people will choose life or death by themselves! Deuteronomy 30:15-20

Imagine some claiming the "book of life" already has the names of the saved in it because God had predestined those who's name would be in it! That's
like regardless of how hard one tried, those predestined to go to hell would go to hell and those predestined for heaven go to heaven and what one does doesn't matter! That's just evil, in my opinion, and a belief that I will fight against because it can not possibly be of God!

I am not evil because I am predestined to be evil. I am evil because I choose to be evil with my very own God given freewill so I am responsible for my evil and God did not in any way decree that I would be evil. If I had any sense I would use that God given freewill to choose otherwise.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Believers Righteous? by budaatum: 2:06pm On Mar 29, 2019

bloodofthelamb:
Apostle Paul is explaining to them and by extension us that it is the hearers are justified before God but the doers.

I watched a program yesterday that claimed William Tyndale, in translating the Bible into English, added "by faith alone", to oppose papal doctrine regarding works (buying indulgences, praying so many times a day and worship of the saints). Martin Luther is claimed to have done the same in German.

To claim justification by hearing is just so lazy and unbelievable. Even you would hesitate justifying quite a few people whom you sit in church with and who hear with you. Except I hope you are better than that and would rather concern yourself with your own forest in your own eyes.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Believers Righteous? by budaatum: 1:55pm On Mar 29, 2019

Solite3, this is an example of a 'believer' who is 'righteous', and by his works.

My position is that the righteous do not claim righteousness because righteousness is like an honour that only God bestows on one and bestowing it on oneself is very unrighteous indeed. It's called hubris, and it leads to nemesis, and it is the lesson clearly taught in the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A9-14&version=KJV]Parable of the tax collector[/url].

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are People Predestined To Heaven /hell? by budaatum: 1:36pm On Mar 29, 2019

Ihedinobi3:
Words are weak to express what I am about to say but they will have to do: God exists on a much higher plane than creatures do. The difference between God's level of existence and man's is quite literally the difference between existence itself and things which exist. For that reason, creature free will has no chance of existing at all unless God's Own Sovereign Will decrees it.

Words, show what and how one thinks Ihedinobi3. They are like windows into the soul. If one's thinking is all over the place, one's words would be all over the place, and if one is evil it shows in ones words. I can only say we are lucky that all your neighbours believe as you do or God knows how impatient you'd be with the ones who are unbelievers, or atheists. I'm just thankful Jesus is much more patient than you. You might understand whom I'd rather be taught by.

You can't possibly believe the above. If you do believe it then you are suggesting you are not a creature, and are on the same higher plane as God or you wouldn't be suggesting you would teach buda the things on God's higher plane. Do know that buda does not fall for the ancient trick of "if you look on the face of God you shall die". buda goes up the mountain with Moses and Aaron and Nadab and Abihu and seventy of the elders of Israel and does not wait for others to come back and tell me their own understanding and claim it came from God when the truth is they remained at the bottom of the mountain worshipping a calf made of gold whilst claiming "God exists on a much higher plane than creatures do". It's the well known trick that some use to elevate themselves above others that does not work with buda! Or are you not a creature too?

So, back to predestination. Eve. Imagine God predestined (or decreed) that the serpent would deceive Eve and Eve would deceive Adam. By your reasoning, all this was bound to happen exactly as it happened because "God's Own Sovereign Will decrees it" to happen exactly as it happened.

The following was Eve's punishment:

To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”

And Adam's,

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

If human action was decreed, as you suggest, by God, then Adam and Eve did not have a choice in the matter since they had no freewill to chose other than what God had decreed they choose. So why should God punish Adam and Eve for what "God's Own Sovereign Will decreed" they should do? Doesn't that sound like some evil god to you?

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Politics › Re: See The Bridge A Keyan Sitting Governor Unveiled That Got People Talking by budaatum: 5:07am On Mar 29, 2019

Why this bridge can't just stay in one country amuses me. I'm sure it was in Nigeria just last week. There was a thread about it in fact. Next week expect it to be in Egypt, or South Africa!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are People Predestined To Heaven /hell? by budaatum: 11:58pm On Mar 27, 2019

Ihedinobi3:
I don't hold or teach Calvinism or Calvinistic predestination. And I have a difficult time believing that you even want to understand what I say.

I'd love to understand what you say Ihedinobi3, but I don't really think I am capable. Even you say you are not as clear as you want to be so, if you'd be more patient.

Predestination is a doctrine in Calvinism that claims God "freely and unchangeably ordained whatsoever comes to pass." The second use of the word "predestination" applies this to the salvation, and refers to the belief that God appointed the eternal destiny of some to salvation by grace, while leaving the remainder to receive eternal damnation for all their sins, even their original sin. The former is called "unconditional election", and the latter "reprobation". In Calvinism, people are predestined and effectually called in due time (regenerated/born again) to faith by God.

Ihedinobi3:
1. Are people predestined to Heaven/Hell?
The answer to this is yes. See Romans 8:28-30; 9:11-29; Ephesians 1:11. Romans 3:5-8 is also very useful in understanding this.

The short explanation is this: we are not God. That means that we are unable to do anything at all without God's Own Enabling. For us to be able to do anything, including to choose to believe in Jesus Christ and be saved, God must enable or empower us to do it.

Now, since God has always known who and who would want to believe once they are given the choice, He designed such people and creation around them so that they would choose to be saved. If He didn't do that, then they would not be able to choose what they want to choose.

The same thing applies to those who do not want to believe and be saved. God knew them before creating them. So He designed them to be able to choose to not believe and be saved.

This is what the Bible calls Predestination.

If some are "predestined to Heaven", then it is not by their choice but by God's choice, and it's Calvinistic.

But you then go on to say "He designed such people and creation around them so that they would choose to be saved". I wonder if you are not mixing God's omniscientness with predestination?

Imagine Jonah, told to go to Nineveh but buggers off elsewhere. Did he choose to bugger off or did God predetermine he would bugger off?

If people "choose" then it is not predestined. And if it's predestined, it's not choice!

Ihedinobi3:
2. Is salvation strictly by election?
This is something called a loaded question. Salvation is by grace through faith, a free gift of God offered to all human beings. See John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9. Election is another matter altogether.

Election is woven together with Predestination and Salvation in the Bible, yes, but it is not the same thing as both. Election is God's Choice. That is, God elects some people or chooses them to be His. But He does this with discrimination (Ephesians 1:3-14). That is, there are qualifications involved in being elected. Only those who believe and remain steadfast in faith are elected.

Again, God knew who would stay true to Christ until the end of their earthly walk and therefore chose them because of their own free will choice to believe.

This must be one of your "not as clear as you wanna bes"!

What you call "election" is really choice. I'll explain. When I'm sticking my finger up shouting all over the place, "there are no gods", God probably wouldn't elect me. But when I repent and say "God, I see you", God might elect me. I must choose to accept God to be elected. None of this is predestined however.

God, in my opinion, may know (omnisciently) that I'll stop saying "there are no gods" and start saying "God, I see you" but God has not predestined me to sin, nor repent. My sin is my choice and not something God has predestined me to sin though God knew what I would do. It's like you watch a kid and know its going to fall. Your knowing did not predestinate the kids fall though, you were just omniscient about the kid falling.

Ihedinobi3:
In fact, every human being is written in the Book of Life because Jesus bought Eternal Life for all of us. People only lose it and thus have their names deleted from the Book of Life by persisting in rejecting Faith in Christ or failing to embrace it.

By choice, right, and not that God had predestined one's "persisting in rejecting Faith in Christ or failing to embrace it" ?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist's Prayer by budaatum: 10:25pm On Mar 27, 2019

CAPSLOCKED:
BELIEFS MUST BE ERADICATED AND WE WON'T STOP WORKING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

I agree!

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by budaatum: 9:48pm On Mar 27, 2019

johnydon22:
So, the world we live in now is already as good as it can get?

I wouldn't know johnydon22. I know pockets of it are better than most and some are worst, but I'm a realist, and limited to my own might and lack experience creating an worlds. Iean, if I were omniscient, why would I bother creating humans, to start with? As pieces on my chessboard?. To watch them stumble about for the fun off it? Wouldn't that make me omnibad and omnievil? I doubt you had that in mind.

So, without limitations, I'd send all human beings to heaven! They all want to go there anyway so they can all just go already and leave my perfect very interesting earth alone to its earthquakes and thunders and tsunamis and all. Stupid people who think they are the only things I created and can't consider that is how I have created earth to give praise to me it's maker! Hopefully, the new spirit I put in you all on the way to heaven will make you behave better to one another or I'm sending you all to hell!

I think I'm just no good with omniscience, me and my vast limitations. I'm a realist, see, so my ideal can't but be tempered by reality. And besides, I started with the world as it is and not the clean slate omnis have. Within those limitations though, give me free education for all at reputable uni level and libraries every two streets and the world would be as perfect as can be, for me.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Muslims Begin To Demand For Sharia Law In London (pic) by budaatum: 7:16pm On Mar 27, 2019

orion7:
what happened in N.zealand should give you a pointer.

New Zealand actually showed how so imbued with Christ New Zealand actually is once you get past the lone devil who shot up mosques.

https://www.nairaland.com/5091971/christchurch-prayers-al-noor-mosque

And London is very welcome as seen by its electing a Muslim Mayor when less than 13% Muslims live there.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by budaatum: 10:45am On Mar 27, 2019

johnydon22:
When i say Ideal i don't mean man made things like schools etc.

I'm mostly referring to natural factors as implied, you as the omniscient being would set as a default state

My concern would not be the natural factors since I've created living things imbued with an ability to "be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth".

If my being was Yahwehlike, I'd just send them a better teacher, most likely my own self taught son and other teachers, to teach them to do it better, except, done that already. If only I had more than one son, I'd likely send him now, though I'd prefer if she were a daughter so she can be called my only begotten and teach science (except, already done that too!).

Christianity Etc › Re: Esoteric Paths by budaatum: 9:37am On Mar 27, 2019*

"The square, to square our actions; The compasses, to circumscribe and keep us within bounds with all mankind".

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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:33am On Mar 27, 2019

Anduku:
You are right. According to the Assistant state attorney, "Based on all facts and circumstances of the case, and also keeping in mind resources and keeping in mind that the office's number one priority is to combat violent crime and the drivers of violence, I decided to offer this disposition in the case"

'Public safety is our number one priority. I don't see Jussie Smollett as a threat to public safety.'

But this is complete bullshit!!! He said there was nothing wrong with the case and evidence against Smollett, he believes Smollett is guilty, he is not exonerating Smollett but he thinks it will be a waste of resources to pursue the case so he let's him off with a $10,000 forfeiture and two days community service. I say bullshit!!! The only reason he is off the hooks is because he is a celebrity who has connections in high places. This is corruption at it's peak on display

He might have confessed and pleaded for mercy with tears in his eyes and they felt very sorry for his sad ass and let him off with a fine.

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Politics › Re: Islamic Group Attacks Buhari Govt Over Position On Hijab by budaatum: 2:12am On Mar 27, 2019

My bubu, you got to tell these schools to stop discriminating against peoples headwear!

Politics › Re: Lawyer Who Made Adeleke Win At Tribunal Is Most Powerful Freemason In Nigeria(pi by budaatum: 11:26pm On Mar 26, 2019

ChristianNorth:
Don't be a thing. Use Google and search and you will see it.

Atiku Spokeperson made an official statement in that regard.

Just last week, Olise Metuh equally raised alarm accusing FG of intimidating Ikpeazu SAN to withdraw from his own case.

I am also sure you didn't hear that.

I don't think DISTRICT GRAND MASTER of the ENGLISH MASONRY Ikpeazu SAN is the sort of person anyone intimidates. Not even the FG. And to be honest, asking us to take the word of Atiku's poor equivalent of the BMC is somehow, at best.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Muslims Begin To Demand For Sharia Law In London (pic) by budaatum: 11:18pm On Mar 26, 2019

HigherEd:
They were able to 'take off' the head of the king because it was a Christian nation.

You do mean "love your neighbour Christian", "Turn the other cheek Christian", and, "The Lord is our Shepherd" Christian, the sort that "fears no evil", right?

You are correct. Londoners are not the taliban!

Foreign Affairs › Re: Muslims Begin To Demand For Sharia Law In London (pic) by budaatum: 11:12pm On Mar 26, 2019

MylezKayn:
Mr Man are you a Nigerian??

Yes, amongst many other things.

Business › Re: Top 5 Richest Igbo Men In 2019 by budaatum: 11:08pm On Mar 26, 2019

eyeview:
One of the most difficult things to do is to identify who's richer than who in igbo land. Most of them don't like the publicity or razzmatazz. They just want to make money peacefully.

Peacefully? Don't 4 out of five of them own oil wells?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Type Of World Would Be The Ideal World? by budaatum: 10:56pm On Mar 26, 2019*

I kind of like the world as it is myself. I think its just about the best possible world one can get unless one wanted it flat. But then, where would you put the oceans, the mountains, Venus, Mars and the Sun? It would be odd if earth were flat as paper, and most likely wouldn't work.

The people though, I'd change. My ideal world is a world that's full of people who use their brains. School would have to be good, of course, with lessons that educate the mind and not indoctrination. If people use their brains, this world would be full of smart people and very close to my ideal.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist's Prayer by budaatum: 10:42pm On Mar 26, 2019

HappyPagan:
Love this. Remind me of one I wrote for Programmers...

Really cool. And acknowledges the brains failings too... At least, the brain wont kill us for not worshipping it.

1000^th post

Foreign Affairs › Re: Muslims Begin To Demand For Sharia Law In London (pic) by budaatum: 8:59pm On Mar 26, 2019

HigherEd:
you think Christianity and Islam are the same. You must be joking...

Not quite. Londoners are the same though. We took off the head of a whole King who wanted to impose on us the people, and we tore down churches when they too tried it, or have you not heard of King Henry VIII and his new fuq?

We would gladly do the same with anyone who tries to impose on us, and can elect Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan because we have nothing to fear.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Your Help With This Question. It's Urgent. by budaatum: 2:52pm On Mar 26, 2019

In an era of heightened hostility towards Muslims, it's worth repeating that women from Islamic regions can hold positions of power and work and live modern lives This week, in the aftermath of the devastating terrorist attack on a mosque in New Zealand, five Birmingham mosques have been vandalised. Clearly, Britain and the rest of the west’s scepticism of Islam has grown considerably in recent years. Sharia (”the way” in Arabic), is interpreted in many ways around the world.

In some cases, it is used in undeniably oppressive ways, yet my conversations with these women demonstrate a more complex reality. It should go without saying, but women of Islamic republics are educated, hold positions of power, work and live modern lives. Freedom from religion is not necessarily the antidote to oppression. Instead, we should be encouraging the ways in which freedom of religion can overcome inequality. These women, like countless others we don’t always hear from, are helping along the growing understanding that not all women of Islamic republics are silent.

How women from Islamic republics fight gender inequality all over the world

Foreign Affairs › Re: Muslims Begin To Demand For Sharia Law In London (pic) by budaatum: 1:38pm On Mar 26, 2019

You very funny, op. It's London, yeah. Even Christians can't impose Christianity so I wonder how Muslims could possibly fair any better.

#fakenews!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do You Think You Are A Sane Christian? all christians are occultic and insan by budaatum: 1:07pm On Mar 26, 2019

HardMirror:
I read comments from nairalanders and i cant but shake my head because they think their own version of christianity is good.

You are all crazy.

This is true! If I go about thinking my version of humanity is good and other peoples' is no good, I am going to go to hell before those I judge. For Christianity that is good ought to include "[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A1-3&version=KJV]judge not[/url]", "[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22%3A36-40&version=KJV]love my neighbours[/url]", "[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A9-14&version=NKJV]O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner[/url]", and "Lord forgive me, because it would appear that I am very ignorant indeed", to say the least, and if it doesn't, then spiritually speaking, I eat "raw meat", and "raw life snake" and I'm "ridden like donkey by pastor" and my "breasts, along with my God given mind, are being grabbed", but not by God as I might think, but by Satan by whom I must be being deceived that I am righteous when the truth is that I am truly wretched but ignorantly haven't got a clue how truly wretched I might actually be.

Politics › Re: Lawyer Who Made Adeleke Win At Tribunal Is Most Powerful Freemason In Nigeria(pi by budaatum: 12:38pm On Mar 26, 2019

Gandollar:
Thanks bro. Though I thought it would be a purely religious thread. Thanks.

Modified.
Ok I got it now. Thanks bro

Ask questions and op will respond.

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Politics › Re: Lawyer Who Made Adeleke Win At Tribunal Is Most Powerful Freemason In Nigeria(pi by budaatum: 12:07pm On Mar 26, 2019

MORALS AND DOGMA

OF THE

ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED SCOTTISH RITE
OF

FREEMASONRY

PREPARED FOR THE

SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE THIRTY-THIRD DEGREE

FOR THE

SOUTHERN JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES

Note that that last bit means the world!

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