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Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum:
budaatum:
Does your bible not say anything about not bearing false witness? Or do you just have utter disregard for you own gods?
[quote author=ScienceWatch post=63654686]Buda says the HOLY BIBLE was written by SCAMMERS.
Please post link to your allegations.[/quote]
ScienceWatch:
were you drunk when you said it ? What happened to your memory, you said it not more than two days ago. Hey hey.

Or is this just another one of your sly ways to investigate your own self. I don't have time for this. I can only help you in April Sir.
ScienceWatch:
Ok I will give it to you seeing that you revel in your ignorance and want to impress your Satanic following.

Why can't you go find it yourself? Are you experiencing demonic oppression or afraid of the dark? Do you sleep with your head covered.
Please post link to post where buda said what you claim she said!
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum:
Thanks themonk, for this. I know it wasn't meant for me, and I am mindful your response to sw may apply to me so my apologies in advance.

themonk:
Once it is understood that atheism is merely the absence of belief in any gods, ............. The presence of a belief in a god and the absence of a belief in a god does not exhaust all of the possibilities.
It's the above, amongst other less important points that irked me. I, for instance, do not believe there are no gods, but having researched the subject extensively, know that gods do not exist. The thing is, it depends on who is judging my ability to my claim of knowing whether I am judged as arrogant, or a militant atheist. Not that I care.

My point is that one can know, so atheism is not limited to believe as you stated. An atheist can be a person who knows that gods do not exist outside the imagination of those who create the image of gods in their own minds.

Thanks again. Had to read it thrice!
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 2:55pm On Dec 27, 2017
themonk:
Seriously, I decided not to engage religious people in any argument whatsoever some time ago because i find it difficult to reason with them but then when i saw "sciencewatch" as his moniker, i thought he might be a lover of science and that i could reason with him a little, maybe teach him something and learn from him too. the first time he quoted me, he sounded hostile and i was like let me just calm down and explain to him he might understand but now i am so disappointed. angry . He just aims to win the argument and not to learn a thing, its sad. I pity him.
That trap caught me too! That's me learnt.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 2:53pm On Dec 27, 2017
I must make a commandment of this!

johnydon22:
You waste your time trying to engage the guy or the other one butterfly..

A little dose of attention they run wild with mind blowing nonsense that you begin to wonder.

Its nothing short of insanity really.

When ever you get such quotes, simply ignore and continue with people who actually understands what the hell you are talking about..
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheistic Reply To Emusmithy Thread by budaatum:
OtemAtum:
I am not Budaatum, I am Otem. We are two separate people. I am the one who said the bible is written by scammers, not Budaatum. And why do you think that it is only an atheist that can say such a thing?
OtemAtum, I assure you it doesn't make an ounce of difference to SW. His eye does not quite work like it ought to.

And he will never provide a link "where Richard Dawkins promised them intellectual salvation and a chance to hide from Mirosh(the MULTIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS)", as he can't provide links to imaginary thoughts that exist only in his head.
Christianity Etc › Re: 22 Year Study States Atheism In A Mental Disease? by budaatum(op): 7:13am On Dec 27, 2017
ScienceWatch:
I have no problem with that.
Really? Where is it then. Or is it invisible too?
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 10:35pm On Dec 26, 2017
Sorry my man. I am an atheist. I do not believe in invisible pools. And I refuse to become religious about one, even with special equipment.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 10:04pm On Dec 26, 2017
[quote author=butterflyl1on post=63636120][/quote]Buda walks away and calls Person A Delusional because Person A claims he has special equipment that allows him to observe invisible pools at the back of his house!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 9:51pm On Dec 26, 2017
butterflyl1on:
And jumping INTO meant touching the pool am I wrong?
I think you would be wrong, but jump in lets see whether what you bash your head on is the invisible pool, or the invisible paving on the invisible floor at the back of your invisible house.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 9:43pm On Dec 26, 2017
JackBizzle:
undecided

It's time to ignore your foolishness
Yep, time indeed.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 9:16pm On Dec 26, 2017
ScienceWatch:
So, why let everyone know that you have an INVISIBLE POOL at your house? By the way you said you had PAVING. where is it?
Mister, I don't have an invisible pool anywhere. The invisible pool belongs to butterflyl1on!
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 9:15pm On Dec 26, 2017
butterflyl1on:
You are talking to jackbizzle who called you a fool for saying I should touch the invisible pool by jumping into it and you in turn just called him a fool for saying the pool has water in it when I nor you ever hinted at that. grin

Both of you must love slinging mud at each other grin
Actually, I asked you to jump into the invisible pool at the back of your house so we can see what happens to your head!
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 9:11pm On Dec 26, 2017
ScienceWatch:
Wow ! That was very profound. You will make a very good detective. Budaatum almost fooled me here. All I know is that BudaAtum confused Jackbizzle while he had his nose up his ass. Buda Atum said something that the best science fiction writers has not dreamt up. He said to you, "Dont bump your head on the paving that is at the back of the house as you dive into the INVISIBLE POOL in front of the house. All I can say is that ButaAtum has invisible imagination, while it is lacking in Jackbizzle, Johnydon22 and TheMonk.
butterflyl1on:
Why would person A claim to have a physical pool at the back of his house if it wasn't there to start with?

Physical things require a physical assessment. Trying to talk about spiritual things by using physical examples such as this is plain ridiculous.

So let me rephrase.

Person A: There is an invisible pool at the back of my house

Person B: Let's go see (he asks this despite knowing that the word INVISIBLE was used)

We go to the back of the house and of course no pool can be seen by person B

Person B: (still ignoring the use of the word INVISIBLE) says I cannot see any pool.

Person A: (who is equipped to see the invisible pool) but I can see it, how come you cannot?

Person B: (ignores the question and also the use of the word INVISIBLE and calls others to come and see if they can see what he cannot)

Others: we also cannot see the pool (this they claim by following person B who ignored telling them that the pool is invisible and also they need to have special equipment before they can see it).

Person B: walks away and calls person A Delusional (while still ignoring the use of the word INVISIBLE and observing the special equipment being used by person A)
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 8:43pm On Dec 26, 2017
JackBizzle:
Lies in bold. Here is your comment that contradicts your claim that you didn't talk about touching the pool
They've gone from pool to arguing if there is water in it.
I blame me for allowing them to derail this thread. Please accept my apologies everyone.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 6:09pm On Dec 26, 2017
butterflyl1on:
grin cheesy

He is seeing a non existent paving WHEN THERE IS NONE.

you just killed me here with laughter my bro.
No, I just don't see an invisible pool but seeing whatever may be there. Bit I might be wrong. So dive into you invisible pool and lets see what happens to your head.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 5:32pm On Dec 26, 2017
He said the pool was invisible, not me. He also said the pool exists and is there. I'm asking him to dive into his invisible pool and lets see if he will split his head on the concrete I say I see.

I tire for you. This conversation is above your head. You lack the intellectual capacity to comprehend it. Let butterflyl1on deal with it himself. Do not troll please.

ScienceWatch:
With all due respect Sir. You are confusing yourself Sir. In your argument with the esteemed Butterfkyl1on, you did say the pool is INVISIBLE.
In your confused example, Person A dives into the INVISIBLE pool. Then you say express concern that person A might spit his head on the paving you see at the back of the house.

FLAKKA symptoms Sir.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 5:17pm On Dec 26, 2017
ScienceWatch:
Ok. How about something visible to all Atheists.
Where's the evidence for the report you promised to get me?
Christianity Etc › Re: 22 Year Study States Atheism In A Mental Disease? by budaatum(op): 5:13pm On Dec 26, 2017
ScienceWatch:
Stop ducking and diving......
Where is the evidence you promised me please?
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 4:52pm On Dec 26, 2017
So, are you suggesting I just say ok, when Person A says, "There is an invisible pool at the back of my house"? Imagine that person were ScienceWatch, he will then go about claiming buda agrees there is an invisible pool at the back of his house! I can't have that!

You pointed out that I should have noticed Person A said it was invisible. The reason I asked him to show it to me was to access the mental faculty of Person A. In my mind I'm thinking, "Is this person A mad, or does this Person A not know the meaning of invisible". It will confirm the former if Person A can't give me this special equipment so I can see the invisible pool. Perhaps the special equipment is invisible too?

I wonder, what happens when Person A dives into his invisible pool? Does some other special equipment stop him splitting his head on the paving I see in the back of his house?

Hopefully Person A does not bother my intelligence by asking me to dive into his invisible pool?


butterflyl1on:
Person A who told person B about the invisible pool did not tell him so person B can ask to see it.

What you should be asking should be " what sort of special equipment is this and how is it applied"? Is it an external or an internal equipment? If external then person A Can offer person B same equipment but if internal then person A Has to show person B how to get and apply this internal equipment at the request of person B. But does person B ask the right questions and apply the right methodology for viewing? No he does not but simply runs around saying he cannot see this invisible pool despite knowing there is special equipment needed and ignoring the fact that it is invisible.
Christianity Etc › Re: 22 Year Study States Atheism In A Mental Disease? by budaatum(op): 4:28pm On Dec 26, 2017
Whatever.

Where's the evidence you promised me?

ScienceWatch:
Stop
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 4:18pm On Dec 26, 2017
butterflyl1on:
Why would person A claim to have a physical pool at the back of his house if it wasn't there to start with?

Physical things require a physical assessment. Trying to talk about spiritual things by using physical examples such as this is plain ridiculous.

So let me rephrase.

Person A: There is an invisible pool at the back of my house

Person B: Let's go see (he asks this despite knowing that the word INVISIBLE was used)

We go to the back of the house and of course no pool can be seen by person B

Person B: (still ignoring the use of the word INVISIBLE) says I cannot see any pool.

Person A: (who is equipped to see the invisible pool) but I can see it, how come you cannot?

Person B: (ignores the question and also the use of the word INVISIBLE and calls others to come and see if they can see what he cannot)

Others: we also cannot see the pool (this they claim by following person B who ignored telling them that the pool is invisible and also they need to have special equipment before they can see it).

Person B: walks away and calls person A Delusional (while still ignoring the use of the word INVISIBLE and observing the special equipment being used by person A)
"Person A: (who is equipped to see the invisible pool) but I can see it, how come you cannot? "

How? How is Person A equipped to see invisible pools? Does Person A not know Person B does not have "special equipment"? Why doesn't Person A not give Person B that equipment so Person B can see invisible pools?
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 4:11pm On Dec 26, 2017
CandidSeeker:
I responded to the OP with established definitions that you can verify.

You're here alleging pedantry, all because your ego will not allow you to accept that you are also religious.

Becareful not to generalize. I'm not one of those who says Christianity is not a religion, the bolded part of my post which you quoted says 'we are all religious.

-Peace.
We are not all religious. Me of us are so irreligous that dinner can be at any time.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 4:05pm On Dec 26, 2017
butterflyl1on:
I am still waiting for your list of supernatural things an atheist can believe in and yet disbelieve in God who is also of the supernatural.
I hate to say, but I agree with you on this. Imagine the 'atheist' who believes in ghosts, or fairies, or aliens, or even, angels, but claims to not believe in the existence of gods! Can all the argument that atheist uses to disprove gods not be used to disprove the existence of ghosts, fairies, angels or aliens?

I'll say such an atheist suffers from cognitive dissonance!
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 3:58pm On Dec 26, 2017
Sapiosexuality:
What exactly is atheism if it is not a BELIEF?
The atheist will claim his/her position is based on the evidence and knowledge, and is not a belief.

I, for instance, do not believe there are no gods, I know there are no gods. However, watch the opprobrium I get for daring to claim to know such a thing.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 3:38pm On Dec 26, 2017
Deicide:
This is more of a Biological argument and not a religious one but it still relates.

IF WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS WHY ARE THERE STILL MONKEYS? grin

This s#it must end 2018 grin cause it makes you wonder if the person even has a knowledge of what he/she is talking about.
You are naughty. lol
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 3:36pm On Dec 26, 2017
Lol!

Fegelfire:
Are you... mentally challenged? Do you not know how to google something or borrow an encyclopaedia from a local library? huh

Gautama Buddha was a man who lived in Eastern India around 2600 years ago, 600 years before Jesus and 1200 years before Mohammad. He did not claim to be the "son of god", nor did he claim to be a prophet. He merely began taught a practice and way of life that drew a compromise between the cruelty of Vedic practices (etc. caste systems) and the asceticism of East India (fasting, self-destruction, etc.).

Some Buddhists do believe in spirits and other such stuff, yes. But to call Buddhism "theistic" and that they see Gautama as "God" is straight nonsense.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 3:35pm On Dec 26, 2017
Geofavor:
Buddhism is Theistic. They call their God Buddha.
No they don't.

The Buddha was born as Siddhartha Gautama in Nepal around 2,500 years ago. He did not claim to be a god or a prophet. He was a human being who became Enlightened, understanding life in the deepest way possible. Source



There are numerous false understandings that claim the Buddha is god and should be worshipped. But they are in error.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 3:25pm On Dec 26, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
all pedantry does is stop discussion in its tracks

this muddles up a lot of things as anything can be a religion, I'm extremely enthusiastic about eating food, so food is a religion?
Religion is not the same as being religious. I may religiously eat dinner at 6pm everyday. It does not mean I worship my 'dinner' or '6pm' nor is 'eating' my god.

Thanks CandidSeeker for pointing this out
CandidSeeker:
RELIGION MAY OR MAYNOT INVOLVE GOD.

Going By The Definitions Below, We Are All Religious
.

An activity that someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly. -Cambridge

A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion. -Oxford Living Dictionaries

A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects. -Dictionary.com

An interest, a belief or an activity that is very important to a person or group. -Webster
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 3:18pm On Dec 26, 2017
Samsimple:
I agree atheism is not a religion then what the hell are you guys f*cking doing in this motherf*cking religion section other than to disturb dem f*cking believers
There unfortunately isn't a Philosophy Section. We would gladly be there instead.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ridiculous Arguments That Must End In 2017 by budaatum: 3:16pm On Dec 26, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
create a different thread and let's trash this
What! Again?
Christianity Etc › Re: 22 Year Study States Atheism In A Mental Disease? by budaatum(op): 2:43pm On Dec 26, 2017
ScienceWatch:
What more can I say in the face of all this attack? You say you want to ban me. Are angry that the internet is flooded with the shocking findings of an "alleged" German clinical study on Atheism.
Stop being paranoid. No one wants to ban you, though if you were banned nl would be better for it.

You say "the internet is flooded", just provide us with links to this study of yours please. We would like to see it.
Christianity Etc › Re: ' Atheist Professor ' Gets Embarrassed By Superior Logical Thinker by budaatum: 1:55pm On Dec 26, 2017
First be educated. One does not have to be confused to ask a question. Ot could be asked for that purppse, of course, but can also be a rhetorical question, one to make you consider what you mean.

Now, here is what you previously said.
butterflyl1on:
[b]Baby has no idea [/b]who mummy is and here is proof. Any other woman can place a tit in babys mouth and baby would gladly accept it. Baby asks no questions just has a hardwired set of commands such as eat, cry, shït and sleep (in no particular order).
But below you are saying baby has idea of some things - suck, crawl, stand.

For your information, new born babies do not know how to crawl or stand. These are learned behaviour. Also know a baby will suck at whatever you place in its mouth. Try a finger. It probably does this to satisfy the external stimuli called hunger.

A baby does not know if a thing is true or not. Nor does it believe anything. It does not even trust, as you pointed out. If you placed a fire in front of it it will grab at it. It basically just exists which is why you have to care for it. It acquires knowledge as it grows up, and it forms beliefs from its experience.

If beliefs were inherited, it would mean they are concepts one has accepted with no consideration on ones part. You may see how it negates freethinking perhaps, and freewill. Surely if that were the case - that there is no freewill - then we would all think and believe the same things and there would be no differences between us.

Do consider the questions I posed in my previous. Your thought on them interest me.

butterflyl1on:
belief
noun
A. an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

B. trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).

The B part speaks for itself when I said earlier that we are hardwired to trust and be dependant. It's in our DNA. We always look up to what we see as LOVING, TRUSTING, WARM, KIND, etc.

A baby has never crawled or walked in his life but even without any observation, a baby somehow has the belief it can crawl and eventually can stand. It even also has the belief it can sit.

It's trust and confidence level is huge when it comes to being assisted. So tiny yet for the first time sees people so huge but never frets and never shows fear. Rather it immediately begins seeking comfort from these giants without fear of being crushed, dropped etc.

Regarding your question about zero knowledge and zero belief I thought you said knowledge and belief are not linked so why now ask such a question? Are you confused?

Knowledge is JUSTIFIED TRUE BELIEF. A baby has belief but when the belief is JUSTIFIED or PROVEN via observation or intelligence, it becomes knowledge. Knowledge it can work with at anytime.

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