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happney65:
I have said it over and over again,kindly produce evidence of his stealing..Is that too hard to do?Buhari the dumb guy is in power why cant he prosecute him?You guys sha like passing the blame with lies and propaganda..Prosecute Atiku and GEJ,No they wont..They will only be running about the bush with lies and propaganda..

Was it not under Buhari Abdulrasheed Maina that ran away under GEJ came back into office?Just imagine that effrontery..Abacha's money that is being refunded is being re looted by buhari and his Gang of 40thieves..I thought Mr Buhari the Saint said Abacha wasnt corrupt..
Buhari who said he has 150Gay cows has all his kids abroad..His son go injured in a power bike accident and got treated abroad..Ohh how poor buhari is

Trump is still being investigated after about 2 years and for now we dont know if he colluded with russia or not,until evidence is produced he is innocent..Kindly produce evidences of Atiku's stealing..You cant,expect to throw blames..Just like trumpsters do..

Prosecute Atiku and GEJ is like asking Trump to prosecute Hillary! Surely you have wondered why it doesn't work that way? Or was there not a "lock her up" at one time? Or you admitting the "lock her up" guy too was doing a Buhari?

I'd like to ask you for evidence of Buhari's looting, but doubt you can and expect you to inundate me with a lot of baseless unverified hearsay. I'd rather not take that chance with Atiku, thank you very much. And I assure you that if it is truly found that Buhari is mr no-intergrity as you claim, the truth will out. We will gladly be able to call it Buharism, and we Nigerians will never fall for such crap ever again!

XxSabrinaxX:
I'm aware some atheists can be hypocrites. I didn't phrase the question properly the first time. I, however don't think there is hypocrisy in the idea of "atheism". Correct me if i'm wrong.

I like that! The idea of "atheism". Which idea exactly? Mine? Vaxx's? Op's? Your's? Tintingz? Or have you missed how we, atheists all, can't agree on what the 'idea of atheism' is on this one thread?

Hypocrisy is a human flaw found in all human beings. In order not to commit that flaw, one must always be on guard least it creeps in while one ain't on guard. And even then, out of sheer ignorance alone, one can be guilty of it.

I'll mention you to one of my guilty as charged posts when I find one.

tintingz:
Atheism is simply LACK OF BELIEF in the existence God/s.

Yet despite op already mentioning, you still claim its the above?

I suggest yo do not disregard vaxx's link.

Therefore, in philosophy at least, atheism should be construed as the proposition that God does not exist (or, more broadly, the proposition that there are no gods).

Bacteriologist:
Or you're simply pulling horseshit from your ass and making another thoughtless generalisation?

Like a lot of theist would do, I daresay.

wirinet:
There is no onus on the Dems, the Dems will simply maintain their stance, the three weeks will elapse, and Trump either order another shut down or declare Emergency. If he declares emergency, the Dems would go to court and the lower courts will render the emergency illegal, null and void. If trump insists on appealing all the way to the supreme Court, the supreme Court might give him some reprieve, but he will not get close to what he wants, just like the travel ban. It would take close to 8 months to a year to get all the way to the supreme Court and get a ruling, by then the general elections would be down the corner and the damage to his poll numbers would have been complete.

And that, in short, is democracy working in a sane country!

XxSabrinaxX:
I dont understand why we're trying to dissect atheism here. Atheism is simply a label that indicates that the person does not practice theism, or that the person is not a theist. He/she is an A-theist
Atheism makes no claims in itself. It must have emerged when a skeptical person heard another person make the dogmatic claim "a god exists"
It's based on not believing everything you're told; being skeptical. You're skeptical about lots of ideas and claims that you encounter every day. I've applied this skepticism to things your parents and grandparents called "unquestionable."
I didn't "want to become" an atheist, I just have an open mind and understand what the word atheist means.

Hmm. So if I don't go to church on Sunday, I am an atheist, or not a theist? I disagree. Or shall I say, not good enough for me!

I am an atheist. I am an atheist because there are no gods apart from those cooked up in the minds of those who believe in them. Gods only exist as figments of the imaginations in the mind.

happney65:
Ahahahahahahahaha,,And there you go..Atiku's corruption is like Buhari's Intergrity,we cant see it..Tell me which court of Law in Nigeria has found him guilty of corruption?Please tell me one?You all said he cant enter the US,He did..Another one please?Together with his Boss they established the EFCC and ICPC,Agencies that fought corruption and other financial crimes tooth and nail.The first time in the history of our country since 1960

It was under him as VP that we improved on all corruption indices and the whole world applauded us..These are Facts and not hearsay o..Real Facts..

Lest I forget,If you live in Nigeria,It was during his tenure that what you use to propagate propaganda for the dead skull Buhari came into being..The Telecommunication Revolution.. Once again these are facts and not propaganda like buhari and his band of 40thieves do..

Btw,Where is Abudlrasheed Maina?Why is corrupt Babachir Lawal a part of Buhari's campaign team?Ohh what about govornor Ganduje of Kano seen on live camera accepting bribes..What did saint buhari say?he said he does not believe it and does not know the type of technology used..

When I talk with Buharists I talk with facts..

Wait o,But Atiku was with Buhari the last time,we never heard he was corrupt then isnt it?so it is now that he is corrupt?You people are pretty funny sha

That's like claiming Jonathan was not a crook because EFCC never arrested him, lol! Who would you blame for all the theft of Nigerian money in ghanasmustgoes that went on under him? Do you hear any ghanas going anywhere under Buhari? Oh, I get it, he alone is stealing and no one is providing any evidence, right?

Thing is, Atiku's policies are enough for me to be against him. Take privatisation on NNPC, what I call the goose that lays the golden egg. Money people would love him to do that so they can buy it. Or is that not exactly what happened to the parastatals he was responsible for privatising when he was vp? And what exactly happened to those paras? Where they not asset stripped?

We fortunately live in a democracy. I don't like Atiku, and you don't like my bubu, but it's our pvcs that do the talking in the end. My hope is come Feb 16, mine is more powerful than yours, inshallah!

XxSabrinaxX:
Edit: Do you think there's hypocrisy in atheism, budatuum?

Take the idea called the big bang. An atheist would claim no god created the heavens and the earth because she sees no evidence for such a claim, then he insists there was a bang that was big. Is that not hypocrisy? Does the atheist really know there was a bang and that it was big some billion years ago? Does the hypocritical atheist not see that she quotes from her own 'Bible' (canon, knowledge, choose to believes) in making such an ignorant claim?

A non-hypocritical atheist would simply state that the evidence suggests that the earth is billion years old and all of the known verifiable and somewhat valid evidence is less that 20,000 years old. Stating how a billions of years old universe came into existence is speculation no different to God done it in 6 days, and if the atheist is condemning the 6 day theory with a bang that was big, I am a hypocrite atheist!!

XxSabrinaxX:
Can hypocrisy exist among atheists, budatuum?

Of course it can! To claim it can't would be like claiming atheists cannot lie, or be rude and obnoxious. Hypocrisy is a human thing! We are all capable of it.

Bacteriologist:
...Then where is the "Foundational rule of atheism" nonsense coming from?

You do understand that there are no set "rules" stated in atheism? Save for that included in the actual definition? Then why are you making up baseless premises when you know exactly what atheism is on about?

I am including my "thou shalt not bear false witness" in an actual definition of atheism. If one makes up things one has no evidence for and calls them the truth, then it is my opinion that such a person is only an atheist in name, just as one would be a Christian in name only if one steals, murders, and covets one's neighbour's goods.

Bacteriologist:
Because there are people who think it's okay to trample on basic human rights of others based on doctrines

Especially unverified ones, as in, things there is no evidence for.

Bacteriologist:
•There are people who believe children should be taught fairy tales in school instead of facts and people who think it's okay to try and heal their child with prayers instead of seeking medical attention even if it means the child dies.

Atheists should not teach false claims, which you define here as "fairy tales".

Bacteriologist:
•There are people who believe witchcraft is real and grounds for torturing someone to death and there are people who horrifically abuse and beat their children sometimes to death believing they are possessed by demons.

Atheists should definitely not believe, propagate or act on such nonsense!

Bacteriologist:
•There are genital mutilations of both sexes, public stonings and flogging, brutal honorary killings, battery acid attacks, little girls who get set on fire or shot in the face and millions of other atrocities and indecencies carried out everyday by people in the name of archaic, bullshit doctrines and imaginary gods.

Atheists should definitely not create imaginary gods, nor should they do things in the name of archaic, bullshit doctrines and imaginary gods

Bacteriologist:
THIS IS WHY I ACTIVELY SPEAK OUT AGAINST RELIGION. I CHOOSE TO BE A DECENT, SANE AND MORAL PERSON WHO IS MORE CONCERNED WITH THE WELFARE OF MY FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS THAN I AM ABOUT "HURTING THE FEELINGS" OF PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN UTTER NONSENSE.

And atheists should choose not to BELIEVE IN UTTER NONSENSE!

I insist that the above is summarised as "atheists should not bear false witness", and for you, I'm inclined to add that, thou shalt not be rude and obnoxious, except that you are free to be so if that's your desire.

Elder0001:
It cost us your brain

You no longer have one

What's that thing in my head that makes you swoon in stupidity again? I swear I thought it was my brain!

You still haven't said how I am an enemy of democracy by the way.

Bacteriologist:
"Foundational rule of atheism?"

What's that laughable hogwash you just typed? Did you even read the OP? Or are you deliberately being a pain in the butt?

Again, ATHEISM IS THE COMPLETE LACK OF BELIEF IN ALL 4200+ GODS, GODDESSES AND DEITIES. NO MORE NO LESS.


Why is a simple definition so hard for supposed grown ups to internalise? Jesus Fūcking Christ?!

Surely, there has to be something that makes one qualify as an atheist? And should it not be to not make claims there's no evidence for? Or is it to be rude and obnoxious like you're being?

I insist, atheists must not make claims they have no evidence for. If one does, then you're simply a believer, the opposite, I say, of atheist, according to your very own definition!

Bacteriologist:
The fact that SOME Atheists lie about the inquisition doesn't make it less gruesome than it was. What's your point?

Belief in religious context refers to "faith." Which is an "evidence" of things not seen.

Atheists rely on concrete evidence and verifiable proof. One which no religion including yours since the beginning of time has never been able to provide.

Don't forget to stress that the foundational rule of atheism is "thou shalt not bear false witness".

How much did the five-week shutdown cost the United States economy?

Elder0001:
You’re an enemy of democracy.

How so?

vaxx:
ORUNMILA wi eniyan ni dorisha

Exactly!

vaxx:
The only way to truly not believe anything is to live your life knowing that you truly know nothing at all. This includes the possibility that vaxx or budaatum might be god. There are some atheists who strive to live this way( most of your atheism conviction suggest that)but there are others who do not. And those that do generally don't identify as atheists, or anything for that matter. So it depends.

This does depend on one's definition of "god". I for instance reckon you and everyone else on here are 'gods'. I'd even go as far as claiming I try to 'worship' you (hold you in high esteem and regard). But that does not man I bow down to anyone or delude myself that anyone of us created the heavens and the earth or Adam and Eve, nor is it a requisite for godness. Jesus did not after all create any earths or heavens or Adams or Eves. But I hold it as a truth that each and every one of us can do so much more than Jesus did, including healing the sick, curing the blind, raising the dead, feeding the poor and so on. Doctors do the first few and you do the last all the time on here.

Funny enough, Jesus thought me this when it is written he said, " know ye not that ye are gods?" In my version I hear, "know that these are the gods". Or how else does one regard the mud that God is said to have breathed life into? I sometimes wish the gods had created buda a theist instead of an atheist. I would become a pastor to that mud!

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!

THE ANCIENT GREEKS RECOGNIZED TWELVE TYPES OF LOVE: THE OYINBOS WHO TRANSLATED THE NEW TESTAMENT ONLY RECOGNIZED ONE.

Educate me please somebody. I only found 8

What Is Atheism?

I'd delete the "belief" bits if posting it today.

Elder0001:
I can’t wait for the tribalistic coward in Abuja to be flushed out next month so that I can return to my base.

And Athiefu become president of Nigeria? The gods forbid bad thing. I'd have to spend the next four years trying to bring him down! I swear to even give Trump, whom I detest with all my being, 4 more years in place of a day for that band of athiefucrooks!

vaxx:
Not going to debate that anyway.. but i am talking of a statement of conviction.

Dang, you busted me! You know I'm just yanking your mind because I missed you.

vaxx:
God bless you for this statement. i wonder why they should use the word atheist to qualify themselves.

budaatum you might really be the only true atheist on nairaland

Lol I'm so honoured! Though, by some of my posts, some might think I'm a Christian Atheist.

To be honest, some don't know the meaning of the words they use to describe themselves. Imagine an atheist claiming they don't believe gods exist, or believing in a big bang for that matter. If I were a theist, I'd call such people fools for thinking the nonsense they decide to hold in their heads makes the gods go bang because they believe!

vaxx:
Atheists are people who declare themselves atheists.

That's not true! Remember the 70 something year old man who said he was 30 and the black girl who said she was caucasian? If I recall correctly, you called her deluded, and I bet if I put on my skirt, wear my bra, stick on high heels and call myself a man you'd tell me I'm deluded too or call me Bobriskyman, but many will still not let me in a toilet with their sons or throw me in jail with proper men for fear I might rape them.

One may declare oneself anything one wants to but that don't mean one is one.

vaxx:
lets start from here, what does it mean when some atheist says , i don't know if there is God?

It means they are not atheists. They are agnostics.

DLondonboiy:
Buhari doesn't want election to hold in Rivers state..

Buhari is just a devil...

Buhari went to Oyigbo Lga in Rivers State to burn down INEC office, ba?

Ihedinobi3:
And right there you make the antichristian's argument for him.

Call it what you will. The Bible is the written Word of God. Jesus is the Word of God Himself. There is neither reducing nor elevating happening.

But the Bible is not God. Or is it?

Have we finally moved on to a Quarternity?

happney65:
Is he a Buharist?

Yes I am.

FatherCHRISTMAS:
God has his reasons? What happened to making people convinient in their dire time of need.

It's a pity when people turn what is written in the Bible on it's head! Where does it say God will do things for you? Could God not have saved the Israelites from the Egyptians? Yet, God gave the job to Moses instead!

Stop with the praying and fasting and get off your ass instead of blaming gods for your own predicament!

Niflheim:
@op,
How much money has god collected ......?

Nothing, zero, zilch!

Niflheim:
Where is all the money going to?

Definitely not to gods! But try Bel and the Dragon for a clue.

If only Venezuela had learnt from Sai Bubu Venezuelans would not be starving today!


(Some of the things op listed are lies by the way, and he did quite a lot more that op fails to mention.)

Justcash:
1) Sudden Implementation of Treasury Single Account (TSA)- This policy threw the banking and financial sector into turmoil as huge sums were swept out of banks and dormantly stashed into a preferred safe.

2) Tightening of Foreign Exchange Transactions- This policy made it difficult to make foreign exchange, and threw thriving businesses into turmoil which led to massive sacking of workers and manufacturing slowdown.

3) Unguarded Utterances During Foreign Trips- The president made several unguarded utterances that gave the impression that Nigeria was headed for the rocks. This made foreign investors hesitant about coming into Nigeria, and encouraged those that were already in Nigeria to speculate and pull out funds.

4) Halting of Important Projects in the Niger Delta- Buhari moved to remove majority of the projects that were created to provide tangible benefits to Niger-Deltans. For example, the Maritime University and Pipeline protection projects. Though, some of these projects were condemned by Nigerians, they kept the Niger-Delta at peace and allowed for the maximization of the benefits from petroleum exports.

5) Buhari's Northern Developmental Focus in Nigeria- The developmental aim of the president is very much skewed towards Northern Nigeria than every other part. So, he is more like kick starting a new economic focus, while dumping existing economic strengths. For example, he is devoting billions of dollars to search for petroleum in the North when Nigeria does not have functional refineries to ensure adequate availability of petroleum products that are already being produced in the South.

6) Elimination of All the Policies Made by PDP- it is on record that even though PDP led governments were corrupt, they made some major strides in diversifying Nigeria's economy. For example, Agricultural export came to life under PDP. Buhari has focused on bedeviling and antagonizing every single policy made by the PDP. In the process, he has thrown out good policies and progress that were made in the past. He is almost starting afresh, and this has rebooted Nigeria and thrown us years backwards.

7) Preference for Violence over Dialogue- Buhari prefers to use military force to quell civil strife. This approach ignites more protests and civil disobedience. An economy cannot experience progress in violent conditions. Even Lagos and Ogun axis has experienced an open show of military bombardment, which scares a heck out of investors. The same is true about the production shut ins in the Niger Delta region. Some of these issues can be solved with dialogue and with police actions than full scale military assaults.

Pocoloco:
Greetings to everyone here.I believe most of you here are familiar with the political crisis going on in Venezuela as the opposition candidate decides to swear himself in as the country's leader with the support of the US and other countries against the country's elected leader Maduro which Russia,China and other countries are supporting.Now assuming after the election and Buhari happens to be elected as the president and after that atiku decides to swear himself in as the country's president do you think the US will consider Buhari as an illegitime leader and endorse Atiku instead?

Go read up on Venezuela. It is not the equivalent of Atiku who took over! Juan Guaidó is the 35-year-old leader of Venezuela’s opposition-controlled national assembly. Effectively, he is the equivalent of defected Saraki, Mr O To Ge!

Now you just imagine how Nigerians would react if Saraki could possibly kick out Buhari. Going by us here on NL, I predict we would be shooting each other already! And I doubt any nation would endorse him anyway.