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Gombs: Gbamest

So Gbamest is all you have to say? So you won't even admit your confusion?

Hmm.....My friend runs away......yet again

Anyway, i hope you now know the difference between CIRCUMCISION and COVENANT?

Alwaystrue: Amen. Thanks lol.

God was simply saying they departed from His ordinances given long ago and have refused to keep them so they should return back to Him BUT they are still asking him how?
The answer was before the question.

It was more a question of 'and you are still asking me, even after I told you you have departed from my ordinances?'.

Mal. 3:8 was another statement.
But since you feel its a lie. It is OK. It does not change anything anyway. You will not accept even the ones written bodly for you to see. So no biggie.

You're still glossing over the truth. It's not about feeling it's a lie. It's about being 100% sure Its a lie to say Mal 3:8 has nothing to do with Mal 3:7. That is standing truth on it's head.

It's so clear i wonder how you insist on missing it

Gombs: ^^
What is this one saying sef?

Circumcision was the covenant na....not so?

Go and read Gen 17 with glasses thick like coca cola bottle.


10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised.


You are sore confused my friend

You don't have to reverse simply because you want to justify an associate. It portrays you as a double minded man very unstable in all his ways

Circumcision was Abraham's part of the Covenant. Christ coming, death and resurrection has absolved me of all requirements to access the covenant. All i need do is believe the gospel and i am automatically a bonafide member of God's family. The holy spirit then circumcises my heart.

CIRCUMCISION OF THE FLESH IS DONE AWAY WITH, IRRELEVANT, NAILED TO THE CROSS

Do you want to hear the salvation message afresh?

fredx4: Only God know all things, buh why would someone like kathryn khulman die of sickness after all the people God had used her to heal

That is why we Christians must always remember that God is always God and can decide things that go against what we think atimes. The gospel being preached in a lot of churches today place God at the mercy of man's faith. They make it look like God's will is subject to our desires and as long as we want something, God is obligated to perform.

That is glorification of man and clear self idolatory and its a cardinal belief of the New Age or New Thought movement which most pastors of today preach though plenty of them and their members don't realize it yet.

Faith is described as a force with which you attract whatever you want(God's will is irrelevant) which makes it no different than guided visualisation

ckkris: Let them speak for themselves

My bro, don't confuse the issue.

The man told the woman that if she tithed properly, her husband will not be sick.

So how will he explain his friends and colleagues who collect tithes but succumbed to their health problems?

Alwaystrue: @Candour,
There is nothing like a lie or twist there. If you cool down and study, you will see what I said was no lie. I am not surprised at the impatience shown anyway, no be today.
Happy Birthday in advance on your birthday

It was a lie sister. I can conceed it was a mistake if you say so.

It's you that needs to cool down and digest that verse. Mal 3:7 ended with a question mark, so where was the answer you claimed was embedded in that same verse 7?

I too am not surprised at your impatience in addressing the issue.

Thanks a lot for the birthday wishes. God bless you plenty

@Gombs,
This is what happens when you read the bible too fast. Seems it gives them a kick.

I hope this admonition is for Gombs who was too quick that he mistook CIRCUMCISION for COVENANT in the gist between Jo and i?

If it is, then you're in order. If its not, i would boldly accuse you of bias and i wont be wrong. See the trail of the discussion so you can be brought up to speed.

Meanwhile, Gombs and i have identified the misunderstanding, corrected it and have moved on.

And to think that his very good friend by name Paul Crouch of TBN passed away recently @79 after some years of battling a heart condition and living with a pacemaker inserted in his heart.

Even Oral Roberts had his own heart issues which he battled till he died. He too had a pace maker inserted to help his weak heart.

Kathryn Khulman also died after surgery to correct a heart condition.

Was it that they too didn't tithe properly? or the health devourer got the wrong addresses?

They know they're lying to poor folks but their consciences are so dead that he'll prefer to get hold of all a pensioner has than the woman pay her expenses very much like Pharisees who devour widow's houses

heartless they are , really

Gombs: Yeah...

Visit this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/1540915/offer-7-celebration-pastor-chris

HBD to your father-in-Law in advance!

Cnt use your bday against you na... ... Am not Kunle who fights pple on their Bday

Thanks for the wishes. God bless

Meanwhile, leave Kun alone o...

Gombs: ^^
Oya get bck to your tithe gist



I only wanted to knw whether God annulled the covenant he had with papa AB ...and you rightly answered thus




By the way, would you join me celebrate pastor Chris on his birthday this saturday? 7/12/13

Thank God say i didn't fail the test o......Gombs was salivating to pounce.

So your G.O shares birthday with my Father in law? even my own birthday is around that period but i no go tell you the exact day....before you use it against me in our discussions

Where is it happening? are you sure i'm free to come

Gombs: ^^
Oya get bck to your tithe gist



I only wanted to knw whether God annulled the covenant he had with papa AB

So you thought me and Jo were talking of Covenant even after you by yourself put CIRCUMCISION in large bold font

I know you just wanted to have a victory to celebrate in our discussions right? Keep trying bro

Thank God you're back from the comedy island anyway

Oya...bye bye

Gombs: Joagbaje: Blood sacrifice ended with christ.

Candour: Same with Tithes, circumcision and other ordinances

Gombs: oga, be smart and answer whether God revoked the covenant He entered with Abraham in Gen 17.
did God revoke the covenant
(a) Yes
(b) No

Candour: No. I can't see where he did

Gombs: Why then did you say the Covenant ended with Christ? Did God annul it?


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*epistles *grammar *story


Keys:
Blue: error/blunder
Green: Admittance
Red: why would you then lie?
Brown: let me use another story and grammar hide my shame abeg



Pls, just get back to your tithe discussion. I don't wanna get involved in the tithe gist

Blood sacrifice for atonement of sins ended with Christ sacrifice on the cross.

Circumcision of the foreskin to be accepted into the fold and not be cut off from God's people(Gen 17:14) abolished on the cross.

The covenant we have now has NO USE FOR CIRCUMCISION. This is very basic to Christianity and its a shame you don't know

Gombs: Saved o
Not saved o

All I wanted to know is whether God annulled the circumcision covenant He has with Abraham.

Now, I'd let you get back to your tithe discussion.

why are you modifying your posts? are you not sure of what to write?

i replied the earlier draft then you come modifying again. Hope there is no ulterior motive o?

anyway here's a reply to the new draft sha

P/S: ok i've seen it's another post. apologies

Gombs: That's another topic...all I wantd you to do is openly admit you erred, and you humbly did.


Now, have yourself a great afternoon

You run away again as usual.

Where is the error and where is the admittance by me? are you just so desperately wanting to have a 'victory' to celebrate in these discussions?

You can run away for now, but i'll always remember and others who read your post will remember too that for the sake of tithes, you elevated circumcision above the finished work on the cross of Calvary.

Circumcision ordinance given to Israel plus all other ordinances have been nailed to the cross for ever says Colossians 2:14. Therefore i can boldly come into the presence of the Lord almighty today whether i'm circumcised or not.

I hope you too can?

Gombs: why then did you say circumcision ended with Christ as Jo said blood sacrifices ended with Christ?

if u are really holy ghost filled, you will not make these blunders...He will communicate to you truths, i mean, dont you read out your posts before you hit submit button? in your eager desire to nullify the validity of tithing, u make blunders... these blunders terminates your soundness in the knowledge of the bible. you, Goshen, Zikky, Christembassey, Drummerboy and some other anti tithers i cant completely mention have shot their feet severally, and i am archiving them... Kunle, just havent yet

you guys keep fulfilling this verse

Romans 1:22 AMP
22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves].

Let me quote your verse for you because it applies fully to you.

Romans 1:22 AMP
22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves].

You just blundered big time. are you saved by the circumcision ritual in the covenant with Abraham or are you saved by Christ Blood?

All in a bid to justify tithe, you elevate circumcision above the cross and Blood of Christ? how desperate and cheap can you get?

Gombs: why then did you say circumcision is done away with as Jo said blood sacrifices were because of Christ's coming?

Are you saved by the covenant with Abraham or by the cross of Jesus Christ?

Galatians 5:6 KJV
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Gombs: oga, be smart and answer whether God revoked the covenant He entered with Abraham in Gen 17.

did God revoke the covenant
(a) Yes
(b) No

No. I can't see where he did

Hope you'll answer mine now too?

Gombs: Candour o! circumcision was a covenat God made with Abraham

The Covenant of Circumcision

Gen 17 NIV

9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. [b][size=16pt]10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. [/size][/b]12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring.


how on earth did you conclude that circumcision ended with Christ? Are you saying God revoked that covenant He had with Abraham?... Candour!....u guys love shooting your feet.

oya, be nice and educate me on how Christ's coming ended the covenant God had with Abraham?

So you mean a physically uncircumcised man has fallen short of the requirements of God?

So Abraham's blessings are not for a man not physically circumcised?

Alwaystrue: @Bidam,
Careful not to get drawn into what has been discussed on prior threads. The ordinance in Mal. 3:7 was NOT what was describing Mal. 3:8.
Malachi 3:7 question was asked and answered in Mal. 3:7; Mal 3:8 was a seperate statement.
The arguements are just being recycled as always.

You just told a lie.

Malachi 3:7 KJV
Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them . Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

I hope you saw the question mark at the end of that reference? Its a discussion that carried on till verse 12.

Tithe is an ordinance and will always remain so.

If you remember, you even tried to twist the meaning of ordinance on a thread not too long ago. Thank God Bidam just gave us the dictionary meaning of the word

Bidam: or·di·nance
ˈôrdn-əns/
noun
plural noun: ordinances
an authoritative order; a decree.
synonyms: edict, decree, law, injunction, fiat, command, order, rule, ruling, dictum, dictate, directive, mandate.

Paul gave strong decrees or order to the Corinthians on morals and ethics,marriages,food offered to idols,the lords supper,spiritual gifts..etc

Are you saying those ordinances are abolished on the cross?

Even the circumcision you quoted,is that to say,pple should not circumcised their male child anymore? Paul actually used circumcision as a symbolic language to describe the Jews, nothing more, because we know later he talked about inward circumcision( inward Jew)

As for tithe can you show us a scripture in the NT where it was abolished?

Good you brought out the definition of ordinances for all to see.

God called tithes an ordinance in Mal 3:7, so if Paul said Ordinances have been blotted out, that means including tithing. If you don't agree, kindly tell us which ordinances Paul said where abolished on the cross and which were not as per Colosians 2:14?

Then kindly tell us the strong decrees and ordinances Paul gave to the Corinthians. Pls try and include bible references

Thanks

Joagbaje: Blood sacrifice ended with christ.

Same with Tithes, circumcision and other ordinances

Colossians 2:14 KJV
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Joagbaje: The law is not the foundation . But the law contains some vital kingdom principles . Paul quoted the law several times to Christians who are new creation. Even gentile Christians who never had a law for that matter .

The law may only be used as illustration but not as foundation. Because principles exist before the law.

Malachi 3:7-8 KJV
Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them . Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? [8] Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

God called it ordinance in the above and I believe you know ordinance means laws. It wasn't an illustration or foundation, it was a specific law.

If God called it a law, I think It'll be better and safer for you and I to take it as such.

Tithe is not FREEWILL, its a law.

Joagbaje: Everything is free will . God is not forcing us to do anything . Prayer is free will , worship is free will. Evangelism , fasting .
So does tithing and offering .Doing any of these things mean you're under the law? Same goes for tithing . God will not punish you for not praying neither will he punish you for not tithing . Acting on Gods principles carry benefits .You only miss out from the benefit they carry if you don't do them .

When somebody quotes Mal 3:8-11, what is he talking about there? freewill or law?

Joagbaje: Free will offering

Good you mentioned freewill offering.

It's freewill therefore i can choose to do or not to do and i also determine proportion if i choose to do. There was no punishment for not doing it under the old covenant so imagine the freedom under the new.

You can't put Tithes and freewill offering in the same boat because if you do, Tithing becomes freewill with no consequence for not doing it or freewill offering becomes a command, ordinance or a law.

See breakthrough by receiving insult!!!!!

If a state governor can give 2m to settle insult, a beg na to carry buns go hawk for aso rock road be that o!!!!

On a serious note sha, All is well that ends well. No matter what political gains the gladiators gain by this, I'm just thrilled a destitute woman with little hope for good in life has had her fortune changed overnight.

Favours come in strange packages indeed. Who could have thought up a script like this?

Udomarcon: Old generation people. We are already in a new generation when the revival wil begin.You said that it is not in the bible.Why dont you listen to what the the spirit is saying to the church now. Now joel 2.All joel chapter fortell this revival and it says in verse 3, nothing excape the revivalists.In the days of the early apostles they even run away from villages when chased away but not now. James 5:7, if we had had the early rain, we must wait patiently for the latter rain which is the second revival. Jesus said that before the return of the sun of man the gospel must be preach to every tribe and tonque.Rev 14:14. This revival which is going to be bring by endtime army will shake and remove every so called religion in the world even muslim. Every christain church that is not found on holyspirit will be removed. If you care much about rapture and hellfire go and read Mary Baxter revelation of hell. Jesus said all this in her book. Read chapter 16, 17, about the people God is training to do exploit. Google Mary Baxter revelation of hell .

Hmmm.......

Dominion theology and Joel's Army Doctrine taking center stage.

When did this revival start? @the bolded, So Christianity will become the world religion under one leader right? and all this will happen before Christ comes abi?

I have a book by Oyedepo sitting on my shelf at home titled 'Walking in Dominion'. After years of believing it hook, line and sinker, Now i read just the introduction and shake my head at the gross deception and misinterpretation contained their-in.

DLBC Christian women mirror of November 2013 is on my table here even as i type and it's cover page is titled 'at the Close of the age'. I see it as a more accurate description of the times we are in.

This endtime Christian dominion message only benefits the proclaimers. Its a pack of lies. Wish Christians will read the handwriting on the wall and not be deceived.

OLAADEGBU: Who is the robber here?

The priests and the Levites operating the temple in Jerusalem.....Nothing to do with a blood bought child of God almighty.

OLAADEGBU: Get an afterlife!

and you do have a life? apart from tithe scams and hell videos?

You need your advise more than anybody i know

OLAADEGBU: Don't be a quidnunc. You can make better use of your time.

Is it English lesson time? Keep running to the dictionary for succor.

Don't bother about my time bro.....It cost me nothing....absolutely nothing.

I'll always have time to puncture your lies whenever you show up with them.

OLAADEGBU: Did you not post the following blasphemy? Calling the name of the Lord in vain?

so what is your verdict thou 'righteous judge'? Guilty i guess

Mosaic law says we should stone him to death, but what sayest thou 'infallible, pious and righteous judge'?

I laugh in tithes

We'll soon help you carve the law on tables of stone so you can carry it about like the burden its become to you



Pls Mark, dont let him get to you. when he has nothing to say, he starts looking for spelling mistakes, semantic errors etc or he starts twisting your words. I trust you know him enough by now to not be so bothered by him. Just keep your eyes on the ball and watch him run away

Gombs:
Rockerfeller is dead and his grandson is almost 70!...

Google coalgate

Google Heinz

And you are here calling Buffet, Obj!


Take time to google Ford, Carl Benz, JP Morgan Chase you listed above

Those men had something in common in their Churches!

And what did they have in common? Tithes? Rockefeller's Children remain rich but not near where Buffet operates today(He too came from a very rich father) and your devourers have still not caught up with him yet.

Even the Rockefeller you keep shouting about was more known for his giving to charitable causes than to the church. He gave because he was blessed, not because he wanted to be blessed. Even the churches he gave to spent the money on education etc that directly benefited the needy. This can't be said for your greedy church empires of today

BTW, we've derailed enough. I'm staying on topic hence forth

oh...you want to stay on topic? Of course you can't sustain the charade of non existent success associated with tithing today.

Sure you can't continue because it's a no brainer. There is absolutely nothing beneficial about your tithing of today as its only those who preside over the collections that smile to the banks.

As for Cecelia ibru...go google her church!

did she leave banking to start a church?? What of Akingbola? did he open a church as well?

Not that i'll be overtly surprised sha.

@haibe

My bro, you're too much. The way you handled the discussion was just superb. Some years ago, i was exactly like that brother thinking i was serving God when it was all self righteousness.

I know God is liberating his children from the bondage of blind religion and traditions of men.

God bless you

Gombs: Open a thread for that

It's a simple question. if you can't answer, no problem

Good!

So far they are Word based....you shd believe them...don't you have pastors?

Don't they teach you of how their faith prevailed?

We are not talking about the word of God spoken by true pastors now. We are talking about your tangible visible testimonies. Or are they simply words you're speaking in faith hoping they'll materialize soon?

are you saying all tithers must own mega companies? Or All tithers must be celebs?

I didn't bring up the econet guy, GEJ and PEJ into the equation. You brought them up and i wonder why you're not numbered among them?

I said you're no different from any non tither doing a honest work and earning enough to pay his bills. This makes your claims of stupendous testimonies a lie. If you feel you have anything that sets you apart like your tithing heroes, you should let us know or stop making spurious claims.

Why worry?.... Why e wan make you faint?

That means you don't have any of those kinds of testimonies? I always knew you were blowing plenty hot air.

Shame on u

You should bow your head in shame for lying you're more successful than you really are. You're no different from the average jones on the street. Go ahead with your tithing but quit the lies of having testimonies that exist only on paper.

Seun is good at what he does which makes it possible for you and i to chat whenever we choose to. I see no shame in applauding him.

So this site is supposed to be atheists alone?

Why do they have a religion section? Tell seun to scrap it and see NL fall.

Again I ask, are you saying all tithers should have a social networkin site?

... see confusion o

The guy needs the money so he won't scrap it. You too needs the opportunity to post here so you should humbly utilise the opportunity he's given you and stop making mouth about status you don't have. If you and i leave NL today, the guy won't notice

He died to give me stupendous wealth o... You sure don't know Jesus

Really?? and i ask again, where is the evidence of this stupendous wealth? is it around now or you're speaking by faith? meanwhile see what you said on this same post

Gombs: are you saying all tithers must own mega companies? Or All tithers must be celebs?

If Jesus died to give you stupendous wealth, then you must own mega companies and be a well known celeb which is why you even posted about econet, PEJ and GEJ. So where do you fall?

Oh! Really?...but you just said how non tithers blosom na

So its due to 'anti tithing principle'? Who ever told you that?

Proverbs 13:22
Amplified Bible (AMP)
22 A good man leaves an inheritance [of moral stability
and goodness] to his children’s children, and the wealth of the sinner [finds its way eventually] into the hands of the righteous, for whom it was laid up.


It is mainly from
this one single verse that the “wealth of the wicked” is
conjured up for divine distribution to Christians living
today.

Tell Gates, Zukerberg, Seun etc it's a matter of time!


Go study about men like Coalgate, heinz, Rockefeller, the above is still working for them...their companies are over a hundred years old and the companies are still rolling.

Gates and Zukerberg and Seun won't last 50yrs....take it from me.

oh i see.... So you're only waiting around so that possibly you might inherit Seun abi?

Gates is already 58 years old and Buffet is 85. Even OBJ outlived Paul Crouch and is still making waves at over 80 or is he an example of a tither too?

Any business run well will last long my friend. Ford, Benz, JPMorgan Chase,TATA, Disney, Eni, Shell, Chevron etc have been existing for ages and they are still here because they're well run not because of Tithes.

Oceanic and Intercontinental were founded by Notable tithers who not only lost their investments but were convicted for stealing. What do you have to say about that?