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keppler:
Oh my! Like I explained previously, one need to be consistent with his belief system. The Christians have the Bible as the final authority. Difference may arise in doctrinal issues but there are generics that ties the different camps together.

This is like saying "one must not kill", yet we all know murderers exist. Or love your enemies, yet there are lots of Christians who can't even love their neighbours.

There is no reason that fallible humans must be consistent with their beliefs, and the fact that we are humans makes it virtually impossible for us to be.

keppler:
I don't know of any atheist that was born so, many (especially in Nigeria) got such concept from outside world and fed on their literature to be able to make arguments against Christianity. These body of literature largely echo those concepts which I used and it'd be dishonesty to accuse me of fabricating them. For example, atheism has been defined by disbelief in God, but since arguments used by atheists are not strong enough with such definition, it was CHANGED to a 'lack of belief in God'.

Then admit you do not know instead of filling what you do not know with untruths and unverified facts, why don't you?

I was an atheist from birth. And not a "don't believe Gods exist" atheist, but a "know Gods don't exist" atheist. So welcome to meeting one, albeit a somewhat ex one since I am more theistic now, though atheistic in the original sense of the word which actually means "Not believing in the Gods of Athens", since I do not believe, period.

My point is, even one's definition of the word depends on the knowledge of it that one has, which is why one should seek a definition instead of imposing one on others as I am alleging you are doing here.

keppler:
Again, I am certainly aware that this definition was not made by our Nigerian atheist, but they got it from the literature that they consume. So it will not be cool to accuse me of using concept from such body of literature because it may put some atheists in some sort of corner.

Perhaps you have not been here long enough. When you have, you might understand that just as you have here lots of Christians who have not read their Bible do you also have some very ignorant atheists who have not consumed any literature at all, along with the opposites of both, which might make you realise the error of generalising or imposing definitions and assumptions on others.

LordReed:
Those events mentioned are stories, those who believe, believe they were real events. When I meet them were they are in their beliefs there is no standard that says I must believe it in other to discuss it. Just like I don't need to believe in actual Harry Potter in other to discuss the story elements.

That's true. But surely, how you discuss them matters, won't you think?

I mean, why would you discuss on the assumptive premise of existence, a thing or being you do not believe or think exists, and which's existence has not been resolved?

Perhaps an example might be illustrative. Consider this, for instance. Can you see how one is misled?

Don't you think that claiming God is narcissistic implies or at the least leaves room for the inference of the existence of said God in order for it to be narcissistic?

emonis88:
I must say I ve bn wasting my presious time arguing with a baby who knows nothing. all I can say is since he is doing a great job as u say, may u future be like bubu's administration of Nigeria. Amen.

You clearly do know nothing. If you did know anything, you will not claim buda said "since he is doing a great job as u say", nor would you ignorantly assume that bubu's administration can have any impact on responsible buda's present not to talk of buda's future like bubu seems to be having on your's which is why you are wailing "bubu" all over the place.

keppler:
I guess budaa confused my assertion here. I am not saying that atheist cannot be moral, but there is is no logical ground or objective for morality in an atheistic worldview.

But this is not true! First, as Lordreed told you, "There is no such thing as Atheist worldview. There are worldviews that accommodate atheism not the other way around".

And how much more logical or objective grounds do you need than if you slap an atheist it might hurt so they might reason that slapping you might hurt you too, ergo, don't slap?

I mean, you are aware that even atheists say please and thank you, right, and do not particularly go about murdering people?

emonis88:
see this narrow minded simpliton, so u think I m sitting myself down n doing nothing? If truely u r busy tilling d ground, I don't think u would think another person was sitting any lazy ass down. And u won't come online arguing about a situation every dick n Harry in Nigeria knows is happening, unless u r a spoon fed simpliton who doesn't know his right from his left, that just picks up his phone to argue online, thinking he is really doing great work championing an already lost cause.

Fact is, bubu is not responsible for feeding you. He called you lazy fuqs, for Christ's sakes, so why would he?

Be responsible and stop blaming bubu because he only serves at your democratic pleasure and will be kicked out by you when the time you've given him to rule over you ends.

I can just hope you chose wisely next time of course, Mr "dick n Harry in Nigeria"!

keppler:
Alright! I understand the issues of onus. Anyway, what are your belief system? Since I called those concepts generics, but it seems their maybe orthodox and unorthodox version of atheism

No, stop wiggling to get out of this because it just screams of dishonesty!

Your concepts are neither generic nor orthodox nor unorthodox. They are just plain false, as false as claiming all Christians believe there's hell or that Jesus Christ is God!

Just as Christians don't all believe the same thing do atheists not believe or disbelieve the same things.

keppler:
It's still me, I'll discuss with this moniker

I intentionally asked you to answer within your worldview because I know that there's no such concept of good, bad, or human well being in an atheistic/materialism worldview.

Sorry, but I can't myself see how you can know this especially because its untrue.

I'm sure atheists know that stealing is not good since they'd obviously resent being stolen from or be thrown in jail if they steal, and there are atheist doctors who specifically earn a living from selling human well being.

Are you not imposing your own worldview here keppler then claiming it belongs to someone else, like an atheist for instance?

LordReed:
When I say Harry Potter killed Voldemort, doesn't it mean that I believe there is an actual Harry Potter, an actual Voldemort and an actual event took place during which actual Harry Potter killed actual Voldemort? Or do you understand I am referring to the story in which these fictional characters were portrayed?

But surely it would depend. If say there were some argument about the actual existence of Harry Potter and Voldemort, then one might need to ask what you mean, especially if the word "believe" comes into the discussion, and if you go about claiming Harry Potter is a murderer who killed Voldemort.

How can a narcissist fictional God "flood the world killing all the babies and unborn fetuses", and "killed David's child because he committed adultery", and "killed all the first born of Egypt"?

Are the "flood the world killing all the babies and unborn fetuses", and "killed David's child because he committed adultery", and "killed all the first born of Egypt" fictional too perhaps, just like Harry Potter and Voldemort are fictional along with the fictional event that never took place?

LordReed:
When I married her I believed the same things even though this perspective never occurred to me then. It is when I shed myself of belief that it became clear to me. In as much as she doesn't become a baby killing monster then I am pleased to remain her husband. The beliefs in her head do not bother me, her actions are my concern.

Also if you can't point out how I misrepresented the god then stop saying it.

Ah, now that explains it. You believed in the same God but just did not see God as a narcissist at the time but now you've shed yourself of beliefs it has now become clear to you that God is a narcissist.

Yet, I am confused. I thought you are an atheist. Is there a narcissistic God in existence or is it just your new belief that a narcissistic God, erm, shall I say, exists? Clarify please.

Are you aware that Time, Kronos, was once a God? He was married to Rhea, by whom he became the father of Hestia, Demeter, Hera, Hades, Poseidon, and Zeus. Cheiron is also called a son of Cronus.

https://www.theoi.com/Titan/TitanKronos.html#:~:text=KRONOS%20(Cronus)%20was%20the%20King,Ouranos%20(Uranus%2C%20Sky).

LordReed:
She believes in a god who flood the world killing all the babies and unborn fetuses. She believes in a god who killed David's child because he committed adultery. She believes in a god who killed all the first born of Egpyt. Do you need more examples or are you satisfied that there's no misrepresentation my dear buda?

And you married her knowing she believes in a God whom you claim did all these things?

Why?

Was she the only woman in your neighborhood and you could not find one who believes in a better God, or are you misrepresenting the God your wife believes in?

Dtruthspeaker:
Dtruthspeaker:
what you did not know.was that if there is No God, there would be No Laws,

Good. Now provide evidence for the above assertion of your's please, because, as a lawyer you must know that just stating something does not make it so.

LordReed:
My wife doesn't go around killing babies because she believes in a narcissistic god who does, that is what is important.

This is a lie, my Lord, and a very annoying one at that!

Your wife does not believe in a "narcissistic god who does" or you would not have married her. So, it's either you misrepresent your wife's God or your wife's beliefs or yourself

Clarify please my Lord, because you do this too often for it to be ignored.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet I have presented it...!

You've presented nothing to show laws are not man made or that they came from Gods.

You can simply quote yourself if you have.

Dtruthspeaker:
Any who is not The True Friend of The Lord Shall be found Guilty by Law and shall be Condemned to a horrible horrible dying!

By [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=NIV]our fruits[/url] shall we be judged, and not by our Lordism.

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truespeak:
See how you Contradict and Oppose yourself?

You say "have to follow or defy"

The two cancel out themselves!

For if you follow, you cannot be said to have defied and if you defy, you have not followed, thus you have cancelled out yourself and your question!

Therefore I can not be reasonably expected to answer that which you have verily cancelled and killed from the beginning!

Next living question please!

It really is a very ill-conceived statement/question.

JastSiryin:
So the ones that got away would've been the ones to nourish you completely abi?... Or do you think our food to nourishment/energy conversion is a 100%?

Tell the truth. You just wanted to quote buda so it can be said you are intelligent and smart.

I mean, see as you make it sound like buda said just drink the dirty water and you'd be completely nourished and your energy conversion will be 100%.

I'll say it. You are very intelligent and very smart.

HellVictorinho:
_#@$__$$$$#$-&_$$$$#@@;;-
budaatum wants to know what I ate.
Like seriously??

You don't need to tell me if you don't want to.

emonis88:
ehn! that clarified, don't u think they ve bn keeping dat money with d teacher bf now n nothing happened? but as d economy is going to blazes n things getting harder d guy put hand into d money n didn't know what to do so he ran away with d whole thing. Those who ve bn commiting suicides since bubu came into power cus our economy has gone South since then una no Dey see them o! na to Dey support blindly na im una just Dey do. abi u sef Dey follow chop inside dat y u Dey even try pick fight cus of them.

What do you mean by "didn't know what to do", a whole teacher that parents trust to teach their children what to do? Was he teaching their children to steal too?

They must be stupid and irresponsible if they kept ₦2m with a teacher, and they should all be made to pay it all back! And if they chose to commit suicide, then good riddance to rubbish because Nigeria needs fewer of them.

emonis88:
Yes I blame bubu cus people like u who don't see d different ramifications dat d dwindling economy is metamorphosizing into n cusing more harm than good. but u il not see it na even if it bit u in ur aršê.

Of course I will not see it. I am far too busy tilling the ground for my daily bread to see that bubu is starving your lazy ass and maybe if you too were tilling the ground for your daily bread you would not be here begging bubu for your daily bread.

emonis88:
ah! na u be thief o! no be me o! if bubu make u thief na u sabi o!

Aba! Were you not the one blaming bubu for you stealing? I mean, see your own words now! Abi no be you write am, or did bubu not pay your school fees so you don't know what you meant?

emonis88:
na bubu we go blame na! abi na me be president weh come make usless policies? weh destroy economy, the herdsmen n banditry crisis u hear everyday is as an outcome n to distract d people from d economy going to blazes. na to run comot from 9ja, till bubu leaves dat office, then d teacher can consider coming back to payback o!

HellVictorinho:
You are so lazy that you can't use your mind to do more than this(accuse falsely and deny).

What did you eat this morning? I myself had my usual coffee.

YourMajesty:
Don't rope everyone into the mistake you and your likes made twice.

Speak for yourself next time.

Lol.

Sorry, but I did not vote for bubu despite what many assume. But even by not voting for him, one is still responsible for him being president and until that is realised, our suffering (and not that I myself suffer before you assume I am because I am not suffering at all) will continue until we wake up and realise that we are responsible for our rulers because they are not imposed on us from Mars.

Dtruthspeaker:
Now, be Truthful, shall he who said these wicked and false Accusations Against The Owner of The House, that is to come?

Shall such a false and very Unreasonable Accuser enter?

Will one be standing at the gate with The Owner of The House judging who shall enter?

Is it not written that one should mind one's own forest instead of anothers mote?

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Will you enter dt or will you be gnashing your teeth?

I am just so happy that we Nigerians elected bubu for two terms, because, after him, there is just no way people will sleep and let someone like him become president again by claiming "election na scam", "vote don't count", "na rig dem rig am", because whatever way the president becomes the president, we now know that it is we Nigerians who will suffer while the people we elected by commission or omission will be enjoying themselves at our expense!


Join the Nairaland Democratic Party and be the difference you want to see!

Anyone with a link to watch please?

I just can not justify Sky for this!

Dtruthspeaker:
I do love them but neither do we bear the sword, Shield, amour and helmet for decoration!

You stick knives in the backs of those you love?

You will need to forgive me if it seems like I do not have the time to waste to respond to you. It's just that there are more intelligent people I'd rather spend my time responding to.

LordReed:
LMAO! That one may need 7 baths in the pool of Siloam.

He has not qualified for the pool yet because he hasn't even qualified for the mud!

Sorry Dt, but you really do know nothing about the History of Law, because no credible teaching will inform you that laws were made by Gods despite that being what the masses the laws are imposed on are made to believe. And if you do not know something as simple as that which you ought to have learnt as part of your legal education, then I can't exactly pressume you'd know anything at all, especially since your fruits do not even at all match your words.

And by the way, its a bit too late for you to be crying that you are being attacked personally when almost every contribution of your's to this thread has been personal attacks. If you can't take it consider not first dishing it out.

Dtruthspeaker:
I am Very Much Joyful that I am in My Natural Habitat of Law and being in my habitat I know even more than wiki can teach. I even went back to challenge my former Lectures of Law and they All Fled before me and bowed to Greater Knowledge.

I have found The True Origins and History of Law and NO ONE CAN REASONABLY, FAIRLY AND RIGHTLY FIND ANY FAULT TO THEM,

I AM SO CONFIDENT THAT I PUT THE SUM OF N10,000. to anyone who can reasonably and fairly and Justly take me down with no chears, change if posts and all the rules of fair argument.

So attacking me personally (ad hominem) instead of the rightness or wrongness of my assertion laid before you is not A VALID REBUTTAL,

FIND ANOTHER VALID WAY IF YOU CAN!

Next person!

edi287:
Did you say the same thing when Orange Reagan had notes during his press conferences?? Your tears are simply delicious!!

Magatears lol.

Dtruthspeaker:
Budaatum,

Oh, look. You've added buda lol.

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The person who wrote what you are about to read below is a definitely going to heaven Christian. But do not take my word for it for by his fruits you can surely hell.

Dtruthspeaker:
Watch Out Pelecius, the guy you are talking to is Truly a Snake as The Original LortReed in Game of Thrones, He Is A Satanist and A Hater of God not an atheist.

He is Nairaland's Satan come to devour and swallow up the souls of foolish people who taught they were wise eg CAPSLOCKED, and many others who no longer speak on nairaland.

He fled from Religion Section were his work has been destroyed to come over here to catch foolish souls who do not know The Truth and Law of Life and Death but think they do.

You would be well advised to stay of from him for sake of yourself and your soul, if you love yourself.

He is very very knowledgeable and very intelligent,Twisty and Beautifully Winding with words and spirit (evil spirit that is, and if you do not know spirits already, you are dead prey already), as A Snake,

He would swallow you up (as one) if you do not take counsel and stay away from him,.

He is only reasonable when he can beat you, but grounded lying and cheating is always in his hand to use when and where necessary, and he accurately uses it too.

If you do not hold your life, he will eat you up as he has done others here that's what he is here in this Section for!

You already know the popular warning "Fly wey no dey hear word".