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Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 10:35pm On Nov 24, 2018
johnydon22:
So, gender means, behaviors ascribed to masculinity or femininity?
Despite trying for years to resolve the sex/ gender issue, I have resolved for me that sex is sex, and masculine and feminine is gender.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 8:11pm On Nov 24, 2018
And people are more concerned about homosexuals.

It seems people can change their gender these days, though you need to be in a country that condones such things. Men dressed up as a girls in Thailand is a huge tourist puller, and a man dressed in iro and buba on the streets of Lagos would get chuckles. But when you start asking people to see you not as the gender you were born with there might be issues.

I find it silly really children having sex changes because they have cooked up in their head that they were born with the wrong organs! They should be sent to Nigeria to be cured. Worrying about what to feed you as a child would make you consider wrong gender not a topic of importance to bring up with mummy and daddy. Still here we are.

I can't convince you. I have met people who have changed their gender and have no reason to think different of them. There's a nice one in Tesco who is all laugh, and there's one who walks in my park in summer, though, I don't know how far they've gone since all I see is men dressed as women. They live their lives and let live so what's my problem?

I guess it could be when the person I hook up with at a bar turns out not to be the gender I thought they were. Hopefully, I'd be finding out before, and not afterwards!
Politics › Re: I Regret Joining APC, Atiku Reveals by budaatum: 6:36pm On Nov 24, 2018
iammo:
His campaign economic 6 years blueprint plan categoricaly states that he wants to sell off NNPC, if we spend the sales proceed where do we hope to later get money for states and local government allocation? The privatised electricity distribution company they sold to their friends like Davidos father and the DJ cuppy's fathers are you comfortable with the estimated billing you have been paying to fund rich kids lifestylehuh
Let us educate them with a story.

The Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs

There was once a Countryman who possessed the most wonderful Goose you can imagine, for every day when he visited the nest, the Goose had laid a beautiful, glittering, golden egg.

The Countryman took the eggs to market and soon began to get rich. But it was not long before he grew impatient with the Goose because she gave him only a single golden egg a day. He was not getting rich fast enough.

Then one day, after he had finished counting his money, the idea came to him that he could get all the golden eggs at once by killing the Goose and cutting it open. But when the deed was done, not a single golden egg did he find, and his precious Goose was dead.

Those who have plenty want more and so lose all they have.


iammo:
He wants to float naira, so that everyone gets their scarce dollar anywhere they like without CBN. Meaning dollars may go up as high as 700 do you want that?
Above 1000Naira and rising, mark my word. With wages at sub 30k.
Politics › Re: Only Igbo Soldiers Were Sent To Fight Boko Haram. by budaatum: 6:08pm On Nov 24, 2018
Enemies of my country Nigeria!
lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 6:00pm On Nov 24, 2018
Fox Business holiday guest-host Charles Payne flipped out when David Stockman, Reagan's former budget director, told him that U.S.economic foundation was not stable because Trump was acting like "a madman."

He continued, “We’ve got a perfect storm of a madman in the White House, who’s pursuing trade wars, border wars, a fiscal policy that is totally out to lunch, and attacking the fed.”



CNN with their lies again. Like we all don't know he worked for Carter and was paid by Obama to peddle fake news!
Christianity Etc › Re: How Can You Prove That Jesus Christ Existed by budaatum:
MuttleyLaff:
There is nothing wrong with doing both.
There isnt anything wrong in believing and knowing
I know things I dont believe.
There is nothing wrong in doing both if you can separate what you know from what you believe or don't believe. Things I believe are things I don't quite know either way but chose one. When I know, I don't tend to believe anymore because I know. I cannot insist that what I believe is actually so, and when it matters, I try to find out.

MuttleyLaff:
"Why believe when I can know?" you say
My response is, without human intelligence, what would become of us
Beliefs are a barrier to actual knowledge. Once most people have formed a belief on a subject they stop considering alternatives (can't say that about you though with your recent dabble into Buddhism, though your "become Buddha" is ill informed). A bit more effort and you'd know whether your beliefs were true or not.

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, existence now and existence thereafter
And there's an example of the detriment of belief. Your belief in an existence thereafter - and a belief it is - influences your behaviour in the now. Some are so more concerned with the thereafter that they lose focus of the now. That's like worshipping the Father in heaven whom you see not while disregarding one's neighbour in the here and now. Don't you believe you are more important than the birds and the bees and would be taken care of and so should not worry?

MuttleyLaff:
My sentiment too exactly
Take a wild guess budaatum, how many types of different faith biblically exists?
How many faiths biblically exist?

MuttleyLaff:
I think understanding shouldnt be part of your hang ups, misunderstanding is what you should guard against
What nonsense are people cooking up in their heads budaatum?
Understanding is a product of knowing. And accepting things as true without evidence, is cooking things up in the head. If one cooks up nonsense in one's head, understanding might be elusive because reality would not correspond to their opinion of it. I've seen a woman battered black and blue by the man she swears loves her. The wage of her sin of misunderstanding was surely death.

Do note that the facts of a piece of work may not be true but the inherent lesson might. Just note how Jesus turned understanding of the word of God on its head. The Pharisees loved quoting it, and so did Satan.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible by budaatum: 4:19am On Nov 24, 2018
HappyPagan:
This is true. Would you agree that the Bible this created this world (world as in the ideas that we accept, practice and value as a society)
Biblical teaching has influenced how we reason. If we'd been trained on a different book we'd probably think different.

HappyPagan:
Ah Buda. There are a lot of pooly educated people who are rich. And richly educated who are poor.
Quite a lot indeed. They'd be intellectually poorer though, if they had not been taught to read.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible by budaatum: 4:15am On Nov 24, 2018
LordReed:
I disagree that education arose because they wanted to teach people the bible. Education has roots that predate the bible by centuries. Left to the church only few would read and understand the bible, if not for the advent of the printing press the bible would have remained a book reserved for trained few.
True, education predates the current bible. Homer was required reading in Athens. But the bible was much more widely circulated, giving the masses the opportunity to have a library of books to hand though that was not the churches intention as you rightly pointed out.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible by budaatum: 10:19pm On Nov 23, 2018
HappyPagan:
What makes this Book so powerful?
Is the Bible powerful because we believe?
Is belief sufficient to verify truth?
You'd want to ask what power is, won't you. Some people, decided to write a popular book that can be read by the simplest of people once taught how to - a very powerful act in its day. Some people built buildings were they taught about the writings in this book, an act that imbued it with power. The bible was the great innovation that has brought billions away from the horrible existence they lived in to the slightly better one they live in now through teaching them to read.

Can it do the things you mentioned? Kinda sort of. If education had not been designed to teach the bible the schools might have been different and might not have allowed us to become doctors and so on who can. Yea, I know doctors predate the bible, but perhaps there wouldn't have been mass education. It's not as if the pre-bible dispensation cared about educating the masses. Without it, if it wasn't made to teach how to read, there'd be more poor in the world today.
Christianity Etc › Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by budaatum: 10:02pm On Nov 23, 2018
OkaiCorne:
Thanks buda!

I'm full of gratitude. You remembered. smiley
Of course I remembered! Hope you had a wonderful day, and grew through the year.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Can You Prove That Jesus Christ Existed by budaatum:
MuttleyLaff:
I think because the question is delphic, your answer to it will be misunderstood
Why dont you believe?
On what basis dont you believe?

I recall reading your testimony (i.e. test-ti-mo-ni) sometimes ago,
"nkan gbe laiye yi" , it loosely means "we exist in a mysterious world"
Why believe when I can know? Is it not existence that concerns us most? When I look down the road I want to cross, do I believe a car is not coming or do I know a car is not coming before I walk into the road? Why not observe and understand existence instead of believing the nonsense cooked up in a head?

I don't believe because the actual act of choosing to believe is stupidly based on the desire to be ignorant - a thing I've prayed against from age 4. When Moses was going up a mountain, I would have been that one person who would have shouted, "Mo dude, wait up! I buda shall go up with you. Won't peep if you don't want me to". After all, it's not as if Moses had told them they were unworthy. And of course I would have peeped! The writers of the bible would have written, "and buda went up the mountain with Moses. And though buda had promised not to peep at the face of the Lord God Almighty, buda peeped! And buda was instantaneously turned into a stone for looking on the face of the Lord Almighty God..

I don't believe when I can know, muttley, and when I don't know, I admit my non-knowing. Some people are bad cooks muttley. They cook up nonsense in their own heads and believe it. That's not bad though. They then go around telling others their poisoned cooking is good nosh! If I'm going to cook up gods in my head and believe in them, my god will be the best god ever cooked. You would be glad I'm not selfish with my cooking.

If your god tells you you are Human 1.0, incapable of knowing because your god made you too stupid to know I strongly suggest you go do what the Igbos do and get a better God that would evolve you to Human 2.0, or 3 for that matter. Anyone who worships a God of mystery it has not given you the ability to demystify is an inconsiderate God and a bad creator of a flawed product. No God can be worthy of buda worship if it does not give buda the ability to know.

I guess I value knowing much more than eternal life, muttley. I'd rather know, is the why and the basis of my inability to believe the nonsense people cook up in their heads!

Schistosomiasis, is a water borne parasite. Ignorance made me swim in the big beautiful lake by my farm.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Can You Prove That Jesus Christ Existed by budaatum: 8:37pm On Nov 23, 2018
MrPRevailer:
Do you even believe a crippled can be healed in the name of Jesus?
No, I don't. I know what can though.
Christianity Etc › Re: John Allen Chau Killed In India, North Sentinel Island. Read His Letter by budaatum: 8:32pm On Nov 23, 2018
peacengine:
He should have gone with gun and bullet proof vest. Rest on bro
He went with bible instead! I have no sympathy for him! Which part of "don't bring your disease to us" did he not understand?
Politics › Re: Yekini Nabena Misrepresents Voice Of America Video On Corruption In Nigeria by budaatum: 4:11pm On Nov 23, 2018
kernel001:
My apologies, but your lines should be clear enough, to enable readers comprehend your activation better.
You being the only one who albeit gave half an apology is appreciated.

One should see what is rather than insist it's as one wants it to be, I thought.
Politics › Re: Buhari Vs Jonathan: Who Has Fought Corruption Better? by budaatum: 4:01pm On Nov 23, 2018
naijapips04:
You mean Buhari's Body odour? That has refused to stop oshiomole and Gandollars n sons.
I do not believe Nigerian politicians are stupid, especially when it comes to money, but I can tell you they ain't getting any. In the good old Jonathan days, people who stayed in town doing rankadede to our honourable earned more money than people who went to the farm and teachers. A farm hand would sweat 1k a day and a teacher 25k a month. The rankadede guy will kiss ass and walk off with 20k a day in the good old days of Jonathan, and the higher up you went the more you got per day, sometimes cars, even houses, just for kissing ass! And then sai my bubu turned off the tap and kiss my ass money dried up and rankadede people have now turned to stealing cookers, gas cylinders and the oranges in my farm! O so low have they fallen!

Lots of people were angry when Buhari said Nigerian are lazy. I'm sorry, rankadede people and thieves in Nigeria are lazy Nigerians. I'm just glad they are dwindling. Many people have explained on here how Gandollar is protected by the constitution so learn. Oshiomole I don't have credible information so don't know. If it is found that Buhari has been stealing from Nigeria - if he has, we will know, insha allah Jesus amen - please call me to be the one to put tyre around his neck, pour petrol and put am fire. Until then, sai my bubu for making sure those who do no work do not eat! It's a lesson we Nigerians need to learn.
Christianity Etc › Re: Name Your Favorite Heretic by budaatum(op): 3:33pm On Nov 23, 2018
Jesus (c. 4 BC – c. AD 30 / 33), also referred to as Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus Christ, was a first-century Jewish preacher and religious leader. He is the central figure of Christianity. Most Christians believe he is the incarnation of God the Son and the awaited Messiah (Christ) prophesied in the Old Testament.

He was arrested and tried by the Jewish authorities, turned over to the Roman government, and was subsequently crucified on the order of Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect.


I love the way he is said to have stood up to the religious people of his day telling them their understanding was wrong and that they did not temper the word with its spirit to steal from the poor. Then the poor yelled, "Cricify him!" Irony, you'd think. Now he's their saviour, and I stick my neck out and say they still crucify him!

Jesus is my favorite favorite heretic. The greatest atheist too.
Politics › Re: Buhari Vs Jonathan: Who Has Fought Corruption Better? by budaatum: 1:50pm On Nov 23, 2018
You have not heard that the fear of Buhari is the end of corruption, perhaps. Or you just don't believe all those Ghana Must Goes during Jonathan's era were full of Nigerian money going. It is afterall obvious that money is harder to steal under Buhari than under Jonathan. Just watch Jonathan era thieves wailing on the street.

In Jonathan's time, thieves would not bother robbing my house. Why steal telly when there's a GMG begging for an owner. But just last month, it seems hungry so catch them that my cooker, gas cylinder, oranges in my farm and a few other things have gone into their I'm Hungry fund!

Some people wouldn't understand a good thing even if it was a free three course meal!
Christianity Etc › Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by budaatum: 1:33pm On Nov 23, 2018
OkaiCorne:
And yipee!!! today is my birthday...

Happy birthday to me... grin
Happy birthday, again.
Politics › Re: Yekini Nabena Misrepresents Voice Of America Video On Corruption In Nigeria by budaatum: 1:13pm On Nov 23, 2018
Celebrityblog:
Source: http://www..com/2018/11/corruption-100-billion-dollars-from.html?m=1

What do you think about the video documentary?
Thank you for changing the topic of the thread to what more accurately describes the video, and exactly what I pointed out here!

budaatum:
2 million barrels of crude oil a day at $100 a barrel is 200 million dollars a day. In 5 days, that's a billion dollars. And in a month of 30 days, that's 6 billion, from oil alone. Add other government revenue and there could have been 100 billion dollars to steal from Nigeria, except @ynabena must have heard wrong. "100 billion is laundered through UK from around the world", they said, and not 100 billion from Nigeria. Goes to show the bigger thief all the same.
Politics › Re: Yekini Nabena Misrepresents Voice Of America Video On Corruption In Nigeria by budaatum: 1:05pm On Nov 23, 2018
It's amusing how you all missed my point about @yabena getting his facts wrong and how the video actually shows that Britain is the thief here. Perhaps listen to the video and you'd get that fact.

Apologies are welcome!

slowice:
Bros even if this trash was true... Ve you considered that the same revenue must be shared among our dependent states? And if whatever that's left is stolen not even a single kilometer of road would be constructed. Talk smart bro
kernel001:
Oil sells for $72 for more than a year now, what has Buhari done with the revenue generated from crude oil?

Obasanjo was selling Oil for $24, what do you make of it?
BruncleZuma:
Nigeria never sold oil for 100$ for 16years stop peddling this falsehood.
soulpeppersoup:
No nation sells crude oil everyday. There is an amount of crude a nation can sell per month if you even have such buyer.
poiZon:
a zombie reasoning
so d oil companies go drill return d whole monies to nnpc, is that how una dey do?
Politics › Re: Yekini Nabena Misrepresents Voice Of America Video On Corruption In Nigeria by budaatum: 11:55pm On Nov 22, 2018
2 million barrels of crude oil a day at $100 a barrel is 200 million dollars a day. In 5 days, that's a billion dollars. And in a month of 30 days, that's 6 billion, from oil alone. Add other government revenue and there could have been 100 billion dollars to steal from Nigeria, except @ynabena must have heard wrong. "100 billion is laundered through UK from around the world", they said, and not 100 billion from Nigeria. Goes to show the bigger thief all the same.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Can You Prove That Jesus Christ Existed by budaatum: 11:29pm On Nov 22, 2018
Originakalokalo:
1 Kings 18 verse 20 to the end.
Thanks.

At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”

Then the fire of the Lord fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.


The God of those times is nothing like the gods of today. Or is it the Elijahs who are missing?
Christianity Etc › Re: How Can You Prove That Jesus Christ Existed by budaatum: 6:51pm On Nov 22, 2018
Originakalokalo:
The same Baal refused to respond, or, was not permitted to respond , when an open confrontation ensued between Elijah and the prophets of Baal.
You mean like when scrutinised, diligently?

It's always amused me that they removed Bel and the Dragon from the Bible. The need to stop people getting ideas, perhaps?

Give me chapter for Elijah would you please.
Christianity Etc › Re: Origin Of The Universe by budaatum: 1:26pm On Nov 22, 2018
ivysunday:
Atheists believe in the evolutionism and the jungle rules. You don't believe in the Greatest Creator but you call his name when facing great danger.
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One thing most atheists find obnoxious about so called believers is their inability to accept the evidence before their eyes. Just you consider what you wrote above. Surely if atheists 'believe' in 'jungle rules', they'd find in difficult to obey the rules of decent society or even the rules of the language they write in and gibberish sentence likely write would in time every, but I'm very certain you would just not make up an idea of what atheists are like without considering the evidence before very own eye's your's!

The pity is when those who think they promote peace base it on everyone thinking, reasoning or believing the same thing without avoiding making enemies of those who disagree with them. The greater pity is when observed evidence is disregarded and substituted with demonisation of the so called enemy to justify the hatred.

But if If evidence does matter to you, heres is at least one thread where we have attempted to state What Atheism Is, if the evidence before you does not already show that atheism does not mean "jungle rule" as you seem to believe it does.

As to your "evolutionism". It just shows how much you know.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by budaatum: 1:17am On Nov 22, 2018
butterflylion:
My parameters are assumed to be same parameters we have been exposed to via evolution but from a different angle.
I could swear your parameters used to be God done it in 7 days! Was this the moment you converted, butter?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by budaatum: 1:07am On Nov 22, 2018
Proudgorgeousga:
Mr man you are late to the party, for this thread you are to drop your common sense and logic and critically think out side the box of sensible explanation to intelligently invent an answer no be so@butterflylion grin
Kill him, lol grin grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by budaatum: 12:53am On Nov 22, 2018
Restroom:
For thousands of years now, many have been led to believe in the doctrine of hell fire.

Biblically, this teaching has no basis.
Some invoke the expression recorded in Revelation
21:8 and Rev 19:20, I.e. the 'lake of fire' or 'lake that burns with sulfur'as evidence of hell fire.

Others point to Jesus parable about the rich man and Lazarus, recorded in Luke 16:19-31.

While these Bible verses speak of punishment in fire, they are not to be taken literally.

The language in which the Book of Revelation was written, were all symbolic. Also, the story of the Rich man and Lazarus, was an illustration directed at the proud pharisees, who believed they were favoured before God. Jesus used the illustration to let the pharisees realized that, things have changed for the ordinary Israelites, with the arrival of the messiah. God stopped using the pharisees to teach the Jews the law, with the coming of Jesus Christ .With the presence of Gods son teaching the Jews directly about God, the spiritual condition of the Jews became elevated while the Pharisees were debased. Seeing the changed condition of the jews, and the judgment message of Jesus against the Pharisees, they became enraged at Jesus.

Interestingly, Jesus Christ ended the role of the Pharisees as teachers of the law, when he established Christianity.Since the birth of the Christian congregation, the ordinary Jews and later the Gentiles, became opportuned to worship God freely.

Yet, as simple as the illustration of the rich man and pharisees were, the religions of today have latched on to it, as proof that hell fire existed. The Pharisees that Jesus directed the message to knew that Jesus was talking to them. They knew the meaning that, spiritually speaking, their position as teachers of the law had changed forever with Jesus presence. And that the common man they looked down upon is now favoured with the previlegde of been taught the way of Christ, which opens to them the direct opportunity of communicating with God.

Hence, to those who misconstrue, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus as proof of hell fire, it is good to read that account again, to get the import of the parable.

According to first John 4:8, God is Love.

Can a God of love burn his sinning creatures in fire?

What do you think?

To answer it clearly, think about yourself for a moment. Can you burn your child in fire for sinning or doing something you forbid?

Can you ?
Well, I can't.

As a human, how many of us even think about using fire as a possible means to punish criminals?

Few, if any.
How many human government burn criminals alive?

None!
If humans in General Dont do it, why do people now want God to do it?
If human government Dont burn criminals in fire, is it God that we now burn his own creature in everlasting fire?

God is love.
If humans, Dont do it, God can't do it.
We are made in God s image, remember.
If you can't do it, because it looks unjust, then, God cannot do it.

Also, there is no record in the Genesis account of creation, of how God created Hellfire and where it is located.Where is hellfire located ?Who created it? Where is evidence that God created it? The bible recorded how God created everything, including the sun, moon and stars.How come it is silent about hellfire?

Now God told Adam, that if he sins against him, he would go back to the dust.Because he created him from the dust. Now if Adam returned to the dust as God told him, how come his children go the hell fire as popularly claimed by churches of today?

God specifically told Adam in Genesis 3:19- For dust you are, and to dust, you will return.

But churches now say, for dust you are and to hellfire you will return.

Can God lie?

Who knows better, God or churches?

Where do we go at death?

Is Adam in hell fire?
Which hell fire?

According to God is statement to Adam, at death, he returned to dust, to a state of none existence.

Adam was none existent before God created him.

At death, he returned to that state signified by dust.

But churches say no. We do not die. We continue to live but in hell fire.
So a lot of people end up believing the big lie that hell fire exist .

God cannot lie.Satan is the only one that can burn sinners in hellfire, an imaginary place he has created to paint God as a wicked person who can debase his human creation by burning the sinners amongst them in hell fire.

Now, did God burn Adam in hell fire after he sinned, and became the first sinner on earth?

What's your answer?

If Adam didn't go to hell fire, as the first sinner, does it make sense to believe that his children and all sinners are in hell fire?
Thank you very much for this wonderful thread.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Hell Fire Does Not Exist by budaatum: 12:48am On Nov 22, 2018
Primesky:
My dear, hell fire exist!
How do you know, sky? Have you been there?
Christianity Etc › Re: It Is Historically Impossible For The Name Of The Messiah To Be Jesus. by budaatum: 12:43am On Nov 22, 2018
nwabekeyi:
Jesus is not translational, it was transliterated.

It doesn't mean anything anywhere
Jesus does mean a lot to those who say it does.

Come on Jesus people, make nwabekeyi change the title of this thread to Jesus Did For You!

Show Jesus power, everywhere!
Politics › Re: Presidency Tackles British MP On Doing Business, Corruption In Nigeria by budaatum: 5:35pm On Nov 21, 2018
We don't particularly trust Priti, ever since we found out she's a paid mouthpiece!

Labour has accused her of “misleading the British public”, because she admitted the Foreign Office was “not informed” about the meetings – three days after claiming it had been told.
Priti Patel sacked after 'misleading Theresa May'
Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Song To Lucifer by budaatum: 4:30pm On Nov 21, 2018
The Exsultet is part of a ceremony involving the paschal candle, which symbolizes the light of Christ.

In Latin, the relevant part of the Exsultet reads:

Orámus ergo te, Dómine,
ut céreus iste in honórem tui nóminis consecrátus,
ad noctis huius calíginem destruéndam,
indefíciens persevéret.
Et in odórem suavitátis accéptus,
supérnis lumináribus misceátur.

Flammas eius lúcifer matutínus invéniat:
ille, inquam, lúcifer, qui nescit occásum.
Christus Fílius tuus,
qui, regréssus ab ínferis, humáno géneri serénus illúxit,
et vivit et regnat in sæcula sæculórum.

In good English (as opposed to the incompetent translation given by the anti-Catholic commentator), this means:

Therefore, O Lord,
we pray you that this candle,
hallowed to the honor of your name,
may persevere undimmed,
to overcome the darkness of this night.
Receive it as a pleasing fragrance,
and let it mingle with the lights of heaven.

May this flame be found still burning by the Morning Star:
the one Morning Star who never sets,
Christ your Son,
who, coming back from death's domain,
has shed his peaceful light on humanity,
and lives and reigns for ever and ever.


Up to the first reference to the Morning Star, this passage of the Exsultet is asking God to let the paschal candle continue to give light, so that it still be burning in the morning (“May this flame be found still burning by the Morning Star”).

Then the prayer pivots to reconceive of the Morning Star not as the literal one in the sky but as Jesus Christ himself, based on the symbol in Revelation 22:16 (“the one Morning Star who never sets, Christ your Son”).

It is a moving, poetic prayer to God—not an invocation of the devil.

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