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truthislight: Error! Error !! Error !!!

Jw dont make announcement for monetary offering/collection nor collect offering/collection, do not do collection of any kind during their bible study gathering at all in anyway.

At least, ^ that am aware of.

'All' giving are exclusively 'voluntary' contribution into boxes at the extreme back in their halls.

No time ever dedicated for it during There religiouse bible study gathering.

Detailed audit is done monthly.
Peace

That's why I said I couldn't speak authoritatively on it. Thanks for the info, now I know

Cheers

tobechi74: There is nothing like anntitithe church.
Some churches impose it compulsorily on members,others see is as voluntary.NO CHIRCH REJECT TITHE

You're wrong. Church of Christ that I mentioned do not mention tithe at all. Collection bags are passed accross once during service and you put whatever you want which they call collections. Then the amount collected is announced at service end. This happens only on sundays. No percentages, NO TITHE.

Heard JW operate this style too but I've not being there so can't say it with authority

Gombs: You want me to stay here and debate whether the 5000 were disciples or carnal men? You mean to say the 5000 men excluding women and children all left him and 120 remained? Is dat what you want me to debate?

Or you want me to strt listing out developing projects of churches other than catholic?

Or debate when tithes came into catholic church?

Or debate...


I can't wallow in these na!

You called them followers of Christ and I showed you from the bible that they were not. You wanted to deny and I showed your dishonesty. Bible said only 120 disciples were in the upper room, u said there must be others. Is it me you're arguing with or the bible?

You like asking for evidence from others, is it too much if I ask you for yours?

When Catholic church brought tithes into Christianity is not in doubt. The records are in black and white and are very verifiable. You know about the Nicene creed, you should check this new info too.

If you can't continue, no problem.

I won't force you

Processor01: To be frank, there has been so much debate on here about tithing and while I have completely stopped tithing I still find it hard to fit into churches that still practice this.

I was wondering if others could share a list of churches that do not preach tithing.

Waiting for the likes of Drummaboy, Goshen, Pastor Kun, Candour and all others.

GOD BLESS

Church of Christ does not collect tithes. They have congregations all over the country independent of one another.

I'm sure they are in Lagos. Just discovered them middle of this year. I attend their bible studies often. If I can, I'll get address of the Lagos branches for you tommorow.

Gombs: ^^
Funny fellow!

You can twist words eh!

Good thing you have J-Town blood

Sharp guy......you can run away eh!!

Yes o. Love and miss Jos

Zikkyy: Now why would a fisherman tithe if God did not include him in the list. I wonder how some people reason. So if the president changes his cabinet today and provides a list of ministerial appointees, because the president did not say Image123 is not one of the appointees, you will go to Abuja and resume as a minister



God already told you what is holy to him. You want to add to it are you now God to decide for him? on what authority do you decide what is Holy to the Lord? since the passage did not limit God's tithe, you are saying we are now free to decide what is Holy to the Lord? can we now say tithe from prosti.tution or robbery is holy to the Lord? can you just listen to your self

I had decided to stop commenting on this thread but I actually burst into laughter at this post by Zikkyy. I'll add you to my list of NL comedians.

Are you a Niger delta bred guy by any chance? You sound like one?

Gombs: But wait first...why do you like lying? Y do you love twisting scriptures?
Are you saying Jesus fed 5000disciples? Go study again plz

Were you sleeping when you referred to them as souls won by Christ? I showed you from the bible now that they were just carnal people pretending to love Christ and suddenly you want to deny them?

See what you typed with your own hands and tell me who the dishonest person is.

Gombs: Jesus won much souls dan you can ever imagine. He didn't have just 120..u could call the 120 his leaders. That's why he said they shd teach everyone whatsoever thing he has commanded them. What abt the 5000 he fed? What abt those 3000, what abt those he taught by the see of Galilee? Etc

Now who is the dishonest person?

You can't imagine

Congrats on your huge following then. Wish you many more disciples.

Try being honest. Where did I say dat?

So what did you mean using your big churches to show how successful your tithe message is? Or you just listed the churches for the fun of it?

You said he wrote to timothy that everybody has left him...you can lie jooor. Paul had workers everywhere he went. Faithful men and women and also those who caused him grief. How does that equate to the fact that he had few brethren?

2 Tim 1:15
'This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me :of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes'

Oya go on and accuse Paul and the Bible of lying

I am God's super intelligentsia,I'm smart, intelligent and I have a sound mind, all because the Holy Spirit dwells in every fibre of my being. He is in my thought and deeds. You should invite him in, He would teach you ALL truth.

I'm happy for you that you're intelligent and its OK to brag about it. Now use that same intelligence God gave you to study the word and stop following gods of men so you won't be led on the broad way of covetousness to destruction.

And I'm not joking when I said I'm very smart and intelligent. Call it bragging or being braggadocious
, or being whatever...na you sabi. Me I don talk my own-i spoke what I am in Christ

don't worry, i don't doubt your intelligence. Just apply it well. Intelligent people can be led astray too like the examples I gave you.

Why?

They make judicious use of financial resources at their disposal for the good of a great number of people unlike most Pentecostal Churches

Who said penticostal churches don't do the above?

Go ahead and give examples. Abi you dey fear?

You can lie eh! Where did I say I hated or don't like catholics? I say the Nicene and apostles' creed a lot sef! Y wud I hate em?

I didn't say you hated them. Just didn't know you like them so much. You seem to know so much about the Catholic yet refused to know they brought tithe into Christianity in 585AD at Macon? Why is that?

Why don't you give your tithe freely then?

I give in Church bro but don't do any Pharisaical meticulousness to ensure it agrees with a percentage. As I purpose in my heart, so I give

You too lie abeg! I shd ask Christ shey? SMH

Yes o. Christ said few will find the narrow and strait road or is that not in your bible? Abi you want to call Christ a liar too

Hard core Jos boy! born and bred. I played football there till I hang boot. I can't wait to catch you, na my area be that. I will get you filled with the Holyspirit.

Really? I miss Jos. Came for holidays last year. Will do it again. Met and married my sweet beautiful darling wife there and had my first child there too. Stayed at Rayfield then. Maybe I'll find time to make another visit soon. I'll like to see you, maybe I go give you tithe make you rest shebi you're of melchizedekian order

Alfa Seltzer: I guess you want to do what soldiers of christ are best at doing: run away.

well....if you say so.

congrats....you just won yourself another bragging right

Alfa Seltzer: You got it wrong.

I like him. I like him like a king likes a court jester. I like him like a psychiatrist likes a patient.

Answer the question. Why are your priorities different from his?

Congrats then on the jests you get from him

I guess i have the right not to answer your question or you think otherwise?

Alfa Seltzer: So why did he do it? You god got misplaced priorities?

You do not like him. You scream on NL everyday how much you detest him. You complain at the way his followers dominate the forum.

why do you want to know? Does it matter anything to you?

Alfa Seltzer: You don't like greatness?

It's not a priority

Gombs: Alright



Jesus won much souls dan you can ever imagine. He didn't have just 120..u could call the 120 his leaders. That's why he said they shd teach everyone whatsoever thing he has commanded them. What abt the 5000 he fed? What abt those 3000, what abt those he taught by the see of Galilee? Etc

Those 5000 and 3000 were carnal people who were running after Jesus because of bread and fish just like you're running after Christ today for breakthroughs, money and other things. The way you talk about tithes is evidence of that. See what Christ said to those you take as good Christian examples

John 6:26-27
'Jesus answered them and said, verily, verily I say unto you, ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves and were filled.27. Labour not for the meat that perisheth, but for the meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath the father sealed'

See what they eventually did when they heard the truth

John 6:66
'From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him'

You too would stop walking with Christ if you are told the truth that Christianity is not a rose petaled pathway.

Even if he had just 120 folks, he said we would do MUCH MORE than He did if we believe.

And how many disciples do you personally have today? Your statement also mean that any Church not having a crowd is not a Church sanctioned by God.right?

Paul was the Bishop(like general overseer) of the 7 Churches in Asia and beyond...timothy was the Pastor of the ephesian church! Go study about Polycarp, iganatius, etc imagine the number of brethren he(Paul) had!

So Paul lied when he wrote that to Timothy right?

Infact your writ has no point but the usual lies

Let me tell you another lie

Some 1000 smart people followed Rev Jim Jones into mass suicide in 1978 thinking they were following a 'man of God'. Also millions of people world wide followed Rev Moon of the unification church thinking he's the messiah. Even after his death last year, they are still following his vision. So my friend, smartness still does not prevent dumb acts.

See as you lovingly described tithes in the Catholic church. why then don't you tithe? Abi the one they collect
is not tithe again? Come to St Murumba's Catholic Church here and see as Father Gyang ALWAYS encourage his flock to pay their tithes.

My dear, speaking for myself here, I respect the catholic more than all these your money grabbing Pentecostal churches. The good they did and still do for the community is evident even to the blind and not so smart people.

So you dont like the catholic church yet you put them in your list? Na wah for you. Its just the same way I love DLBC using tithes to feed hungry souls at their retreats without asking for special retreat offerings but that doesn't justify tithes for Christians. Freewill giving is what Christianity is about. Everyman as he purposeth in his heart, let him give....

I gave up at your concluding speech. So the bigger the church the narrower it gets to fit into the 'strait gate'?

Lol

Ask Christ who said only few would be found on the narrow strait road. Abi you stopped reading your bible at that verse too?



P/S; so you be Jos boy? Worked in Jos for over 7 years and played plenty football at st murumba field. I go catch you one of these days

Alfa Seltzer: Why don't you emulate him?

No reason to

Alfa Seltzer: Got himself nailed alive on a log of wood with thieves? That's the great thing he did for you? SMH.

yeah brother. a very great thing indeed.

Jastombutex11: Are u are a farmer. U pay the tithe of what u have to God and not mandatorily farm produce. Mind u are u sure u are a Christian ?

I'm not a farmer so i dont qualify to pay tithe. No levite exist today at least non exist in Nigeria so NOBODY qualifies to receive it.

Lev 27:30-33 tells us what God calls tithe.
Deut 14:22-29 further elaborates on it and even explains in detail the operations of the tithe laws he gave Moses. Is your Church practicing any of those? This is the same practice Mal 3:8-12 sought to remind the people of.

Note that there were blacksmiths, fishermen, carpenters sculptors, laborers at this time. People were receiving money as wages yet God stipulated farm produce. If you say otherwise, that means you know better than God and i'll say goodluck with that.

Is it tithing that determines Christianity in your world?

Gombs: What gladdens my heart is that NO MATTER the number of threads anti tithers open on a daily basis, irrespective of how they twist the topic to try and buy solidarity for their cause, they ALWAYS fail. The other thread where they opened to give testimonies about stopping tithing is a good example. Almost all comments are pro tithers. Funny enough, pro tithers don't proliferate threads ie open threads daily asking folks to tithe. God cannot be mocked. He knows his own. He is watching you all!

Name one anti tithe Church that has a global congregation! Or let's leave global level, how many of them have influence (membership base) in the country?

What's even more baffling is that, these tithing churches has brethren that are a million time smarter than folks who seem smart, by saying pastors eat tithes. I'm very smart, I don't do things I know don't work.

In other words, I'm saying to Goshen, Kunle, Christembassey, and their crew are your churches bigger and better than

RCCG
WINNERS
ECWA
COCIN
BAPTIST
METHODIST
CHURCH OF GOD MISSION
DUNAMIS
KICC
SYNAGOGUE CHURCH OF ALL NATION
CHRIST EMBASSY
ANGLICAN
CATHOLIC
DLBC
Just to mention a few

If you belong to any of the above churches and you still don't tithe, because you think you are smarter than those that do, I can understand why, but then let's watch and see how we all(tithers and anti tithers) end.


Emmm, Kunle, Candour has been unusually quiet lately. Hope he is in Good health?

I'm very fine my friend and in perfect health. Nice of you to ask. Just being unusually busy these days.

Now according to your twisted logic above, until a 'Church' is big and visible like the ones you listed above, they are not of God. Jesus Christ our Savior must have been a 'failure' in your world because after a whole 3 years of ministry, he had only 120 disciples waiting in the upper room for the Holy Ghost.

Then God too doesn't know how to bring people to holiness because at the time of Prophet Elijah, only 7000 Israelites were true to Yahweh while the congregations of Baal were bursting at the seams.

Then Paul too was a failure because when he wrote to timothy, he complained that he was alone as all had abandoned him. People like Demas and co(probably they went collecting tithes as Paul didn't permit it ).

The Catholic Church doesnt even push tithes the way you do so dont group them together with those pentecostal Churches listed up there. Even the tithes they collected in the past paid for the free schools and hospitals your parents and my parents including the parents of your gods of men enjoyed. Yet none of your churches today can boast of even free primary schools.

If size is what matters, i wonder why you're not with the Catholic Church which is so big that the Pope is equivalent to a head of state and has embassies in all countries. Of course that must mean the Catholic Church has smarter people than all those other Churches you listed above combined together

smartness doesnt mean a thing my friend. we've seen educated people who are dumb. For instance, do you know Ayman Al Zawahiri, the number 2 to Osama is a medical doctor? Do you know Osama himself was a billionaire who had a masters? Do you know how many professors who lectured you and your gods of men are atheists? Do you know Mohammed Atta, the ring leader of 9/11 hijack was on his way to a Phd in Engineering? but his smartness didn't prevent him from that very dumb act. my dear smart people do very dumb things too which explains the 'smart' people who can't read their bibles but wait for a smooth talking dude to give them his own interpretation.

My dear, God doesn't measure spirituality with size or smartness. That is why he chose the wretched of the earth to push the gospel and if you read the history of the early Church, those poor peasants and slaves brought the great Roman empire to its knees. see what Christ said

Matt 7:13-14
'Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:[/b]14.Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and [b]few there be that find it'

I hope your large gathering is narrow enough to fit into the strait gate? otherwise all your tithing and seed sown will only buy you a very big space on the road leading to destruction.

nlMediator: Satan is both evil-looking and good-looking. He transforms himself into what image is suitable for the purpose he seeks to accomplish. Some people only come under his influence through fear or terror and not because of his debonair looks.

True talk. He's crafty with plenty tricks but powerless against a Christian saved by Grace and who is aware of what Christ did on our behalf

OLAADEGBU: You didn't hear messages on tithes and offerings because you were not a disciple of our Lord Jesus Christ who are faithful stewards. You only go to retreats to feed on the meat that perishes. Tithes and offerings of the faithfuls are meant for the propagation of the gospel which endures to eternal life. The earlier you partake of this the better so that the grace of God would not be in vain.

Wrong answer.

I didn't hear messages on tithe because they were not on the programme. Kumuyi knows better that the gospel is more than Naira and kobo so he focuses topics that have to do with the soul. You are still trying to squeeze it in there, is it that bad? Must you see tithe in everything?

And why are you so obsessed with mundane things? First money, now food? Do you pay attention to any other thing there at all?

The grace of God is bigger than retreat food so set your priorities right. Its in your best interest

OLAADEGBU: Not after giving you a parallel of your case.

"And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him Rabbi, when did you come here? Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say to you, You seek me, not because you saw the miracles, but because you did eat of the loaves, and were filled. [b]Labour not for the meat which perishes, but for the meat which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give to you: for him God the Father sealed[b]" (John 6:25-27).

On your next trip to the retreat ground, make sure the bolded stays on your mind and labour for the meat which doesn't perish.

You're the one chasing after God for miracles abi are you not the one trying to force God's hands with Mal 3:8-12? You are the one who labours for the meat that perisheth hence your obsession with tithes and the goodies you expect it to bring. As for me, whatever my state or station in life, I'm grateful to God for the salvation of my soul. That is what counts. I pray you realise this truth.

I preach Christ, Contentment, Modesty, Selflessness etc but you are preaching to people to use tithe as Kalo kalo to get blessed. You're the one that needs to digest this verse, not me.

Christ wants us to seek him, not on the basis of the Mosaic laws but in Spirit and in truth. He blesses me simply on the basis of his love and not on my tithing. The most important giving God wants from us is for the needy.

Jokes aside, I never heard a single message on tithe at the last retreat and all through my stay in DLBC, I cant remember hearing plenty sermons from the pulpit on tithe so it baffles me why you have made it your cardinal doctrine to pursue.

Focus on the weightier matters and stop encouraging criminality in the body of Christ.

OLAADEGBU: Most skeptics on this board that I know are anti tithers.



Don't be invidious. You don't have to stir up animosity and ill will among brethren, leave that to devil, unless you are his advocate.



How does giving my tithe tend to greed and covetousness? As I said earlier; It is the wallet that is the final frontier to be conquered, the last thing that comes to God in surrender. Sacrilege is dangerous to your health.

Phew!!! That must have taken plenty energy. Congratulations. Now that you've exhaled and let it all out, I trust you can take a breather now abi?

Cheers

Osahon7: @pastor kun,fr evangel,candour etc what of the Old testament blessings dose the New convenant makes the old testaments blessings INVALID?

You see my bro, this your question is a whole new topic because it will demarcate between the Old and new covenants. suffice to say that Israel who had the old covenant of the law were God's people with earthly promises while the Church that is the beneficiary of the new covenant of Grace are God's people with heavenly promises. The blessings in Deuteronomy are not for the Church. They were for Israel based on their obedience to the Mosaic law. Our blessings which are based on the promises made to Abraham will crystallize when Christ comes back to set up his heavenly kingdom on earth to fulfill what God promised to Abraham.

See what Paul said under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit

Eph 1:3
'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ'

Col 3:1-2
'If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.2.Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth'

Christ already set the stage for these statements when he said the following
Matt 6:19-20
'Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:20.But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:21.For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also'

As Christians in this world, we are to work hard and God has promised to meet our needs. However in terms of the physical blessings, a Christian is not at any advantage than the heathen. see what Christ said

Matt 5:45
'That ye may be the children of your father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust'

God blesses both the good and the bad and that is why you see atheists, muslims, hindus etc prosper the same way some Christians too prosper. Infact you'll find few Christians among the wealthiest on earth today and that should tell you something. God has promised not to leave nor forsake us(Heb 13:5) and Christ has promised to meet our needs(Matt 6:31-34) and he has asked us not to fear because we are indeed valuable to him(Matt 10:28-31).

We are not to fear any devil or his cohorts because

Col 2:14-15
'Blotting out the handwritten of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;15.And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it'

Phil 2:10
'That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;'

Rom 8:31-32
'What shall we then say to these things? if God be for us, who can be against us?32.He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all thing?'

My brother, you can see we are very adequately covered in the new covenant of grace and it's all free with no cost attached. All we need do is believe. We should also not be led by covetousness and greed as Christ has already told us.

Hope this answers your question but if any other question exists, feel free to air it. Had to do this in a hurry

God bless us all as we strive to know more of him.

Processor01: When I stopped tithing some questions started popping out of the scriptures;
- Why do I claim to be a joint heir with Christ and still say God's cut is primarily 10%.
- How do I claim to have the spirit of God leading me but run back to the letter(10% tithe) when it came to my money.
- Why do these preachers never mention the fact that Abraham not only titled but he gave away the remaining 90%.
- If tithing was taught by Peter and the early apostles, why didn't Annias and Sapphira just pay their tithe and walk away like most of us do now.
- How come it was never mentioned that Dorcas was a great tither? Would the church today have paid any attention to her death?

I know without any shadow of doubt that I am still far away from where and what I ought to be but I thank God for his grace and unflinching love.

GOD IS LOVE,

Continue your inquiries and observations. They are indeed refreshing.

God bless you brother

Alwaystrue: Anyone who truly lives for Jesus will 'suffer' when you say and do the right things in this world. There are a lot of things you will miss out on but you will gain much more of the Kingdom of God in righteousness, peace and His joy.

Is it shame, ridicles, scorn, abuse? Jesus suffered greater. Is it loss of certain things in the is life like friends, like business deals, like failing exams because you decide not to cheat or even write down what people are whispering around you? Is it giving up supposed worldly pleasures because the needs around you are so great and you even pray to do much more? Or is it being a 'fool' and not doing somethings the world is doing to get faster results because you know the will of your Father? There are so many things we die to daily in this world to do what Jesus wants us to do.

Whatever we may claim to suffer is even by the grace of God (I Corinthians 15:10) and still we should see ourselves as shown in the scripture below, we are doing what the Master told us to do. I Peter 2:19-20.

Luke 17:9-10

9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do

hmmm....very true and timely message.
God bless

ejiboy1: This is a true talk indeed. I think all anti-tithers shd study those scriptures and read meaning in this guy's post.

And let me tell U, this is just like a gamble and u av to use ur inner sense. I'm sure that giving to God the tenth of my income can not lead me to hell cus its never a bad tin to give to ur God. This means that even if Tithing is right or wrong, I am save. But u that ignore giving tithe maybe because of some pastors misuse it, will be doomed, if tithing is eventually right. Because God placed a curse on it and neither Him nor Jesus condermed it.

Be Wise

My brother, the highlighted portions of your post says all about the Christianity you practice. You're a Christian, not because you love God but because of the possibilities of blessings he pours out. Hence you can boldly liken tithing to GAMBLING. I salute your honesty though because not all tithe promoters will readily admit all they are doing is kalo kalo. You're also not sure of what will save you or qualify you to be with God at the end. Brother, that is bondage. Pls be sure of what you're doing otherwise you're no better than unbelievers.

meanwhile, in the post you quoted of truthtalk, i noticed his pastor instructed him to read Deut 14:28 and Num 18:21. what happened to the start of the tithe story in Deut 14:22 and the end of Num 18? This is an example of dishonesty of a lot of pastors. It will do you and him a great deal of good if you can start the reading from Deut 14:22-29 and Num 18:21-32 to get the full gist of uses of tithe.

God bless you

Processor01: I initially got my first revelation to quit tithing sometime last year when the Holy spirit directed me to Hebrews 7 but I was too lazy to study it and ask him for deeper revelation.

After some weeks I gave into fear and revelations from my church(odozi-obodo) but i kept reading and thanks to the likes of Frosbel, Goshen, Pastor Kun. After some time of self study and prayer I took the bold step and some days I feared that I might have an accident or suffer serious losses but I began to feel this peace and boldness in place of fear.

When I finally got a mega promotion I finally concluded that the God these folks preach seems to be different from my father.

This is one of the sweetest testimonies I've heard on this issue.

God's blessings and promotions are free and can't be bought even as salvation can't be bought

God bless and sustain you my brother.

When Jesus talked about mansions in his father's house, i trust he meant dwelling places. see what he told the disciples when Peter wanted to know what their prospect was after leaving everything to follow him

Matt 19:28-29
'And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.29.And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.'

The key word there is regeneration. All we see including ourselves will be regenerated at the last. We'll have new bodies just like there'll be a new heaven but more importantly to answer your question, a new earth. This present earth shall be obliterated as Peter said in 2Peter 3:7-10. The mansions will be here on earth but a new earth.

Rev 21:1-3
'And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away: and there was no more sea.2.And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her Husband.3.And i heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold the tabernacle of God is with with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God'

This is at the end of the 7 years after the rapture. All saints would have returned to earth with the Lord after their 7 year stay with the Lord in heaven when Israel and the world faced a tribulation on earth here. The place of enjoyment and reigning will be on earth and that is when every one will receive rewards. The mansions Christ talked about are part of the rewards Paul talked about in 1Cor 3:9-15.

I do not know how the mansions or dwelling places are constituted or built so i wont speculate but i believe we'll have them.

Some say it's not physical mansions like Goshen said in his post. He might be right but this is my own interpretation of what Christ said. This is a learning opportunity and i hope God opens our eyes to what the perfect truth about this issue is. However, we must remember this particular issue has no effect on our salvation so we do not need to get worked up unnecessarily about it.

God bless us all

Elliotwiz1: the funniest thing is that there is no verse of the bible that say "thou shall not pay your tithe" search for one, if you find any, then your doctrine is right.

No wahala my bro.

I only want you to know that supporting your tithe practice on erroneous beliefs that Prophets Elijah and co received tithes is plain wrong as is also saying the apostles who were not LEVITES received tithe. If you could get those wrong, how are you sure you got every other thing right?

Since you're convinced you should tithe, i wish you well with your practice. I know i shouldn't and i dont.

let every one be persuaded in his heart

Cheers

Image123: Nothing economical about those facts; Paying/giving of tithes can be done by christians and should not be condemned. Jesus or the Holy Spirit never condemned it neither did they forget. i've also shown how some early believers observed the law and were not condemned in as much as it was not used as their medium of salvation. If any part of scripture is quoted by me, it is not to condemn anyone, but to instruct, teach, correct, exhort etc. We all have free will, its your decision to twist my post to 'stylishly' fit what you want it to state, same has been severally done to the Word of God, so i am not offended.
My main point is not that your arguments and contentions should stop, but that there should be a clear focus of what christian ministry is, and for folks to stop majoring on minors, or getting obsessed over trivialities.

No problem image. It would also be nice you tell these things to those who tell Christians that they should expect devourers because they don't tithe. Even the most visible G.O in pentecostal circles advanced this erroneous and manipulative theory in his devotional some days back.

Then tell those who threaten non tithers with hell too to stop as according to you, it is not a criteria for salvation.

You're free to tithe if you want as i'm also free not to. The underlying fact we must both agree on is that its not a Christian ritual like holy communion that i'm expected to do. We are clearly asked both by Jesus and the apostles to take communion often. Same can't be said for tithes so lets put everything in their place. Giving was clearly instructed but NO PERCENTAGE was stipulated. Pls i beg you, lets leave it that way.

Tithe was not an issue when the orthodox churches held sway because money was not their consideration. The problem started when every tom, Dickck and harry who could string some English words together decided to cash in and blew it into a business lying that they were called by God. That's what made a trivial issue burst into the limelight and until we get it right, our churches will keep bursting at the seams with droves being led into a false worship and ultimately everlasting destruction.

You agree tithing is not a requirement for salvation or an important matter. I agree with you. lets join hands and voices together to tell other Christians, our friends and even enemies

God bless you bro

iv4fb: Trying to liberate people from tithes? That's ridiculous, please liberate people from sin

Pastorkun, goshen, if you were called, go and persuade sinners to repent.

Funny enough, the atheist love ur doctrines!

Just like Kidnappers, corrupt politicians and fraudsters love the 'seed sowing' doctrine as it enables them 'cleanse' their darkened conscience.

My bro, honesty and truthfulness are attributes every human being irrespective of class, creed or religion should imbibe.

Elliotwiz1: OK,! But let it be on record that i told you what was right......you know the truth, yet you refuse to accept it because you dont like it

Even when its clearly against what is written in the bible? You also said Jesus is the head of the church but because he can't cone down to count offerings he made Peter the head. How do all these sound in your ears?

You are also insisting that the prophets of old who were clearly not levites ate tithes when this is also very clearly against the bible and you still insist I should follow your thought because you're right?

My bro. Pls go back and read your bible. At least you can be sure I didn't write it. Even if you continue tithing, it will be nice you get some clarifications on some very wrong and incorrect assumptions and beliefs you have about the word and your Christian faith

Elliotwiz1: yes, they fed on tithes...the bible tells us that the people always visited the prophets with gifts (i'm sure You'll condemn this too) like when saul was looking for samuel.....people pay tithes to the prophets, That's how the store house of God is constantly replenished.....before now, for every sin you commit, you MUST kill a ram to be cleansed, there levites did the sacrifices, but now Jesus christ came and everything has changed....The prophets are now the ones linking you...i came across a version of the bible some days ago, although i cant remember the verse right now "trust in the lord and he will establish you, believe in his prophets and you will prosper"because They're prophets of the Most High, whatever they say concerning you, (especially when you make them glad) comes to pass...

At the bolded is the confirmation you know little about tithe practice.

So in your thinking, when the widow gave Elijah food, she was paying tithe.

When the shunamite woman gave Elisha lodging, she was paying tithe.

When Saul gave Samuel 2 loaves, he was paying tithe.

When Naaman offered Elisha clothes etc, he too was paying tithe.

Fraudulent pastors have done you a great damage.

Pls go back to the bible. Don't utter the bolded verbally in public. It doesn't do you any justice

For your information, no Christian is against giving. Every responder to your posts has told you that so pls drop that blackmail.

Elliotwiz1: the levites where the said PASTORS and PROPHETS of old....that was when Jesus had not made the access to God open for everyone...in those days the pastors where the levites , now the pastors and ministers you see are the representatives or the SUBSTITUTES of the levites....dont get it twisted.

My dear its obvious you are mixing things up.

Read Num 8:5-26 to know who levites are and Num 18:21-32 to know what God apportioned to them.

Your pastors, prophets or whatever are NOT and CAN NEVER be LEVITES.

Were Elijah, Elisha, Nathan and other prophets Levites? Do you think they fed on tithes?