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its either your pastors do not know how to motivate or your choir is the sleeping type or your mind is perpertually elsewhere while in church or your church environment is not good looking. There might be more anyway!

My family gts to church often plus or minus 5 minutes to service commetncement. Second service starts at 9:30am.

who cares what they say or analys in as much it is not givven any legislative backing.

Tell them this simple truth:

whether they hear God's voice confirming him or not, th success of the marraige depends largely on the two of you, i.e. man and wife. Many marraiges have collapsed despite the fact that they heard God voice not because God the voice was fake but because they were not matured enough to handl issues. All marraiges will face the test of time whether God ordained or not. Your maturity therfor comes to play.

God however has reasons for preferring one person to the other for each and every one of us. So mst important issue is:

Are you very compatible spiritually, physically, and morally, intllectually, sensually? If yes, go ahead but the be ready to fac the challenges ahead in the times of storms especially when God's grace which comes along with His perfect choice for you is not available durng those times.

Sit them down and let them think. Ask them what they would do if in th near future, the person they 'heard God's voice for that you eventually married runs you mad? What would thy say?

Kuns (Be-lie-ve me not. Check it out yourself.

No, Jehovah Elshaddai, Elyon, Shallom, Jireh, is never asleep. If anything, you must have been the one snorring or your brain decided to go on strike for one minute - when you woke up, you discovered many things had passed and then tried to blame it on God. God does not sleep my brada!

Angel girl, see:

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

What you have been bowing down to is not Mary i think; i think you should open ur mind to om study and hold fast to that which is true. You contravene God's command with all effontery in this day of open knowledge. Open ur mind a little and see for yourself. Do not continue to wallow in ignorance all bcso u wre born into it.

At a point in my life, i had to change my church because of better apprciation of the truth. Do not close your mind, nobody is crusicfying you, we are only saying you should open up a bit and simply reason with the scriptures; search it for in the WORD of God is life. You need no mediator othr than Jesus. You make the work of diminish the person of Christ everytim to go to mary to ask for her help. It is not biblical, it is demonic. Just open up a bit and reason!

pilgrim, so u were not a xtain b4? What religion wer u in and what were u doing? yearn m fast!

please write in your mother tongue, we should understand that better!

Davidlyan,

this sort of debate would have been very instructive and informative without the derogatory rmarks you guys make about one another. Address issues and not personalitis even when the othr prson seem to be threading wrongly! That will indicate maturity on your part.

amen!

Even a sango worshipper dis for his belief. That does not make sango-worshipping right! You can be persecuted for the wrong beliefs. That is what Apostle Peter cautions against. We've seen believers in other religions suffer for the faith which you will not even approve. That again does not make their faith right before God. The sufferings from the trials does not right anything with God.

i guess your post implies that th catholic church existed before the persecution started when the new Taliban came into power!

Hebrews 1:4 ¶Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

They did not know him as a separate entity (the name or man). Jesus did not exist from the beginning as Jesus but as the WORD. So to others, outside God, he was intangible. He was embedded in God. So they were not worshipping JESUS in heaven then until he was made manifest as Jesus, the Word of God now in human form.


1 Peter 1:
10 ¶Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

This is further corroboration. They themselves did not know/understand about any Jesus existing with them in heaven until he was born! So they also watched the whole drama unfold just like normal humans when Jesus started living on earth as a human, yet God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

He existed as the WORD of God in his pre-life existence but was birthed when the words was spoken into the womb of Mary - nobody had an idea of who he was. Evrybody longed, even the devil. So the devil being armed with some of the prophesies especially concrning his birth by a virgin, decided to deceive people (staring from the ancient babylonians, into worshipping an image of a 'virgin' carrying a son. This was adapted into the church (Catholics) by the romans who sought to find a way of buying over people from paganism into Catholicism. So, the worship of Mary is not biblical. It is idolatary.

I hope this satisfis your curiousity to an extent.

feelgood. Thanks for taking interest in that post. I had thought the weight of my comment was absolutely lost on someone especially as dearone's assertions nearly beclouded our minds. On the poser you raisedi shall definately gt back to you as soon as i can find time. I am currently very busy in the office. Please bar with me.

Is he a nigerian for starters?

ebos, see the metamorphosis of the image you catholics bow down to:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0040/0040_01.asp

Let me have your view after this. I am particularly interested in why you worship the image by bowing down to it. It is very explicit in

Exodus 20:4

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 [url=http://Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them]Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them[/url], nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.

You are obviously provoking God. To try to justify why you bow down wil be tantamount to trying to look for someone to drown with you. When you say we have pitures in our houses, what do you mean? Those pictures are useless as the yhave no power in them until you begin to treat as as such. Christains dont go b4 the pictures to start making rituals or bowing down. It is definately out of place.


You transfer the honour of God to an image (obviously not Mary). Are you guys afraid of approaching the throne of grace directly, Mary is no mediatrix!

You have contravened on many fronts:

1)Thou shall not make any image - You have made images.
2)Thou shall not bow - You have bowed (worshipped) and are still bowing (worshipping the image (not Mary)
3)Jesus is not an angry being, he invites you wit hlove. He is not an angry being wanting to chew you. Jesus Christ does not need Mary to appease him since he is not raging. You guys are missing out.

IDINRETE:
Ron Wyatt's discoveries have been proven to be fraud and false by eminent archeologists and even Christian biblical scholars

you need to reconsider your position on him[Ron Wyatt]

I need links please. Just some links and leave the rest thinking to me.

IDINRETE:
would you care to enlighten us on what happened during the time of biblical Pharaoh?

Ron Wyatt also did some work on that on the www.arkdiscovery.com. Hop it will be helpful.

Meanwhile, i await your links on the disproving of Ron's findings.

this might help out for those who are inquisitive.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0040/0040_01.asp

It will definately help. Lets address the issues after going through this link.

Kuns, this si not the right thread for this. We should categorise our discussions to avoid distractions mind you.

this thread wont sell. No be curse. Your argumnts are very much nonsensical. So you have not seen friends like that in today's world, so close but no gays?

I just kept laughing at home yesterday when i rememberd this. I think wordsmith should be charged for imprsonation.

Her i am. I am a Pastor but no collar!

He killed them in cold blood!

how can? hot blood is better!

My church is being led by my Pastor and his wife. They both lead but the overall leader is the Husband the G.O. I lov thir ministrations. Our mummy is a prophetess of God for that matter and backs her husbands minsitry like anything. What of that. ?

You do not wait for Jesus to waste his time on something that had been settled. Did Jesus expond that we should read the bible? So why do you read the bible if it did not come categorically from Jesus for you to do?

Again,

2 Samuel 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

It represents humility. It honours God. It is a wapon. It is spiritual. Why do you think Michal was cursed when she despised David when he danced? My brother, it is spiritual and never you despise people dancing in the presence of God bacause you will be doing exactly what Michal did that attracted a curse upon her.

Dancing is a medium of expression of joy. Of cours, you are missing something (both physically [/b]as an [b]exercise [/b]which profits the body as well as [b]spiritually [/b]since it is a form of demonstrating [b]humility) by not dancing

Na wa o! People just they cook up tori. Wish kain tin be dis?

Kuns,

I now fully understand. You have shown your true and full colour. Is that all? I now see you have sympathy for Satan (the Father of all Liars), a fallen angel who is interested in twisting the truth to topple kingdoms and thrones for his ownworship against th omnpotence of God. Where in your false scriptures do you have the account of Ezekiel 28:14+, which tells the whole world of the beginning of the travails of Satan.

It accounts where he was thrown down after attempting to overthrow God. Micheal & his angels fought and defated them and sent them packing from heaven into abyss. Ever since, he has been seeking hw to overthrown the handiwork of God, i.e. the sons of men by deceit. He has succeeded in overthrowing you but i know all hope is not lost.

Tell us the account of the fall of Satan in this scripture:

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Where can we find it in your those texts of urs that predates the bible? I will soon comment on your assertion concerning the other texts that [b]predate [/b]the bible
.

Wordsmith:
@ cgift,

dude, chill out man, i was also only dramatising Kuns mos possible answer, you really need to read in between the lines

Yae! I was in bathroom yesternight just laughing my hearts out when i remembered your impersonation of Kuns.

You know all thos be-lie-ve, [be - lie-ing to the sons and daughters of eve. I laughed and larghed under the shower. That was really funny.

On a more srious note, let Kuns and his cronies check thos sites out or we shall refer them to these sites from other thraeds.

i used to know DAVIDLAN as a defendr of xtain faith. is he not?