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Image123: Zikky, kindly confirm that you now have evidence that the altar receive tithe?
It's not about courage to educate, but about time and priority.

Not the tithe you've been preaching my bro. or i can go ahead and bring 1%? since thats what got to the altar? God called it HEAVE OFFERINGS my bro. Leave it that way. God's tithe is 10% of the whole, NOT 10% of 10%

Alwaystrue: ^^^^^^^
If Apostle Paul was to be alive and repeated what He said here....these same people that are grasping at straws and claiming they follow him would have called him all sort of names going by what we are seeing far.
No wonder he was being examined in I Corinthians 9:3....the examination like is going on today had happened far back from Paul's time. It is expected.

Jesus said something similar in Matthew 23:29-30.

I keep getting amazed and how deep people are willing to sink on this issue and these are people who act like they give much more.

Sister, stop getting amazed. I am surprised you assume Paul could order Corinthian Christians on how they were supposed to handle their finances. What was he? headmaster?

These guys had already purposed to give. See what he said about the ones in Romans

Romans 15:25-26
'But now i go unto Jerusalem to minster unto the saints.26.For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.'

THEY WERE NOT FORCED. APOSTLE PAUL UNDERSTOOD GRACE ENOUGH TO KNOW HE COULDN'T FORCE ANYBODY

i want to believe they don't order you to bring donations in your church

Image123: Hahahaha, you are wriggling and twisting at straight forward passage. Na wa oh. History on how the verse came to be. Rabbi, tell me more . You said "Christianity is all about free will giving." i simply showed you a verse that states otherwise.
1Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

The apostle gave ORDER, a command, a direction to give. Hear it on the Good News version.
1Co 16:1 Now, concerning what you wrote about the money to be raised to help God's people in Judea. You must do what I told the churches in Galatia to do.
1Co 16:2 Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come.
Imagine if a pastor told his congregation that You MUST Do what i told. We no go hear word again. Legalism, crook, scammer etc, that's what we will be hearing. Is it by force to give? i sincerely do not think so. i do not tink it is by force to pray, tithe, go to church, evangelise either. But God wants us to do this things, and there are Bible passages thatt support these things. EVERY SUNDAY, EACH OF YOU, not some of you, or those that feel like. Each of you must put aside some money. This money is IN PROPORTION. Don't you know that percentage means proportion? If you no like maths or you no sabi maths, carry dictionary na. The verse is very clear, there is no need to muddle up things. Again, let every man be persuaded in his own mind.

So because of tithe you actually have started seeing Paul as a dictator and commander over his flocks finances? so what would he have done if they didnt obey? call down fire from heaven or curse their finances?

It's a simple matter image. see what Paul said

Now concerning the collection for the saints, as i have given order to the churches in galatia, so do ye. upon the first day of the week......

My bro, the order was about getting it ready on the first day of the week simply so there'll be no gatherigs when he comes. He wanted to avoid rushing or disorderliness when he came.

He had no RIGHT to order them to part with their money image. That is a negation of liberty that came with GRACE.

See 2Cor 1:24
'Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand'

i repeat paul had no RIGHT over their life just like no pastor now has a right over the life or affairs of his members.

Gombs: of·fer·ing noun \ˈȯ-f(ə-)riŋ, ˈä-\

: something that is given to God or a god as a part
of religious worship
: an act of giving a religious offering
: something that is available for sale or use

Full Definition of OFFERING
a : the act of one who offers
b : something offered; especially : a sacrifice
ceremonially offered as a part of worship
c : a contribution to the support of a church
: something offered for sale or patronage <latest
offerings of the leading novelists>
: a course of instruction or study

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/offering

Still same story bro. you can see the various types of offerings even from your dictionary. I repeat the offerings of Abraham are not in the same league like what you and i put into the offering bags on sunday. ThE widow Jesus talked about gave money for temple upkeep, she didnt delude herself thinking what she threw in was in the same class like what Abraham and the Isrealis offered on the altars.

Your 'offerings' on sundays are the same like what the widow and others threw into the temple treasury and are very different from offerings brought to the altars

idnoble135: @Candour, what do you mean "was Jesus talking to me"?
#Thisgottabeinteresting

To know if Jesus was talking to you in Matt 23;23, pls start from verse 1 of that chapter.

When you finish reading with particular attention to verses 1-3, then tell if Jesus was talking to you in that verse

1Cor 9:13-14
'Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?14.Even so hath the lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel'

Paul here is trying to make a case for ministers of the gospel to be nourished by the gospel NOT to re-enact the old testament practice. He's only making a comparison. He said those who preach should live of the gospel. The same way the 72 JESUS sent out were fed by those they ministered to. I believe no one here thought they were receiving burnt offerings, peace offerings etc on their journey?

Live of the gospel means what it says. No tithe or any offerings of the old testament there

idnoble135: Lol...
1. To know i got to know, study mathew and Acts. Those two books will show it to you.
2. Okay, in as much as they obeyed right? Ok. Now if they obeyed they were priests. If they obeyed and were priests, why tithe to the Levite still? I believe my questions are not yet answered.
3. If Jesus did not condemn it but endorse it, are we not suppose to follow suit?

Bro, i have studied and i can't find a single verse where Jesus tithed. pls let me know if you have any.

The underline is that God said they'll be priests to him if they obey but did they?.but meanwhile, the same God choose the Levites and Aaron to be priest so please let us not arrogate a status God didnt confer on the other Isrealites on them. God choose the Levites, let us leave it that way.

We've studied Matt 23 on nairaland a lot. Pls kindly start from Matt 23:1 and tell me if Matt 23:23 was talking to you

Whatever makes you not to keep Sabbath(afterall GOD almighty himself observed it), should also confine tithe to the back waters of the annuled old covenant.

Gombs: Question anti tithers can't seem to answer

"If tithes have been done away with, what about offering?"


...Someone here said Abraham ra.ped (molested) Hagar (his maid) and had ishmael...*looking stunned

I see some folks don't know anything of the bible after all

*watching from the side lines

Which offerings are we talking about here? burnt offerings, peace offerings, sin offerings, heave offerings. which one exactly?

my bro, what we give today and call offerings are nothing like the offerings of Abraham o.

what we do today is best called collections the name Paul described them by in 1Cor 16:1

idnoble135: I never said so. That is on the extreme ground. What will take men to hell is if they do not accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Not tithing will not take anyone to hell. There are things that God has in store for us as HIS Church that require us to tithe, not to earn it, but for us to access it.

I believe you dont think non tithers will go to hell for not tithing but did you see the hell videos spread like skin disease on Nairaland lately? how do you think a weak Christian will view them? Thats why we must let folks know they DO NOT OFFEND GOD IF THEY DO NOT TITHE

idnoble135: @Candour, i know where you're coming from, i've read your comments on threads.
I dont intend to do much talking. I also have reasons why i believe it is relevant. I've decided to be silent on the issue for the main time. But may i also add to you that Jesus tithed. Did you ever studied that?

Honestly, i never knew Jesus tithes at all in his earthy ministry. kindly point out the relevant scripture to me if you wil

Though i base my points on tithe from the law point of view. Permit to also ask two questions. There's no harm in learning.
1. A priest is greater than a levite. A priest comes from Levi. But a priest is higher than a levite. I dont think you need bible verses to show the difference in their roles there. Why would God ask the israelites to tithe to the Levites if God already called the israelites priests? Exodus 19:6

Lets start from verse 5
Ex 19:5-6
'Now therefore, If ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:6.nd ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Isreal'

My bro, from the bolded part of verse 5, its VERY OBVIOUS it was CONDITIONAL dependent on their obedience. Did they attain that obedience? It was their prospect but did they get it?

2. Did Jesus condemn tithe?[color=]@Candour, i know where you're coming from, i've read your comments on threads.
I dont intend to do much talking. I also have reasons why i believe it is relevant. I've decided to be silent on the issue for the main time. But may i also add to you that Jesus tithed. Did you ever studied that?

He didnt condemn tithe the same way he didnt condemn Sabbath(He only showed it was alright to do good on Sabbath) or offering ritually offering pigeons and turtle dove when you're cleansed from leprosy. Do you still observe Sabbath today? if not why? will like to see scripture where Jesus tithed bro.

My bro, i also dont like long arguments but we must be wary of what we take as Christian doctrine no matter how long in practice

@idnoble

Pls ponder on this small write up and give yourself answers in your mind

Some things not written expressly in scripture but which can be stated without fear of contradiction based on old testament history and laws

1. Jesus would NEVER have received tithes when he was on earth because he was not from the tribe of Levi.

2. The apostles would NEVER have received tithes because non was a Levite or serving at the Temple.

They all knew what the law says. Remember the law was in full operation then and the Levitical priesthood was in charge. I can confidently say here that if they had tried collecting tithes from any body, the Jews whould have STONED THEM TO DEATH because it would have been Sacrilege.

DO YOU AGREE WITH THE ABOVE?

The question now comes, how could the early Christians have paid tithe? who would they have paid it to?

Catholic history records tithe as being resurrected at a council in Tours(567AD) and Macon(585AD). Does it mean that all the Christians who lived in that span of over 500 years all sinned and are going to hell?

idnoble, what do you think?

Bidam: You are so much in a hurry...Lol,
Now here is the tricky part of this whole concept of givings. A giving that is devoid of faith no matter the amount is not acceptable in the sight of God.Go ask Cain and Abel.

you're right about giving with faith there

OK...let me calm down and wait for our brother

Giving.....sure but tithe.......No No No

Tithe has nothing to do in/with Christianity.

Waiting for more info from Joagbaje though.....

Some things not written expressly in scripture but which can be stated without fear of contradiction based on old testament history and laws

1. Jesus would NEVER have received tithes when he was on earth because he was not from the tribe of Levi.

2. The apostles would NEVER have received tithes because non was a Levite or serving at the Temple.

They all knew what the law says. Remember the law was in full operation then and the Levitical priesthood was in charge. I can confidently say here that if they had tried collecting tithes from any body, the Jews whould have STONED THEM TO DEATH because it would have been Sacrilege.

The question now comes, how could the early Christians have paid tithe? who would they have paid it to?

Catholic history records tithe as being resurrected at a council in Tours(567AD) and Macon(585AD). Does it mean that all the Christians who lived in that span of over 500 years all sinned and are going to hell?

Christians saved by Grace, what do you think?

Alwaystrue: A great mystery:

Proverbs 11:24
24 There is that scattereth, and yet increaseth; and there is that withholdeth more than is meet, but it tendeth to poverty. 25 The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.

He that scattereth (that is spreading in different places) will always increase from different sources. The increase is not to for hoarding but to keep scattering.

Love, mercy and fairness is what drives any giving, no wonder Jesus called them the weighthier aspects of the law for it is possible to give
without love (a godless heart),
without mercy (not touched but as a means to just be left alone) or
being unfair or unjust (giving with partiality).

Even God first LOVED before He GAVE His Son to save us.
Giving is nothing without first Loving.
1 Cor. 13:3.

We are saved unto good works and good works emanate from a life lived in love. Selflessness with our resources is the life God wants for his children. As Christians, we must be ready to share with others less privileged at every point in time.

We came to this world with nothing and we'll leave with nothing, so why hoard?

God bless you sis

Bidam: let's not deceive ourselves 80% or 2% maybe grudgingly or of necessity when giving the principle of love is actively in play in the lives of believers,you do unto others as you expect them to do unto you. You prepare and ponder on it before you give.You don't need anyone to arm-twist you into giving to God.

2 Corinthians 9:7

The Message (MSG)

6-7 Remember: A stingy planter gets a stingy crop; a lavish planter gets a lavish crop. I want each of you to take plenty of time to think it over, and make up your own mind what you will give. That will protect you against sob stories and arm-twisting. God loves it when the giver delights in the giving.

Exactly what we've been preaching since. Let Christians be allowed to decide for themselves. No percentages or Specific formulae. Whether to Church, Pastor or beggar, let Christians decide for themselves.

Image123: Ask Candour or go read Numbers 18. Are you the world, or what do you mean by the showing the world?

Levites collect tithes from the people. This is taken to be like increase of farmland and livestock for them. They then offer up a HEAVE OFFERING out of it which they take to the priest. It is 10% of the tithes they collect from Isreal.

Num 18:26-30

christemmbassey: go and study who Paul was, do you think he was a Nigerian? Where laws are broken with impunity. Paul was a Benjaminite, even if a naija believer was there and mischievously offered him tithe, Paul would av said, "get ye behind me, satan". Don't study/interpret scripture from d naija perspective. Peace.

Some things not written expressly in scripture but which can be stated without fear of contradiction based on old testament history and laws

1. Jesus would NEVER have received tithes when he was on earth because he was not from the tribe of Levi.

2. The apostles would NEVER have received tithes because non was a Levite or serving at the Temple.

They all knew what the law says. Remember the law was in full operation then and the Levitical priesthood was in charge. I can confidently say here that if they had tried collecting tithes from any body, the Jews whould have STONED THEM TO DEATH because it would have been Sacrilege.

The question now comes, how could the early Christians have paid tithe? who would they have paid it to?

Catholic history records tithe as being resurrected at a council in Tours(567AD) and Macon(585AD). Does it mean that all the Christians who lived in that span of over 500 years all sinned and are going to hell?

Image123: 1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

LET EVERY ONE OF YOU- freewill?
AS GOD HAS PROSPERED- proprtional?

A liitle history of how the verse you quoted came to be

Acts 11:28-30
'And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Ceaser.29.Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in judea:30.Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul'

Romans 15:25-26
'But now i go unto Jerusalem to minster unto the saints.26.For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.'

1Cor 16:1-3
'Now concerning the collection for the saints, as i have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.2.Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when i come.3.And when i come, whomesoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will i send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem'

see the trail: Famine was predicted by a prophet from Jerusalem. remember the Jerusalem saints sold all they had and maintained a common purse, naturally the purse went dry. Gentile Christians then determined to send supplies to the saints at Jerusalem who had become impoverished from sharing everything and also possibly the fierce persecution. Everyman gave according to his ability. No body stipulated a percentage. proportionate means if you earn big, pls give big.

There was nothing compulsive, remember they all determined and purposed to give and were even pleased to do so. see the bolded portions up there.

summary, no compulsion, no percentages or formulae.

see how the Gentile Christians must have reasoned to do what they did

1John 3:17
'But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?'

Image123: Can we purpose ten percent then?

God bless you image for this question.

Yes Yes Yes

Its your decision bro and God is pleased with it.

Alwaystrue: ^^^^Thumbs up guys.

you too sister.

God bless

Image123: Yes or No?
Did the tabernacle receive tithe?
Did the altar receive tithe?

1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

No problem but Tithe is not part of the gospel.

Freewill given is. Every man as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give. I could purpose 2% or 80%. God has given me that liberty.

Alwaystrue: .....
Now do these scriptures sound familiar to you:
Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

Ephesians 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace

Are you looking for the ordinances contrary to us? Check the judgements (also called ordinances) in Exodus 21. Jesus had even started abolishing them while He was alive for He spoke in Matthew 5....eye for an eye and so on.
If you read the end of Exodus 23, you will see where God spoke about enemies from Exodus 23:22 and how the wall of enmity was already drawn right from then against the gentiles.
The handwriting of ordinances against us is that which Moses wrote and the people agreed to and Moses made a convenant with so it would stand against them as a judgement! The judgement in this sense is what happens to them when they disobey those ordinances. This is what Jesus took away nailing to the cross....The ordinances or judgement agaisnt them and please note that the 10 commandments was not part of this that was nailed.
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My sister Alwaystrue, read your post. Can't do step by step analysis now but the quote above stood out to me. My sister, ORDINANCES are DECREES and are also laws howbeit bye laws if you want.If they are laws, then they are enforceable. This is the reason I'll always bring you back to Matt 23:1-3 where Christ said to obey all the religious leaders bade you obey. That verse say Christ nailed them to the cross and that includes tithing.

Tithe was not a part of the 10 so why is tithe so special? The argument of Abram holds no water because when Mal 3, and Christ in Matt 23 talk, they EVIDENTLY referred to Mosaic law. It is an UNTRUTH to say otherwise.

Paul made reference to Temple and Altar in Corinthians and I repeat here, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between Temple and altar. Only Priests got to the altar. Only Priests and their families ate of the altar. Levites work in and around the temple but have no business with the altar(except assisting the priests, cleaning and general maintenance). The priests(sons of Aaron) own the operations of the altar. Tithes come to the Levites at the temple and only 10% of tithes which are called heave offerings make it to the altar. Paul knew what he was saying when he made that demarcation.

Read Num Chapters 3 & 4 to get the duties of the Priests and Levites and Num 18 to see how God apportioned entitlements.

Priests are levites, not all levites are priests. The altar is in the temple not all parts of the temple are altars.

Tithe has no place in Christianity because it is legalistic but Christianity is all about free will giving.God gave freely so we are to give freely and cheerfully too.

EDIT.

christemmbassey: image123, if u r in nigeria and u say u've never withness a pastor or u urself force, intimidate or cuse ppl with mal 3 to pay tithe, u r a big liar. Its good to see change of gear from d tithe crew, now u guys av accepted dat tithe eventhough wrong should not b forced on ppl, thats a great joy for us. God bless.

We dont need to go too far sef to see evidence of force and threat.Even here on nairaland.the hell videos being propagated always had horror stories about the fate that awaits defaulters in tithe payment. If that is not force enough for a weak Christian, tell me what force is.

Thank God the videos have stopped coming but Cristians are still being cajoled and threatened with failure everyday if they do not part with 10%. I was watching ACBN sometime last month and a pastor of a big church in abuja said if you dont pay tithe, even your fourth generation will suffer. That Abraham knew it so he paid so that Levi will not suffer and all his church members were just looking on. Tell me how you wont pay up if you dont know your bible, then you now wonder how that is an example of cheerfully giving?

OLAADEGBU: Faithful Christian stewardship demands that we should be willing to use 100% of our financial resources as the Lord see fit. God is less concerned with how much we give as a measure of our love for Him and His work than with what we keep and spend on ourselves.

i agree

Image123: Both the tabernacle and the altar received tithes. Your point is invalid, God has ordained that preachers can so live.

That's your own interpretation my bro. The God who instituted tithes and offerings demarcated them. If you claim to know more than him, feel free. Read Num 18:1-end and tell me why you can't see it. Their office, duties, entitlements are all spelt. I believe it can't be that difficult to see. Would have typed them out but on a phone now.

Paul was well versed in the law so when he indicated the difference, he knew what he was saying and doing.

I wonder why you don't see a difference when it comes to temple and altar but you're quick to insist tithing must be separated from the regular offerings people give.

Can't Christians just go ahead and give since there's no difference?

Alwaystrue: .....
Now do these scriptures sound familiar to you:
Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

Ephesians 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace

Are you looking for the ordinances contrary to us? Check the judgements (also called ordinances) in Exodus 21. Jesus had even started abolishing them while He was alive for He spoke in Matthew 5....eye for an eye and so on.
If you read the end of Exodus 23, you will see where God spoke about enemies from Exodus 23:22 and how the wall of enmity was already drawn right from then against the gentiles.
The handwriting of ordinances against us is that which Moses wrote and the people agreed to and Moses made a convenant with so it would stand against them as a judgement! The judgement in this sense is what happens to them when they disobey those ordinances. This is what Jesus took away nailing to the cross....The ordinances or judgement agaisnt them and please note that the 10 commandments was not part of this that was nailed.
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My sister Alwaystrue, read your post. Can't do step by step analysis now but the quote above stood out to me. My sister, ORDINANCES are DECREES and are also laws howbeit bye laws if you want.If they are laws, then they are enforceable. This is the reason I'll always bring you back to Matt 23:1-3 where Christ said to obey all the religious leaders bade you obey. That verse say Christ nailed them to the cross and that includes tithing.

Tithe was not a part of the 10 so why is tithe so special? The argument of Abram holds no water because when Mal 3, and Christ in Matt 23 talk, they EVIDENTLY referred to Mosaic law. It is an UNTRUTH to say otherwise.

Paul made reference to Temple and Altar in Corinthians and I repeat here, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between Temple and altar. Only Priests got to the altar. Only Priests and their families ate of the altar. Levites work in and around the temple but have no business with the altar. Tithes come to the Levites at the temple and only 10% of tithes which are called heave offerings make it to the altar. Paul knew what he was saying when he made that demarcation.

Priests are levites, not all levites are priests. The altar is in the temple not all parts of the temple are altars.

Tithe has no place in Christianity but Christianity is all about giving.God gave so we give

Bidam: DID YOU CALL ME A SELF RIGHTEOUS INDIVIDUAL AND A LEGALIST? YES OR NO?

See what I said

I don't see IT as sin but as burdensome legalism and self righteousness

I believe you realise the IT there is TITHE? if that is what you are referring to, then it is exactly what I called IT.

Whatever variations of it you adopt is your call.

Once again, I used it as an example to show the wrong of generalising.

I hope its clear now?

Bidam: Your post was actually judgmental bro. There was never a time i condemned antithers when we don't agree on elementary doctrinal issues such as the tithe.Heck! i don't even condemn people who don't believe God exist.

Why not wait for me to say that before jumping to conclusions for me? This was a reference made to stop generalization. Pls treat it as such.

When both of us want to start condemning one another, I'm sure we both know how to start.

Bidam: Some people are quick to judge or condemn what they don't and never will understand.For me the word of God is not a formula but an act of faith,i see tithing as such and please best be careful to condemn others on principles you don't agree with simply because you do not understand it. Let the Holy Ghost be the judge of my actions .God bless you.

Bidam, pls understand my point. Image tried to hang Christemmbassey's position on most against tithe and I brought in your example to show there are different beliefs. Where did I condemn your practice there?

Pls don't make my post say what I didn't say

Bidam: The lord said to moses,tell the israelites to bring me an offering.You are to receive the offering for me from each man whose heart prompts him to give.Exodus 25:1-2.

This scripture doesn't look as if God forcefully demanded them to give,i quoted that scripture earlier may be you overlooked it.

Bidam, that verse you quoted has absolutely nothing to do with tithes. Have you forgotten tithe is the issue here NOT GIVING?

We all agree on giving bro

christemmbassey: bros why d shyness? When u carry tithe dat u supposed to pay to a levite and give to a Yoruba, Igbo, Bini or Warri or a Calabar man, is dat nt against d law of Moses dat commands tithe? Even Abram gave directly to Melchi. You carry levite tithe n give to a none -levite, bros, both d giver n d taker av commited SIN, CALL A SPADE, 'A SPADE'.

Not shyness bro. You and I know all Christians are saved by grace and not by keeping mosaic law. No one gives tithe today if we have to do justice to the definition in the Bible. However calling it sin makes it look like we are living by the laws of Moses which is not true.

Even folks who wish to go back to Moses shall be stopped by God's grace