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"On a deeper level, in fact on the deepest of levels, one is not and cannot be held responsible for his situation, conditions, circumstances, thoughts,words, actions and inactions seeing as ones conception and creation is without one's prior consultation and therefore without one's choosing."

It may indeed be, "without one's prior consultation and therefore without one's choosing", but one still gets to chose what one makes of it and that's more than enough responsibility, and excitment, wouldn't you say?

itchie:
There's discrimination everywhere and discrimination is discrimination, one discrimination is not worse than the other because the very idea of discrimination is gotten from the feeling that another human is for whatever reason inferior and beneath you and hence should not be associated with

The fact that it's everywhere does not mean it has to be condoned anywhere.

Below is Temple1288's post.

Temple1288:
Some quotes of these Republicans and Trump supporters are taken too far.. Remember when Hillary Clinton said "All (Blacks) of them look alike"?
That would have made headlines on CNN and BBC (who's country is on fire)

I wouldn't rule out discrimination in Mississippi or the entire South but it's not so much as CNN show people outside. Is it a crime to put your country first?

Mississippi is filled with Blacks. When you visit the University of Southern Miss or the Mississippi State University you'd see a lot of Black students living a free life...

Does the "entire south", not imply 'more than in other part of America'?

Lynching, today at least, sounds like a grave exageration, but it signifies much more than "not worse than the other", especially if you were the one being discriminated against. Except if those telling you they are hurting are just lying, in your opinion?

I wrote on the if Trump had said what Hillary had said when she first said it. When some imagine Trump saying what she said, they see him on a campaign platform and the words they hear are "Who cares? Lock em up!" It's the perception some have of him. Be they right or not. Context, of the historical type included, is what allowed her to get away with it while he wouldn't.

In order to justify taking the resources of others you would have to convince yourself that the person you're taking it from does not deserve it, hence the "liberal", and "you do it too". We use the same rational in Nigeria to justify looting when we claim everyone is a thief and join them to steal. Everyone is not a thief, or liberal, or racist!

I have not claimed Trump is racist, and only a person with limited knowledge would equate the racial experience in Mississippi with racism everywhere, considering the history of the place. Race was brought up in Mississippi by the candidate who appeared to suport lynching, which just happens to have relevance there with some who, in my opinion, would justifiable get worried.

It is low intelligence to think "everyone living in Nigeria is inferior". One can easily prove such people wrong though by not behaving inferior, or does the opinions of those who think that way define existence in Nigeria?

For your information, I discriminate based on ideology. I am averse to people who feel the need to take or hug all the resourses for their own use.

Please consider Alectrona11 post above.

itchie:
There's discrimination everywhere in the world, people discriminate based on financial class, race, tribe, educational level, religion even on gender. It's the nature of the world so stop that bullshit of trying to paint all Mississippians as evil because of a few bad eggs that chose to discriminate on race. If you are sincere to yourself, you will admit that even you have discriminated against people at some time in your life. And by the way, another bullshit you liberals need to stop forcing down our throats is your totally dishonest claims that Trump is racist. He isn't, in fact he is far better than a lot of disgusting African Americans I have met on nairaland. I have seen far more discriminatory attitudes and insults from my so called fellow blacks on this forum than I have ever seen from Trump. Some idiots think that because they live in the US then everyone living in Nigeria is inferior to them and living in a third world cave. It is idiots like that you should be preaching to about the wrongness of discrimination and not imaginary racists you are turning people to in your mind just because they happen to have a different political view from yours

raumdeuter:
Resources are scarce thats why some economies are very prosperous and others are suffering.

Resources are not scarce. In 3018 there will probably be close to 100 billion people on this earth, at the moment there's less than 10, so there's more than enough for everyone. And economies are properous when its people competently utilise the resources that they have, be it a lot or a little. Take my own dear fatherland. Plenty plenty resources but dirt poor.

raumdeuter:
I believe you can only help others after helping yourself and your family first.

Whether you like it or not there is family and I will be biased in favor of my children and family before thinking of others.

That should not include taking those 'others' food and feeding it to my own family however, my survival should not be at your expense! You know when you tell those others to hand over their food they will beat you with a stick, right?

raumdeuter:
If there is a fire I will save myself and my family before thinking of others.

You will not throw other people's family into the fire to save your own family though, or would you?

raumdeuter:
A president of a country is voted in to protect the interest of that country first before thinking of others

Did you hear what Tradeau said at the G20?

Protect, yes. Not try and lord it over everyone else and expect them to role over and take it!

I hope I'm exagerating your position here by the way.

ivysunday:
The Seth Material: The Spiritual Teacher that Launched the New Age Paperback – January 1, 2010. ... Seth is the acclaimed non-physical teacher whose collected works are the most

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Material

We got different Seths. The following is from your link.

The core teachings of the Seth Material are based on the principle that consciousness creates matter, and that each individual creates his or her own reality through thoughts, beliefs and expectations, and that the "point of power" through which the individual can affect change is in the present moment.

The Seth Material says that all individuals create their own circumstances and experiences within the shared earthly environment, similar to the doctrine of responsibility assumption. This concept is expressed in the phrase "you create your own reality", which may have originated with the Seth readings.

Compare it with this and tell me what you think.

francis247:
I see you'd rather see the glass as half full rather than as half empty. For someone like me, I wish it were that simple. All the same, thanks for the concern. Ciao!

It isn't simple, francis. And I'm not gonna tell you it gets easier either. It doesn't. You just get better at handleing it whether it's half full or even empty.

I'm going to address that long post of your's later. You need to be shown the other side of your coin, so don't "Ciao" me. I'm going nowhere, yet.

Confession by John Grisham is based on this premise of "it's true because I believe it's so".

raumdeuter:
(You can replace family with country)

Or race, as some would.

raumdeuter:
What is wrong with putting your country first at the expense of others?

Nothing, if I'm the one 'putting, even if my 'me first' was more like a 'me only' invfact. But putting one's country first at the expense of others? I shouldn't expect the 'at the expenses' to like it.

raumdeuter:
If you are a father and your family have needs just like other families have the same needs and only limited resource. Will you put your family first at the expense of others or you will rather feed other family at the expense of yours?

There's no "rather feed other family at the expense of yours", here. And that's the sort of language that allows race into the diatribe. History alone allows it to cut a line through who's family and who's not.

It might be my growing up, but being the first of five, I tend to put others on equal footings. I don't have to remove others so I can advance. If I remove those around me I'll be impoverished. I guess I like the company.

Are resources really that scarce that we now live in a me or you world? Is it that impossible for us to coexist without the need to exploit each other?

Temple1288:
I wouldn't rule out discrimination in Mississippi or the entire South but it's not so much as CNN show people outside. Is it a crime to put your country first?

So, there is discrimination in Missisippi.

African-Americans that I've met complain that Africans in America don't quite get it when they complain about racism and are militant against it. They say, "if the African in America's granpa's granpa had been a slave they might get it. But since it's not a narrative their granpa's grandpa handed down to them, we'll forgive you".

Here's a [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Chaney%2C_Goodman%2C_and_Schwerner?wprov=sfla1]link to some history[/url]. Notice the dates. Supporting lynching is hardly not going to get the ire of some people, surely. I don't watch CNN, so don't know how much they show. Did they make it up?

It is not a crime to put your country first, but it is a crime to put your country first at the expense of others. Slavery, is an example of it in the past, and more subtle discrimination is an example of it today.

Temple1288:
But I live in Mississippi and I've not seen African-Americans lynched. Please y'all should for once stop believing and helping to spread lies.

I was only quoting what 'reputable' media said. And no one is claiming African-Americans get lynched in Mississippi. There's at least, no evidence of it as you state. What is being claimed is that discrimination against African-Americans persists in some de-evolved form. But you live there. And I haven't been to US ever, so wouldn't quite qualify.

Would you say there is discrimination against African-Americans in Mississippi, please?

MuttleyLaff, has vaxx answered one single question you've asked here? They're interesting questions.

Abbeybailey:
Democrat won the 21st Congressional district in California from an incumbent Republicon now making it a total gain of 40 Seats in the House of Representatives. Some clowns say it's not a Blue Wave. Can't wait till early January when the new Congress is sworn in . Interesting time ahead in America.

This doesn't sound sorted yet.

francis247:
That's the thing. I do not sadly feel like I have in me that which it takes to acquire a further sense of purpose beyond that which fulfilling the desires of my parents to procreate gives as well as that which being a member of the society offers.

You are allowing yourself to be limited by you environment and circumstances, and its making you feel despondent - though, your "I do not sadly feel" presents a contraction. Do you really believe you do not "have what it takes to acquire a further sense of purpose beyond that which fulfilling the desires of my parents to procreate gives as well as that which being a member of the society offers"? Well, that's ok. It's not as if you can have fully explored the "sense of purpose which being a member of the society offers". I'll give you an anecdote.

Some long while ago, when I felt like you did, I was in a library one day when I heard the words "buda, I am the lord thy god", which isn't so strange since I was amongst what could best be described as gods to me, except I wasn't in the fashion of hearing voices apart from that of the shower head.

Somewhile later, I moved house, and not finding anywhere for my books, I shipped them all to my home in Nigeria. Then I visited the library in the Orolu Kingdom and found I had more books in storage than the entire kingdom had, so I gave my books to the library. Then I collected more books from my friends and sent them to the library, which started me on a purpose of caring for the library of the Orolu Kindom that has spanned some 15 years.

My point here is, widden your society.

francis247:
As regards things looking up and changing for the better in the future, frankly I do not, as someone living with SCT alias CDD and also being a melancholic, envisage that happening but time shall tell. After all there are lots of supposedly beautiful and amazing exposures, exhibitions and experiences life has to offer of which I'm yet to have a slice. I can only but hope for the best.

Sluggish cognitive tempo (SCT) is the term for a syndrome that may comprise a novel and distinct attention disorder from ADHD. Symptoms of it include dreaminess, mental fogginess, hypoactivity, sluggishness, staring frequently, inconsistent alertness and a slow working speed.

Look at all those amazing skills! Dreaminess, the ability to move ones mind out of ones physical environment. Mental fogginess, the ability to not get stuck on the little you know. Hypoactivity, energy. Sluggishness, tortoise like, slow and steady, and not like the hare. Staring frequently, as in observing, likely with the mind as opposed to the eyes alone. Inconsistent alertness, able to relax one's mind. Slow working speed, as in, not a russian!

And the point here is widen your amazing skills!

You can more than hope, francis247! With all those skills, you can rest assured that your possibilities would widen in time.

vaxx:
it is not about the certificate and the white dreess. It is about if Nigeria should adopt it, and for us to agree on that. We need to discuss the nitty gritty of the topic beyond Jackie chan daughter same marriage certificate that was issued in Canada. Remember if Jackie daughter and her lesbian partner naturalised as a nigeria today, that certificate will not be recognised.

If I go to Nigeria today and marry my same gender (or sex) partner and post a picture on here, the only position you can take is that of disgust, if you wish. I would not need your consent, and since my marriage would be illegal, I would not ask for the courts either, still my partner and I woukd be Mrs and Mrs buda, and you can stick up your nose as much as you wish.

Muttley asked you numerous questions but in fashion with the thread, you've danced around without answering one and in your normal way even gone as far as claiming his questions are wrong without an explanation. I'm just delighted that you did it in this thread since it's the same rigid attitude of disregarding opposing views that you've stuck to from the first post in this thread.

Thankfully, muttley said.

MuttleyLaff:
Again, I reiterate, patience is the secret.

That's how this battle was won in once equally backward on the issue UK, USA, Germany etc, and how it would be won in Nigeria, once you all get your noses out of people's private business and mind your own.

Abbeybailey:
This case is very interesting case in chicagotown because Ald Ed Burke is a very powerful Chicago politician who is as powerful as the Mayor of Chicago Rahm Emanuel. He's a crooked guy but he's powerful and his wife is an Associate Supreme Court Justice in Illinois. As I am typing this , his City Hall office is still being searched by the FBI and so is his ward office on the South West Side of Chicago. He's a Real Estate Tax Attorney that represents Trump Tower which is across from my office building. What people are saying is that it has to do with Trump although nothing concrete is known now. It's a developing story in Chicago and i guess it's time Karma catch up with the guy.

It's like a Chicago Mafia bust. A good when where no one is above the law!

ivysunday:
If you pay close attention to the information of the new age, you will know who Seth is.

For thousands of years, the wise people have been working hard to seek the answers. the sages such as Jesus, Sakyamuni, Mohammed, Lao Tzu from one generation after another had paid their painstaking efforts for us; Marx, Lenin, Mao Zedong, Thomas Jefferson, Lincoln had worked so hard for us. All of them tried to create a peaceful world in which everyone are equal and happy; the great sages such as Moses, St. Paul, Maha Villa, Zoroaster, Mani, Vardhamana, Dante, Seth had endured the hardships and advised us in earnest in order to lead us into a happy homeland; but the real answer seems to be still far away from us, and we still need to go a long journey, step by step, to approach the other side of truth.

Your Seth didn't sound like information of the old age.

[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_%28deity%29?wprov=sfla1]Seth[/url] is the son of Geb, the Earth and Nut, the Sky; his siblings are Osiris, Isis, and Nephthys. He married Nephthys and fathered Anubis; and in some accounts he had relationships with the foreign goddesses Anat, and Astarte.

vaxx:
“Please offer evidence that consent is fact base”

“Please offer evidence that the concent is provable ”

"" please offer evidence that the concent will always be permitted in court of law regardless ""

This are my simple basic question.....

Abba vaxx! You posted Jackie Chan's daughter wearing white kissing the woman she was going to marry, and now it is MuttleyLaff who should provide evidence that they agreed and that forever and ever, the court would agree too!

Na wa o!

MuttleyLaff:
Do it soon, you won't regret it as it'll be worth the effort
I am surprised you are oblivious of it

Did 37mins and 40 secs then it crashed. Please read Lordreeds above.

One is not compelled to get one's reason for living from "religion like language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions", when one can as well cook up ones own reason in ones own head. Or, know ye not who gods are, muttley?!

Almost 38 mins! I am very vigorously smh!

Ihedinobi3:
I checked the synopsis. The general idea is correct as far as it goes. The Lord works all things together for good to those who love Him and there is no soldier in His Army who has the full picture so we don't always (in fact, we rarely do) know the full rationale of the tasks that He gives us to do. That is what it means to walk by Faith. We have to trust Him to be using every obedience we offer Him to work out something perfect for all of His Children.

I may eventually make time to watch the series but I doubt that I will. I am barely keeping up with my responsibilities at the moment. I couldn't afford something like that in the short term. But I thank you very much for sharing it with me.

Pretty much.

gidgiddy:
London is a completely landlocked area but London controls much of the UK shipping through the several river ports built on the River Thames that runs through the centre of London. The River Thames runs into the ocean

Unless you're claiming the ships fly, this is an example of not landlocked since there is a navigable route to the sea!

MuttleyLaff:
I've persistently been mentioning you budaatum
because I'll like you to watch this shy of 45 minutes clip
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v363280nFSFMC66

You're not exactly promoting yourself well enough to get 45 minutes of my time, MuttleyLaff. But I'll give it a go sometime.

ivysunday:
Hi, thanks for sharing.
So you believe that you are your brain and you get no soul？And what in your dream are only created by your imagination? Why cannot you control your dream? Why somebody always have good dreams while some aways have nightmares?

No, I do not believe that I am my brain! I am my legs too, and my arms and my chest and my bum and my kidney and my heart and my nose and my eyes and my entire being. Saying I am just a brain is like saying the elephant's trunk is the elephant!

And I do control my dreams, to an extent. I grew up very poor and used to dream of money a lot and in my dream would plot how to bring the money out of my dreams and into reality.

When I started, I'd carefully hide the dream money, but when I woke up it wouldn't be there so next time I'd take that into consideration and place it more carefully but it still wouldn't be there, but eventually, I worked out how to bring dream money into reality. I still hate when I wake up during an interesting dream, so I go back and dream some more.

People dream what they think. If your thoughts are good, you will have good dreams, but if your thoughts are bad, you'd have more nightmares. People more or less control which sort of dreams they have.

ivysunday:
And you don't believe in below either:

Jesus cured many people who were possessed by evil spirits; there are countless records and instances about being possessed by soul (some people call this as being haunted by ghost) at all times and in all over the world. Seth conveyed the information of life to common people through the attachment to an American woman.

No, I don't believe that Jesus cured many people who were possessed by evil spirits, I know that Jesus cures many people who are possessed by stupid thinking, and without his teachings, more people would be stupid today.

Don't have a clue what Seth you mean.

obixcel:
The Economist is a good news source. I check on them everytime. Not that the BBC is totally wack, they are also competent to a large extent. In fact studies show Americans and most folks out there in the world hold them and other British news outlets more reliable than CNN and the rest of her siblings

I knew you were just talking. We Brits pay for the BBC through TV Licence. This years cost £150. It's there main source of funding and they don't do adverts. If they are as crap as you initially said they were we would refuse to pay for it (unless you want to claim we'd be too stupid to know, of course), and it would just die off!

Below is what the Economist wrote pre-election. Note the references to race.

THE mid-term elections finally come to an end on November 27th, when Mississippians head to the polls to choose a new senator. Cindy Hyde-Smith, whom the state’s governor appointed to the seat when Thad Cochran resigned in April, faces off against Mike Espy, who represented the state’s second district in Congress before serving as Bill Clinton’s agriculture secretary. Ms Hyde-Smith is a white Republican, Mr Espy an African-American Democrat.

Over the course of the campaign, Ms Hyde-Smith has morphed from bland seat-filler into something more noxious. Footage surfaced of her joking that if a supporter “invited me to a public hanging, I would be on the front row” (no state lynched more African-Americans than Mississippi).

You should not always blame the media for the obnoxiousness of those they report about!

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum, recently tried labeling and caging me as a Buddhist, just because I told a poster I am a Buddha.

Abba MuttleyLaff! You sure like mentioning buda too much! Have you forgotten how touchy I get when misrepresented, or are you just pressing my buttons?

This was you!

MuttleyLaff:
... by the way, like I told a fellow poster, the other day,
I am a buddha right now, increasingly knowing more by the day and not a future buddha
Hover or Click here to see more
Being and/or becoming a buddha, a knower, can be now and doesnt have to be in the future sense.

And here was my response.

budaatum:
Beliefs are a barrier to actual knowledge. Once most people have formed a belief on a subject they stop considering alternatives (can't say that about you though with your recent dabble into Buddhism, though your "become Buddha" is ill informed). A bit more effort and you'd know whether your beliefs were true or not.

francis247:
Life; everything related to it is meaningless and of no value except that which we ascribe it.

I'm going to assume you are thinking out loud here, trying to ascribe meaning (or purpose) to life, since in the bit quoted below with some deletions (do read it!), you have listed things you claim are "supposedly for the good of his specie", and which the lack of it is "suicide and depression".

Indeed you have no purpose when you are born, except for that of fulfilling the desires of your parents to procreate. As you grow, the society you are born into gives you purpose through "religion, language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions", to name a few. As you develop, you acquire a further sense of purpose, the ultimate one being to live, and would do everything possible to extend life. A simple test of this fact is to fill the bath with water and hold your head underneath it. You will find that the desire to live would limit how long your head stays under water. Your purpose, to live, would eventually overcome and out of the water in the bath would you lift your head, gasping for existence.

Humans ascribe meaning to their existence, and they give themselves purposes to take that next breath. When we lose this sense of purpose, when the need to take that next breath departs one, indeed, giving up life is the next option. But I assure you that's not going to happen to you! Your purpose, at least one of them, and which you fulfilled today, is to come on here, read what's written and contribute towards the ongoing development of "religion, language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions" for the advancement of a peaceful and blissful stay of us humans here on earth.

The fact that you made me think all day of my response to this thread you started is evidence that you serve a purpose and are not meaningless. And the fact that I'm going to continue pondering what you've written here is indicative of how huge a purpose indeed it is! And that's without mentioning the numerous people who also read and responded to what you wrote. And the more than that who read it and didn't respond but pondered it anyway. And the many who would discuss it with others and or just be influenced by it. And don't be surprised too if long after you move on others would come along and derive purpose from this thread.

In the beginning was the word (which for the purpose of this thread is "religion, language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions" ), and with it, you sir, created, purpose. So please don't you dare sell yourself short. In the future, even much more than this would you do!

francis247:
In as as much as religion like language, culture, tradition, morals, ethics, rules, laws, customs and conventions were made by man for the benefit as well the advancement of a peaceful and blissful stay of mankind here on earth, .......it's just like everything else created by man supposedly for the good of his specie: .... the lack of it in my unhinged opinion is much more; suicide and depression being the worst of them all..

ivysunday:
The video can be played in China. Yes, maybe it cannot be played your place.
How about talking about the near death experience you had, anything unusual happened? I guess that was hint to you, you might get somthing from those experience.
CG Jung is faithful Student of Chinese Thought, with very high spirituality. I just found this on internet. I really know little about these masters.
In China, Lao Tzu is the person who understands Tao best.
When you say soul, you mean ghost? In lifechanyuan, when we say consciousness, we mean soul. We are our souls. Souls can be seperated with bodys, when we have dreams, our souls are not in our body.

There was nothing untoward with my near death experiences except that my mind created scenarios that seemed unrelated to the physical environment I was in. I saw lights, and if I was the sort, I would claim angels came, took me to what could be called god who told me to go back, "it's not your time yet, buda", but in reality, it was all my own state of semi-consciousness trying to make sense of the experience I was undergoing. In the one instance when I completely instantly switched off, which seemed like closer to death than near, there was absolutely nothing.

"Consciousness is the state or quality of awareness or of being aware of an external object or something within oneself." While the soul, as far as I understand it, is religious mumbo-jumbo for the part of humans that supposedly lives on after one dies. Soul, I guess, is not a word that sits well in my vocabulary since there's no evidence for it.

Jung studied and wrote about the psychology of the human nature, which did include him finding similarities in western, Chinese and even primitive thought. I wouldn't say he was "faithful" . If anything, he attempted to explain the religious experience of the human being and how it influences thought and subsequent action. He explains how symbols (and myths) influence what we believe, and points to similarities across time and location. His writing is heavy going, but enlightening. The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious, Part 1 of Volume 9 in The Collected Works of C. G. Jung is a good one to start with, though to fully comprehend what he is saying, you'd have to work through some of the books he mentions in his rather copious references.

FarahAideed:
Hehehehehehehhehehe but if it was Fayose in that video they wouldnt even bother going to Alaba Market for forensic analysis and would have hung him tey tey

Yet, the truth is, they waited for him to leave office then hung him. Or did you miss the news?

obixcel:
Oh..The BBC..just another cesspool of propaganda for the globalists. You don't have to go along with them. They do almost the same as CNN.

Out of interest, who would you recommend?