₦airaland Forum

lady gogo: I believe a woman is first of all an individual before being a Mrs or mama bomboy. We can be anything we want to be if we set our minds to it.

That said, women can live purposeful and fulfilled(yep!) lives outside of being a wife, mother and having a traditional career path. Mother Theresa is a perfect example.




I'm always glad when i see women in male-dominated professions like Engineering, Welding, Plumbing, IT, Accounting, Law, Medicine etc. but we still have a long way to go, because even in these professions you hardly find women in active practice. For example, in accounting and Law you hardly see a female making Partner; the same applies to medicine-most females end up as medical officers or GP's. Be that as it may, i still believe we will get there. We will get there coogar! liff us.

pickabeau1: In that case.. The Bible is not explicit on the roles of the woman in modern times

That context has always been in the framework of the family

For me .. with modern realities, there are some bounds you have to abide with

- Dont be unemployed as times have changed. Have a business or source of income

- If you are a heiress, find something worthwhile to leave your legacy as an individual

- Strive to be the best in what you are doing rather than relying on your sexuality to get what you want

pickabeau1: ok.. for purposes of this thread ,.. I will accept they are different
if i understand you dreamdestiny is divine while destinydream is more of your personal stamp on the sands of time

Hence my question.. thousands of years ago it was perfectly acceptable for a woman to be a homemaker
Now with professions and all, some women still aspire to focus their all on their home and hubby

Mitt Romney's wife is an accomplished homemaker, and hosts all his political ish


Let me requote the destiny/dream post

pickabeau1: Not sure I get what you are saying

Joseph had always dreamed of his brothers bowing to him...

He became the leader of the world then ...

David was destined to be leader and once anointed, he was able to face the lion n all...

pickabeau1: I see no diff

Joseph had a dream and went thru hell to actualise it i.e. his destiny
They are used interchangeably and God uses dreams to point one in the direction of his destiny

In the talents you refer to gifts which may or may not be destiny

David had the gift of music but he was destined to be king

some people have a gift which is their destiny granted thhough... eg Samson

Some gifts are diabolical but still help you partially to your destiny eg Jacob

Thanks for the welcome

Tgirl4real: Nice discourse.

theLORDreigns: Yes. We have them in my office too... (above 35)

Now I have to go for a meeting sef. Mcheeew

coogar: perhaps if they are in their mid-20s, they would have more suitors. who really wants "aunty" as a wife?



successful young spinsters are in high demand.....it's only when they get too old that men are skeptical. if i meet a single lady that says she's 36, i would be curious to know her history between age 21 & 36.

Nashville: This is not supposed to be a gender bashing thread so let be truthful because we are all part of the same society. One of the biggest problems with our society including the men is that we naturally reject successful single women. I have a few female friends in their mid thirties who are doing very well and achieving their dreams. But no husband, not because they are bad girls but because our men are threatened and feel these women will not be submissive.

I know some successful married women as well, but most of them married early and their success came after marriage. Truth is that our society as a whole kinda rejects successful young spinsters, so lots of women after school just want to marry before becoming "old cargo". And sometimes they just marry any guy that comes their way forgeting about how the guy can contribute to or kill their dreams.

theLORDreigns: I think more awareness should be created for women to understand what 'woman empowerment' is all about.

Throughout my school days, it was a general impression that women would always end up in the kitchen, educated or not.
It was not until when I completed my degree and started working fully before I realized how important 'woman empowerment' really is.

It is also important to have a partner that understands this 'mentality' & is willing to encourage his partner to achieve her dreams.

I'm not married yet oo but my fiance has really aided in helping me build confidence in myself, etc, etc.

Nashville: More like guys should avoid women that see themselves as a mere domestic appendage and nothing more!

coogar: when will you people get there? you have been on this journey for more than 100 years & we still have majority of the nigerian women relying solely on their partners to pay their life bills.



the only support an average nigerian woman understands is money. your advice means nothing to them.

sauer: What I don't understand is why women are often in such dire need of men and of marriage. I think if more women begin to stand alone and choose for themselves what they and only they want, and not what the society wants, just maybe they'll gain more respect among the menfolk.

Nashville: If only more women believed this. Sorry to say, some Nigerian women behave like African Americans, always claiming to be victims without doing anything to help themselves. If an AA becomes a criminal, he will say it is what the society expects him to be and that he is just a victim of the society.

If a Nigeria woman becomes a lazy, good for nothing wife that adds no value to herself or husband, she will say she is a victim of the society. Afterall she is a woman, so she is not expected to achieve anything!

coogar: women should be encouraged & they should inspire themselves too that sky is the limit. i scoff when i go to any engineering classes & i see 90% of the class are make students. however, when you go to other less mentally-tasking courses(drama, theatre arts, hairdressing courses, etc) women make up the majority.

on top of it all, these are the same women that would scream discrimination in wages forgetting they opted for the easier route right from the foundation. women should now know there's no more excuse not to achieve their dreams.

pickabeau1: ^^^ADULtery is sleeping with some one you are not married to (by a married person)

Polygamy is not adultery

DailyNews: @Burger01, find time and read my long response, u will understand me better.

@Bukatyne, it is you that's sounding like a non-Christian this time

Imagine you saying that it takes discipline to be faithful and not necessarily God's grace, I honestly don't agree with you.

You can speak on behalf of women, but haven done some personal research on this, I can authoritatively tell u as a man that no man can be faithful to one woman by discipline.

Ask so many men, many men have tried being faithful or living chaste by their own discipline and moral standard and failed at the end. It takes the special grace of God through constant commitment to God for a man to flee from adultery and fornication too. Take it or leave it, time will tell

pickabeau1: Destiny.. Destiny... Destiny

All the things you are talking about are professions in the modern context
I know Pro 31... most of the verses there centre on prudence, demeanour and morals
What was Abram's destiny - A Nation

Sarai's was to be his wife n this defined as the mother of nations

Rahab was a prostitute though she was reformed and married Boaz's father and thus the mother of David

Destiny... not all of us can be world beaters... but we can be the best at what we lay our hands on

It may be home wise or external

For every Abram in the bible, millions stayed in ur and died
For every Noah, millions died in the flood

pickabeau1: Good to know you are much better...


On dreams, as strong as a dream is
If it is not nurtured.. no matter what it can die

Nashville: Not bad my sister. Just got back from a two week trip to Las Gidi. Good to know u much better.

pickabeau1: Ok.. if u say u do not bite

On the issue of destiny what if as a woman it is my destiny to be a mother and a helper to my husband
If not for modernisation and economic difficulties of a single income household, women will be in the home handling domestic duties




Easter has its roots in the worship of the goddess Ishtar... the names are similar sef

Nashville: Women and men are different but there is no reason why any women cannot achieve their dreams or destiny. A time comes in a woman's life when she has to start a family (say a 7 year period) and this is usually one of the toughest times in a woman's life, more so because by nature she is more active in raising the children than the man. Having said that it does not mean marriage or raising children should stop any woman from achieving their dreams or using their talents.

The first thing for any woman, is to know who they are and what they want. Lots of woman and even men dont even know this. All they know is that they want to be rich and live a very comfortable or flambouyant life without any real knowledge of how to achieve it. And that is why lots of women marry men that can help them achieve this life of luxury.

I believe a woman can achieve anything a man can achieve. There are many female presidents/prime ministers all over the world. Even Nigeria' prime minister is a woman NOI. So several examples abound on how women can be extremely successful in the careers/professions. Infact I dare say women do not even need men to be successful. I believe we are all responsible for what we become. I have an aunt who was kinda in lack because she was lazy. But all the time she blamed her husband for her predicament. Unfortunately, I do not believe women have to give up their dreams to have a fulfilled life. The truth is that if you really have a dream, it is very difficult to kill.

pickabeau1: Let me put up some info
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Ishtar is the East Semitic Akkadian, Assyrian and Babylonian goddess of fertility, love, war, and sex. She is the counterpart to the Sumerian Inanna, and is the cognate for the Northwest Semitic Aramean goddess Astarte.

Characteristics
Ishtar was the goddess of love, war, fertility, and sexuality.

In the Babylonian pantheon, she "was the divine personification of the planet Venus".[2]

Ishtar had many lovers; however, as Guirand notes,


"Woe to him whom Ishtar had honoured! The fickle goddess treated her passing lovers cruelly, and the unhappy wretches usually paid dearly for the favours heaped on them. Animals, enslaved by love, lost their native vigour: they fell into traps laid by men or were domesticated by them. 'Thou has loved the lion, mighty in strength', says the hero Gilgamesh to Ishtar, 'and thou hast dug for him seven and seven pits! Thou hast loved the steed, proud in battle, and destined him for the halter, the goad and the whip.'

Even for the gods Ishtar's love was fatal. In her youth the goddess had loved Tammuz, god of the harvest, and—if one is to believe Gilgamesh —this love caused the death of Tammuz.[2]

Her cult may have involved sacred prostitution. Guirand referred to her holy city Uruk as the "town of the sacred courtesans" and to her as the "courtesan of the gods".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishtar


https://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/123814081_ebaaa68103.jpg

In the Canaanite cultures she was refered to as Astarte
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astarte

This goddess is responsible for Easter which we celebrate today

pickabeau1: Can I make some points or counterpoints on this destiny ish

DailyNews: Funny, but find time and read my last response to Lorreta-u. Take care

pickabeau1: I am sorry about your state now.. have u been to the hospital

What is a first?

please focus on your health..

Nashville: Buka why dont you start. Afterall you are a woman!

pickabeau1: I like the topic idea but it will be good if you moderated it and provided a direction
I hope you will not abuse my comments this time

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Women: They are a divinely created sub species and have provided both the best and worst times for people
Destined to be a helpmeet for a man's destiny, they have provided inspiration for some to reach their zenith and for others drove them to madness and ruin

When you have one behind you truthfully as a friend and partner, there is nothing you cant do

They rock the cradle and conversely influence habits which last for generations and thus move nations

Over the ages, women have been revered as symbols of fertility (Istarte) , beauty and desire and feared due to their manipulative tendencies thus men have always tried to keep them subjugated.

I will say more as the thread kicks off...

pickabeau1: following...