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Olulong:
Confirmed

But they still had creative elements in Sneijder and Robben. I don't think they have dumped their style all together but you're right that they are pragmatic.

Barryseal:
I'm talking about the old Dutch style. The real total football Johan Cryuff style, everybody is trained to be comfortable with the ball including the keeper. They dumped that style prior to 2006 world cup after they failed to qualify for 2002 Korea Japan.
In 2010 under Van marwijk, they were pragmatic with DE Jong and Van Bommel in the middle.

don't mind them. They taunted Guardiola come to epl come to epl. He now came broke all records breakable. Pep turned epl to Scottish premier league

andrewbaba44:
He jakpa from Laliga and tell me how come he dominated the epl

He has won 3 epl title With just few years in England ,how many Chelsea as a club has even won in total

Blue colour Burnley

andrewbaba44:
Same thing with your club Chelsea

You where like stoke city till Baba olowo took over

90 days ke?

jihday:
Osimhen’s surgery was a success and he’s expected to be out for 90 days

The Dutch can be rough o forget don't you remember the world cup games against Portugal (2006) and Spain (2010) when they da si rough the game?

Barryseal:
The Dutch style is pure total football. We're everybody is confortable on the ball. They rely more on technicality than physical strength and power.

Beating you left and Right you come dey lie say tiki taka. What is boring in thrashing your opponents 6-0, 5-0. You can never watch a Guardiola team and say you were bored.

andrewbaba44:
Linus mbappe like you

Guardiola Barcelona that was the most entertaining team then is that you called boring

You only stopped watching them because they use to disgrace almost all the teams they play against and you don’t want them to win

I am not saying we should play tiki taka ,but can you please stop saying it will limit our players ,what us our so called fast Wingers do without tiki taka ?

By what name again would you call Physicality, ruggedness, power play?

Amokachi had small skill, Amuneke and Siasia too. Plus to balance we had Okocha, Finidi, Kanu, Ikpeba to balance out the attributes you mentioned

forgiveness:
Where did I mention muscle and power?

Dan the Bull, Eguavoen, Iroha, Yekini, Siasia, Mutiu, Amuneke etc had all the features I mentioned earlier.

We have never played like Spain and we are not Cameroon that only rely on muscle, pace and power. A typical Nigeria team aims to win but with style and panache. We're not Cameroon or Senegal that aim to beat or crush you into submission.

forgiveness:
Exactly! We must go with what works for us.

Physicality, ruggedness, power play and speed have always been our style of play and we need a coach that can use that to our strength.

We no bi Spain.

When some of us say we play like the Dutch we are talking about attacking play from the wings, backed by a creative midfield and fullbacks who overlap occasionally. Dutch style is not necessarily tiki taka but what I would call an attractive direct style making use of skill and creativity to open up your opponents. Whereas tiki taka simply put is passing your adversary to death.

Yes we are physical and rugged but there's a lot of sublime skill and creativity in that mix. Watch Bonfere and Siasia teams then you will understand what I mean.

Barryseal:
Exactly. Our style has never been tiki taka. I laugh when people say we play like the Dutch. I don't understand that scene of illusion.
Our game have always been physical, rugged, power play and speed. Europeans and South Americans always dreed playing us because of our physicality.

It's only Nigerians that think we play like the Dutch.
South Africa, Ghana and Morroco play the closest system to tiki take or Dutch football not Nigeria.

Exactly! Amuneke is more direct in his coaching from the little I've observed in his teams.

The u17 team that is always cited in his favour they were more direct and relied on a few long balls. In Tanzania the same fast paced attacking style of play definitely not tiki taka.

Why your observation is so valid is because every coach's philosophy no matter the level of talent available to him will usually shine through. Bielsa doesn't have world class available to him in Leeds but we can see his inprint in the way they attack, move the ball and how they build from the back.

Based on our current situation realistically if he didn't have that ban on his neck I would re hire Siasia his teams play close to the way I envision Nigerian teams should play. As a manager he made a few mistakes but I think he learned from them. Just add extra technical hands like Kalika to his team and I think Samson would be able to deliver. I know people will rightly question what he achieved when he was in charge of the SE but I feel he was unlucky in some instances. Another red flag is his penchant like other Nigerian coaches to make strange invitations.

Barryseal:
You failed to address the elephant in the room. Tanzania under Amuneke didn't play to this philosophy. Alot of us watched them with keen interest during the Afcon because of Amuneke.

You can say they lacked quality players but we should have seen the blueprint of this system in their 3 games. They can loose all 3 matches, but the blueprint will be there for all to see.

Even at the U17 finals, Mali had more possession than his team.

You're putting yourself about like an obsessed Amuneke fan, nothing more nothing less.

AndSunGorilla:
Baba u no dey sample? Dat exercise dey reduce tension which helps to stay focused. Awaziem was our best defender that day.
Excess weight around the pelvic area gets shed, so the players can move faster and the muscles around the thigh area and back gets very well exercised. All in all, the enzymes that the exercise produces is second to none, brings happiness and satisfaction, and as we al l know, a satisfied and happy mind does wonders

sey that's why Iheanacho was scoring goals like no man's business against Cape Verde. Awaziem too was just giving defensive master class up and down

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Icon79:
LOL. Do you think Van Gaal will leave the Dutch national team to coach Nigeria? That’s never gonna happen.


O pari

I'm allowed to dream na

Icon79:
Actually, at best, Van Gaal has a mixed record as football club coach. And you can also include Ronald Koeman as another coach who failed at club level even he was wildly successful as a national team coach.


O pari

I fancy Louis Van Gaal actually but he can be stubbornly unpredictable. but honestly why NFF no wan give one young Dutch tactician (not seedorf) a chance?

Kog45:
This news is coming from a veteran and respected journalist Osasu Obayunwana...Omeruo,Iheanacho and Awaziem were involved...this just remind me of what happened during Afcon 2004 involving Yakubu,Babayaro and Agali having sex party and they were sent home from the camp.

If it's true then they should be suspended indefinitely to serve as a lesson to others...meaning Rohr has lost total control of the team.

Very bad if it turns out to be true. Almost think they should be dropped from the AFCON as punishment but let the new manager whoever it is decide

elyte89:
Nicolas dupuis...NICE COACH!

Just checked his profile he's just there jare you can't compare coaching underdogs to the big teams

AndSunGorilla:
It was Eguavoen, osaze used that tournament to make a big statement, Olofinjana too.

he's right it was Chukwu. Eguavoen was 2006

Sagamite:
In what way?

That is by the way, anyway. He is a certified crook at the end of the day like Ganduje.

By and large he has gotten Osun state out of the debt trap Aregbesola place them in, IGR is also up. I think he was able to attract a gold refinery to the state as well.

When you have been given a license for anything it means you have gone through the necessary evaluations and have been found qualified to practice in the field you have been given a license for.

Southgate wasn't appointed to coach England without a license so that's false.

If you meant middlesborough be clear next time and don't try to hide under ambiguity

komekn:
Your analogy is wrong .

The disparity between being a coach and a player is more symbiotic than seperate.

Southgate had zero qualifications ( coaching badges) before he was made a manager.

Coaching badges are like passing your driving test, it doesn't mean your a great driver. Just legally allowed to drive.

Finally, l admit to Nepotism with regards to Yobo.

When Siasia did it we had money whether we like it or not finance is a major issue. What you're suggesting no matter how laudable is still a case of treating the symptoms not providing the cure. So now you will be hiring national team coaches to be opening camps just because local coaches or club sides are not doing their jobs? No it won't work we need the whole system to work in tandem not one person doing everything when he's not God.

NFF need to tell our club sides the home truth it's only then that senior national team coaches will look your way. No serious coach has time to be bringing groups of green horns on a monthly basis to be teaching how to control ball, position or nodding the ball. I'm planning for an international match that can make or mar my tenure but I'm be wasting my time opening camp that won't serve any realistic purpose instead of scouting my opponents and perfecting tactics for them.

TheGoodJoe:

The question, before all these, what should we do? Fold arms and wait for the local teams and coaches to get it right?

That will be wasting precious time.

I pointed out how Siasia did it. He opened his camp two weeks earlier than normal and held a camping session for the home-based lads for two weeks before the arrival of foreign pros.

In that camping session, Siasia pointed out how much these players lack basic tactical knowledge. He even explained that when they got into the training game and many of them had forgotten a lot he taught them.

Running these kind of sessions for some years will benefit the players and the league for a while.

An idea hit me when I saw Amunike training local coaches in modern football practices and strategies. I thought of our Super Eagles coach developing a working scouting frame work for coaches from the local leagues to academies. A kind of train the trainer program to help them spot gems.

What I am saying is that there are steps to take than saying the National team coach should fold arms during breaks, watching European games and drafting lists.

Boss Joe times have changed. Clemens could afford to look inwards because we didn't have too many players doing it in Europe at the time.

Developing local talents takes time a luxury national team coaches don't have. Even Keshi that tried it how many were the back bone of his team? Oboabona (who immediately went to Europe) and Sunday Mba who had an indian summer for us at the 2013 AFCON.

talent development, scouting and training is something that our local teams should handle ordinarily. You don't need super powers of observation to scout local play grounds, street tournaments and the likes to find hidden gems it's the polishing of these gems to such a state to get the attention of national team coaches that's usually the problem.

I dare say the local coaching and scouting of talent during Westerhof's time was way better in comparison to today because the scouts were good at finding such talents plus the coaching was decent so players of natural ability were quite many in the league. So of course Clemens could pick these guys because a lot of Nigerian coaches had already done the hardwork of cleaning up those players a bit.

To solve our issues today the type of mentality our coaches have has to change. Emphasis should be placed on identifying technically skilled youngsters not just power and pace. Grassroots need serious funding to properly nurture talents. Place quota system on NPFL club side to have between 5-7 academy players be part of their squads this will push them to focus on catching and developing young talents in their locality.

TheGoodJoe:

That is why the national team can be used as an opportunity to help in the search and development of hidden special talents. Westerhof went as far as watching amature tournaments in different areas of Nigeria.

Remember a 16 years old Amokachi called up to the National team and became a gem to Nigerian football.

Because Westerhoff understood the challenges of the local scene but had a sincere belief in the potential of Nigerian football, he was able to keep searching for talents.

As long as things are so bad in local football, the footballers need all the help they can get. In the long run, it will benefit us massively.

Yeah Lookman hasn't exactly been pulling up trees with his performances lately. The wingers whose form should deservedly get them into the team are Ejuke and Dennis. M.Simon has been great for his club but absolutely dire for the SE.

I'm still holding out on Onyekuru to come good in the GWG. The little bit I saw of him against Lesotho and Benin earlier this year makes me think he has loads to offer.

TheLoneCitizen:
Brothers, Lookman has 2G+A in 12 games for Leicester. Both goals came in the Carabao Cup.

Henry also has 2G+A in 13 games, but both came in the Europa League.

You are making it sound like Lookman is having a banner campaign while Onyekuru is an Olympiacos flop.

Honestly the Old Trafford faithful should commission a statue in Dennis's honor.

What Salah, KDB and co couldn't do Emmanuel has done it

TheLoneCitizen:
BOOOOM Dennis masterclass sacks Ole Solksjaer. Official.

Don't let united fans come here and be laying curses

AndSunGorilla:
Why? Just like Rohr he has not breached the terms of his contract now.

yeah that game against Real Madrid at the Bernabau. But this is the first time I've seen some level of consistency from him. long may it last

Joebie:
All those league comparison things get as e be. But Dennis has once shown his class in big games in the Champions League.

Nawa o for Dennis playing like prime Hazard

One thing I honestly believe about Nigerian players is if they keep their head down, apply themselves and show ambition in their play even they themselves will be shocked with what they can achieve.

Bonaventure that was looking like a Belgian league reject now looking almost World class

I think Mourinho is/was a pragmatic coach. The reason why his teams scored many goals especially during the Chelsea era was due to the superior attacking talent he had plus I guess as a younger coach he wasn't averse to taking risk. I think the first el clasico were pep's barcelona thrashed his team affected his psyche that never again will he allow himself to be beaten senseless by playing open football so he retreated to playing hyper defensive safe football.

With Chelsea too the second time round he was playing good attacking soccer until Spurs showed him pepper at white hart lane. That I has made him double down that he will always go conservative against better teams but unfortunately for him the better teams are getting adept at beating park the bus teams.

Mujtahida:
I think that Mourinho played attacking football but gradually became defensive minded. Not that he's not been mindful of good defense play but that aspect seems to dominate how he sets his team up. He popularized the concept of 'parking the bus'.

But I agree with you that it's not apt to describe Mourinho as conservative but if e no change, when he's old he's likely not just to be conservative but ultra conservative like papi Rohr. For now he's defensive minded.

If we're talking about delivering (so far) on targets set for him then yes Rohr doesn't deserve to be sacked. Playing sexy football was never inserted into his contract so we can't accuse Gernot of failing based on that. Speaking strictly to the terms of his contract he absolutely doesn't deserve to be sacked.

I was team Rohr in the past because I felt with limited talent he still made us competitive especially on the African continent. The arrival of genuinely talented players in the squad was supposed to have improved our displays significantly but unfortunately it's been diminishing returns of late. The 4-4 draw at home to SL sealed it for me.

safarigirl:
Genuine question guys,

I was arguing with one fellow on Twitter yesterday who thinks that Rohr doesn't deserve to be sacked, because according to him, "He was qualifying us for tournaments without headache"


Do you guys think this is enough and he should keep his job?

Yobo is simply not qualified he doesn't have any coaching badges till this moment.

Would you allow an air hostess to pilot the plane you are flying in just because she observed how the pilots operated the aircraft for donkey years?

komekn:
You jumped without past record examination and or peer assessment to the conclusion that Yobo is INEPT, don't you think that's a bit rash

This! Egbon I'm always also curious why these geniuses are unemployed for so long when we start clamoring for them to take over. I mean if Nigerian authorities are blind and can't see their worth other countries at least in Africa should be scrambling to have their signature?

At least when we hired Keshi he was coming off the back of 2 decent national team jobs in Togo and Mali.

Kog45:
Sincerely Amuneke record as a coach damn too poor to handle eagles but talking about his tactical awareness which am not really sure of cos I can only rate him with underage team.

I remember Keshi coached Mali and qualified Togo to first ever WC before gotten Nigeria job and he did well.

My major question why is Amuneke jobless all this while...why our ex internationals always waiting for national team jobs though Amuneke started well initially by getting Tanzania job,coached in Sudan and Egypt but damn too poor of him staying out of the job for so long...why not manage any NPFL team just like what Finidi is doing presently with Enyimba.

No matter how we criticized Keshi,I still respect him for going out there to prove himself before taking Nigeria job....our local coaches should try and make something outside.I remember Amodu in South Africa,Onigbinde had a stint with Trinidad and Tobago as a technical adviser to all their football matter,Ndubuisi Egbo did well too,Mike Obiku is doing something with Feyenood youth team,Seyi Olofinjana with Wolves youth team.

It could have been credible if Emma Amuneke is handling a team even in NPFL presently.

Egbon please as the threads unofficial historian for all things SEs between 80s and 90s was Amuneke involved in any mago mago as alleged by forgiveness?

Kog45:
Rohr imminent sack is gathering momentums and a lot would be unravel regarding his contract details especially the $2m inserted clause....possibly heads may roll cos nigerians are beginning to ask why $2m inserted clause in his contract.

maybe he wasn't given necessary support.

Jokes apart it's ok to clamor for Amuneke but the hype is too much as if it's not the same man we have been observing for this past few years.

The one that even makes me laugh is how they hype his achievement at under 17 level saying how FIFA conducted ph.d thesis about his tactics forgetting that football at u17 level is a far far cry from senior professional football

charlesemeka85:
But how come many folks here Dey harp on amuneke’s success and wonders with Tanzania but never mentioned he was sacked in Sudan after just 11 matches?