₦airaland Forum

cococandy:
God is an old white man white with grey hair and beard and deep voice .

Setaje:
What's your definition of ridicule? Did I mention a name. What is your issue?

Setaje:
Sorry I am not nosy. I don't ask irrelevant questions. Secondly I followed her because she sells stuffs. I don't have to follow people wiv d same values wiv me. Na clothes and other stuff bring us together. On her weight loss, as I wrote earlier, I am not nosy. I rather not ask questions than ask and be termed a hater.

Thank you!

sinizia:
Ma'am, you are awfully wrong in this case. Male/He has always been used to refer to God/Jesus CONSISTENTLY all through the scriptures. Now about the church called a she (bride of Christ), the pronoun "she" is usually to specify "inanimate" things. Eg;

Sailing vessels, for example, have often been referred to as
“she.” Even when the ship is named after a man, such as
the USS Ronald Reagan, “she” is accepted.

Countries are sometimes still referred to as “she” as well.
“There’s America,” you might point out to a foreign friend in
a plane. “Isn’t she beautiful?”

B.B. King’s ES-335 guitar is named Lucille after a woman at the center of an incident at a club he was playing in his earlier years. He often refers to the guitar as “she.”

Also if the gender of an individual (an animate object) referred to in a sentence is unknown, “he” would be used as the generic pronoun. E.g;

“We don’t know who started the fire,” a police officer might
say, “but he will be held responsible.”

It is understood, by both the police officer and any
listeners, that “he” could refer to either a woman or a
man.

So a "he" is for animate objects and God is a male!!

A "she" should be used for an inanimate subject - Church, it doesn't mean the males in church are females. That's lame.

Also, remember a church can be anywhere; a flat, under a tree, a shed, a warehouse, etc., can also serve as a church. So going by your analogy, if Pickabeau1 stays at home from Monday to few minutes before he enters the church on a Sunday morning, he's a male, but immediately he steps in the church, he becomes a female till the service is over and he becomes a man again? Do you see the hilarity of your argument? There's nowhere in Bible where the males in a church were given a "she" pronoun, show me the chapter.

Also, i read where someone said the Whites made a God a male in order to make the females feel inferior. This is without an iota of doubt the most dumb post I've read since this week. Séun needs to suspend that moniker and make he or she register back after a grueling IQ test to ascertain he or she is mentally ok. Cheers.

TV01:
I now see you are persisting with your coded denial of husband leadership - fully towing the feminist line by re-interpreting the meaning of lead. Leading is now "by setting an example" and "serving you" .

As noted I also set an example and serve my family, but leading is a distinct function in it's own right, not a corollary of example & service.


I get you - no one has "veto power", hence your rejection or pretend confusion at the term "authority" and claiming equal rights. In fact like I said before, as you make his "phantom leadership" dependant on how you view his example and service, you are in fact the one with authority, contrary to scripture .

1 Peter 3: 1 Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, 2 when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear. 3 Do not let your adornment be merely outward—arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel— 4 rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God. 5 For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands, 6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror.

Tell us do you obey your husband (oya tell us there is never a question of obedience, as you always agree - or better still, he is so busy serving you, there is no need ) As your point below implies;




Do you? "Devoid of feeling or emotion".


No, it's part of your same justification. By demonising leadership/authority to mean tyrannical, dictatorial and monstrous, you can effectively reject it.


To demonstrate does not mean to earn. I have no need of earning it. I know what it is, what it entails and act accordingly. As the scripture I quoted above clearly shows; short of sin, you obey regardless of your husbands perceived worth


Answered above - you are trying to muddy the waters. Whatever my wifes reaction to my actions - good or bad - it does not weigh on my authority.


As per the scripture above - not earned - accorded by virtue of marriage, which makes me the head.


Answered.


Answered.


Regardless, it's not the basis for authoratative leadership. Which you deny.



Besides, you said your wife is not inferior to you and you do not believe your marriage is completely egalitarian even though the headship/authority rarely crops up, then what is she?
There you go again, try to demonise it
No, my wife is not inferior, but she is not equal in authority - and when authority is in view or called for, I wield it.

Just as we are one with Christ and the whole church being the bride of Christ (even though I cannot call you a co-wife as it is one bride), the leadership of a husband is not same with the world view of leadership.
Please stop - we are well aware of your sophistry !


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FrancisTony:
Lol, most of these guys that argue believe in trinity.

Yahweh, Yeshua, Ruach hakodesh - different being.

Yahweh, yeshua, Ruach hakodesh - Equal and are one.

Bye Coco, Buka et al.

pickabeau1:
You just stated God is gender less...what should we call such..

A gender, transgendered, non gender...LOL

pickabeau1:
why ... u are also a christian feminist

If you say God is genderless, then we should not use He for God or She

Can we use HShe

pickabeau1:
Now u are in the discourse..

Why would God want to be referred to as a He and humans (Christian feminists) say He should be a She

pickabeau1:
bukatyne


I said it before

read this link

https://womenandthechurch.org/news/news-round-up-let-god-be-a-she-the-national-conversation-about-a-god-without-gender/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/32958213/god-is-neither-she-nor-he-say-anglican-priests

pickabeau1:
Your issue is that u are just leaping
Where was it said God is a male
I asked what pronoun should be used to refer to God?


Good u agree God is a He
So why are Christian feminists clamouring for God not to be represented by He

pickabeau1:
which one is representation.. stop prevaricating

The church is a collection of people (both male and female) and referred to as a bride..hence a she..no issue there

We are talking of God..should God be referred to as a HE or SHE or transgender?

Simple

Setaje:
You have said it all. Meanwhile I also follow a lady who updates on her weight loss and every food she eats. If u see the way she decorates the food. I was admiring her before, then I began to see the bigger picture and I feel that something is totally off. The worst part is she doesn't look different. Still as big as when she started bombarding ig and fb about her weight loss over 2 months ago.

pickabeau1:
Ok..if God is no He or She, why did Christ call him Father
And what pronoun do you use with father

pickabeau1:
Good.. so its concluded now that God is a HE

TV01:
"Rights" are not something I actually think about, or consider the way to frame marriage. But no, my wife does not have equal rights with me - due to the fact that I have veto power .Polygamy denies women equal agency as it's not just the two of them in the union. Please read my "educative posts" more closely. Read them repeatedly like you are preparing for an exam !

TV01:
Which is what I made clear to you in the first part of the post - feminism demands "equal rights" within marriage at it's core. The leaders are glaringly hostile towards it - even worse.

TV01:
Authority is what headship implies. I'll go with your answers.

TV01:
"Not knowing" does not mean I cannot probe and question or make a call based on my wife's superior knowledge or expertise. And if there is a valid consideration not satisfied, I can still veto.

TV01:
Please read the post fully. It is not necessarily about her or me, it's about us and our.

Feminisms basic mistake is that it's gynocentric. In claiming to seek equal rights in marriage, it has now weighted it against men. Effectively causing men to turn away - harming them both. Thinking holistically for the whole, benefits the individual, thinking selfishly for the individual harms the whole - damn I'm good !

TV01:
I am the head and ultimate authority (leader), but not the sole authority as in "expert". Read my post. It pretty much covers everything. A manager at work does not have to have the most knowledge before he makes certain calls - and these may override someone with more technical or expert knowledge.

TV01:
You like all my submissions !

TV01:
My helpmeet helps me. Or else what's the point? She brings all her resources to the table. No, if my wife's position is compelling, I will say "I am the head, I think we should go with your very compelling idea. Well done mama "

TV01:
Merry-making & Mojo

Asked and answered

TV01:
Nope, I listen to her intently, but veto calls are made dispassionately. I'm a man. Those who truly possess and know how to wield authority do not confuse it with force and have no need to bark to wield it.

TV01:
Whatever the mis-application by people of the scripture, it does not warrant you resorting to the same tactics in reverse to correct. In the same vein, you misconcieved notions about authoritarian or dictatorial leadership do not colour it for all of us. I serve and set an example, I also lead. Don't cover-up the imperative to "lead".

TV01:
I not only wield authority, I continually demonstate that I am worthy of it. I was not joking when I said that my wife implicitly trusts me. Even if not to make mistakes - I am not perfect - it's certainly to have our family' best interest at heart at all times.

TV01:
You have the hang-up about authority and hence associate it with monstering. I am fine, as is my wife.

TV01:
In all you have finally admitted that the husband leads - totally contrary to the feminsist position. So I have no qualms. You may have to explain yourself to FrancisTony, who believes it should be completely egalitarian !

TV01:
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FrancisTony:
Bukatyne, you're on fire.

I love Christian feminists just the way I love the most exonerated Blessed Virgin Mary.

Atheist ones?? No, they believe in nothing

pickabeau1:
Whatever you say is the answer

FrancisTony:
God is genderless.

Chauvinistic men made it seem like God is HE.

It's just the way church is referred as SHE but in actual sense, it's not a woman.

pickabeau1:
stop asking question with questions.. state your point

If God is not a He, what is God then

pickabeau1:
Christian feminists The most deluded of all

Jesus says I and my Father are one

Prepare for the Lords Prayers to become "Our Source" and all references to God the Father be removed



https://womenandthechurch.org/news/news-round-up-let-god-be-a-she-the-national-conversation-about-a-god-without-gender/



http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/32958213/god-is-neither-she-nor-he-say-anglican-priests

https://womenandthechurch.org/news/news-round-up-let-god-be-a-she-the-national-conversation-about-a-god-without-gender/

TV01:
Bukatyne, when did you become an epistleer !

TV01:
The basic Wiki definition – “equal rights” in marriage demanded by feminism is contrary to male leadership outlined in the scriptures.

And all your posts on this issue are clearly in accord with feminism. You always blanket anything that ascribes leadership in the marital home to males. Be it by making submission = love, or headship =source, or playing on mutual/reciprocal respect, you inherently deny it. That is feminism subsuming Christinaity

TV01:
But even beyond that, feminsist thought-leaders are largely against marriage and even hostile towards it; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_marriage#The_feminist_approach

TV01:
Bukatyne, no need for story, please answer the questions;

1. Is there a scriptural notion of men being the designated leader or having overall responsibility in the marital home?
2. Does a wife submit to her husbands headship?
3. Does he have authority over her or is authority/headship somehow "equally shared"?
4. Does submission = love?
5. Does head = source and have no implications for leadership or authority?
6. Even if spouses put one another first, love and respect each other, does this mean there is no question of leadership in the marital home?

TV01:
I love my wife, and quite often I give leave to her wishes/preferences/desires, I don’t expect blind obedience. I’d be rather sad/worried if she didn’t analyse my take on things and/or have positions/counter-analyses of her own. Although I get that she trusts me implicitly ! I have never raised my voice, hands or used foul language in her presence.
I make her a nutribullet smoothie most mornings and often a tea at night , I have a chore allocation distinct to hers and also carry out many that overlap – like bathing TV02. Sometimes depending on how we are both placed, I may even perform some of hers.
And my wife will confirm all of this, but the fact remains, that if there is an important issue on which we do not agree. I make the call. Everytime. Even as I work to make my wife and children happy, I do not lose sight of my authority and leadership role.

TV01:
For holidays for example, I’ll specify a few requirements and my wife will research. She returns say 3 locations which all fit the criteria, I’ll typically ask what she prefers, I’ll then probe her reasons why, outline any considerations or concerns I may have, we’ll discuss and perhaps agree. If not, I will almost certainly go with what she wants – as a holiday is simply not that important and I have outlined basal requirementsll

TV01:
For important issues, even minor ones sef, as we just like yakking , we thoroughly discuss, but if we are not in agreement and I don't find my wifes position compelling, I command and my wife heeds/submits/obeys.

TV01:
And like I've said previously, headship/leadership/authority is not in veiw with every interaction - or even very often - it's not master/slave or owner/employee. But when it is, I wield it !

TV01:
Please answer the questions, and the initial charge about your exegetical denial of male leadership in the home.

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BABE3:
I've always wondered what that meant.

moca:
Hmn.....
Where dem dey?
Lovinam,
Efemenaxy,
Ifyalways,
Kimoni,
Babe3
Smartmom,
Tearoses,
Edwife,
Babyosisi,
Cococandy,
Chillisause
And others

Oya, omugwo mood activated

Make una bring mmiri uda as una dey come o!

Celebrate and thank God with me.
BBB yesterday afternoon.

TV01:
I may or may not touch on other points raised here, but I simply couldn't let this pass, especially since it went unchallenged and has been repeated so often some people may well take it as gospel.

TV01:
Bukatyne, your submission below is an example of the tortured exegesiss one needs to engage in to claim to be a Christian and a feminist. Although you may well claim adherence to the basics of feminism i.e. esentially "equal opportunites & access", as do I, by way of what's written in the bible, another central tenet of feminism, is it's antipathy for marriage, which it views as a vehicle for oppressing women.

TV01:
The bible is clear - through both the old and new testaments - that headship, i.e overall authority in marriage, lies with the husband. A self-purported christian feminist - Feminianist - will always struggle at this point, reject one or the other, or as you have done warp one in order to contain the other. But essentially end up as neither fish nor fowl. Or as Pickabeau1 likes to frame it "oil and water don't mix". This is simply not true, there has never been any contention over male authority/headship in marriage, until feminism brought it's views to bear. And your giving primacy to feminist ideology is what begets your "stitch" with scripture

TV01:
Anyone who opines thus is mistaken, we are all equal in Christ, creationally and in our value to God - Genesis 1:27, Galations 3:28, 1st Corinthian 12:13 (amongst others). You introduced the term "superior". Just as my son - due to age - would be charged with greater responsibilty in the absence of both parents. Tasking him with greater responsibility and thus affording him the corresponding authority does not make him superior to his sister - likewise husband and wife.

TV01:
The apology should be extended to believers , this is just shoddy - in the interest of equality I have to apply the same level of rebuke I would to a man !

TV01:
Ephesians 5:21 is talking in a general fellowship context; there are at least two other texts which spell out the dynamic in a Christian marriage. The first you simply could'nt have missed as not only does it come right after the verse you quoted, it actually contextualises it .

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife,
Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
Titus 2:5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands
1 Peter 3:1 Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands
1 Peter 3:5 For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands,

First asserting that marital submission is mutual (essentially rendering it meaningless), by utilising a generalist text, ignoring numerous marital specific ones, and then making it sounds like the husbands call to love - as if the wife is nowhere called to love? - makes him a servant to his wife - as he "puts her first" - is essentially making her his head

Maybe it was a very bad idea responding to you.

I said submission is putting your husband first and love is putting your wife first. If they both put themselves first, how is the husband a slave to the wife? Why did you pick a part of my post make a point? Is the husband not also called to respect his wife in 1 Pet? Can a man genuinely love his husband without respecting her? Can a woman genuinely submit to her husband without loving him? I used genuinely for submission because a lot of people mistake eye service for submission.

Or should the wife put her husband first (because he is the head) and the man puts himself first too?

Do you put your wife first? If yes, is she your head?

@ Lucida: are men not called to love again?

TV01:
It's essentially a compound error (or a comedy of them ), as you first claim submission is mutual, you then equate submission to love and then "equalise" them as demands on both parties.

TV01:
It's a particualr pernicious error, as it effectively denies the God ordained creational differences and the nuance given to ensure we best flourish in our mutual "complimentarity".

TV01:
Understand and follow where your beliefs and thinking lead you. You are effectively denying the difference between the sexes. It's why feminism and the gay lobby are effectively twinned - both deny the inherent nature of males and females, which are asymetrical but perfectly aligned.

TV01:
Yes, you are indeed a feminsit as stated, and I will not even venture so far as to question the love in your marital home. But no, your position is not the christian one, and no matter how loving your home is, if ordered according to your exposition, it is simple not in accordance with scripture.

Fortunately for us, we are not gunning to go to TV's heaven

TV01:
Like I said earlier, feminsim is opposed to marriage, seeing it as oppressive. So whilst being married although questionable, is certainly possible for a feminist, the required dynamic of a feminist marriage is not possible for a Christian husband and wife.

TV01:
A fallacy, as from a Christian perspective at least, no one has stated that they are not; what are in view are headship and authority.

And the questions begged with regard "actions" within marriage are;

1. Does a wife submit to her husbands overall authority/headship?: [b]What overall authority are you referring to?
2. Does he have authority over her or is authority/headship somehow "equally shared"?Same as above

TV01:
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Darkrebel666:
would the men make such comments if the ladies didn't present themselves to the social media as wh0res or sex objects ? answer is no.
you are addressed the way you are dressed and packaged.
so if I see a lady with half of her b00bs exposed to the internet and millions of people, I should congratulate and respect her. of course not, I would only see her as a intimacy gadget and s£x t0y.. you can't blame me if I make a profane comment, and trust me a lot of women even relish those comments.

Darkrebel666:
you want to say you don't like the fact or feel good because about 100 men desire you and wanna hump you? don't bother answering cos everybody knows you women folks love the attention you get.

Darkrebel666:
I never said women don't go out to work
and sit idle at home
I only want to make it clear that the manly duties such as paying of rent and stuffs can't be compared to house chores..
house chores can never be on the scale as
paying of rent,
bills
school fees
foodstuffs etc

how about I do the house chores and my wife does the above enumerated?

Darkrebel666:
hehe
you are already seeing yourself as a sex object, or why else would you rush to conclude males like a female's photo because they want to gain access to her jackpot?
see the way a woman has totally debased and degraded her kind ..

and how sure are you about the house chore thing?
Males grew up doing house chores.. or is sweeping and tidying up the room not a house chore?

you wanna compare that to going out daily and working from 6 to 6.
so primitive to say that.

I asked bukatyne before and now I'm asking you.
would you rather prefer if the system operates inversely i.e women go out to work from 6 to 6 while men stay at home to do the so-called 'strenuous and difficult' house chores?

Darkrebel666:
• Yes, I said I believe in equality of the sexes, but i strongly disagree that women are being discriminated against in Nigeria. you are given equal platforms, sent to school and can secure jobs as well.

Like I said, it is mental. In the southwest, I know there is no discrimination against admission into schools and pay wage due to gender. As for employment, I do not know

I also don't think Nigerian feminists know what they really want. I think they are pretenders that just want to feel westernized, because I still don't know what they are vying for.

How does someone becomes westernized by believing men and women are equal? I will become westernized easier by developing a fake accent.

How can a free man be lamenting all day and begging for freedom?

Who are the free people begging for freedom? Remember this is a forum for discussions hence the usual back and forth; this does not happen in life. People more of act out what they believe in.

• The "likes" and social media aspect was an analogy to prove to you that women(Nigerian) are shown preferential treatment and favored and aren't discriminated against.
Why should a woman get 100000 likes on Facebook just for saying "she's thirsty online" and why should a man get 10 likes for his picture that's been up for 2 months?
. Isn't that gender discrimination against men? But are we crying. Yet we continue to like your photos cos unlike you we aren't nagging or cry babies. or you think its the Seraphim in the 7th heaven that likes the photo?

This holds no water. Nobody is mandated to like a like girl's picture neither is there a structure in place to force or even persuade the liking... Most of them are liking it because they probably want some from her. 1 am very sure 90% of the likers are men.


• Don't even include the house chore thing. its totally irrational and without a droplet of logic
How can you compare mere house chores to venturing out daily to face the asperity and harshness of the Spartan world to source for bread?. even if its not a manual job, house chores isn't close to that. Don't include it at all

Oh please, do not go there at all

You are not talking to a 3yr old that daddy works so hard to take care of you; In the Nigerian corporate space, you are not given assignments based on your gender; it is based on what you were employed for and your boss. Except in your part of Lagos, women face different traffic and different work. In my coy for example, all the support service staff are ladies (Probably due to referrals as they are mostly from one tribe) and they change the water in the dispenser. Male colleagues call them to change it as per women are weaker bla bla.

Most women who have done both will tell you they prefer office runs.

Except the man is the one splitting wood for his coy sha.

• You said the inequality and discrimination is a mental thing?... correct. That's what you should have said since.
In as much as it isn't manifested physically in Nigeria here especially, its still ingrained in the cerebrums of every male in the spiral galaxy that we are superior to these people.(women)
I accept and agree. but I'm sorry you can't change that and I don't think that mentality is changing anytime soon.

I have been saying it; even in my first post to Coco.

With time it will change... it is not as bad as it was years back.

(I'm not a believer) but even the Bible said you know who took from Adam's ribs to create 'b1tch'
The same bible said women should submit to their husbands.

Lol @ youknowwho... I don't I only know God

Taking from the ribs is a sign of oneness.. hence the bone of my bone and the flesh of my flesh stuff
Submission does not make a woman inferior to her husband

• My point is: feminists should apply the animal farm theory which is: All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others
In this case we males are more equal, no matter how equal the society may seem or you want it to be. that utopian society feminists want is never gonna happen.

You know what happened in Animal Farm?

We are biological animals and its all about survival of the fittest. Why would you think you are equal with someone you are physically stronger than, faster than, emotionally fortified than, and most times more smarter than?

Are you saying Muhammed Ali is superior to El-Rufai or Doyin Okupe?

If you really want equality then I should be able to slap a woman without being called names.

Lalai Ali should be ready and able to get into a ring with Floyd may weather or Vitali klitchko

Venus Williams must be ready to play with Rafael nadal

women and men should also play soccer together and compete. I.e Lionel Messi play with women and against women etc

What happens to a woman who slaps a man? Is slapping a woman now a good thing that we should clamour for?

In your examples, you are referring to their strength; Is El-Rufai inferior to Mayweather? (I know if they get into the ring in a fair fight, we might not be able to gather enough parts of El for burial)

That's when its gonna be equal, but why are we deceiving ourselves though.? no matter what , we(males) would still come out on top...
Feminists/women would never own a phallus or be men.

Female feminists do not want a dick or neither do they want to be men.

Cheers.

Have a great day

veave:
Apart from the one my parents have. I have not heard or seen any.

veave:
Hmmmn! So why am I beating myself up and looking for husband?

Darkrebel666:
do you sincerely and truly believe what you just said ?
You are comparing House chores to working to earn income?
do they weigh the same?

okay.. how about you women folks venture out every morning as early as 6am/7am daily just to fend for the family while the men sit all day at home doing house chores.?
that's improbable anyway, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say?

and I never said bearing 80% of the financial burden on my shoulders made the women folks inferior to me. I also believe in equality of the sexes, but in this Nigeria the cases of gender discrimination is immeasurably minute and vanishingly small. I don't know what part of Nigeria you live, but i live in Lagos and women are treated specially and even showered unmerited favours at times. .

even on social media, a guy posts his profile pic and gets 2 likes in 1 year.
a female posts " I'm thirsty" and gets 100000 likes in half a milli second.
is that not gender discrimination against men?. why aren't we complaining?.. or you think we are automated machines that don't have feelings ?

feminists are females who want to be men and want to be treated like overgrown babies.

Darkrebel666:
@bold the hilarity in that ehhh. ..

African especially Nigerian feminists are the least informed. majority of the them don't even know what it is about or the purpose and idea behind the movement.
some are just following the crowd, others probably learnt of it two weeks ago and are carrying the matter on their head like hawkers, and some just think 'feminism' is a cool word.
very few really understand the concept which is really about equality of the sexes, not seeing the menfolk as monsters or wanting to have superiority over them.

Yet the so called self-acclaimed feminists would want me to pay for the meal after a date, wouldn't pay tax, wouldn't even support in the payment of school fees for their kids.
80% of Nigerian women don't contribute a dime in payment of their children's school fees, house rent, purchase of foodstuffs.
equality of the sexes indeed.

may god continue to punish whoever brought this blooper to this country. even all these small 17 year old girls would wanna be standing up to men and ranting what they don't know
for all you pseudo and fake Nigerian feminists, first of all you do not possess a testicle, you can never be a man. you were made a pussssy for a reason
secondly I've never seen any case of gender discrimination in Nigeria. If anything, women are even more favoured..
thirdly, go get a job and quit all this frivolous gobbledygook.. hasta la vista