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that was largely a rebuke for the homosexuals i think. Wher it alekd about ladis putting on men's clothes, are you then insinuating than all ladis who do that are bisexual?

Kuns,

You are only trying to use logic to define the spiritual. You cannot. I repeat you cannot. Its just like saying you hav explanation for gravity. if you have come to accept man's proposition about gravity even when you cant seee it, and then come to defy God because you think [/b]our arguments are not logical, then you are yourself a contradition.

Jesus Christ only said that he cannot do anything except the father sent him as a result of his absolte [b]humility and his love for the Father. [/b]That was what ocassioned the exaltation of his name. Pls read [b]Phil . 2: 9.

Great is the mystery of Godliness, you can't fathom it so i am not surprised. You cannot be outside the gates of salvation and expect to know what is happening inside Zion. Come in and see fro yourself the nature of God.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=33119.msg1446758#msg1446758 date=1188468455]@cgift,

There's a 'gentleman' for you - and I hope you can understand better now. [/quote].

Th guy is a comedian. He nearly killed me with laughter.

Well, i will liek to make a final submission. Trousers, hairdo (what they call perming or whatever) are all things that are outside the gats of zion. I count them as distractions when people debate them as they are very immature teachings or children's lessons. There are greater things/lessons to extract from the world which are very much yet untapped. Thats why you see women ministers in trousers still flowing in the annointing. The child of God has better mysteriese of Christ to unravel than dwell on trousers or no trousers.

Many thanks,

m_nwankwo

i think i am okay with your submissions. How I wish someone like Kuns can meet you in person. I have not seen him on this thread. He alluded that miracles are all illusions. Someone like him i guess have closed thir minds to certain truths.

He claims he does not believe in God or the ethereal. Jesus is real.

Pls lets pardon Backslider. He would need to just help us with very useful links or scriptures to backup his claims. Thats all we need ask though he's being too raw.

Seun wants to contain God within his small head. How can?

Still waiting for you my brada!

_{oops!watching from the sidelins.}

Its only painful that there is no physical scale to measure holiness. You are probably being deceived to think that those things make you holier than others. The truth is hypocrisy is higher in such settings because people are caged.

2 Samuel 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

It represents humility. It honours God. It is a wapon. It is spiritual. Why do you think Michal was cursed when she despised David when he danced? My brother, it is spiritual and never you despise people dancing in the presence of God bacause you will be doing exactly what Michal did that attracted a curse upon her.

Dancing is a medium of expression of joy. When the bible say be sober, it does not mean you should live a without the even the slightest fun! Such a boring life. God is happy when you dance. Go and check the ancient traditions, and you would how God delighted so much in the dance of the Isrealites. The scripture is replete with such.

Swaying left to right and vice versa is even a kind of dance. Not to dance at all is to sit down uptight, no swaying while singing and be clapping. I cant even even desribe the atmosphere.

So be very careful because u might think you are knowledgeable only for you to be despising God ignorantly.

Backslider:
@Cgift

Then Will you commit murder too?

God forbid. Why will i have to? I have been told not to espcially as Christ as come to remove the complexities of the law. You are trying to impose the law on freeborns when you try to say that ladies should not wear trousers. The truth is you cannot keep the law as it is written being a mortal man. We no longer live by dos and donts. We are now in the period of grace courtesy th finishd work of Christ. You only entangle yourself when you try to live by the law.

Backslider:
Please read with the spirit of God not with you OWN WISDOM.

IF YOU WEAR A SUITE ON A TRACK SUITE Trouser ARE YOU OK?

Now, you hav tried to suite yourself by giving that illustration. The bible is not talking about styles of cloths or design here. Dont try to bring it in at all. It is simply talking about materials. Even if it is just a shirt and trouser you have worn with both made with different materials, you have broken that law! Its as simple as that.

Backslider:
Or CAN YOU WEAR AGBADA AND TUCK IN A TROUSER? THOSE COMEDIANS YOU LAUGH AT WHY DO YOU LAUGH AT THEM?

So it is not design neither was God telling them the style of clothes to wear. He was simply referring to the materials thos clothes were made of. I don't think it s a complex matter.

If you therefore cannot keep that one, why single out the other?

OLAADEGBU:
@cgift,

Thanks for your investigative skills in providing the weblinks that gives evidence to support the claims in the Holy Bible. It was enlightening and educative and I found a quote that I have been searching for to explain the point I was trying to make;

"The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying 'Thus saith the Lord;' it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin, and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration" (Charles Wesley, McDowell, Evidence That Demands a Verdict, 1990:178).

I am greatly honored.

Many thanks,

What part of the new tstament will your findings eliminate or render redundant?

shallom!

[quote author=www_pastor link=topic=65941.msg1446753#msg1446753 date=1188468379]Thank God for 1 Tim 6: 12,

Fight the good fight of faith! how? By "fighting" for your church? No! By laying hold on eternal life which is found in Christ Jesus. The good fight of faith is to deny self and sin, and work in the light. By consistently laying down our liveing for the Master.

By preaching Christ and Him crucified which is the true Gospel. Yet, you did not really answer my questio: What will it profit a man to "fight" for his "church" and suffer the loss of His own soul?[/quote]We are also told search all things and lay hold of that whoch is true. The church you are has a great influence on your chances of knowing him and consequently pleasing him. You dont please him more than you know him. I stand to be corrected.

junk man - that is what you are.

Thought you wanted to engage me concerning those posts.

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=75274.msg1446877#msg1446877 date=1188470208]I do not argue that such experience do not happen.

I need to see the person who made the claim personally and we start from there. However there are few that are truely miracles.[/quote]Thank God for your life. Can you please highlight one or two of the few that you classify as miracles? I would b mostly oblidged. Does this in anyway convince you that there are spiritual forces at work on humans?

My daughter is fairer than both me and my wife. How do you explain it?

honestly dont understand ur post?

this yet another link to the veracity of the bible. See evidence of what happened during the time of the biblical Pharoah

http://www.oceansoft2000.com/jesusisreal/RedSea.htm.

i dey wonder too.

http://www.sowhataboutjesus.com/existed.php
http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/historical-and-scientific-proof-of-jesus-faq.htm
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

The bible was not just framed like many of you think. what do you have to say about these findings? .

Deuteronomy 22:5 ¶The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
9 Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.
11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

Those who do say wearing trousers is sinful should tell us if they do not violate verse 11. How many times have you worn merged materials of different texturs together? Why keep one and throw away the other in the same chapter? That is simply hipocrisy. That's my take on this issue? If you cant keep all, dont keep one.

You need this information to advice some people that thy have strayed and need to come back hom. What church is [b]Kinky Mary [/b]for instance?

The bible says in Joshua 1: 8 that you should meditate which means 1)Reflect deeply on a subject or 2)Think intently and at length, as for spiritual purposes.

Kuns:
The false christ is the Jesus with Straight hair the one who pictures is in most bibles. For the book of Revelation 1: 14 says and I quote "14: His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; ".

You will keep on getting confused when you take texts/scriptures in your literal meanings.

Kuns:
What you are calling miracles are really illusions of the mind and the emergency powers of the human mind in effect with a little participation from your inner nature.

Illusions indeed. Attimes when on doubts the obvious people will start thinking that he is foolish. Why is that so? The obvious is not debatable. When Joshua commanded the sun to remain and stand still without going down so that they can fight the war, it would have being very foolish for anyone to try and explain that scientifically. When fire came down from heaven at the instance of Elijah, it would have been very foolish to say it is not true when people saw literal fire come down.

Likewise, when doctors confirm a terminal condition like cancer (e.g.) in one's body only after a prayer session, cancer dissappears and the same doctor confirms it, it would be foolishness and sheer headedness to say the doctors made a mistake initially. Take a trip, go and ask doctors and let them tell you myraids of cases that they could not explain scientifically throughout their careers. You will be inundated with so many miracles which has changed even the lives of many of the doctors who where hitherto atheists. I have seen blood flows afflicting someone that had being running for years stopped by the name of Jesus and all you say is "mind illusions". You perhaps have deliberately closed your mind to accept anything that defies your positions even in the face of lucid facts. The Jesus I know is more than real and presnt than present.

If you even say a little participation from my inner nature, are you referring to the divine or something spiritual? If yes, then that is a contradition on your part i think. Just go and investigate miracles you will discover that they are more than illusions.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=33119.msg1445171#msg1445171 date=1188410819]I hear. Point is that if TV01 doesn't behave, I won't take any nonsense from him. [/quote]Seems like you have the bones of a man. u can fight karate abi? TV, behave i beg b4 woman beat you o.

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=75274.msg1440787#msg1440787 date=1188320909]It means something based on case histories or personal narratives. A claim of a spiritual experience, miracle and things of similar nature is always real to the person experiencing it. What is real to the person may or may not be a fact. If it has to be accepted as a fact, it reqires investigation and must be reproducible.[/quote]There are thousands of cases like that of this lady. God still continues to confound people with his approach to things. He does not coerce. He simply encourages and most times his encouragement is turned down because of his simplicity and loving kindness.

How do you then intend to investigate this case for instance and stablish it as a fact that [b]Jesus lives [/b]and forever of course? I would lik to know.