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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:49pm On Nov 28, 2018

TheShopKeeper:
Trump blames Fed chairman for declining stock market

Observers have pointed out that the stock market is not a direct indicator of economic health and that current growth trends appear to follow patterns set during the Obama administration, but Trump spurned those notions, claiming credit for himself.

DT is responsible for the gold but not for the dross. Can't he just sack the Fed Chairman? Ivanka would probably do a 'better' job, as far as he's concerned.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sinday Thread by budaatum: 8:42am On Nov 28, 2018

vaxx:
No, the unique idea here is to demonsrate in such a possible way your family and few other can praticalise. What your family, the new car Ferrari dealer needs is the utility and value which we become the ability to buy the Ferrari car in its recognition as a widely accepted medium of exchange..

It isn't about quantity numbers, it is about numerous evidence. ( quality numbers)

So, much more than consensus, which simply means 'general agreement'!

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:15am On Nov 28, 2018

obixcel:
Why Is it always about the colour of the skin? You mean White versus Black..you had to point that out, right? How does that make you different from CNN, MSNBC etc. *smh*

That's how BBC put it. You may follow the link and check for yourself. And unfortunately, elections in Mississippi do just happen to go along race lines. Or don't you think so?

Below is an update from their report.

Republican Cindy Hyde-Smith has won Mississippi's racially charged Senate election, beating a challenge from the black Democrat, Mike Espy.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sinday Thread by budaatum: 8:10am On Nov 28, 2018

vaxx:
our current scientific method works with evidence not proof. If you can demonstrate that your imaginary millions pounds is indeed real by consensus approach. you should get your new Ferrari.

Consensus helps differentiate the observation of the natural world from miracle.

You're sounding like if I can get all my friends and family and a few paid others to consent that my imaginary million pounds is real, the Ferrari salesperson would have to let me have one.

Surely I'll need more than numbers?

Christianity Etc › Re: Origin Of The Universe by budaatum: 4:36am On Nov 28, 2018

ivysunday:
Good to hear. People alike attact each other. You are decent person.
But do you really believe in science? how about this?

Life and Death and Reincarnation --American Science and Education Documentary

Episode 1: Near-death Experience

https://v.qq.com/x/page/q0169lepkzg.html

Episode 2: Past Life Memories

https://v.qq.com/x/page/c0506w0urm1.html

Episode 3: Exploring the Phenomenon of Consciousness

https://v.qq.com/x/page/k0177rc9j8e.html

Episode 4: Secrets of the Soul

https://v.qq.com/x/page/y01693oe2i9.html

No, I do not believe in science, nor am I required to. Science is not some religion that one believes or not. Where it is relevant one can test scientific claims and know, and where one can't perform experiment, one can read what others have done and accept it as so or not.

Couldn't play the videos in the links for some reason. Maybe they don't play where I am.

Near death experiences are not a thing I have to believe since I've been opportuned to experience more than four. Past life memories, I haven't, but nothing I've heard about them convinces me of their plausibility. C. G. Jung does a lot on consciousness and I'm a fan, though I doubt we're on the same page. And I've never met a soul.

Christianity Etc › Re: Origin Of The Universe by budaatum: 11:45pm On Nov 27, 2018

ivysunday:
Ok, I apologize for my ignorance. Please do teach me what you believe.

Beliefs, are not a thing that I teach, since at best, they are the figments of the imagination that are cooked up in one's head without external supporting evidence.

One belief I do hold though, despite all the evidence against it, is all human beings can be decent. The evidence at least shows that a vast majority of humans I meet are decent, at least towards me.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sinday Thread by budaatum: 11:20pm On Nov 27, 2018

vaxx:
My explanation here is basic. I am only stating the rationality behind peer review which is to prevent dissemination of irrelevant findings, unwarranted claims, unacceptable interpretations, and personal views. Which is purely base on consensus decision about whether it is legitimate, and adds to the large dialogue or findings in the scienctifc field.

Basic, yes. But inaccurate. Consensus has almost nothing to do with science. Everyone may even disagree with a scientific finding and it may still be valid, or invalid. That is the reason that the scientific method is not based on a vote but on "systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses".

But I'm certain this is what you meant. You said pretty much the same thing in the last paragraph. Goes to show that the 'truth' can most certainly be, objective. And a subjective truth is whatever one may cook up in one's own head.

I'm still looking for a Ferrari salesperson who would accept the imaginary million pounds I've cooked up in my bank account in exchange for a real spanking brand new red Ferrari .

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Christianity Etc › Re: Help Needed Urgently by budaatum: 11:03pm On Nov 27, 2018

Let me tell you a story.

Ma once took buda to see Oshofa because buda would not believe what buda was told. On arrival, a woli told everyone present to shut their eyes and let us pray, but buda, stubborn, did no such thing. When the woli finished praying, he said while everyone's eyes were shut, the throne like chair on which Oshofa would sit had swayed from left to right and had been lifted up to touch the ceiling. buda, who had been watching, said, "arh! That's a lie" and got a dirty look from the woli and a slap on the head from ma.

Ma and buda were the first people called up to meet Oshofa when he eventually came out. He looked at buda and said, "you don't believe what people tell you, do you. Continue that way. There are a lot of fake wolis out there". He then gave buda a bottle of water and told ma that she and buda should both sit down everyday and slowly drink a cup each and refill the bottle afterwards. Ma should also buy a crate of eggs and cook one for buda everyday. buda's family were seven at the time, and usually had five fried eggs with bread and porridge for breakfast on Sundays only, so you might understand that an egg a day was quite a lot of egg!

The next day, ma said to buda, "go and drink your water!" She did not join buda. She also gave buda an egg. This went on for 4 days, then eggs stopped and the drinking water together was eventually forgotten. buda was ten years old at the time.

buda's father, the Celestian at the time, used to say "when people want to own you, they make you drink your own piss. Once you've drunk it, they'll feed you poo sooner or later". I would not walk naked with coconut and egg to the junction of my street, op. And if I fall ill and die, so be it. Make sure you don't go near that church though. I would not trust them not to poison you just to prove their point! And try hard to educate your father please, or one day he will give your inheritance to the church!

Years later, by the way, buda had reason to live with ma for a while, cooking for her everyday, and forcing her to hear buda. buda explained to ma what Oshofa had done. The drinking of water together was to teach ma and buda to communicate instead of ma just shouting at buda. And the eggs were to signify that ma loves buda. It took some, but the lesson was eventually learnt.

Politics › Re: 'NNPC Gave John Momoh, Channels TV N19 Billion To Promote Buhari' - Leadersng by budaatum: 9:54pm On Nov 27, 2018

That's 52,197,807.00 United States Dollar or 40,998,200.00 Pound sterling. Probably a sufficient amount to acquire a significant holding in the company!

Nigerians who accept this as true need to relocate please. Your brainlessness is detrimental to our country Nigeria!

Foreign Affairs › Re: The Return Of Alli Baba King Of Thieves And His 419 Thieves by budaatum: 9:40pm On Nov 27, 2018

Vote for Atiku and Nigeria will become a free for all nation and eventually, a wasteland!

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 9:32pm On Nov 27, 2018

In the last Senate contest of the mid-term elections, white Republican Cindy Hyde-Smith faces an unexpectedly tough challenge by black Democrat Mike Espy.

Who will win in Mississippi?

Christianity Etc › Re: Life: There Are No Rights Or Wrongs. Good Or Evil - Opinion By Hardmirror by budaatum: 8:42pm On Nov 26, 2018

There is indeed right and wrong, and there is good and evil, though those concepts depend on desired outcomes. You would not claim I were right if I took a wrong turn, for instance, and I can't see how anyone would claim my chopping off their head is not an evil thing to do. As to karma however, I can't agree that after I cut off your head, my head would be cut off. If I did it in secret no one would know. And there's the question of the politician who steals from the electorate. Evidence shows that not only does karma not apply, in this world, at least, but that their children become greater placed politicians to boot, and all most are left with is they'd go to some imaginary hell.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sinday Thread by budaatum: 4:52pm On Nov 26, 2018

vaxx:
Real life science is base on evidence gathered from experiment. it is when NUMEROUS supporting evidence support it that is labelled a theory ( thru peer review ) . The peer review purpose is to make the work consensus and valid. And there are laydown method for the experts to follow..

No argument here, though I struggle to comprehend. But it t sounds like a description of the scientific method I already alluded was one way the subjective is removed from the objective.

vaxx:
Gold is objectively a yellow, soft, chemically inert metal. But to say gold is valuable is a subjective view that we all share.(maybe we cook it up in our head anyway.

Let me do a vaxx on this, you tell me what you think:

The statement, 'gold is yellow' is subjective.

And it's value too is cooked up in the head, according to some.

vaxx:
Statements of "is" are statements of the objective.
Statements of "ought" are statements of the subjective.

"There is God o" is an objective statement?

You and I both know people try to pass their subjectives off as objectives, but would you believe someone recently tried to use their own subjectives to prove to atheists that gods was created, and without even bothering to show that that which was claimed to be created actually exists? We all said he was tripping, but according to him, that was our subjective opinion, even though objective evidence exists to prove our point!

vaxx:
In practice, we all understand objective reality via our subjective impressions and interpretations. There is no way around this fact: we are all imperfect observers. In practice, the "two worlds" overlap.

That is your subjective opinion, vaxx. One made without regard to objective evidence. I call it, creating others in the image oneself is created in, and not realising that other people can possible be different to oneself.

Yes, the two words may overlap, for some, but it is possible for a person to know what is objective, and how it differs to what one cooks up in one's head! One just needs to try hard to remove the imperfections that create the error, by basically, opening one's eyes to the evidence before one.

What you claim is impossible was cured by the taking up of mud, spitting on it and rubbing it in the eye. Then you shall see!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sinday Thread by budaatum: 3:38pm On Nov 26, 2018

vaxx:
Both subjective and objective truth can obviously exist. When two people agree, not just on a truth, but on the rationale justifying the truth even if it is ridiculous, then it becomes more objective and hence we say objectivity establish subjective evidence.....

Lol! You saying vaxx and buda can agree on something they cook up in their heads and call it true because one of them has convinced the other? Yes, I agree they can do that. But getting others to agree with us that would take some doing, though the Emperor and his New Clothes suggest it might be possible to not have only deluded oneself but to delude others too.

I don't see how truth can depend on a subjective me and my gender cannot. By the reasoning I see here, buda can just chose a truth for the day and be a man on Monday and Thursday, and a woman every other day! And since the "rationale justifying the truth" could even be ridiculous, I wouldn't ever have to cut off my boobs or glue on a prick to make the switch.

Your "subjective truth" sounds like it's based on numbers. The more people agree with lies, the truer they become, sort of. I wonder what happens when a child speaks up and says the Emperor is clothesless? Child doesn't know what its talking about, perhaps?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sinday Thread by budaatum: 3:20pm On Nov 26, 2018

SonsOfLiverpool:
Where there is little or no evidence as in the case of God or no God, the right religion or the wrong one, etc, they are relative. Am not talking about fact base phenomenon like someone stealing while the camera caught him or her am talking about religious and philosophical truth.

Every religion claim to know truth and also claim others are wrong, they all claim this with uthmost certainty, deep within their hearts they all feel their own is the truth, can we blame them? Naaah

Everyone is so engulfed in their own head, their own truth seem to be the real deal. That's why I have that position.

I agree that religious truths, and not the myths themselves, are relative. For instance, the myth that a god created the world is just that, a myth. However, the fact that Genesis 1 is the ultimate business and project plan when following the steps as laid out - gather data about the terrain, separate what might work from what might not, building step by step, etc and at each step quality checking - is a truism. And what is relative about its truth is relative human understand.

Claiming the myth is true is the same as claiming the goose in Aesop's fable truly laid golden eggs, when the truth of the story is its moral not to be greedy.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 3:07pm On Nov 26, 2018

johnydon22:
The thing is, because someone says something is a truth doesn't make it so.

Well, just so you know. There are some people who claim the truth is according to their say so, regardless of the facts and evidence.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Sinday Thread by budaatum: 4:50pm On Nov 25, 2018

SonsOfLiverpool:
Man is hungry for truth, that is the price he has to pay for being the higher animal but he will never get the truth, truth is relative, knowledge is relative. The man who I consider dumb to him he is not dumb, man is a product of his knowledge and environment.

I'm beginning to worry about this idea that truth is relative. I have to say that I have not found it to be so. I wonder if it's not really the case that some people are elevating what is false to some level of alternative truth! If there's observable evidence one way or the other, "true" are "not true" are hardly ever the same thing.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 4:35pm On Nov 25, 2018

johnydon22:
Not knowing for truth to be binding it must be absolute.

And the very nature of truth suggests it is absolute or it isn't truth.

Unfortunately, apart from things that can be empirically and objectively determined to be true or not, people do make truth up as they go along, and some go as far as claiming lies are truth.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 4:31pm On Nov 25, 2018

LordReed:
Yes it can. You seem to be falling into the error you accuse the religious of, dogmatic thinking.

If at some point we begin to exchange our limbs for enhanced man made substitutes would you be among those screaming no?

We already change our limbs (including legs, arms, breasts, kidneys etc) for prosthetics, and you don't hear me screaming, though I'm very aware I sound like the religious dogmatic. Hopefully you read where I said it does not bother me much, but that don't mean it would not bother some.

We've had a transgender prisoner sexually assault inmates, and them being assaulted to, which brought up the issue of whether they should be in prisons of their birth genders or new genders. And there's the claims by some that children are being groomed into being transgenders, which if true needs to be guided against.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 2:08pm On Nov 25, 2018

johnydon22:
Why not? Isn't being "man" or "woman" according to them contingent on just saying you are? You should be able to jump through them at will, at any rate you want.

We're saying the same thing. According to them, gender can be changed by their say so.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 2:06pm On Nov 25, 2018

johnydon22:
So, an effeminate man is a woman then?

No! Effeminity does not gender make. Semenya is not a man!!

Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 2:04pm On Nov 25, 2018

johnydon22:
Agree to what? What vaxx said or that definition of woman?

That vaxx would agree with his own claim that truth is subjective.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 12:25am On Nov 25, 2018

vaxx:
Or is there european nation with such a system?

Yes there are. Consultation on UK's Gender Recognition Act closed on 19 October, after gathering testimonies for 16 weeks. And Ireland is reviewing their's.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 12:18am On Nov 25, 2018*

vaxx:
Buddha, No need of fourth and back argument. Scienctifc researched had go into this, brains of transgender people have been shown to match the gender of what they identify as. It's thought that the cause of it is a change in body chemistry during the early stages of pregnancy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

That's not quite what the link you posted to is saying. A read all the way through suggests the jury is out.

All the same, none of it is cited by those seeking to change gender that I have heard of, nor are the tests suggested by the studies in the link used to determine if gender swopping is appropriate. Most tests seem to just check you're not insane, and in some countries, parental consent is all a minor requires.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 11:21pm On Nov 24, 2018

vaxx:
what i personally discover is that most of those that under go transgender surgeries , their GENETIC make up is predominately female/male of the sex they want to become.

That's news, and not what I've found. If what you claim is true gender swapping would not involve hormonal therapy since their bodies would already be producing the proper gender.

vaxx:
Granted there is nurture vs nature aspects, but most of them are genetically female/ male regardless of the birth gender .

Don't understand. Sounds like you would claim Mokgadi Caster Semenya is really a man! I'll post a picture of her and her spouse, Violet Raseboya, then tell if genetic gender does not include the bits?

vaxx:
Those hospitals doing transgender surgeries require them to be genetically assessed before committing to the surgical procedures. That's After they go through the psycho/social assessment. Not All require it but most do.

I, buda, who may be described by some as a liberal with all the trimmings, think the medical profession are pandering to stupidity.

Most of gender swappers I've read about have more of nurture influences than nature. Or you'd have to wonder why the gods only make this mistake in affluent countries where people don't worry about their daily bread.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 11:00pm On Nov 24, 2018

johnydon22:
Male and female are biological classification which is not contingent on social behaviors. I can wear a dress and still be a man, i can be effeminate and still be a man.

And according to some, you can be a man or a woman and identify as a woman or man respectively. And even after you take their clothes off, you might not be able to say otherwise.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 10:56pm On Nov 24, 2018

Martinez19:
I guess I am six years old because I identify as a six year old.

69-year-old man demands to have age legally reduced to 49 - so he can DATE

Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 10:50pm On Nov 24, 2018

johnydon22:
He said "A woman is a person who says she is a woman"

Considering, I would have thought you'd agree.

vaxx:
Yes every true is subjective except what we want to make objective and that will be term as reality which is based on consensus agreement. The truth is always perceived by a subject, experienced by a subject. The subject, that is a human, is like a tint on the glass - the tint colors everything one looks at. This tint is comprised of one’s previous experiences, thoughts, ideas, beliefs, personality traits, emotional states, all the characteristics that comprise a person.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Cannot Be A Woman Vise Versa; Change My Mind by budaatum: 10:41pm On Nov 24, 2018

vaxx:
All major psychiatrist and psychiatric bodies agree that it is more beneficial and plausible for the individual to conform to their psychological identity than their biological one.

What johnydon22 is saying is he ain't having it, as in you don't get to decide your own gender. If you got a prick you're a diq, otherwise, your a female person. And lopping either off don't change that.

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