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hahn:
Tell that to those who believe those books are divinely inspired

I just did. Those who care will care, and those who don't won't, but that's no reason to blame an imaginary god, or book, for an individual's ignorance.

In time, they will abandon their childish views, and if not this generation, then the next, or the one after it or the one after that, as they gradual evolve in understanding.

hahn:
Tell that to the god who decided to promote love and hate in the same book

No god decided to promote anything! Books are written by humans for humans to read. How one chooses to understand, or misunderstand it is up to the reader and not some god.

hahn:
But it's all in the Bible approved by the same god. The god of contradictions

You need to know to separate the wheat from the chaff or you'd be killing and raping your neighbours in the name of 'God'.

Amujale:
Africans has always a system of government; it just needs a few tweaks that would set to be fit the 21st century.

No Africa has never had a system of government! Almost every tribe has had its own unique system of government but it never works across whole tribes. You imposing the Yoruba system of government over the entire tribe and let me know how many Obas you'd end up with. And while you're at it, consider the constant squabbles they'd have for resources. Modakeke-Ife is a hint, along with Oyo-Ife, and my very own Orolu Kingdom with our neighbours.

Amujale:
Whatever it’s eventually associated with, democracy, communism, socialism or whatever, will be deliberated upon and chosen by Africans and not imposed ones.

We had British parliamentarism because it's what we inherited and when we didn't want it no more, we were the soldiers who imposed military rule on ourselves, and when we were fed up of guns we chose the American presidential system! None of these forms of government were imposed on us, so stop making out we are helpless and don't have a say in the matter. We do!

Amujale:
If you are not then, you should go and watch the sun rise or something else equally interesting; leave the grown- ups (Africans in general) to investigate and re-write our own history.

We are Martians aged, child.

And you are out of order!

9inches:
Okay then... But does this Catholic interpretation sound like what you've been hearing from most Christians you interact with?

Christians come in all sorts, 9, as do Catholics and lots of many other denominations, so yes, I've heard it before, though I confess it's not the majority belief of Nigerian Christians who seem to believe they are saved by their faith so can sit on their asses despite James trumping Paul with the works he does with his.

MuttleyLaff:
Lagos businesses cash in on lure of super-pastor TB Joshua.

I have property in Ikotun and know the roaring trade he does. It's however countered, in my opinion, by the nonsense he fills people's heads with. Even the traffic he generates is detrimental to the community as he congests our roads and people's heads.

And Nigeria should learn to get proper stats!

Amujale:
African historians spend the best part of their lives researching and writing African history.

What you've posted here is the equivalent of posting Genesis 1 as evidence that God done it. I strongly advise you go do some more research.

Amujale:
I see you can’t get round the fact that Africa rules the world. Don’t take it up with me. You should take it up with the ancient Egyptians.

First, it's not a fact that Africa ruled the world, it's simply your belief. No one ever ruled the whole of Africa, not to talk of the whole world! And the ancient Egyptians are not the ones on here peddling misinformation that you can't seem to provide any evidence in support.

Unfortunately, it is exactly the making of claims that are baseless that is the problem of Africa and one the more developed world, which much less than 500 years ago was in the state that Africa is in, solved by being a tad more scientific in their approach.

But I'm not taking it up with you. There are other readers who might just appreciate evidence based facts as opposed to one persons unsubstantiated made up beliefs.

MuttleyLaff:
It's not today, yansh don tay for back.
The only thing "good" about him, is the false hopes he gives to the impressionables, how his antics and organisation helps stimulates the economy

But his antics do not stimulate the economy! His antics stimulate his own pocket and keep people in poverty since he does not help them develop their minds but fills them with stupid beliefs which only make them unproductive and dependent on false hope!

Amujale:
This is the type of thought process that needs to be challenged here. Moreover, ancient Egypt is merely a part of African history.

Humanity began in Africa and its here the early civilisations are born. Civilisation does not appear in a vacuum. It’s simple logic.

All major civilisations are as a result of the influence from earlier ones.

"Began", does not mean "ruled"!

Hopefully, you read the entire thread and know that the subject in op was addressed in detail. Op made a spurious claim about some glorious past Africa which he could not provide any evidence for. You have made the same claim and expect it to be accepted because you've "been to Egypt" and seen the pyramids and claim you saw things that archaeologists who spent decades studying them missed. Yet you provide no evidence for you claim. Are you asking me to take your word for it and believe you?

I agree the data on the pyramids is not exact and any given dates for when they were built are guesstimates though not as far out as you are claiming. The earliest Pyramid is that of Djoser, which was built c. 2630–2610 BC during the Third Dynasty. It's very likely that pyramid was built on a foundation that preexisted, but there is no evidence that it goes back as far as you wish to believe. But if you do have evidence that it was built much earlier as you seem to think, then I strongly suggest you provide it, first, to educate us all (just saying it won't cut mustard, mind), and second, so you get the accolade for figuring out what others, according to you, got wrong. But even if they were built 20,000 years ago, that still does not prove Egypt ruled Africa, or the world, as you claim. And to be honest, and I think I've said this before, religion is not Africa's problem. What is the problem is the sort of religion we practise that encourages spurious claims to be made and believed by some without any evidence or proper scrutiny of the available evidence.

Your claim for Africa ruling the world is as silly as the claim that God created the heaven and earth and Adam and Eve in six days and rested on the seventh. And unfortunately, such wrong beliefs about the past promote a distorted view about that past. In the words of George Santayana-1905 "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Those who don't know of the past are much worse off. If one gets the past wrong, one is more likely to get the future wrong since they are not even aware of how they got to the present. Such ignorance is what the oppressors use to exploit people, and can be seen in Nigeria as religion has replaced well researched history.

Please read the development of the thread (if you haven't already) so you know where we've come from on the topic. While the op got some things wrong, it still has proven to be a very informative thread.

Amujale:
This is wrong, the pyramid complex at Giza is older than once thought, I am not going to pretend to be a specialist in Egyptology but I have been to visit the ancient ruins a few times and have come back to question Egyptologist about various subjects including ones relating to the Giza plateau.

I see you are more interested in Egyptology than the bigger question the OP’s asking here? And I don’t want to turn this topic into an Egyptology lesson.

According to my sources, nobody can say for certain who built the original structures on the Giza plateau, in all seriousness it was probably an unknown ancient that nobody has heard of, the latest discussion is that the earlier Kemet civilisation built the Giza complex as carbon dating
dates the early structures on their foundation more than 20,000 years ago oppose to 4,000 years once thought.

Amujale:
Who built the pyramids complex at Giza?

Based on a mark in an interior chamber naming the work gang and a reference to the fourth dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh Khufu, Egyptologists believe that the pyramid was built as a tomb over a 10- to 20-year period concluding around 2560 BC.

Now that government is back to working, the data blackout can finally be lifted and we'd know how well we did in the 4th quarter. I'm expecting some serious bad news, so don't you all forget to roast me if it turns out I'm wrong.

NPComplete:
Lol. Stupid prophecy. Venezuela has been having issues since a long time. Your pastor thought a coup was gonna happen in 2016 but it failed. Now u guys just waited for 3 years for something similar to happen then claim it is a prophecy. Clowns. Desperate clowns.

Very desperate clowns indeed. All this shows is Joshua watches international news and reads international papers. Everyone with eyes saw this coming.

Venezuela's problems started in 2008 when world finances went into crisis and demand for oil, Venezuela's main source of foreign exchange, dried up. It was exacerbated when oil prices eventually crashed in 2014 and the government found itself lacking the funds to run the country. Nigeria too was heading in the same direction but for the policies of the government which tempered it but which many do not appreciate since they seem oblivious to world news. If Jonathan had won a second term, I'm certain we'd be in the same situation since no reputable country would have trusted his government with the incessant looting going on at the time.

Nifemi2512:
So what's next now?

Be patient, wait and see.

Heres a link to some history you might want to dispute.

A History of ‘Kemet’ – Ancient Egypt

Amujale:
In my findings, I can tell you that the Europeans have not been teaching us the truth about our history.

That's no reason to fabricate lies and call it history. And perhaps you'd have to explain to me what you mean by "ruled".

Early humans migrated out of Africa about 2 million years ago and entered Europe between 1.5 million and 1 million years ago. Humans arrived in Australia probably within the past 60,000 years and to the Americas within the past 30,000 years. Egypt's first dynasty dates back to around 3150 BC with the political unification of Upper and Lower Egypt under the first pharaoh of the First Dynasty, Narmer. Essentially, Egypt only began ruling Egypt less than 5160 years ago. But lets even assume Egypt dates back to 20,000BC, for arguments sake. It still never ruled the whole of Africa at any point in eithers history. So when exactly did it rule Europe, Asia, China, the Americas and Australia which were all populated by then? Did Egypt send emissaries to the occupied world you claim it ruled to dictate laws and collect tribute from those in these far off worlds which by the transport available at the time, they'd likely never get to?

gesundheit:
Government opened and NO WALL. So much winning.

He's keeping the powder of his "very powerful alternative" dry till Feb 15, apparently.

Factfinder1:
If na Nigeria dem go loot the money den come on national TV to console the family and call on well meaning Nigerians to come to their aid I spit on this cursed country

And Nigerians will be praying instead of getting off their ass to dig tunnels!

starbuck:
God why didn't you create me in a country where life matters


I hope the kid is still alive

God, why do you not empower starbuck to make life matter in her country?

drakeli:
Forget all this your uninformed assumption. Do you even know what this trade war is all about?

Let me put it in a layman language for easy understanding. Trump started the trade war accusing China that China sends more goods to the US to get more money from the US than the US sends to China to get money from China. Meaning that China needs to stop selling only but they need to buy more US products to balance the exchange between the two countries which actually makes business sense.

How can you be selling your stuff to me and refuse to buy mine? If you sell me five stuff, I must sell you five stuff too. Period! That’s what Trump is saying. Remember Trump has been a business man all his life. That’s fair business exchange.

Why should I buy from you just because you buy from me? If your market is no good why should I spend my money in it? Is it my fault that you are greedy for my product but I'm way too smart to buy your junk?

Abeg getoutofhere! If I sell you five stuff and refuse to buy your stuff, yes do a trump. But just you remember that your supposed Made in America rolled off a manufacturing line in Shanghai. And when you don't buy, it's your Apples and soyabeans that rot!

Refs
Falling grain prices (as the charts below show) since their peak in 2012/2013 caused farm revenues to drop by approximately 50%, making it harder for farmers to cover their debt payments. The situation was exacerbated by the recent trade war that led to China slashing their imports of American soybeans, which has resulted in a soybean glut.

On Wednesday, Apple CEO Tim Cook wrote a letter to investors revising downward the company’s revenue guidance for its first fiscal quarter from an expected range of $89 billion to $93 billion to $84 billion now. While I’m not one to believe it’s the biggest of problems, there are some who say it’s the latest sign of real trouble inside Apple.

For his part, Cook acknowledged softness in the iPhone division. And he specifically said that China was largely to blame. More than 100% of Apple’s revenue decline happened in China, Cook said, and a combination of a weaker-than-expected Chinese economy and trade problems between China and the U.S. combined to create issues.

ScarletBrace:
The average US citizen thinks typically different, from what ur post insinuates. China buying a significant American company? It's even possible for you to impregnate a goat, than for that to happen.

Of course the "average US citizen thinks typically different". Many of them think China is a third world country too. And indeed US would rather not sell to China, but when the choice is sell or go bust we'd see which way they'd jump.

Here's a bold prediction for some day in the not too distant future. China buys Apple! You'd see it coming when Apple decides to list on the Shanghai Stock Exchange.

coalcity19:
Why didn't PDP finish it?

I wonder how much they budgeted for it every year too.

SaiAtikuTill203:
Buhari is an agent of destabilisation, ethnic bigot and religious fanatic who, if given the chance, would ensure the disintegration of the country. His ethnocentrism would jeopardise Nigeria’s national unityAPc supporters are worse than Ebola

Tell me about it! Ethnocentric destabilising bigoted sai bubu builds Zik mausoleum in Daura State!

You forgot to add that:

Governor Godwin Obaseki’s election, has been upheld by the Edo State Governorship Election Petition Tribunal, that sat in Benin on Friday.

Justice Ahmed Badamosi dismissed petition filed by the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) and its candidate, Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu, declaring that it lacked merit.

NgeneUkwenu:
Illiterates on parade above

THIS IS EDO STATE ELECTION PETITION TRIBUNAL, INEC DID NOT CALL ANY WITNESS.


‎Edo tribunal: INEC closes defence, tenders ward results as evidence
Published

February 20, 2017
Alexander Okere

The Independent National Electoral Commission has closed its defence in the petition filed by the Peoples Democratic Party and its candidate, Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu, at the Edo State Governorship Election Petitions Tribunal, without calling any witness.

The petitioners are challenging INEC’s declaration of the candidate of the All Progressives Congress, Godwin Obaseki, as winner of the September 28 poll and had listed them in the substantive petition as the first to third respondents, respectively.



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IN CASE YOU MISSED IT
‎Edo tribunal: INEC closes defence, tenders ward results as evidence
Published

February 20, 2017
Alexander Okere

The Independent National Electoral Commission has closed its defence in the petition filed by the Peoples Democratic Party and its candidate, Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu, at the Edo State Governorship Election Petitions Tribunal, without calling any witness.

The petitioners are challenging INEC’s declaration of the candidate of the All Progressives Congress, Godwin Obaseki, as winner of the September 28 poll and had listed them in the substantive petition as the first to third respondents, respectively.


At the resumption of hearing on Monday, counsel to INEC, Onyinye Anumonye, however, tendered no fewer than 200 copies of the ward results (Form EC8B) for the remaining 17 local government areas, all of which were admitted in evidence and marked as exhibits.

Anumonye ‎also sought to tender a supplement to the 2015 guidelines and regulation for the conduct of the election.


Counsel to the petitioners, Roland Otaru, objected to the admissibility of the document, which he said ought ‎to have been tendered by a witness at the witness box.

But the Chairman of the three-man panel, Justice Ahmed Badamasi, admitted in evidence and marked the certified true copy of the document as exhibit 1R022.

INEC had used five out of the 10 days allotted to it by the tribunal to open its defence had been expected to call its witnesses.


But its counsel said that it would amount to a waste of the tribunal’s time to call witnesses to support the case of the first respondent.

Anumonye explained that, having reviewed the evidence presented thus far, it was the position of the first respondent that it had sufficiently established a defence to the petition, through the cross-examination of the petitioners’ witnesses whose statements under cross-examination supported its case and, particularly, the documents tendered as exhibits.


“We, therefore, consider it an unnecessary waste of the tribunal’s precious time to call witnesses who would merely repeat evidences that it had already elicited under cross-examination,” he added.


https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/punchng.com/%25E2%2580%258Eedo-tribunal-inec-closes-defence-tenders-ward-results-as-evidence/amp/

helinues:
Pro pro propaganda!!

Na 10bn no be 2bn

You lie! Na 10zn!

Amujale:
According to present day historical facts, when ancient Egypt that built the pyramids ruled the world (super continent), humanity hadn’t begun to colonize anywhere else. There was no humans living in the areas of the Americas, Europe, Asia or Australasia.

First, what do you mean by "super continent" ? Is it anything like the "then world" of frosbel2?

The evidence suggests the continents of Europe, Asia and Australasia were populated when Egypt was building its pyramids. There were people in China, Arabia and India too

And Egypt never ruled the world! No nation has ever ruled the world. In fact, no nation (or people, if you may) has ever ruled Africa, or even Europe! I just wonder where you get your history from.

Anduku:
With the state of New York legalizing abortion up until the moment of birth and celebrating the right to murder fully formed babies, I hope budaatum and co can now experience Nirvana since this seems to be their sole purpose of existing. This will not even be the last of the abominations that these evil liberals will promote and attempt to legalize because I have a very good idea of what is happening and I will only tell them that they are on a path that will ultimately lead to their destruction. Hope you enjoy your festivals of human sacrifices cos it won't last forever

You must be one of those liberal liars Anduku, or you would not be lying as you have here. Where did you get the idea that buda nirvana is dependent on some bill in New York? Did someone tell you buda can't abort if buda wanted to at any time buda wanted to? I guess I'm going to have to watch you carefully.

The bill maintains abortions as legal within 24 weeks of the start of a pregnancy – “or at any time when necessary to protect a woman’s life or health.’’

Or would you rather I die to save the contents of my womb?

Nancy: No wall for you!
Trump: No trip for you!
Nancy: No speech for you!
Trump: whoops......

9inches:
I highlighted the part of your reply to which I was responding. What don't you understand?

I never said I didn't understand. I'd even agree with the video somewhat since it supports a position I agree with if not for the 'belief'. It must have been hard for you to agree I guess, hence your belligerence.

9inches:
I tend to agree on the bolded as long as you are not conflating it with the argument being refuted in the clip below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLta2b9zQ64

I can't claim I get your point here, but at 4:30, he says "Salvation is not based on faith alone but by the quality of our love", love being works, as pointed it in James, which I wholly agree with. But salvation from what, one might ask. Some would claim, from hell and damnation, I, however, being more concerned with the things on this earth which I see and not so much about some god up in heaven whom I see not, or a hell I have no evidence for, would claim salvation from diseases, hunger, exploitation, untimely death and the suchlike which I can see and which damn many, and are things we humans, out of love for our fellow human beings can and have done quite a lot to save people from by our works, and not by idle faith without the work. God did afterall say, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth", which is, "work!"

If Nigeria did more of such works of salvation instead of praying for the manna of salvation to fall from heaven as we do, our nation would be much more heavenly than the hell it currently is. One needs just look at nations that take this work approach and compare with those of faith to see the difference in development. Essentially, I am not against religion since for me it simply means 'school', and 'doing repeatedly'. But the curriculum needs to be the right curriculum, which in Christianese means based on the love and regard for that which is godly - as in good and proper for all - and the love of all human beings. A religion that fails to hold [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+6%3A4-7%2CMatthew+22%3A37-40%2CMark+12%3A30-31%2CLuke+10%3A27&version=NKJV]these tenets[/url] as given in the forefront of it's teachings is, as far as I am able to currently understand, not of Jesus Christ.