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Image123: Trained and conditioned to detest with passion, what is this? You want to make trouble when trhere is none? What do you intend to achieve by this? sofri sofri oh. You're willing to knock two or more believers heads together for what?

You didn't see what he wrote in his post I quoted right?

Me knock their heads together? Not at all. Their heads have been knocked together a long time ago. Its just their penchant for twisting scriptures to sustain a scam will not let them be honest enough to admit it

Gombs: Am not saying anything on this topic untill Goshen furnish us with his evidence that I and Jo are same

Finally, 'a dirty woman sees her widowhood as an excuse to wallow in poor hygeine'

Its a proverb in my dialect o which fits this statement by Gombs.

Come back here 'cos you going no where

Joagbaje: Proverbs 6:17-19
A proud look, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,
feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies,
and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Actually the verse below is an apt description of you. Are you in doubt? Who is preaching monetary tithes when the Bible expressly defines God's tithe as farm produce?

That is the picture of a thief

The bible has proven over and over that the rebellious who claim to be fighting for fairness are the criminals. Fleshly people without the spirit. Just like judas.

John 12:6
. . .This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief . .

Gombs: Help me tell Goshen shame on him

Hope you'll accept to tell Joagbaje shame on him too for telling lies about tithes?

Gombs: Where did you see money in that scripture? Must you guys lie in all tins?

Oh...in case you've forgotten, the thread is about tithe and offerings abi? That's what the reference is for.

Are you pretending not to know?

Gombs: Another scripture fulfilled

Glooooory

Halleluyah

Joagbaje: Hmmm an attention seeker . . .

Proverbs 26:17
He who, passing by, stops to meddle with strife that is none of his business is like one who takes a dog by the ears.

Hmmm.......tithe collector trying to twist the word of God for monetary gain.

Joagbaje: Wón fé je mí raw nii. . Flesh will always persecute spirit,

Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Ko si enikeni to fe je raw...Ki spirit yi na fi etan si le. Ko dara rara

Gombs: See how you all wanna feast on Jo...when I was here you all crawled back to your holes. Without answering my question you all wanna vent your heavy defeat and embarrassing day on him.


Em its only Christembassey I respond to because he is yet to have a major blunder unlike Candour, Zikky, Goshen and theOctopus who refused answering my questions. One said Melchizedek was born of a woman, the other can't answer my famous 9 questions, etc


Now, Christembassey you have one last chance to ask a sensible question. If you can't I'm done with you all, while I wait for Kunle

You'll make a good comedian. Your flip flop and inconsistencies on this thread is legendary. Whenever you have the strength again, come back with another lie or pack of lies, you'll be shown up again.

Joagbaje: . . . . And we give offerings also and not because God commanded the jews to give offerings , its still because its a kingdom principle. I wonder why critics have no problem with offerings and attacks tithes only. Malachi 3 talks about the two. They are together.

Isn't it funny how Gombs disappears and Joagbaje enters the fray.....hmmmm......is it a relay race? Or there is a law that says they musnt be on the same thread at the same time? Hmmmm

I'm just thinking aloud o

Edit: thankGod I can see Boh together now.

Goshen360: @ Candour, shey you dey see me see wahala so? People wan teach bible, them no efen understand simple English.

@ Gombs,
Where art thou? Does a MAN fall from heaven?

dont worry my bro. Gombs is strictly and fully into spamming mode now. He's like the proverbial bull in a china shop....only this time, this particular bull is blindfolded and dazed so just imagine the destruction it will leave in its wake.

Maybe he needs Debosky's english skills

No wahala sha. i get plenty time to spend on him.

Goshen360: As per #9, do you need debosky to teach you English? Seems you becoming a spam to tithe thread now

#8, same AMP version talked about BIRTH RECORD of Melchi, not found. You can't follow context but distorting v8. Go back to the other thread, I'm waiting for you there. You need prove that the person of Melchi is somewhere still living.

Of course Gombs is on a spamming spree and its very hilarious. Its the attribute of a desperado.

I've told him to go right on. His will always be debunked whenever he shows up with his lies

OLAADEGBU: See who is talking. You were just one of the mixed multitudes that fed fat on the free food served by the tithes of DL in their annual retreats. It is unfortunate that you didn't feed on the heavenly food that came along with it.


You are spot on there. They have all swallowed kelly's lies because they have rejected the truth. See how wordtalk exposed his messenger here on NL about two years ago.

https://www.nairaland.com/786118/does-god-require-tithes

Thank God for the retreat food. Infact i'll be there again this year God willing

Its obvious the only thing you've learnt all your years in DLBC is tithe. Which explains your obsession with tithe and the hell videos until Kumuyi called you to order Thankfully and mercifully, otherwise, we might be talking about a psychological case now.

Olaa, go study the bible for yourself and come discuss like a man. Stop hiding behind the thread of another of over 2 years old. you've used Sproul or whatever, it didn't work. you've twisted the Didache, you've also been found out. Go study your bible more perhaps you'll learn and contribute meaningfully. I've told you before that you're very zealous but not according to knowledge. The day Kumuyi makes an about turn on tithes is when we'll see you shift because you do not think independently.

Be like the Berean Christians and search things out. Only then can you really benefit from the word of God

OLAADEGBU: It was Voltaire, a skeptic that said:

"When it comes to money, everyone is of the same religion."

I think this explains the madness at which these anti tithers are uniting together to fight a common foe, Tithes. It takes the grace of God to do the will of God.

Suddenly you find use for a skeptic because you must chop tithe?

Is that the same way you join forces with Joagbaje, a man whose Church and practices you have been trained and conditioned to detest with passion simply because of tithe? Name one thing you and him agree on apart from tithe? Name one similarity between DLBC and CEC apart from tithe?

May greed and covetousness not injure you.

Gombs: Show me where it said in malachi 3v8-10 where God said his instructions there are for the livetical priesthood or the Law of Moses.

Thread carefully o! Candour, Zikky, Christembassey, theoctopus, and the biggest of them all Goshen has been put to flight......................remain u and Kunle to come fall una hand hy una self.....emmm, Goshen by Kunle I mean PASTOR KUN

And I am not Joagbaje. It is like he gives u cramps?

Like I said, keep spamming the thread. The purpose of my continued participation on this thread is not you but the innocent, naive and gullible that are seeing the truth about tithe for the first time and getting wiser thereby.

Keep lying while we keep calling out your lies.You're actually a partner in progress whether you like it, know it or not

Gombs: www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/19

Compare that with this




Doesn't that look like stuff from a confused fellow?


At first he said "they (Levitical priests) must have said thank you" Dear Lord!
And that he won't know if I can call that a blessing



Then later he said "You can see an exact form of blessing pronounced on the tither here"

People of God From this scripture Deut 14 from 22 was speaking of Tithing principle in the Levitical order...it told them how they should go about it and it ended thus

"that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work
of thine hand which thou doest"

If you notice it had a semi colon...meaning do all that from v22 to 29 then the above will be urs. That's under the levitical order. How does dis mean that the Levitical order blessed the tither? Did Aaron bless any tither? Why not? Because He can't...bible said Melchizedek could because he was greater than Abraham who was in turn greater than Levi who bore the Levitical order.

If then the Levitical order can't bless, Who then was Mal 3v8 refering to? The order that can bles or the one that couldn't?

No mine dear. It shows me as someone honest enough to admit I do not know if Levites pronounce blessing or not on tithers. The bible didn't record it so I refused to speculate, guess or lie like you've been doing since the thread started.

Show where i said the Levite blessed the tither.

That God pronounced a blessing on them is obvious from Deut 14:29. Or you didn't see the blessing there?

You just proved your desperation again by trying to twist what I wrote there in black and white. Meanwhile take a cue from me: admit when u really DO NOT know

Kenny4lyfe: @Gombs do you have the book Don't Stop Here by Pastor Chris Oyakhilome? Chapter 2 deals with Tithe and other giving. It'll help! I'll have my own review ready soon!

Hmm.......are you passing chips to your comrade? The Oga has updated the manual and its ready for dissemination. Oya o, go and upgrade and come back.

Ensure you read it well o because you have more knowledgeable Christians on NL than before and they are ready and able to blow holes in the baloon of tithe lies being peddled around

Gombs: ....*Looks at thread...some folks can't answer simple 9 questions without lying esp with plain scriptures.


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See Christembassey...glad to see him

You rewrote this particular post in its entirety. At least have the decency to indicate

Bidam: If you were not so fixated,blind and obstinate you would have noticed that it was in response to the filth and dirt you dug from ancient scripts and kelly D.D that Olaa had to bring this tithe thread to the fore..Pls refer to Olaa's thread for clarification.Do you in your wildest imagination think i have time digging up threads? SMH! I am not that fixated as you are.

Really?? I didn't know you and Olaa were robotic machines programmed only to react when confronted by truth.

So you admit it was a desperate measure by desperate people to save a dying cause? He had to dig up an old thread for support? You're obviously more serious minded than Olaa hence you didn't dig it up abi? Pls let him know how you feel about people who dig up the past o.

No i don't think you are.Living faith you left was testing ground to know that you weren't so happy with you life

You forget you also left living faith because you were not happy with the focus on money in your own words? Or you forget again that you wrote that in a post on this forum?

If its any consolation to you, then know that I've attended more churches and denominations than I can remember. This makes me able to talk authoritatively on issues like this because I have first hand experience.

Now go ahead and use that new info to slander me

I'm loving this

Keep spamming your pastor's thread. It won't change the truth but it will show you up for what you are: a desperate man trying to protect lies he's been fed with or now feeding with.

All your queries already answered. If you have anything different, bring it on brother.

Gombs: If it was Mosaic law, show me where Mosaic law blessed tithers

God pronounced blessing on the tither in Deut 14:29. Buy a bible and read it up.

If God gave the law of tithing, Abraham tithed shey? then why don't you tithe? Or God changed his mind about the law which Abraham obeyed?

The problem is whom to tithe to. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek a high priest. I'm now in Christ the reigning high priest and a member of his immediate family so who qualifies to collect tithes from me a priest of God? Or you want to deny your rights as a priest?

How does this explain the Aaronic Priesthood blessing a tither?
See your desperation?

Aaron had no bigger blessing to give a tither when the Almighty already did. Is that too difficult to understand?

Chai....did Melchizedek or God bless Abraham? If Melchizedek did, that means that order Blesses.

The same order Christ operates. I'm a priest to my God with Christ as my high priest. If you are not, bring me your tithes so I can chop it and bless you

Now show me where the order of Aaron (levitical priesthood) blessed the tithers?

God already blessed the tither. You prefer Aaron's blessing or God's?

I am with the Melchizedek order, where papa Abbie payed tithes to. I am comparing the two order which one was related to mal 3v8...and we can see that the levitical order didn't bless the tither, but the Melchizedek's blessed and still blesses

Gombs, you just LIED big time. If you like get a bible printed on planet Mars, God spoke through prophet Malachi about Mosaic tithing NEVER ABRAHAMIC TITHING. No lie from you will change that fact and truth.

I am fully represented in that order because I'm a priest under Christ the high priest. Read through scripture my friend, A FUNCTIONAL PRIEST NEVER PAYS TITHE.

Scroll up I already answered this

And hey!.....I will not answer you again if you don't answer my 9 earlier questions

Cheers

You don't need to answer me because whenever you do, you increase the twist of the noose around your spurious claims and lies. So spare yourself. However, if I see any lies on this matter from you again, I promise you a rebuttal.

I asked you to repost them last nite because i was hampered by my device but you didn't. ThankGod Goshen already replied you. Deal with that.

Bidam: Your obsession about the tithe is also pathetic.Leave God's tithe alone and focus on other spiritual issues that will help your life.

Good advice coming from someone very happy his friend dug up a thread from 2011 just to get much needed support for his tithe scams. It shows who is obsessed with tithes.

When you stop peddling lies about God's tithe. Then I'll stop seeing lies to refute. I'm actually doing very well with my life. I advice you do same and stop seeing tithe as a get rich scheme.

Gombs: How many times would I say We are under Melchizedek's order of tithing not Levitical?

If Mal 3v8 refers to Levitical tithing, show me in the bible where Levitical priests blessed the tither!

I dey wait o!

Or you will use the "it was not recorded" card?

Good you are emphatic that we are not under Levitical tithing. What would it take for you to honestly admit that prophet Malachi made a clear reference to Mosaic law? Did you see any reference to Melchizedek there? God who gave the tithe law is the one who blesses. Now have you seen the verse below before

Deut 14:29
'And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

You can see an exact form of blessing pronounced on the tither here when Moses first gave the tithe law like that in Malachi when God spoke through his prophet to remind his people of their obligation. You can start from verse 22 to get the full gist. God spoke in Malachi about Levitical tithing the same way he spoke in Deut about the same Levitical tithing. God is the one who blesses, not a man in the office of a priest.

Stop your obsession with Levitical tithing law you can't keep or practice. Stick to the Abrahamic tithe which you fancifully think you can defend.

You pronounced yourself as being in Christ. So explain how you are in Christ and still obligated to pay tithes to Christ through an external party to your union with Christ.

@Goshen, indeed you have done very well. I didn't even see that Gombs himself agreed that Levitical tithing law has been abolished yet he and others still hold onto Mal 3:8-12 and Matt 23:23 which are clear and concise references to Levitical tithing.

Isn't that clear dishonesty? You agree something is cancelled by Christ death and resurrection yet you and your pastors bring it through the back door to enforce collection.

May God forgive all conmen and fraudsters using his name to fleece his children. Amen

Bidam: My bro..where is wordtalk sef?

Are you trying to phone a friend to come help you out? Is that the lifeline?

You and image had to go dig up an old thread to receive inspiration.

Very pathetic indeed. Keep looking for more.

Image123: see as people were shivering on this thread when wordtalk had their time. Most antitithe arguments are only sustained by circular repetition and gang support.

Just like you rely on lies and fabrications on Didache to further the tithe scam.

Garyarnold took his focus off the issue gave word talk leverage. When anybody refuses to be distracted by unimportant things, tithe collectors always scamper like you image123 always does

theoctopus: Please I have two questions for you:

1. What is the priesthood in the new testament?

2. Who is the priest that will collect your tithe in the new testament

3. Which of the tithes are you referring to, because there were 3 kinds of tithes for your information

My bro, Gombs is not referring to any of the tithes of the Mosaic law. He pays tithe based on Abraham's example, not according to Mosaic Tithes.

Gombs: Your tithe goes to the order of Priesthood...to the order of Mechizedek . When folks during Samuel's time paid tithes, did they pay it to samuel or to the order of priesthood?

I wait your answer, and I still await the 9 questions I asked. If I don't get the answers we are certainly done

Which order are you talking about? Abraham paid to Melchizedek directly because Melchizedek is greater being high priest. Isrealites paid directly to Levites who then gave 10% directly to Aaron and his descendants.

Num18:28
'Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the Lord of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Isreal; and ye shall give thereof the Lord's heave offering to Aaron the priest

You can see the priest has a name. The Levites gave to identifiable priests, NOT to an order just like the Levites too are identifiable when they collect from Israelites.

Also, don't confuse yourself. You say I'm in Christ. Then Christ is now the high priest. So how do I being embeded in Christ still pay tithe to the same Christ? I obviously have to pay to another so which other will receive tithe from me in Christ?

Which order will that tithe collector represent? I'll like to know.

Even though your latest questions have rendered the previous ones irrelevant, I'll answer them if you can repost them. I'm on phone and don't know why I can't reproduce them.

Gombs: Candour couldn't give this answer. Oya explain this bold to Candour why he expects me to give to Jesus physically when I'm already in Abraham like how levi was in Abraham(His seed, Jesus came from Judah, I am in Jesus do the maths)

Thanks mate.

You always shoot yourself in the foot.

Since you're in Jesus now and the lesser pays tithe to the greater, who is that priest greater than Jesus that would receive tithes from a child embeded in Christ?

Levi paid tithes not physically but because he was in Abraham when he paid to a greater than him, Melchizedek. Now you're in Jesus so for you to pay tithe now like Levi did, Jesus has to do the tithe paying. So who is the greater that will receive tithes from Jesus(with you and me in him) today?

Gombs: Irrelevant

Of course you bringing an unborn Levi into the argument was grossly irrelevant. Hope you see it now?

Hebrews 7 v 9-10 AMP
9 A person might even say that Levi [the father of
the priestly tribe] himself, who received tithes (the
tenth), paid tithes through Abraham,
10 For he was still in the loins of his forefather
[Abraham] when Melchizedek met him [Abraham].


Again I ask...Did Levi give the tithes physically?

So how did the unborn Levi you've been harping about pay tithes while in Abraham, his great grand father? You are the one that raised it so go ahead and tell me. Is that the method you adopt to pay your tithe too?

Hope you see how inane and pedestrian your use of unborn Levi as support is?

It's what the bible said...go and read it

I've read it. Bible only said he also paid tithes with Abraham when Abraham gave tithes physically to Melchizedek. Bible didn't say if Levi used another method. You seem to know so educate me.

Irrelevant. Refer to the above verse

Of course Levitical tithing will be irrelevant to you because you cannot defend it as Christian practice hence your recourse to Abraham's tithe.

How can an unborn foetus give tithe physically? Why do you persist in sounding ridiculous? Are you also paying tithes like unborn Levi? Paying in your ancestors loins? Don't you think that question is not a very intelligent one?

Anyway, let me help you reduce your dilema. Levi didn't pay physically. Hope you're OK now? So do you adopt his format?

Your use of Paul is very laughable. Just remember that there is a difference between tithes and collections. Also remember that we are talking Abraham's tithe here. Whenever you wish to switch to Mosaic tithing, inform me.

Priest is conspicuously absent from the ministry gifts of Eph 4:11 and for the simple reason that our priesthood is now enshrined in Christ. We no longer need any priestly office on earth. Also is your pastor an intermediary between you and God? Let me know if your salvation is inferior to mine and your pastor's.

You asked me 2 questions which i answered and I asked you only one question since morning which you refused to answer and you feel very right to ask me more questions?

I'll oblige you bro because I really want you to teach me. I'll answer all the questions you put up but I couldn't reproduce them in this window.

Repost them on a fresh page and I'll try my best God helping.

Cheers.

Gombs: A clever way to dodge my question

My question remain

Did the Levites paid physically to Melchizedek?

I don't see aw that question makes you a levite

You see why you should be sure of whatever you spue out on a public forum? So to justify your tithe, you have suddenly placed yourself on the same pedestal as an unborn, unformed foetus?

Levi was not a distinct person when Abraham paid tithes so it beats the imagination that he suddenly became your example. If you wish to use him and his generations as example, why not use their practice enshrined in the Mosaic law? But you can't because all your tithe premise for Christians will be blown out the window hence your recourse to Abraham's example in the first place.

Your example of Abraham paying to Melchizedek also falls flat on its face because since Melchizedek received directly, you can't give Jesus directly. Don't come up with that drop in church nonsense because you'll need to prove when your pastor became a direct collection agent for Christ.

My Bible tells me am now a priest to my God and need no go between so no mere mortal in the mould of pastor has any right to arrogate any superior priestly power over me. If your pastor can collect tithes, so can I because we have equal rights and status in Christ.

Therefore because we can't pay tithes directly to Christ, nobody pays tithe today. If you still do, for your info pastor has been chopping your money because he has no bigger right than you to collect it. If you bring to me, I'll collect and chop too.

Cheers my bro

Gombs: Sir, we are talking of paying physically to Jesus abi as Abraham paid physically?

If so, answer whether the Levites paid physically to Melchizedek.

I pay tithe today because of Abraham

I pay my tithes in church...as the scriptures said. Won't answer this question again

My dear, I'm not a levite neither am I blessed after the order of the Levites. If you are following after the example of the Levite, then that is a different matter and I'll advice you to upgrade. 'Abraham's blessings are mine, not Levi's blessings are mine' is the song we sing.

The reference to Levi there is analogous to my unborn children partaking in my actions now because they are in my loins. That should be clear to you I suppose.

Are you an unborn foetus? I believe you're not otherwise you won't be talking to me so don't pattern your tithe after the Unborn Levi.

Since you follow Abraham and he gave His tithes to Melchizedek physically, I ask again.

How do you give tithes to Jesus today?

Abraham gave directly to Melchizedek so stop that bringing to church story. You clearly differentiated tithes from offerings so stick to your definition pls