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Yes...

I do respect the fact that we are all individuals... And that we all make different choices which affect and influence our lives/lifestyles... And I respectfully believe that we are all accountable to God at the end of our lives here on earth, where we will all give account of ourselves..

michelin89:
i know you aren't supporting my choice rather than the fact that you respect it!

@ Michelin89

I actually took time to go to your personal blog and try to understand ur motivations for being an aethist...
Funnily enough I saw that you did actually go to church at some time in your life but (maybe as an exercise of free-will) later chose to stop..

I'm not supporting your choice to stop worshiping God... However I do not condone when people try to bludgeon others into a particular way of thinking or belief..

I do hope, with time as you grow older, you will see the good things God has done for you in your life, and you will make the choice again to start going to church..

michelin89:
thank you a lot my supporters! of course i believe in something: good and bad! a man has two parts in him the good and the bad and it's his choice to make one prevail  on the other. if there are other things that influence our being i don't think they are strange spiritual forces but people we live with! a good apple sorrunded by bad apple will also become  a bad apple, but a good apple sorrounded by good apples will maintain its goodness.

neryn cimonjorr

People should leave Michelin89 alone..
If the person's choice is to be an aethist.. so be it (not everyone is a Christian)..

we shoud be praying for a spiritual revelation in the person's life... for enlightenment and upliftment..

Even if u want to convert her/him, nothing is gained by being confrontational..
Christianity is a religion of free-will.. not one of "By Force"..

chum:
Michelin89 I want to believe you are joking,
if not, i think i will have a problem with you
else you will have to rephrase your words, plz
am not trying to take it personal, NduGod has said it all
"God is God"

@ IAH..

Babe...

What defines a "Church"... but by being a body of believers..

The mere fact that u gather with one or more believers to fellowship simply means that u are forming ur own "Church" for that purpose..

We shouldnt hold on too rigidly to definitions..

People migrate from church to church seeking the face of GOD in their lives.. Sometimes, a particular church doctrine may not agree with you.. The bottom line is to study His WORD carefully, and understand it..
Your spirit will direct u as to the best place for ur spiritual development.. but to grow spirutually, u do need to be with believers who would encourage u, and put you right when u're wrong.. they also provide a means of support through dificult times, especially through shared experiences (testimony)..

Follow ur heart directed by the Spirit and the WORD ...

Have you also looked at the religious bias of both countries you are talking about.. I believe that also has a lot of weight in the points you're trying to make..

Regarding your views about your relationship with your girlfriend.. do you really trust her??.. because you believing that it'll be easier for her to cheat on you had no bearing to whether or not she's a virgin .. whether or not she's had pre-marital sex... that's an issue of trust..

elpaso:
ok. im just saying that, if i knew this would hurt me ( the fact that shes been with other guys,) . i wished i didnt loose my virginity in the 1st place, so that it would be fair. sometimes i feel like a woman which lost her virginity before with another man,,,i feel like shes easier to cheat on me. i will put the facts straight. in the uk theres a high percentage of divorcions - most of them guys and women cheat each other. most of these had pre marital sex! while in Cyprus theres less divorcions. less and less cheating.this country population is relatively having sex after marriage . whats the cause?

You must be young... your views are very idyllic... 

snowsdream:
i will prefer the guy that does not believe in pre-marrital sex, because that is just the best thing to do. I will always cherish him and love him for the rest of his life. It is hardly heard of that a man has that type of goal. He should be a genuis and he will be the best. He will not be prone to any sexual Disease and he can not be compared to the other man who believes in premarital sex.

the Messiah..... ??

drbigdaddyg:
@Cimonjorr
Is only the caring that 'll be after the welfare of his nation (welfare in the sense that, he doesn't want the image of his nation to be tarnished). In otherwords, you can see I have great concern for this morally bereaved country. What i want is that the country be pampered through till I emerge the President come one day. Then, I shall carefully purge the country of her stains, bring her up to a role model of all these countries you feel have arrived.
Or do we destroy ourselves before the Messiah comes?

NEW DEVELOPMENTS... FYI...

For those interested...

Alamieyeseigha: How FG Foiled The Bail Bid.... FROM TUNDE OYEDOYIN, LONDON 
http://www.guardiannewsngr.com/news/article02

to what end??

Rather I would have you realise that when kids get to that rebellious age, they generally want to do anything to show that they have the capacity to act as adults and generally take charge of certain aspects of thier lives..

they manifest this in different ways.. some turn to wierd practices like body piercings and wierd unconformal dressing.. others to alcohol and drugs.. and some experiment with alternate sexual persuasions..

Most if not all kids go through this period.. even back home in sweet Nigeria, where arguments and fights regularly break out between parents (trying to assert thier authority) and their teenage kids (rebelling against this as they percieve that their parents dont treat them as 'adults')...

allonym:
I wouldn't say most people said they were shown their true tendencies by others - more likely someone encouraged them to not be ashamed of how they feel.

If homosexuality is a learned behavior, then how exactly did it arise? You would have me believe that there are homosexual cults which while kids are away from their heterosexual parents snare them in and show them how much fun homosexual sex is and this happens so much that the kid begins to think it is ok?
Its like you're saying there is some great conspiracy that manages to suck children in while they are away from other authority.

I'm sure the "party" comment above was an attempt at humor.. but on a different note, children do learn their habits, tendencies and values from their parents.. At a more matured age, they then learn to form their own opinions.. usually based on modification of their initial views modified by additional knowledge they pick up along the way.. how radical a change their views undergo is usually determined by the strength and degree of knowledge they have access to..

I am yet to find information which suggests or indicates that homosexuality is not a learned behaviour.. Most people who have been vocal about their crossing over have claimed that they were shown their true tendencies and sexual orientation by others who have already chosen that path.. (You can read through other posts on this subject here in Nairaland for statements on the above.. may not be regarded as scientific fact, but definitely is personal accounts and testimony.. )

I must appologise here for getting your feathers ruffled.. Not my intention...

I was only trying to highlight an example, and it was the only one which immediately came to mind..

However, that was what the Hitler fellow was trying to 'sell' at that time.. and his arguments were based on genetics (or the interpretation of genetics given to him by his scientists at that time...)
(I've watched numerous documentaries on the second world war to know that this was the main thrust of their arguments.. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, that was their basis for scientific fact.. )

Anyways, once again, I appologise.. Hope no offense taken.. 

nferyn:
Don't even think about bringing Hitler into the discussion. It is a meaningless appeal to emotion. I can pick this argument apart untill there's only dust left. PLease let it rest before this discussion ends up less civilised

[quote author=CimonJorr link=topic=2510.msg94398#msg94398 date=1130913875]Adolf Hitler tried to espouse theories along similar lines.. [the superiority of a certain race as a result of their genetic superiority].. the world has proved him wrong today.. (the last comment is not meant in any derisory way, but just to highlight the flaws in such an approach to construing the problem of genetics being a pre-cusor to ones actions)..

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Which crimes do you then consider major crimes then?? [Crimes to which your recomendation for punishment would then be appropriate...]

I was of the distinct impression that in most places, for someone to commit murder, or other crimes of a most henious nature, that that would constitute the kind of crime that capital punishments like execution or life imprisonment would be prescribed... And to me, these are the kind of crimes which worry Joe Public.. If he's so scared that he can't walk on the street home at night, or live in his house without being scared, then it would be of most relevance to him.. We here of numerous muggings on the street.. People having their homes broken into and then having female members of the house-hold being raped while men are made to watch.. these are not crimes committed by people with anti-social personality disorders, but by the everyday people, most likely high on cheap drugs (sometimes not...)

If such people, who come across during trials as sane and reasonable, are made to understand that similar punishments await them on conviction, then they'd be less inclined to commit such..

nferyn:
Then you're not talking about the type of crimes that could possibly justify capital punishment. What scares Joe public is irrelevant in this case, although it certainly is relevant for [i]small [/i]crimes .

And the solid data is?

If the gender was reversed, would your sentiments remain the same?? ...

nferyn:
@CimonJorr
That's your choice. I am just expressing what I would do if I were a woman.
And it's not coming out of anger, a man who forgets his girlfriend's birthday, especially when they're still dating, doesn't have his priorities straight. He would need to have a very good excuse

If and when the SH!T hits the fan, please let us know.. 

I think R. Kelly recently released a track on this same topic.. 

All my "girlfriends" forgot my birthday [Oct 22.]...

Does that mean I should drop all of them on the spot...

In life, such things happen.. they should move on.. and look for another opportunity to celebrate.. Nothing positive is gained out of anger..

Interesting issue..

Let me look at this from two different angles..

From the second perspective..
People engage in sexual activity to have "fun".. Some times, having a child (procreation) isn't really the intended end-product of such activity.. And sometimes, circumstances lead to children willingly produced by their parents being left with no one to cater to their needs.. so from this perspective, anyone capable of showing them love, and raising them up to have a stable life should be looked upon as a blessing to their lives..

Now from the first perspective..
When couples engage in sexual activity, with the part of the aim being wanting to have children, they are usually equiped for such tasks.. By the very definition of "homo"-sexuality, such people are not equiped for the task of having children.. Now this might not have bearing on their ability to raise children.. but if the world were populated by just homosexuals, the world population would die off in a matter of a few centuries (or less).. They would ordinarily not be able to reproduce becos they can not.. it's as simple as that.. [Just a matter for thot...]

Now, someone has mentioned that heterosexual couples have demonstrated the ability to produce homosexual ofspring.. very true..
However, the likelyhood of a homosexual couple being able to raise a heterosexual child is to me quite remote.. children being what they are accept whatever environment they are subjected to at infancy as normal.. they are most likely to emulate what they see/hear/observe/experience as the normal way of doing things.. in this way, till they become old enough to reason for themselves and apply their own judgement in making their life's choices, being raised in such an environment would only pre-dispose them to developing a homosexual inclination.. biasing their orientation.. at least in the case of heterosexual couples, when their ofspring make the decision to switch to a homosexual orientation, it is usually done at a point in their lives when they are old enough to make their own choices, after having been raised to know the difference.. I feel that this would not be the case in a homosexual family environment..

My sentiments... 

I must appologise here, but I still do not agree with this statement or premise, because it only leads to re-inforce the presumption that people do not have free will to make certain choices.. I still subscribe to behaviour, and the boundaries thereof, being a consequence of environment and/or circumstances..

In life, we all have the ability to exert our free-will, that's what makes us the higher species of the animal kingdom.. By trying to assert that one's behaviour is a determinant of one's genetic make-up, we tend to allege that one becomes pre-disposed towards certain behaviour and actions as a result of one's genetics.. This now removes free-will from the equation.. This is not the case, we choose to commit a crime or not... we choose to take a life or not.. it is not a compulsion as a result of one's genetics..

Adolf Hitler tried to espouse theories along similar lines.. [the superiority of a certain race as a result of their genetic superiority].. the world has proved him wrong today.. (the last comment is not meant in any derisory way, but just to highlight the flaws in such an approach to construing the problem of genetics being a pre-cusor to ones actions)..

All in all, I believe that only fear of experiencing a similar fate as one's victims would be the only way to check one's actions and behaviours in society.. And I'm not referring to the extreme hopeless cases of deviancy like the "Anti-Social Personality Dis-order" mentioned earlier, but crimes committed by Joe Public, who he feels he can get away with...

nferyn:
Actually, I'm not talking about people who we feel are supremely deviant, but rather people who have committed a horrible crime. Big difference.
Let's get back to my argument. The boundaries of behaviour are determined by genetical factors. the exact expression thereof is mainly influenced by the environment. This differentiates rates of behaviour across societies and shows which policies are successful. As long as you do not tackle the ultimate determining factor in behaviour (genetics), you cannot possibly [i]solve [/i]the problem, you can only contain it

And, all in all, chemical castration is a less drastic and more humane solution than capital punishment.

You last statement does not logically follow from your previous arguments, so whether or not you're willing to help create it is irrelevant as long as you have not established your last statement

You know what... topics like this make me laff...

Everyone here says that sex before marrige isn't right.. that it's not important to the relationship... that it's a sign that the guy's only interest is in just one thing (on his one-track mind).. that this.. that that.. [pertinent to note that all these comments are coming from the female folk, and from the male-virgins in the house..]

Sorry to deviate here (admin pls no vex...  ), but what would you guys and girls say to a guy who doesn't have or infrequently has sex with his partner after marrige.. after all, if it wasn't a priority before marrige, why would or should it suddenly become a priority after marrige.. after all, its not the main focus of the relationship, etc, etc...

I can assure you guys of one thing.. there's no manner of abuse that that fellow would not suffer.. from being labelled impotent, to being called a homosexual, to being called weak.. or having numerous women outside the matrimonial home, etc etc...

But do you guys and ladies expect the focus to change over night, as soon as the words "I do" have been said, and the lady is wearing the man's wedding ring on his finger?? the honest truth is "NO"... Old habits die hard.. and tendencies and inclinations too.. for a couple not used to the physical aspects of a relationship before marrige, there won't be an automatic change-over afterwards..

And to bear me out of this, I want to recall a discussion I had witha  friend of mine  a couple of weeks ago.. she was telling me of how she had to become resourceful in thinking of new ways for her to avoid having sex with her husband.. from the classic "honey, I have a head ache" or "honey, it's been a long and hard day".. to the new one.. she just gets home and forms quarrel, so that all man would hold their end of the bed that night..  [ shakes my head..].. the truth is that I know she loves her husband.. but she just doesn't see the point or need for constant sexual liasons with her husband.. not like the guy pesters her for it everyday... and not that they are wanting children.. 'cos they have a beautiful baby..

Food for thot...

@ allonym...

I can see where you're coming from.. you've thrown a new twist into this.. as in, not only punishing the offender, but in addition making sure that like-offenders are not made in future..

But I still believe that these offenders are not genetically made that way, but rather are products of environmental factors and circumstance.. I do not believe ones genes pre-dispose one to commit crimes... So, going to the extent of saying that preventing such people having progeny would act as a form of punishment, to me doenst really cut it as per adequate punishment..

To me, such people should be tortured, repeatedly... and make to suffer, prior to being put to death.. But our "civil society" would frown on such attitudes as barbaric..

Life imprisonment to me would not be adequate as a form of punishment.. cos in the final analysis, the victim is "dead", and the offender has his/her life... Life imprisonment assumes that such people can be reformed after a considerable period of time.. FOr some crimes, reform in not the answer, but accountablility for their actions and crimes..

Books can't teach you everything... they can only describe to the best of the authors abilities.. even video tapes (which weren't made by virgins ) can only show you what you're supposed to know..

Only through constant practice can one attain perfection at any endeavour..

Seun:
Sweetnini: You can't have a world class expert as a husband and expect him not to want to try out his skills on other women. You cannot eat your cake and have it. Even if your wedding eve experience is not perfect, you still have many years in which you both can improve together and become experts together without having to share your man with other women!

Having said that, there are books from which your virgin husband can learn the 'skills'; there are books for everything these days! And if you're a virgin bride, then you're supposed to read those books too!

there's nothing wrong with the length.. trust me..

ok... let's look 'through' layi's question...

Everywhere else in the world, wherever terrorist attacks have occured[sept 11, July 7, the Spanish train bombing, the Lokerbie jet bombing,etc etc], they've been known to happen in broad day light under the most beautiful of weather conditions, where everyone would ordinarily have been having a good day out.. they target public places where their activities can draw the most attention.. even when we had hijackers hijack the nigerian flight some years ago, they did it during broad daylight when the world was sure to be watching..

These louts want us to believe that they only waited for the most convenient "big weather storm" to come before comencing their activities.. Or they commandeered the weather storm to come in Or what

It is prudent to recognise that the already mentioned terrorist attacks were by organisations already in existence, and not by one formed after the fact.. since we have neither heard of COMA prior to this incident, nor of their activities or affiliations..

So, who's fooling whom?...

It's not Tyra.. Tyra's bust is bigger...