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 Christianity Etc › Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by budaatum: 6:17pm On Oct 23, 2017 |
CoolUsername:The concept is portrayed with the phoenix. It is said to obtains new life by arising from the ashes of its predecessor. Some have suggested Christ is a phoenix motif |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by budaatum: 5:02pm On Oct 23, 2017 |
hopara1:Because, if A were talking and B butted in, A would have to ask, "what made that noise?" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: As We Await Tomorrow's Anti Christian Threads On Nairaland by budaatum: 3:45pm On Oct 23, 2017 |
Seun:The atheists should have a day too then. I propose Thor's Day, or the Moon Day! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: As We Await Tomorrow's Anti Christian Threads On Nairaland by budaatum: 3:36pm On Oct 23, 2017 |
konjinus:Atheist (some, at least) are 'after' those who believe in creators and all that it entails, be they those held by Christians, Jews, Muslims, Spaghetti Monsters or Obatala worshippers etc. If existing creator beliefs and the ideas that follow were not so influential in our society, if they only affected the individual who held these beliefs, the atheist, some at least, wouldn't bother. I, for instance, have not yet come across anyone who'd take a position to the spanking brand new red Ferrari I keep insisting I'd buy with the imaginary million pounds that I can't yet decide is in my hands, in my pocket or in the bank. I expect someone would care when I ask them to go to the shop with me to buy it and give a lift back home in it, or better still, let them have a drive of it. But for now, no one cares. "Believe what you want buda", is the response I seem to hear, and that's what most say when they meet those who keep their gods to themselves. The belief in a creator affects everyone. Nigerians pray quite a lot to it, and they like proselytising. One need just go about ones living and see how often someone preaches god. The issue is, if it does not exist then all that time used in praying is wasted effort that could better be used in working in a factory for instance. For now though, those in charge sure know to open shop to sell people what they've convinced people to need, and for now, gods are it, and pray and worship buildings is what abounds. Can you see how this affects job creation and the individuals self actualisation? Many would rather work for their daily bread but are being offered the promise of bread in the after life, if one just believed. That bread sounds like stones to the atheist. konjinus:Some atheists appear to be angry with god, but I would claim this is simply due to their misuse of language. You would even come across atheists who claim they, "do not believe gods exist", without realising they are more agnostic than atheists. If you delve deep into what the atheist is saying, you would understand that their perceived anger at god is a mere argument technique, and they use the religious statement, "to believe", to express their position I had a fellow atheist claim I was ignorant, arrogant and a disgrace to the atheist community (it was implied), for the sole reason that I do not do 'belief' where the existence of gods are concerned. I have not yet been able to bring myself to it, but that comment has made me consider conceding and revising a position I took in this thread against KingEbukasBlog. Arrogance, as he accused, is the only reason I haven't! I can now see how saying one lacks belief in non-existent gods is indeed stupid, though that was not the crux of our argument, I dare state. Most atheists do not accept that gods exist and some go so far to claim gods do not exist, so they can't be angry with gods, as that would amount to me being angry at my imaginary million pounds! What most atheists get riled up against are the premises and ideas that are dependent on the statement, 'there is/are gods', which they would claim is a statement that has no evidence in support and believing it does more harm than good, not only to the holder of such beliefs, but to society in general. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ex-christians Now Atheists, What Was The Craziest Thing You Did Out Of Faith? by budaatum: 11:11pm On Oct 20, 2017 |
Martinez19:I don't qualify, least not technically. I was baptised as a baby - got a certificate to show I was, and I did go to church a lot at some stage; had to to understand what people meant. But it was never catching, so I can't say I was ever a Christian, having not been filled with the stuff apart from baptism and voluntarily to get understanding about what is meant when people say 'God'. I've always had faith I'd eat a meal a day though. And there's been times it seemed I might not. But that day hasn't come about yet. And I have faith it never will. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Are Agnostics Also Atheists? An Interesting Discussion! by budaatum: 10:25pm On Oct 20, 2017 |
ScepticalPyrrho:Butting in again. If I believe in God, it is an absolute belief, and, "thank you God for making me arrogant about you", is what I'd say in the privacy of talking to my God. There might be the little issue about my belief not being knowledge, but who's quibbling? Hey, I'm wearing a helmet this time, shoot! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Are Agnostics Also Atheists? An Interesting Discussion! by budaatum: 10:17pm On Oct 20, 2017 |
STUPUDTHEISTS:I thought I understood. Sorry. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Are Agnostics Also Atheists? An Interesting Discussion! by budaatum: 1:46pm On Oct 20, 2017 |
STUPUDTHEISTS:Rubbish, with profuse apologies, but rubbish all the same. People believe all sorts of things. Some even claim their beliefs are true. I read stuff from them here everyday. One of them just came out and said his subjectivity is objectivite, and resorted to insults when my subjectivity clashed with his. But beliefs are thoughts in ones head. I'm still having trouble buying that spanking brand new red Ferrari with the million pounds I like believing I have somewhere! Beliefs may, and usually have no bearing on reality and to claim they [always] have is, I am sorry to repeat, rubbish! I am not agnostic! I do not 'believe' where the topic at hand is concerned. The fact you may think I am foolish and arrogant is your belief, a mere thought in your subjective head. It may not reflect reality. P.s. If I were a Christian and claimed to believe in God, It is my belief that God should be well pissed off with me for merely believing. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Dark Ages by budaatum: 12:48pm On Oct 20, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Humpty Dumptyism ‘I don’t know what you mean by “glory,”’ Alice said. Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. ‘Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!”’ ‘But “glory” doesn’t mean “a nice knock-down argument,”’ Alice objected. ‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.’ Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Dark Ages by budaatum: 12:45pm On Oct 20, 2017 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Dark Ages by budaatum: 12:33pm On Oct 20, 2017 |
Beware of the Discoverers of the River Niger OLAADEGBU:It is not true that North Korea is an atheist nation, nor did its leaders attempt to make it so. Neither is reason the leading ideology of North Korea. North Korea constantly feeds its people an opiate and the leading ideology is the Kim family. In a way, North Korea became one big religious nation – but it also became a grave full of lies. That’s because North Korean propaganda is like its own religion. The propaganda suggests that immortality is possible through its endorsement of Kim Il-sung’s ideology. The propaganda says that while your body will perish after death, the political life is immortal. Such beliefs made Kim Il-sung the only God in North Korea — and a belief system that would sometimes demand people’s lives. So while North Korea refuted Marxist materialism – its official ideology made Kim Il-sung a God – and in a way, it left its people to be captivated by folk religion. Guardian |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Power Of A Simple Idea- Atheism And Its Spread by budaatum: 4:51am On Oct 20, 2017 |
Dalam0n: Since Christianity started 500 years later , it means at some point there were atheists and no Christians and more atheists than Christians(when Christianity began).Dalam0n, atheism never had a start per se, contrary to quote above. There have always been people who were against the existence of the gods even prior to Christianity, but the majority were what we today call pagans, i.e. worshippers of Zeus and co in the Greek world, Jupiter and co in the Roman and tons more in Egypt, to name a few. Everywhere had its god. Non-believers in the gods were always a minority and increased significantly after the Reformation in the 16th century when freedom to think was unshackled from the tyranny of the Roman Catholic Church. Prior to that, they burnt people who denied the existence of their preferred gods or orthodoxy for heresy. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Creationist's Idea On Dinosoars And Other Scientific Prehistoric Findings by budaatum: 1:53am On Oct 20, 2017 |
vaxx:Shows how insidiously we've been fed information. This year marks the 500th year since Martin Luther stuck his 95 Theses on All Saints Church in Wittenburg and started the Reformation which led to the Protestant Church. He later went on to translate Jerome's Vulgate to vernacular German and freed people from the authority of the popes. Subsequent bibles in peoples languages followed and the wool blinding people to the truth got smaller. People are less fooled today, but there's a long way to go yet. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism Does Not Reject Religion , It Is Extremely Stupid Atheists Think It Does by budaatum: 11:42pm On Oct 19, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:I do not discuss "the bible , religious beliefs , religious doctrine" because of god, they just happen to be the vehicle through which some human minds are expressed and that, if nothing else, intrigues me. The bible is the text on which Christian doctrine and belief is based on so I read it as I read my Quran to understand Muslims. I go to church sometimes to explore this same human mind exhibiting itself. I do the same with Islamic beliefs. Peoples religion affects the culture I live and has to do with the existence of the human being. If one does not express opinion, especially if it were to differ ones, I can just about see a tithe of 10% deducted from my pay at source! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Creationist's Idea On Dinosoars And Other Scientific Prehistoric Findings by budaatum: 7:47pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
Wilgrea7:Religious text tend not to be history, and even history shouldn't be believed as it's always a perspective. I remember being taught that Mungo Park discovered the River Niger. You'd think the people living by it didn't know it was there. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Creationist's Idea On Dinosoars And Other Scientific Prehistoric Findings by budaatum: 1:38am On Oct 18, 2017 |
Wilgrea7:On a more serious note, I wonder if your friend had come across the following. It's out of sync, but if 6 days can be stretched to any number of years to suit, "children of men" could mean whatever one wants, and well, those giants are huge! [Chapter 6] 1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens. [Chapter 7] 1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones. The Book of Enoch |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Creationist's Idea On Dinosoars And Other Scientific Prehistoric Findings by budaatum: 12:59am On Oct 18, 2017 |
The dinosaur in the room. They never existed na! Dino Timeline The first dinosaurs appeared around 231 million years ago (mya) in a time known as the Mesozoic Era. Scientists divide this era into 3 periods: the Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous. Select a section of the timeline below to see dinosaurs that lived then. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 2:25pm On Oct 17, 2017 |
ZandhaZaraZ:The entire thread was a mind exercise. The errors were pointed out at the beginning but his premise of contingency was still entertained for the sake of discussion. He mixes up his subjective with objectivity is a huge flaw in his reasoning, but a subject he will gnaw on for awhile. Work done here. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 11:41am On Oct 17, 2017 |
ZandhaZaraZ: ZandhaZaraZ: vaxx:No one can show you your beliefs are absurd vaxx. The more evidence presented to you, the more your subjective view would blind you to your very own absurdity. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 11:23am On Oct 17, 2017 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 11:19am On Oct 17, 2017 |
Stop being stuck in water! We used it to illustrate how much research is necessary. You said water was hydrogen and oxygen. I posted what I considered to be evidence that there is a lot more to water than its constituent molecules and that the evidence came about through further extensive research. vaxx: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 11:14am On Oct 17, 2017 |
vaxx:Objectivity is a central philosophical concept, related to reality and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings. A proposition is generally considered objectively true (to have objective truth) when its truth conditions are met without biases caused by feelings, ideas, opinions, etc., of a sentient subject. A second, broader meaning of the term refers to the ability in any context to judge fairly, without partiality or external influence. This second meaning of objectivity is sometimes used synonymously with neutrality. Wiki Subjectivity is a central philosophical concept, related to consciousness, agency, personhood, reality, and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Three common definitions include that subjectivity is the quality or condition of: Something being a subject, narrowly meaning an individual who possesses conscious experiences, such as perspectives, feelings, beliefs, and desires.[1] Something being a subject, broadly meaning an entity that has agency, meaning that it acts upon or wields power over some other entity (an object).[2] Some information, idea, situation, or physical thing considered true only from the perspective of a subject or subjects.[3] These various definitions of subjectivity are sometimes joined together in philosophy. The term is most commonly used as an explanation for that which influences, informs, and biases people's judgments about truth or reality; it is the collection of the perceptions, experiences, expectations, personal or cultural understanding, and beliefs specific to a person. It is often used in contrast to the term objectivity,[1] which is described as a view of truth or reality which is free of any individual's influence. Wiki |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How To Be An Atheist by budaatum: 2:40pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
Thanks for the thread Purem. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How To Be An Atheist by budaatum: 2:35pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
ScienceWatch:You've converted me to ScienceWath's troll. I don't like it, but I can't help myself! ScienceWatch:Any update yet? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 1:21pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
vaxx:I promise. This is the last one on this thread. We could have told you the premise of your initial postulate was wrong. We didn't, because it was going somewhere even though your idea of contingency was flawed. It was pointed out to you that the question "who" was a leading question, but you wouldn't have it. To start with, if there is a creating thing, you are assuming it is human like, as that is what the word "who" implies. You are also narrowing the discussion between your narrow parameters, but we are willing to work with that as an hypothesis. But when you claim you subjectivity is objective, you show that you should have continued to learn. Substituting subjective opinion for objective reality is a flaw that many have and it can only be cured by recognising one is doing so and understanding how not to. From experience, I assure you it takes a lot of practise, and one will still find quite a lot of subjectivity in ones so valued objective view. But you don't even try! But that is the beauty of this wonderful thread you started. Least you discovered something about yourself. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 12:56pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
vaxx:Sorry, but not so much that "your subjective" is silly, it isn't, but to present your subjectivity as objective reality is silly. And objectivity is possible. Scientists have to be objective. That's why other scientists have to be able to repeat your experiments for validity. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 12:50pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
vaxx:Is that like a fourth element? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 12:46pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah:Hope you read this vaxx. Even hydrogen has been researched much further than "it is hydrogen, lets stop there". |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 12:41pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
supersystemsnig:Thanks for this. One should avoid seeing what one wants to see and really look to see what actually is. The two are not the same thing. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 12:25pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
vaxx:I don't post what I haven't read! No one is saying water is not the molecules that it consists of. My point is that the constituent atoms is one single aspect of water. There's a lot more to water than its ingredients and studies on water continue to this day. vaxx:What? That stupid brain in a stupid head? I guess I must have been wrong all along. Now that you tell me how infallible my brain is, I have used mine to determine there are no gods. Thanks for enlightening me. vaxx:Now, isn't that what we say? I use the three elements as you suggest, but I bet the first thought on reading my no god comment in the minds of some is, this person's mind is not balanced, "the elements are wrong in this person", "this person needs a psychological checkup"! vaxx:So, let us believe there is a god and that it created the universe. It is not perceivable with the senses, but lets believe it anyway.......See where I'm going here? Are we believing it for the time being because of the limits of our so called "brain consciousness" or do we need a "psychological checkup"? vaxx: vaxx:My last post before the weekend was going to be this The Scientific Method: Beliefs vs. Verifiable Facts But I got busy. I post it now to put words to your diagram because I believe it says what your diagram says and shows if I understand your diagram. I wouldn't post it if I hadn't read it. Please note that the last two bullet points: • Communicate and publish results, undergo objective peer review (one hopes not endure subjective peer pressure to conform to accepted conventional wisdom!) • Retest (frequently done by other scientists) I told you, you should have checked if it was raining and not just accept my believing it is! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 1:02am On Oct 15, 2017 |
vaxx:The rain. Two days ago, I got an engineer in to fit the brand new made in North Korea Kim Jong-un air conditioning unit that I had bought. Its not like those made in China rubbish. This one is voice controlled, has no visible internal unit, cools the room and makes no noise - or so they told me where I bought it, though now I know, that noise we heard that made me believe it was raining outside was my brand new Kim Jong-un air condition unit powering up when the electricity came back on. I am sorry I forgot to tell you it got installed. We went out a couple of hours later and everywhere was dry, except the patio. On looking up, water was dripping from the clothes the Neighbour's house girl, Kudiratu Alinorain, had hung out to dry on the rails of the balcony upstairs. The water I felt was falling from the clothes, splashing on the ledge and falling on my head like it was rain. As soon as my senses perceived the water, I believed it was raining due to experience and did not bother to investigate any further. Besides, I was angry at you for not believing me when I told you I believed it was raining! But its not my fault I was clueless now! Did I not hear water falling from above, and perceive water falling from above and decide from experience that water falling from above was rain? How could I have known the neighbour's house girl, Kudiratu Alinorain was hanging clothes out to dry? I did ask you to go and check for yourself! My point is, my senses might not be as good as I think they are, and a second opinion might help. At the very least, I would not make that mistake again, and that's how we learn. Please read up on water at wiki. You'd find information on water goes quite a lot further than "one oxygen atom and two hydrogen atoms". 1 Like |
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