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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal-Chelsea by CimonJorr(m): 12:33pm On Dec 21, 2005
Could you please provide us the link to the match report..?? huh
NYSCRe: The Compulsory One Year NYSC Program by CimonJorr(m): 4:35am On Dec 21, 2005
Stats ?? grin

Maybe you should create a thread introducing yourself.. this seems to be the fastest way for us to get to know you..

Have you contacted your school??.. where did you finish from?? huh...

Believe me..

The NYSC is all you want it to be..

If you want it to be productive, na your choice.. If you want it to be a waste of time, na your choice.. cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal-Chelsea by CimonJorr(m): 4:29am On Dec 21, 2005
Like I said...

The problem was never the ball crossing Thierry's path, nor Van Persie's attempt on goal... It was, and still remains Thierry's turning around, and advancing torewards the Chelsea post from an initial offside position.. (to seek undue advantage..)

I refer you to the match b/w Liverpool and Sao Paolo during the finals of the World Club championship for further examples on how the offside rule was utilized to devestating effect...

Bottom line, the goal did not stand, and the referees call was justified.. tongue

ps... Maybe from the referees position he had a diference of opinion from you.. but then again, can you fault the lines man also..
I think more light should be placed on FIFA, who in trying to solve one problem created more confusion with all these funny modifications to existing rules..

ps 2.. I didnt hear these complaints when Arsenal (Thierry) took that free kick "quickly" against Chelsea last year.. *maybe when it's in arsenals' favour it's ok, but when it's against them it isn't.. wink*
FoodRe: Bukateria ("Buka") Food! by CimonJorr(m): 10:39pm On Dec 20, 2005
Ajebo... grin
NYSCRe: The Compulsory One Year NYSC Program by CimonJorr(m): 10:35pm On Dec 20, 2005
hi girl..

Honestly believe your best source of info would be your school.. Unless you have someone in Abuja..

Welcome to the greatest forum on earth.. Where Naijas can be as only Nigerians can be... grin

More info about yourself please.. wink
PoliticsRe: Bayelsa State: DSP Alamieyeseigha Impeached and Arrested by CimonJorr(m): 10:14pm On Dec 20, 2005
Gentlemen..

I must remind you all at this point in time of the rules and regulations of Nairaland..

Personal attacks and abuse are not permitted.. This is non-negotiable..



On a different note..

We're all entitled to our own opinions on issues.. No matter how wrongly based or biased they are.. We are here as matured people to express our sentiments and views on a variety of issues.. In doing this, at times the discussions/agruments may become very sentimental and emotional.. very heated.. but we should not forget that first and foremost we are human beings.. And Nigerians at that.. And the hallmark of the Nigerian culture has always been self-respect and mutual respect for our fellow man..

We should please keep this foremost in our minds constantly..

We are allowed to agree to disagree (to borrow an expression from a learned friend of mine.. a "gentleman in skirts" wink)

PLEASE... Let us keep the peace.. and have fun on this fora...


Compliments of the season...

[Dispute resolution]

ps.. if any of the contributers have views they'd rather discuss directly about greviances arising from the posts so far, they should please pm me..  tongue
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal-Chelsea by CimonJorr(m): 10:03pm On Dec 20, 2005
No Bro..

Just a student of the game... wink
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal-Chelsea by CimonJorr(m): 5:57am On Dec 20, 2005
One does get tired of Arsenal fans whinging all the time..

But then again, when one has a "Whenger" as a coach, what more can you expect..?? huh  grin

Let's look at Van Persie's "goal" more critically..

Yes, Van Persie beat the marker on him, and advanced torwards the goal..

Yes, Thierry Henry was in an initial OFFSIDE Position....

Now, if the bugger had remained in one position, instead of turning around and running back torwards the goal (torwards the course of play), maybe calls for the goal to stand would be justified... [I hope we have not all forgotten he was running back from an offside position prior to Van Persie advancing torwards the goal.. Or will the arsenal fans deny this obvious truth as well?? huh]

But NO.. in the usual tradition of Arsenal always seeking the 'unfair' advantage, he turned around and advanced torwards the Chelsea goal mouth.. Hence, interfering with the course of play (and seeking an undue advantage in the process..)

Now, the above is Football 202.. for those who missed the class football 101.. (introduction to the science of soccer..  grin)

Suffice it to say that when Arsenal will finally accept that other teams at the present are better than them.. possibly.. maybe.. a true rebuilding of their team can begin.. They have talent.. but looks like the team, management, supporters, and coach are all living in delusions of past glory..  tongue



Chxta:
I think it's safe to say that three mistakes cost Arsenal the game yesterday. Two of them were blindingly obvious, one of the them was a small mistake but very costly.

Mistake 1 (very ovbious): After about 20 minutes, just after Thierry Henry had hit the post, Freddie Ljungberg played in Robin van Persie and he finished quite clinically to make it '1-0' to Arsenal. However, for some reason the linesman disallowed the goal for offside. There is no disputing the fact that Henry was offisde but he did not touch the ball, the pass was not made to him and the goal should have stood. It should have been 1-0 Arsenal but soon it was the other way around.

....snip...

What a shame!

For me there is no question that van Persie's disallowed goal was the pivotal moment. Arsenal had weathered Chelsea's early storm, Henry had hit the post a minute or two before and then they scored a perfectly good goal which meant Chelsea would have had to come out and play instead of scoring themselves and then sitting back and showing everyone - AGAIN - how strong they are defensively. It was a really poor decision by the linesman and it cost Arsenal the game. Arsene Wenger was not at all happy, making a comment that could land him in hot water with the FA. He said "We scored a regular goal but the referee made a very bad decision. I associate the referee and linesmen in the same team - the Chelsea team."

... snip..

Arsenal needed big performances from the likes of Henry and Campbell and unfortunately they didn't get it. Henry, his shot against the post apart, was really quiet while Sol continues to be a terrible worry. He was beaten to a header by Joe Cole (up there with Drogba for ugliness) [ grin huh grin huh Joe Cole... UGLY.. Now I'm really LMFAaHO grin grin grin], for God's sake, and at one point took a free kick with his left foot, skidding the ball straight to a Chelsea player. He's right footed! What the hell was he thinking? I know that Arsenal have too many kids playing and that they lack experience but it's the experience that's letting them down this season not the kids and Campbell is one of the main culprits. He never even got close to Joe Cole for Chelsea's second goal. Lots of people were talking about the duel between Drogba and Senderos but Big Phil defended like Tony Adams. He made everything difficult for Drogba and maybe he skirted the edge of yellow cards and so on [the signs of a true arsenal fan.. living in delusions..  grin grin] but he was there every single time. His tackle on Robben just at the start of the second half reminded me of Steve Bould from back in the day!

...snip...

Anyway, ...... the fact remains that Arsenal have lost 3 in a row, lost their home record, failed to score for 3 games and sit 8th in the table at Christmas time behind the obvious teams as well as Wigan, Man City and Spurs.  [At last some degree of objectivity, and can we dare say "humility" from an Arsenal fan..] Arsene Wenger says "We have to show our strength now and come back, and finish as close as possible to the top team."

Amen to that. You've got to make them show their strength though, Arsene, and you've got to bring in the new players needed in January to make you strong enough again. I am backing you against another team that throws money all over the place: Madrid! [Not likely... but then again, who knows in this sport.. the game known as football... ]
BusinessRe: National ID Card to Become Credit Card? by CimonJorr(m): 10:20pm On Dec 17, 2005
Looks like u're working for them... tongue
Nairaland GeneralRe: CimonJorr - The Saint by CimonJorr(op): 2:31pm On Dec 14, 2005
For my friends and well wishers..

My graduation will be webcast live on Thursday December 15, at 17:45 hrs, Nigerian time.. [5:45pm Nigerian time]

http://www.manchester.ac.uk/visitors/events/graduation/

You may wish to join me there for the celebrations..  grin

Thanks and God Bless..
FashionRe: Pictures - Let's move the photo thingy here by CimonJorr(m): 12:46pm On Dec 14, 2005
why don't you ever smile in your pictures..

You've got good form, and an obvious penchant for taking pictures.. Your appearance does come out as photogenic.. So, I'd dare say you're considering venturing into modelling, either consciously or subconsciously..

But I would recommend you vary your facial expressions and moods when taking pictures.. the solemn expression is nice for some, but not for all..
PoliticsRe: Bayelsa State: DSP Alamieyeseigha Impeached and Arrested by CimonJorr(m): 12:43pm On Dec 14, 2005
Some posts on this forum beat the imagination..

I wonder why I bother some times..
FashionRe: Pictures - Let's move the photo thingy here by CimonJorr(m): 5:24am On Dec 14, 2005
how tall are u?
FashionRe: Beautiful Bedroom Pictures | How You See Bedrooms? by CimonJorr(m): 6:03pm On Dec 13, 2005
A lot of houses these days don't have the space they used to... the rooms are a lot smaller.. the bedrooms are definitely no exception.. most of the houses shown in the photographs look large.. in fact, are large.. and we all aren't bill gates, or david beckhams.. the "pepper" bracket we can operate in isn't that large..

So...

What do we do?? huh huh huh
FashionRe: Beautiful Bedroom Pictures | How You See Bedrooms? by CimonJorr(m): 8:31pm On Dec 12, 2005
I repeat my earlier question..

How achievable are these bedroom designs or concepts in Nigeria ?? huh
RomanceRe: My Fiancee Can't Read, Write But She's a Gem by CimonJorr(m): 8:06pm On Dec 12, 2005
Bro..

I think you are going about this the wrong way (her education that is.. )...

If the two of you both realize and acknowledge that her being in a higher institution is a blatant waste of time, then that's not where she's suppose to be in the first place.. how did she even qualify to enter into the place in the first place.. I think you are unnecessarily placing her on a hot spot.. unnecessarily giving her undue pressure in your quest for her to "meet up" with your expectations..

If the truth be said, of what essence or relevance is someone being in a "higher institution" when the basics havent been mastered.. Your focus should be on getting her to master the basics.. Above you mentioned the money issue.. To me, that wasn't a fair assessment... If u had given her 20,000 in Naira, I'm sure she wouldn't have made the same mistake.. After all, she does go to the market to make purchases for your home doesn't she.. has she ever one day come home with a 'sad joan' story that the money was lost or that she was duped?.. Even tomatoes sellers in the market have superior arithmetic skills than a lot of 'so-called' professionals.. From the case highlighted above, it's more a case of exposure than lack of knowledge..

Let me let you in on a story..

I went to the US some years ago for a trip.. took along with me some $100 notes, for the convenience of carrying around large ammounts of cash.. Got to a shop to make a purchase, and got held up for like 20 mins while they shop attendant at the cash register was fawning.. I repeat fawning over the $100 note.. she had never seen one in her life before.. never.. would I call her bush?.. maybe.. but to me it was more a case of lack of awareness or exposure.. I was patient with her.. a lot of people may not have exercised the same degree of patience..

Point here.. I'm sure what's happening to your babe is more a case of 'lack of exposure' and 'intimidation' rather than it being a case of her being mentally non-proficient.. If you've been patient till now, its not now that the "pepper" has come to rest, that you should suddenly have these short-comings being a burden..

I believe the solution to your problem here is to take her back to the basics.. the modern term is called "home schooling", and believe me.. results abound for her to achieve, as long as she wants to achieve them.. if u put her under undue pressure, she may either crack, or adopt a lackadacical attitude to everything.. believing "what is your own self huh"..

Your first duty is to talk this out with her... make her understand everything.. your feelings, your sentiments, your expectations.. and your obligations to the relationship.. that way she'd be better positioned to see where you're coming from..
then next, you have to create an enabling environment for her to achieve the expected results.. and believe me, it's not a case of her being in a higher institution, but her being true to her self and allowing herself start studies from her true accademic level.. that way she can begin to build up her repertoire of life skills..
then next, is to give her the level of exposure you require from her... Some people learn to be posh by having a very privlidged up bringing.. some from watching TV a lot.. some from going to a polishing school.. and believe me.. polishing schools to abound everywhere.. even in Lagos, to my greatest suprise..

Lastly, but most important.. Take her to church.. I gather from some of your posts that your a Christian.. A bit of councelling for both of you, together and individually, could really make a world of difference.. and prayers too.. tongue
PoliticsRe: Bayelsa State: DSP Alamieyeseigha Impeached and Arrested by CimonJorr(m): 7:37pm On Dec 12, 2005
Me thinks some people in Nigeria would rather live with their heads up in their @$$e$ than rather face the reality of the moment..

For some people to think or believe that a legal system which is implemented all over the world was designed to fleece money from a certain country... Where is it written that someone must jump bail??.. or that someone even has to pay the bail money self.. one can always languish in the luxury of a prison cell, pending trial..

Further more, for those who also would rather adopt the "Ostrich" approach to political issues, and not face the reality that some people are actually guilty of embezzling the states they were chosen to represent.. For those who are so "short-sighted" myopic (*chei!! english hard oh.. which word I go use here wey no go sound like say I dey yab person self.. *)
well...  that lack the clarity of vision that they refuse to see that someone actually committed these crimes, instead of using blinders, and just focussing on the fact that some other ciminally inclined elements Governing some states are there yet to be touched.. Well, all I can say is shine your eyes..

A lot has been said about how selective the weeding process has been.. And I tell those such inclined to be patient.. let the body that has been constituted to investigate this do their work.. All the truth will soon come out.. It took time for the organ (EFCC) to come into existence.. I dont think it will die off like that, even if we have a new president come 2007.. Let them do their work, instead of all the noise we're hearing of others which haven't been investigated and prosecuted.. Step by step, the EFCC will do thier job, but only if we offer them the support they deserve.. And I can be bold enough to make this statement.. Even if our dear President is guilty of financial crimes, someone will expose it.. Whether we like it or not.. whether he likes it or not.. Cos that that always happens..

So, lets stop crucifying someone for having the guts to do what a lot of administrations have avoided doing before now.. and rather continue to support the fact that the guilty are being made accountable..

If we must say the truth, a lot of our current Governance are corrupt.. and this corruption extends from the top down.. all the way down.. but must we turn a blind eye.. or condem those that are brave, bold or empowered enough to pursue these people and obtain the truthhuh.. I say no.. No matter who set up the bodies responsible for procescuting these financial crimes, let them (EFCC) do their work.. Support them..

I haven't heard any noise about the man who wanted to play God who was expelled from a party, and later re-admitted into the same party.. and yet, a man who's working hard for the people he's chosen to serve is there recieving flak from left right and center..

Let us begin to call a spade a spade.. Yeah.. the truth hurts, but some times, someone has to say it..  tongue
Christianity EtcRe: Is it wrong for a couple to live together before marriage? by CimonJorr(m): 1:27am On Dec 12, 2005
Could you please translate this into clear simple english so the rest of us can understand.. your short hand is very difficult to translate... huh

Didy:
Its kind of wrong because lv kn just blow dem up&they kud do anoda fing.(didy)
FashionRe: Beautiful Bedroom Pictures | How You See Bedrooms? by CimonJorr(m): 9:01pm On Dec 09, 2005
how many of these are feasible in nigeria for the common average man.. ?? huh
PoliticsRe: Bayelsa State: DSP Alamieyeseigha Impeached and Arrested by CimonJorr(m): 6:40pm On Dec 09, 2005
Well.. this is the first step...

Next step, trial and imprisionment.. hopefully not for 6 months...

Then..

GET DARIYE ! ! ! angry
RomanceRe: [poll] Would You Prefer to Marry a Virgin? by CimonJorr(m): 6:37pm On Dec 09, 2005
texting sorry.. driving.. sorry... text driving... sorry... test driving.... ?? *what am I saying here*..

Having sex before marriage is all well and good, if that's your thing... doesn't have to inlfuence your thoughts as to marrying a virgin, or not..  rolleyes
RomanceRe: 16 year old Friend of My Brother Asking Me Out (I'm 21) by CimonJorr(m): 6:30pm On Dec 09, 2005
Intimate places??..  shocked rolleyes

Na im you no slap am??...

Girl.. to me.. maybe you didn't handle the issue in the correct way at the onset.. No one, and I repeat, no one takes such liberties without any encouragement..

Still, I'm sure you're handling your business.. one way or another.. I must agree with DMZ though.. the issue here appears to be more you than your kid brother's friend..  Are u sure you're not sending out the wrong signals..

Well, since we haven't heard from the "Mare's mouth" on any developments on this since the last time she posted, I guess it's all been sorted..  tongue cheesy



snazzydawn:
dakmannwoteva,see,I don't have your time ooo!!!what of when you have tried to be diplomatic with this kid,and he still goes ahead,even touching you in intimate places,do you still maintain that I "be his big sis"?big sis indeed.Some people are so plain ---------- rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes
RomanceRe: Wife Material But Can't Speak Good English by CimonJorr(m): 6:24pm On Dec 09, 2005
Aburo..

The first thing you can do to improve her is to talk to her.. this you have done..

To follow it up, you need to approach professionals to determine the best way to impart this knowledge to her.. for different people, and in different circumstances, different approaches to learning are required... Not every approach is suitable for every circumstance..
This is why in some instances, for example, some benefit from french teachers, some from places like Aliance France, and some from going to the French Village in Badagry... You claim to be someone of means, so this shouldn't be a problem...
Another factor is that not everyone does well in exam environments.. Or maybe the level you're approaching it from may be too high to have relevance to her needs...

After determining the proper method of instruction, and commencing in suitable programs of instruction, the next step should be IMMERSION... She has to be seeped into an environment where the language is spoken impeccably so that she'll see the need to really acquire a good command of it.. I remember as a child when my parents took me to Cotonou.. where french is obviously the "First Language".. I immediately felt handicapped even though I was currently studying the language in school at the time..  It would also serve as an encouragement or further inducement to learn things properly...

Doesn't have to be places like the US or the UK, where if I must be frank, they don't really speak that good english.. (if you feel it's a lie, just read the posts by people who claim to live in the places full time.. you'd really see that even their command of english language isn't as grand as it's supposed to be.. ).. You may consider places like Ghana, Sierra Leone, Zambia, Zimbabwe.. anywhere, where she's bound to encounter the kind of correct, polished english that you desire her to speak.. Practice makes perfect.. it's no good her learning from all the best possible sources, and at the end of the day, having no where to practice.. What does she do for a living?.. Her immediate environment has to change to achieve far reaching changes in her life.. It's no use someone learning the most polished english, and then having to do alata in the market...

Now, the above is not to scare you, but to make you understand the enormousness of the project you are about to enter into.. But the desire to change has to come from her.. Not you..  tongue


ps.. as an after thot, the simplest way to initiate all these processes, is to buy her interesting novels written in good english.. if she's an avid reader.. the themes may be anyone which stimulates her.. Fantasy, Romance, Theology or Religion, Political, whatever gets her juices flowing and makes her want more.. with time, she'll tranlate this to speech.. and hopefully written english as well..
FashionRe: Miss World 2005: Omowunmi Akinnifesi Represents Nigeria! by CimonJorr(m): 5:36pm On Dec 09, 2005
Tyra Banks has a big forehead, and I don't see any one complaining.. angry

Seun:
Is it just me, or is her forehead so big? huh
RomanceRe: My Fiancee Can't Read, Write But She's a Gem by CimonJorr(m): 3:33pm On Dec 08, 2005
like I said before.. we should all pray for wisdom... and really ask ourselves what is important..
RomanceRe: Wife Material But Can't Speak Good English by CimonJorr(m): 3:54pm On Dec 06, 2005
me thinks layi had better ask himself what exactly he wants from this girl.. in life, some things can be improved on, and others, we thank God for the fact that we can't improve on them..

remember the prayer,

Dear Lord,

Please grant me the ability to change what I can not accept...
                          the serenity to accept what I can not change...
                         
                           And the wisdom, to know the difference..

Who knows.. Maybe by the time these changes are done, you may like her no more..

Or she may "out grow" you..  tongue

Learn to accept a flower for its beauty.. with all it's imprefections and flaws...

Or better get a damn good artist.. ! ! !  grin
SportsRe: John Mikel Obi. Which Club and Why? by CimonJorr(m): 7:23am On Dec 05, 2005
...And which world-class players do you know of that spent a season at Chelsea before getting fustrated..
Trust me, as for development, there's no better place for him to be than Chelsea..

The so-called world class players you may mention (take Mateja Kezman, for example) weren't really world class.. they would prefer Chelsea play to accomodate them, rather than them changing their game to suit Chelsea [which truly world class players do...]..
Enough of the sentiment.. Arsenal fans would love Micheal (abi na Mikel) to go to Arsenal.. Man U fans would love him to go to Man U.. And Chelsea fans would love him to come to Chelsea.. the bottom line is that the young man get things sorted and start making a life of his career.. Even if na West Ham self (which has one of the best youth academy systems in the UK, having produced the likes of Frank Lampard, Joe Cole, Rio Ferdinand, etc... ). The young man need to start playing his football on the pitch, and not in the news...  tongue

ps... there's no club that doesnt have their success stories about grooming world class players, as well as their failure stories.. Just watch Football Icon to see real life case studies..


Swish:
I believe the Red Devils got space for him. It's got a history of grooming players. Not only that but with his skil and now that Keane's left, u know let him give it a shot.
Maybe he's looking at Makele retiring after a few years or the pay package or the depth of the squad that blues got...but for all i care he might not spend more than one season at stamford bridge before getting frustrated.
RomanceRe: Wife Material But Can't Speak Good English by CimonJorr(m): 7:11am On Dec 05, 2005
Dude,

Have u talked to her about it?.. What does she feel??... For all peeps who feel that english is overated, remember that that's the very language you're using to communicate in this forum... Curious that many peeps (people) who are based overseas don't consider english important, and hardly type english any better..  grin grin grin
Nairaland GeneralRe: CimonJorr - The Saint by CimonJorr(op): 10:54pm On Dec 03, 2005
I just realised it had really been a while since I'd been here last..

No particular reason for the absence from this particular thread.. 'Cos I've definitely been contributing to others.. Just haven't really had a lot of time for personal reflections.. And this is MY area.. Where I believe the focus should be on me..

A lot of people have asked about my tribe.. I've tried to make them understand that where I'm from may not have that much of a bearing on who I am.. For those that would like to know, I'm YORUBA.. Pure and Applied, as they say.. I never grew up in the west though, so my spoken yoruba definitely leaves much to be desired... I am conversational fluent in my own way though..

I know a lot of people are going to say "No Wonder" when they get this piece of information as it will either dove-tail with their pre-conceptions of me, or possibly they'll say "How canhuh"..

Truthfully, I no really send nobody.. I just try to do things my own way, and be the best person I can be...

ps.. I came across a very lovely lady recently.. And for me to comment that she's beautiful, you can imagine how hot she must be.. I've always been blessed to have relationships with babes of above average beauty.. But this one most definitely takes my breath away..

The funny thing about beautiful ladies is that they're almost always never content with themselves.. They always seem to have a need to augment what God has provided for them naturally.. Yes, I know it does take some effort for some babes to become better.. more sexy.. more attractive or appealing.. but if the truth be said, there is really no substitute for natural beauty..

There hardly replaces the look of a babe just bursting through the water in a swimming pool.. with all of her make up off.. her face full of smiles.. and all that's left is just her natural beauty...

God.. I'm in TROUBLE.... rolleyes
PoliticsRe: Bayelsa State Governor Escapes from London, UK (Now in Nigeria!) by CimonJorr(m): 12:58pm On Dec 01, 2005
WORD ! ! ! ! ! grin grin grin grin grin

kenflavor:
I guess tired of your not seeing things the way they all see things.
otokx:
where is everyone, abi are you guys already tired?
RomanceRe: 16 year old Friend of My Brother Asking Me Out (I'm 21) by CimonJorr(m): 10:41am On Nov 30, 2005
Girl..

Do you want the advice of an "Alagba" ?? huh huh

You'd better grow up yourself and behave like the adult in this situation..

How old are you?.. 21 shey?... And you're allowing yourself to be intimidated by a 16yr old.. The next thing you'll be proclaiming is that you're "matured".. An "adult".. So, you'd better sit down and behave like one...

It's clear you don't have feelings for this young man.. Your best option is to sit him down, and explain to him simply.. in clear english.. why you won't and can't date him.. for whatever the reasons are (you know best what they are anyways.. you still haven't said anything aside from his age being an issue)..
This is not a matter for huffing and puffing, nor shouting for that matter.. Make sure there are plenty of people in the house (for security), but that you have your own privacy (to keep his dignity intact, cos whether you like it or not, boys at that age can be quite impulsive, and don't like embarrasment.. we don't want this to degenerate to what you won't like...)

I'm sure that at your current age of 21, you should have some degree of experience in matters of the heart (relationships), and would certaintly know how to pass you message across without causing damage (hurting peoples feelings...)..

Unless you're not the adult you claim to be..  tongue

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