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Politics › Re: Breaking News: Fayemi Affirm As Ekiti Governor At Tribunal by budaatum: 3:49pm On Jan 28, 2019
amaechi1:
Please, PDP rush to appeal court and subsequently Supreme court. But, remember your Judgement for cash Judge is out of service for now.
Lol!
Politics › Re: Breaking: President Buhari Receives Rev. Fr. Mbaka In Aso Rock. by budaatum: 3:42pm On Jan 28, 2019
God For Sale!

Having not being given harvest money by Obi, Mbaka turns to Buhari instead!
Politics › Re: Heavy Protest Rocks Lagos Over Onnoghen As Nigerians Hail Buhari’s Courage by budaatum: 3:37pm On Jan 28, 2019
SalamRushdie:
Well the constitution didn't react to paid protest but facts.. If you like dance and protest from here to Saudi Arabia Buhari has no such powers ... The Judiciary is like the Vagina it's self cleaning and required zero interference to remain stable and any forced input from outside amounts to stench
Really? You don't wash yours regularly?

My nose is covered!
Politics › Re: See The Suspended Cjns Letter Admitting Guilt, Claiming Ignorance by budaatum: 3:25pm On Jan 28, 2019
Tetehjewels:
You seem to be ignorant of a lot.

He admitted to not declaring some of his assets by virtues of forgetfulness.

He never corrected the said assets which he first declared.

If he did, there would be no need for all this brouhaha.

In his own writing he admitted this and you still want to say nonsense?
I couldn't bother responding to id911 misunderstanding of the constitution quoted. Thank you for responding as I would have loved to.
Politics › Re: BREAKING: Police Seal Off CJN Onnoghen’s Office, Eject Administrative Staff by budaatum: 3:20pm On Jan 28, 2019
richidinho:
so he has no right to explain how he got the money?
Is it not the non-exercise of that right, a duty sef, that got him in trouble? Now he's claiming ignorance of the law!

That ignorance is enough to show he's incompetent for the post he holds!
Foreign Affairs › Re: Gofundme Raised 2.4million$ For Trumpwall Within 3days by budaatum: 1:49pm On Jan 28, 2019
Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Taking Up Religion. by budaatum(op):
DeSepiero:
Are you a mason?
A level squared non-card carrying builder, amongst lots of other things.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 11:35am On Jan 28, 2019
9inches:
Is that not what each of the 33,000 denominations do or claim to do - interpreting parts of the bible out of context? You think you can understand it all without being taught?
Taught? Or brainwashed?

It's a book 9. Written in a language I understand. I don't need anyone to interpret it to me as you can very well see. God sent the Holy Spirit to assist so I should not be needing some Pharisaic priest to fill my head with nonsense.
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:12pm On Jan 27, 2019
basilico:
The Clinton campaign created Russian collision and are using it to take down Trump. With media help , DOJ ,FBI etc the narrative thrives on and impeachment is swanky to liberals here.
O have feeling this will backfire badly on the Democrats with many spending time in jail in due time.
Peter Strozyk the smirking counter intelligence director said he will stop Trump and he also texted about an insurance policy.
James Comey the moral FBI director said Clinton did not handle classified info intentionally.
He had written an acquittal long before Hillary,Cherly Mills, Huma Abedin, were interviewed. Cherryl Mills was even allowed into the interview as Hillary's attorney while she was deeply involved in her home brewn server.James Comey said it's possible that some third party players hacked into her server.
The truth. In congressional hearing it was revealed that all emails sent to and received from her clintonemail.com had been copied to a Chinese address. Hacked.
The media can never say this because Obama administration was scandal free.And she was the chosen one.
That's why you see all this downplay of Clinton misdeeds, With the FBI sure she would win and all this corruption forgotten.
I'm sure there's enough here for a Trump led administration to lock her up or at least mount an investigation. If only Trump had won the election and was Potus in 2019 I guess.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Point Of Life In Christianity Doesn't Make Sense by budaatum: 3:42pm On Jan 27, 2019
futurist369:
yeah, I really don't understand the answers.... My determination to know the truth is getting stronger every day
You don't understand because you choose not to understand, but when your determination to know the truth is strong enough, your eyes will open and you shall see.

I shall not continue with you here as it derails the thread.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Taking Up Religion. by budaatum(op): 3:39pm On Jan 27, 2019
futurist369:
I've read almost everything about Buddha, from the three sighting to d bodhi tree...... I thought I was going to get help here
That's not possible! You have not read Hess, for starts! It's a pity you refuse the help you are given.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Taking Up Religion. by budaatum(op): 3:36pm On Jan 27, 2019
futurist369:
so you were once at my stage?
We are all at your stage, seeking enlightenment!
Christianity Etc › Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 3:35pm On Jan 27, 2019
9inches:
You're almost there. Would you now start looking into and paying attention to Catholic teachings/interpretations whenever you are looking for anything Christianity?
Almost where?

When I want to learn about Christianity, I go to the Gospels of Christ and to the Spirit of God that is within because he advised me to do so and not go looking here and there!
Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Taking Up Religion. by budaatum(op): 3:13pm On Jan 27, 2019
futurist369:
You don't know what it means to wake up and having the question "who am i" lingering in your head
Yes I do! And probably for more years than you have breathed air!
Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Taking Up Religion. by budaatum(op): 3:11pm On Jan 27, 2019
futurist369:
when d Buddha himself wanted to search for d cause for suffering........he received help, I came here for help......
The Buddha got no help! He went out searching just as you are! You may want to read about the journey of Siddartha to Buddhahood. Below is a book that shows his journey along his path to enlightenment.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Taking Up Religion. by budaatum(op): 3:02pm On Jan 27, 2019
futurist369:
No answers that's y am here..... Now are you gonna help me or not
Na, I'm not going to help you. I'm going to let you go and help yourself. You sound more than capable.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Taking Up Religion. by budaatum(op): 2:54pm On Jan 27, 2019
futurist369:
it simply means I have made my intentions known to the universe.... I actually don't know the path... I opened this account to talk to 963AvatarSpirit.... I really need him
You, one of about 8 billion other humans, made your intentions known to the whole universe! I'm intrigued.
How did the universe respond once it was made aware of your intentions?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Point Of Life In Christianity Doesn't Make Sense by budaatum: 2:51pm On Jan 27, 2019
futurist369:
pls what is consciousness... I've Google it but the answers aren't satisfactory
The answers aren't satisfactory, or you don't understand the answers?

I advise you make it the latter and work at making the answers satisfactory.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Taking Up Religion. by budaatum(op): 2:48pm On Jan 27, 2019
futurist369:
budatum pls am on the path of self realization, but I have no guide..... Pls help me
What is the "the path of self realization"?
What exactly do you mean when you say it?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Point Of Life In Christianity Doesn't Make Sense by budaatum: 2:34pm On Jan 27, 2019
Vic2Ree:
In Christianity, the meaning of life is rooted in faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ. However, the proposition is not without serious problems.
Hmm. That's rather simplistic I think. Especially the use of words "live, faith, gospel, eternal life", and even 'Jesus Christ', words that have become so multimeaningful!

Consider the following, "The Christian purpose for living is rooted in the teachings of Jesus Christ," which he summarised as "love". Now tell, what exactly is the problem with that?

Vic2Ree:
1. First, if this is the purpose of creation and the precondition for eternal life, why was it not taught by the prophets to all the nations of the world?
Based on my above comment, that "The Christian purpose for living is rooted in the teachings of Jesus Christ", It has been taught by prophets to all nations of the world.

Seven Important Lessons from World Religions Everyone Should Know

Vic2Ree:
2. Second, had God turned into man close to the time of Adam all mankind would have had an equal chance to eternal life, unless those before the time of Jesus had another purpose for their existence!
Eternal life could have meant three score and ten in times when the average lifespan was less than 40 years. And 'God' has taken on a human presence so all humans have an equal chance of a living!

The question "What is God?" Would however need to be addressed before this is understood. I might go back to that thread once I've heard from the Holy Ghosts.

Vic2Ree:
3. Third, how can people today who have not heard of Jesus fulfill the Christian purpose of creation? Naturally, such a purpose is too narrow and goes against divine justice.
Remember my multimeaningful at the beginning where I included Christ? Consider the following Gospel of Christ which I summarise below:

The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works before his deeds of old; I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be. I was constantly at his side filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, in his whole world and delighting in mankind. “Now then, my children, listen to me; blessed are those who keep my ways.

Everyone has heard of 'Jesus Christ'. 'He' stands at the highest point raising her voice calling out to all humans, "You who are simple, gain prudence; you who are foolish, set your hearts on it."

Now tell if it is not true that whosoever understandeth what is being said here will be live with a better life?
Christianity Etc › Re: Your Beliefs by budaatum: 1:31pm On Jan 27, 2019
9inches:
Am I right to say this particular interpretation made the most sense (most rational) to you?
Do you mean the interpretation that makes works paramount? Then yes.

Christ gave two laws. Love your God and love your neighbour. That word 'love' means work, to me. I'll park the love God for now since same Christ said worry not about the Father in heaven whom one sees not, and the Priest and the Levite who did, he implied they had done wrong.

When I love my neighbour, I have to get out my bed in the morning (work) and go and ensure they are alright (more work). I have to concern myself with the state of my community - are the gutters full and breeding mosquitoes, is that pothole filled so the feeble don't trip, is the noise from my generator keeping people up at night, the person beaten by thieves I must take to the hospital, ensure good government and so on. Besides, God said "work in the garden" to Adam, and not, "just have faith". Even reading the Bible is work!

The doctrine of faith is misapplied, in my opinion. I believe that what is meant is "have faith that your labour will bear fruit". All the evidence I have seen suggests this to be true.
Christianity Etc › Re: How TB Joshua Prophesied About The Venezuela Coup In 2016!!! by budaatum: 1:28am On Jan 27, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
I concur that making a livelihood directly and/or indirectly through him and then having money without brain cells is dangerous. He is not the only fuqer that causes traffic on the road, stopping others from going out to when they want to. Have you tried going to Orolu kingdom via Lagos-Ibadan Expressway when the Holy Ghost or Shiloh conventions is going on?
Yes I have. Took me 12 hours to get from Lagos to Ibadan once so now I check their program before travelling and always travel early in the morning before the holy ghost wakes up!

The government should tax those orgs to pay for road maintenance!
Christianity Etc › Re: How TB Joshua Prophesied About The Venezuela Coup In 2016!!! by budaatum: 12:25am On Jan 27, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
I concur completely with you but then you can't deny the fact that financial wise, state and sundry benefit from tourism to his organisation
I don't! The fuqer just causes traffic on the road stopping me from going out when I want to. And the loss of brain cells he engenders is a greater financial lose that far outweighs any benefits, in my likely biased opinion.
Christianity Etc › Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum:
Amujale:
@budaatum what do you like about Africa?
The sunshine, free power from the heavens that we still haven't worked out to use yet! And you, or rather, us! Because though we disagree on the details, I know we are sleeping giants who will awaken someday.

I look out my window and see solar panels on just about every building in a nation that has sunshine 3 months in a year. See the weather in picture today. No sunshine. Clouds like those that precede a thunderstorm in my Orolu Kingdom. And it will be not much different till sometime in May. And then I think of my beloved Africa, so blessed with resources, human most especially, and sunshine all year round that we haven't figured to use yet and so live in the dark. I spoke to ma earlier and she complained how hot it is in the Orolu Kingdom while I have to pay lots of money so I don't freeze to death!

I'm filled with hope for the future because I know for certain that we are waking up and freeing ourselves from the shackles of ignorance we bind ourselves with. It will be a spectacle the likes to blow ones mind and I just hope I live long enough to see it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 11:59pm On Jan 26, 2019
Amujale:
You need to learn or read more on African history. Ignorance is not an excuse in 2019.
I'd say the same to you. I'd go as far as advocating you try to understand too, but expect it to fly right over your head!

Amujale:
The Atlantic Slavetrade was a making primarily of Arabs and Europeans; yes some Africans are implicated too but the blame lies squarely on the Arabs and Europeans.
Really? "Africans are implicated too", but its not our fault that we sold ourselves? What about African slavery in general, which predated the Atlantic and Arab trade? Were Martians selling or buying us then, or is it your claim that we Africans never enslaved and sold one another to each other before the Arabs and Europeans arrived?

Amujale:
The Europeans came to Africa, stole her precious stones, copied her precious text, jumbled it up and created a Jesus story to help subjugate their crazy campaigns; i.e crusades & holy wars.
Really? What text? Weren't they reading before Jesus? Why didn't we jumble up our own texts and use it to subjugate others? And what stones? The little they took from you in antiquity? Or the billions in dollars worth they've taken in the past one hundred years?

I wonder what we Africans were doing when foreigners turned up on our soil, stole our texts and jumbled them up to subjugate others and dig up our precious stones and cart them off to their foreign land. Might it be that we were too busy being dim and never knew they were precious perhaps! Or don't we know how to jumble? Those bloody Arabs and Europeans! Smart enough to steal from us and make their lands heaven while we, the stolen from, can't seem to make much of what we have and live in hell!

Amujale:
The Arabs came to Africa, stole her precious stones, copied her precious text, jumbled it up and created Islam to help subjugate their crazy campaigns; i.e. crusades & holy wars.
Really? There were no books before then? Sorry man, but I don't think I can go on with this anymore. The facts are that text and knowledge was never the preserve of any one race. The Egyptians themselves knew this and stocked up the great library in Alexandria by confisticating any written text brought into the city, copying it, keeping the original and letting the owner keep the copy while we kept their original. Those bloody thieving Europeans and Arabs stealing our precious texts and precious stones!

Egyptian early writing is the hieroglyphs seen on ancient walls. But even way back before Christ, the occupants of the area claimed aliens from out of space wrote it and never taught them to read it. I bet you there's quite a lot of information in those glyphs, but who deciphered them? Your Europeans, who came, did the work and learnt what they meant while the African insisted they were written by aliens from out of space because that's what they'd been told by their African forefathers. Rather than learn from those texts, we decided to make gods of them and bow down to worship them! And you stand there blaming those who saw value, which we seem blind to in what belonged to us!

Same happens today. In Europe, everyone knows the Bible comes off a printing press, and Jesus very likely came out of jumbled up texts from Africa. But go to Africa and they'd tell you some gods wrote it and it should be bowed to and worshipped, and if an European were to arrive in Africa and tell us they wrote it and not the gods, don't we call them satanists, and heathens, and atheists, and they are going to hell? Yet you want to blame the Europeans for such African ignorance when it is we Africans condemning each other for not believing in some god brought to us 500 years ago by Europeans who have abandoned such childish ways. The same text they read and built monuments to and went on to develop light so you can see in the dark, vessels so you can travel long distances in rather short times and go as far as the moon and Mars, and devices so you can throw your voice over long distances to tell me to go read some more!

I blame we Africans for being so naive to believe such tripe and not see value in what belonged to Africa! And I do so because I like to take responsibility for what happens to me rather than lament the fact that my oppressors are not kinder. I don't expect them to be kind, history does not suggest they would ever be kind, so I make sure I'm not stupid enough to fall for their trickery. And so I can resist them even more, I learn their ways too. After all, it benefits one to know one's enemy, though to be honest, they aren't so much ones enemies so much more than we are the enemies of ourselves, as I'm gathering from conversing with you!

We are far behind quite a lot of the world because we don't steal, or at least, don't learn from the rest of the world. One just need go around our education institutions and compare with the West, or talk to you in fact, to know how far behind we are. Shutting in and trying to invent wheels just ain't going to cut it. Nor is the world waiting for you to catch up.

When China found themselves lagging far behind the West, they didn't shut themselves away and claim they'd make up their own knowledge and invent wheels. They robbed and stole technology and knowledge from those who had it and are now the manufacturers of what you claim the West consumes. "You eat", they say, "and we'll sell you Made in China". Now go check how much America, the gluttons of the world, owe very smart China. Yet, stupid Trump is blaming China for not buying America just as you are blaming others for Africa's plight instead of asking your own people to not be so greedy and wake up and smell the coffee!

It's about responsibility. No one exploits one unless one allows them too. And we serve Africa better by understanding we create our own problems and can easily create the solution too instead of making up spurious history and blaming the Europeans and Arabs for your own backwardness! The longer you go on with the blaming, your "African dream" will remain just that, dream that's more like a nightmare you never wake up from! But don't you go away now. I got cold water in my made in Germany Bosch fridge which I'll poor on your head to wake you up because, "Ignorance is not an excuse in 2019" !
Foreign Affairs › Re: Trump Accepts Deal For Temporary End To Painful Shutdown by budaatum: 9:26pm On Jan 26, 2019
There's No Crisis at the Border That Justifies a Government Shutdown’

Breitbart


During Friday’s Democratic Weekly Address, Representative Ted Lieu (D-CA) stated that “there is no crisis at the border that justifies a government shutdown.”

Transcript as Follows:

“Hello, I’m Ted Lieu and I represent western Los Angeles County in the United States Congress. I previously served on active duty in our military because I believe America is an exceptional country, the most amazing nation in the world.

But right now, the federal government under Donald Trump is partially shut down. No civilized nation on earth shuts down its own government.

I’m going explain how we got here, how the shutdown affects you, and how we re-open government.

It’s pretty simple how we got here. In fact, it’s all captured on videotape. Last month, Trump told the American people, quote, ‘I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down.’ End quote.

No President of the United States should ever be proud of shutting down our government. But Trump carried out his threat to shut down government. And he was enabled by Republicans in the House and the Senate.

This shutdown started during a time of unified Republican control of the federal government: the White House, the Senate, and the House. Democrats inherited this shutdown from Republicans.

And the effects of the Trump Shutdown are severe, harmful, and dangerous. There are some government jobs where we want full staffing and do not want the employee to be tired, stressed out and desperate because one mistake can be fatal.

Air Traffic Controllers, who help keep the flying public safe, are not getting paid and are under increasing pressure to work multiple jobs. Or, they’ve simply to quit to get another job in order to make ends meet.

The National Air Traffic Controllers Association issued a dire warning, saying that they cannot even calculate the level of risk currently at play, nor predict the point at which their entire system will break.

As a result of the Trump Shutdown, there have been fewer food inspections, fewer inspections of planes, and the inability of the Consumer Products Commission to respond to unsafe product warnings.

The shutdown has particularly impacted the Department of Homeland Security, which is charged with keeping Americans safe.

Our Border Patrols agents, TSA personnel, and Coast Guard members are all working without pay. Some have had to use food banks to feed their family; some are working multiple jobs to make ends meet; and some will need to quit because they cannot sustain working without a paycheck.

The financial crunch doesn’t just impact federal workers. It impacts the landlords that can’t collect rent from furloughed renters; the small business owners who can’t get their permits from federal agencies; and the individuals who can’t get in touch with the IRS to work out payment plans.

The shutdown is also hurting our economy. Nearly 400 trade associations and chambers of commerce have said the shutdown is causing significant damage to families, businesses and the economy. Recently, the White House’s top economic advisor admitted that the US economy may show zero economic growth this quarter.

Now, how do we stop Trump and the Republicans from continuing to inflict harm on the American people? The Democratic position has been straightforward, consistent, and reasonable: Re-open government. Negotiate a deal.

Democrats will never allow Trump and the Republicans to use the harm of a government shutdown as a negotiating tactic. Because if we do, then Trump will do this any time he has a policy disagreement with Congress.

The position taken by Trump is, in fact, quite perverse. He is saying that his concession is to re-open government. No American President should ever be taking the federal government hostage to extract demands.

Democrats are working hard to re-open government.

The House of Representatives has voted 11 times to re-open our government.

The Republican-controlled Senate unfortunately has refused to pass any House legislation to re-open government. By failing to pass those measures, Senate Republicans are abdicating their duty as part of a co-equal branch of government.

I am also disappointed that Trump and Republicans continue to lie about basic facts. The truth is, there is no crisis at the border that justifies a government shutdown.

According to the latest data from the FBI, violent crime is down. Property crime is also down.

According to the Department of Homeland Security, border crossings are at an approximate 20-year low.

Study after study also shows that immigrants, both documented and undocumented, commit less crime than native-born Americans.

The truth is, the shutdown is not about protecting our border, it’s about Trump’s failed campaign promise. He promised Mexico will pay for his wall. He has been unable to get Mexico to pay for his wall, so he decided to take the mantle and proudly shut down our government. That is wrong, and the American people know it.

Poll after poll shows that overwhelming majorities of the American people do not support funding for a wall in the middle of a government shutdown. They support re-opening government.

Mr. President, listen to the American people. Re-open our government.”
Christianity Etc › Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 9:13pm On Jan 26, 2019
MrPresident1:
All the vermin will be punished
Christ is a vermin punisher now? Can't say I knew that. I thought Christ was a “seventy times seven times” sort of person. So little do I seem to know!
Foreign Affairs › Re: Trump Accepts Deal For Temporary End To Painful Shutdown by budaatum:
justli:
Sorry Ma, but u seem to be watching too much CNN, fake news channel. Same people who wrote him off first time. Trumps reelection is so certain.
He made a promise to the citizens and he's doing that.

The rise of the nationalist populist movement all over Europe started after Trumps emergence, and now you really think the people suddenly SO HATE him
Of course he's keeping his promise. Swamp drained, Hillary locked up, Mexico finally wrote a cheque for the wall and good ol' Amelika is great again.

Those bloody libtard haters, lol.
Christianity Etc › Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 8:58pm On Jan 26, 2019
MrPresident1:
Hope you know that Christ is watching you, and others like you?



Because they gave dogs power for only 5 minutes, dogs have turned the whole world upside down. These dogs will be brought to book.

Job 30:1
But now they that are younger than I have me in derision, whose fathers I would have disdained to have set with the dogs of my flock.
Hasn't Christ got better things to do?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:57pm On Jan 26, 2019
obixcel:
It's a smart thing to do now, he's simply putting the onus on the Dems, either they put up or shut up, either they're for border security or Not. Besides that he's giving himself more solid reason to declare Emergency (assuming The House fails again). We'll know by then.
15 February soon come. I don't mind seeing if the next chapter matches your prediction. Personally though, I think he'd be stupid to pull this again so soon. But I expect to be surprised by Trump.
Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Taking Up Religion. by budaatum(op):
Yippee! My book arrived. 90 books in one single volume! You'd think that was enough, but notes alone are like half a page with another 150 pages of essays, tables, bibliography, glossary and index tagged on at the end, and a forward to every book. No wonder many never get through the entire book. Even I wonder how I got through it the first time! And I wonder if that's the reason some turn to atheism. One, after all, can't comprehend Yahweh without reading the Yahweh book.

I reckon I'd have to start my threescore and ten all over again to get through this copy. Hopefully, I won't be using it as a door stopper!

Christianity Etc › Re: Africans May Never Recover From This Blow by budaatum: 6:41pm On Jan 26, 2019
Amujale:
The African dream is the narrative that stands on the assumption that the rest of the world is crazed with lust for materialistic things and has neglected what really matters, our relationship with (the African) God(s).
Sounds like Trumps MAGA to me. "Those immigrants are coming to take our stuff", when the truth is we are very happy to sell our stuff to them and beg them even to come buy it at discount. We even sold our own people to them! Or are you of the opinion some white people came to hunt for slaves in Africa? The truth is we drove our own people in shackles and chains to the coast where they were waiting for us. And today we are prepared to walk through deserts and swim the channel to sell ourselves in their land!

Our African gods (philosophy, ways of reasoning) are old and antiquated. They are no different to the ancient Greek and Roman gods of thunder and iron, which they were wise enough to abandon when superior gods of books turned up. And they were better of for it. Today, they are abandoning those gods of the book for the gods of their own senses (science), and are much better off still. And the new gods (ways of reasoning and seeing things), is not theirs, but belongs to all humans who are willing to learn it. And we Africans better start learning, or we will just continue to be worse off. Going backward to some glorious past that never exists is, well...........

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