₦airaland Forum

Joagbaje:
I dont know why I should be shocked by the myopic view of an ignorant man.even though he has I good sincere heart. Those who like to criticise the ministry of others should learn to ask themselves "what if I'm wrong in my judgement"? . They should find out the reasons why others do what they do. Supposing you are ignorant of the principles and revelation by which they do what they do? . Have you found out from them to know their passion and convictions?. Supposing they were once like you, and probably passed through the phase you're passing now. Supposing they have ,more information which you lack. Wise man will ask questions about others first than judging them by assumption.

I heard criticisms, from the pulpit, of the ministry of others many times while I was in CE. They were normally prefixed by the phrase "I'm not being critical, BUT. . . "

Poster, while I believe in spiritual gifts, I'm also aware that many people use such spiritual stories to manipulate others.

If you are a man of faith yourself, then this same prophecy would have been revealed to you. This is not the old testament where God chose ONE person to be His prophet.

If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't believe a word of it.

newmi:
do you believe that era of signs, wonders and supernatural demonstrations of the power of God through the preaching of the gospel is still as alive and operative even today?

How does your question address any of the things I wrote above?

Do you believe that per Matthew 24:24, there are people trying to deceive the very elect by performing great signs and wonders?

My flight to Boston cancelled.

Brother in NY and cousin in NJ evacuated.

It's questions like these that make me think the traditional rule book of male/female relationships should just be ripped up and re-written in its entirety.

As it is, each side is just looking to re-write tradition in order to gain an advantage for their own sex.

In my opinion, there's no difference between a man wanting an engagement gift, and a woman wanting to keep her own last name after marriage. Both are contrary to traditional norms. Having said that, tradition is a function of time and is therefore subject to change. Some of these "traditions" are even imported.

They key thing is to look at these male/female traditions in their entirety, and based on the direction society is moving, instead of just trying to pick and choose the ones that give our own sex an advantage.

NemekGee:
I understand that NTA needed the permission of the presidency to broadcast it. Why would any nation want to expose its insecurity / flaws to the rest of the world. I am sure the BBC didnt broadcast everything about the london riots.

NTA needed the permission of the presidency to broadcast that there was a bomb blast in Abuja?

If the aim is to prevent the exposure of Nigeria's insecurity/flaws, why shackle the local reporting (NTA) and not international reporting (BBC).

newmi:
Sure you are right they don't but when they do it is important they see for this simple reason
1 Corinthians 2:4-5
"And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God."

If you read carefully from the beginning of 1 Corinthians 1, you'll see that the power that Paul was talking about is in the cross of Christ i.e. His death and ressurection.

Still on 1 Corinthians 1, if you look at verses 17 and 18 you'll see him referring to the power in the MESSAGE of the cross as being the power of God required for salvation.

If you look further at verse 22, you'll actually see him chastising the Jews for "demanding signs", instead of focussing on when "we preach Christ crucified".

Those that carry on seeking signs and wonders are setting themselves up for what was predicted in Matthew 24:24 below.

Matthew 24:24
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [b][/b]

newmi:
Magic will remain what it is "MAGIC" that doesn't change the reality of the power of God available to Christianity

and tricks will remain tricks.

I don't doubt the power of God. I however, doubt those who are so keen that this power of God flows through them that they stage tricks like the above. I was at the meeting with Pastor Chris and I didn't believe it for one second. It's an example of why I'm no longer in C.E. God doesn't need people to pull tricks on His behalf.

newmi:
When l posted my first video some people said well its a show, others said oh well its Pastor Chris and its preplanned.
Well here is another video and guess what its not Pastor Chris but still God is not a respecter of persons Jesus is the same in Nigeria as much as He is in Zimbabwe and the same shadow demonstration of the power of Christ by a man of God. How many more videos will convince you anyway that why l have openned this thread it is a celebration of the power of Christ in Christianity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsvbH9k1DLw?t=1m20s

On the basis of your argument, the video above should further confirm your story right?
Magicians stage even more astounding tricks on a regular basis. Should people start believing in their power as well?

People don't need such dramatics to believe in Christ.

The way I keep hearing about how some women call the cops (unnecessarily), maybe they should increase their taxes to pay for all the call-outs. The police must be tired of attending Nigerian domestic issues by now.

I once read an estimate that said 10% of all Christians' annual global income is >$1trn, and this figure is more than enough to end global poverty.

That is why all the custodians of the funds that Christians give should search their hearts to determine whether they are using the funds available to them in a way that God would approve.

Everybody missed the poster's tongue firmly in his cheek.

He was joking and implying that you can't find 50 beautiful women, old enough to marry, who are still virgins!

I think it's a bit unfair to criticize the poster.

It is well known in Nigeria that many rail tracks are not in use. In such cases, the reaonable thing to do before crossing is to check that the way is clear. The fact that the car in front stopped was a bit unlucky. One can argue that the poster could have anticipated such an event, but still, I believe this incident can happen to anyone.

Someone mentioned the U.K. At every rail crossing I've driven across in the U.K., there's a barrier that comes down, a red light flashes and a warning bell sounds when a train is near. It can take a few minutes before the train actually comes.

Basically, it is made abundantly clear that the tracks are in use, and what motorists need to do.

I commend the poster for putting the story up here because it will serve as a wake up call. Not necessarily to avoid police harrassment, but so that people are aware that even decrepit looking tracks may be in use and that they should take extra extra care, especially in the absence of warning signals or any clear instructions.

newmi:
Well for starters l am not in support of Joagbaje because statement that the church is not a charity organization for is one l am yet to satisfactorily investigate and study on but be that as it may though at least l know that the bible from the Gospels to the Epistles reveals to us what we could conveniently call the primary duties of the church.

And perhaps l should mention this; the primary responsibility of a Pastor is not really what most people think it is but the scripture below provides us a clue as to what that responsibility is:

Acts 6:1-4
1 ¶ And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.

True they ought not to leave the word of God and serve tables, but they considered the task important enough to delegate it to able men within the church.

This post is talking about what the church should do regarding charity and not just what pastors should do. Within a church are pastors, deacons, ushers etc all with important roles to play.

So it's really not by the number of "miracles", or jets, church members, or cash at bank and in hand, or people falling down from the "man of God's" shadow etc

Joagbaje:


very funny. my own concern is how people will just come out with some dumb statistic. how did they know the budget of a church with regards to publicity. its mere malicious assumption.

The statistics aren't actually dumb. It's really just a breakdown of advertising spending by sector.

It does not make any comment about the budget of any church, and it's unlikely that its intent was malicious since it was looking at all sectors.

However, that doesn't mean that people won't take extracts from the statistics and use them in whatever way they want.

N2bn is not 14% N98bn.

The total from all the categories listed was N13.4bn, and N2bn is approx 15% of this.

Joagbaje:
besides the church s not a charity organisation. The primary calling of the church is the preaching of the gospel. yet many churches still go out of their way to reach out to the less priviledge and supporting them. you dont know what every church is doing. everything is not publicised.

Would you say that the church, being the body of Christ, and being made up of individuals who follow the teachings of Christ is "going out of its way to reach out to the less priviledge (sic)"?

Given the many teachings in the Bible on love/charity, giving to the poor etc, do you consider reaching out to the less privileged to be out of the way of the church, such that it has to go out of its way to do it?

Joagbaje:
I love the scripture you quoted . That's a demonstration of the spirit. I was in that powerful meeting 2004. Were you there?

I was in this meeting as well, although since I am no longer in CEC my opinion of what I think actually happened won't matter to you guys.

EFCC is working with very blunt tools as the legislative framework is not strong enough.

philip0906:
no mind d murrafuckas. . .like i said earlier on,It logically means that every business or non profit organisations should report to the efcc transactions that run into million or thousands

For example, U.K. legislation actually places the burden on certain businesses including high value dealers (e.g. cars, expensive jewellery etc) to report suspicious transactions, including any cash transactions above a certain thershold.

It gives directives on how to treat politically exposed persons. There are a host of other things, but the legislation is long. It doesn't appear to deal with not for profit organisations, but presumably this is because these are well covered by the Charities Commission and HMRC tax rules.

The point I'm trying to make is that proper legislation places certain reporting obligations on organisations that are susceptible to receiving large proceeds of crime. It would not hurt if our legislators bear this in mind when enacting laws.

EFCC don't seem to have the appropriate legislative backing, which is why they are left with making toothless appeals like the one in this post.

Perhaps when laws like the U.K.'s Proceeds of Crime Act come into play in Nigeria, then people and organisations in general will be a bit more curious about the dubious sources of the money they receive.

While I commend the motive behind what EFCC are trying to do, it's clearly not going to work.

Firstly, the expectation in these churches is that people can be miraculously blessed. This is the message from the main men in the churches. For these same men to start questioning the sources when such "miraculous blessings" occur is very unlikely.

Secondly, if it's money laundering that they want to prevent, then appealing to the churches is no good. For money laundering to happen, the church (or certain people within it) have to connive with the money launderers to pull it off.
Also, money laundering through the church actually means that a person tries to place dirty money into the church and then retrieve a large % of it as clean money. I'm not aware that church members are able to extract funds from churches.

EFCC should use the methods used by tax agencies in the developed world. This involves matching a person's lifestlye and assets to their known sources of income. E.g. a person known to be in a modest pay grade but who has bought like 10 houses should attract further attention.

The difficulty is always in being able to match a person to their assets since a lot of looters use proxies.


I don't envy EFCC. Their job is not easy.

Capitalism is not the cause of Nigeria's problem, and Communism is DEFINITELY NOT the solution.

A system is only as good as the people that run it.

Hiring members of their families got a number of MP's in the U.K. into some trouble during the expenses scandal. They couldn't justify some of the salaries they paid their wives and sons and now there are stricter rules around hiring family members.

I think the same should apply in Nigeria because such a lax system is very easy to abuse.


On a related note, the cost of governance in Nigeria is way too high. If each governor has 21 special advisers and with 36 states, then you've got 756 speciak advisers that need to be paid salaries and allowances every month.

If a governor can select a cabinet with commissioners taking their portfolios, why the need for so many additional special advisers, including a special adviser on special duties. On the face of it, it just looks like "jobs for the boys".

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Second point is about the pictures. As i dey look ham, the first pics is suppose to be from the wedding day, right? And she claim they got married in 2006, right? And we all get eyes here, right? Okay, now look closely, the first and the 3rd pictures are suppose to be from the same day, right? But the date on the third pics says 08/2/2011 which is exactly the same date on the second pics. So meaning, the 3 pictures were taken the same day.

The above quote was from playboy19.

The thing to point out is that as well as the dates on the 1st and 3rd pictures being the same, the times are only 3 minutes apart. It's impractical for those 2 scenarios to be set up within 3 minutes of each other. It is clear that the date and time on there do not reflect when the pictures were taken. It was probably a case of someone using a digital camera to take a picture of another picture so they could put it online. Perhaps they didn't have a scanner.

I feel for the Evelyn woman.

This story highlights some deep rooted problems in our cultural and societal institutions. It's only in places where the legal system is bad (and the cultural norm is to frown on separated/divorced women) that a man can brazenly cheat on his wife and then be the one to threaten to throw her out while announcing that someone else is pregnant for him.

rhymz:
This explanation completely ignores
the fact that when the government
“borrows” money from the Central
Bank that’s exactly what it does. It
creates the money out of thin air and
gives it to the government to spend in
exchange for Government debt (i.e.
IOU’s).
Not only that, but through the process
of fractional reserve banking private
banks use the Central Bank’s “new
money” as the basis for increasing the
money supply by an additional 1,000%
(10X) through private lending.
Adding insult to injury, not only does
the current system multiply the
inflationary impact of government
deficit spending (10X as much as if the
government had simply been honest
and printed the money itself), but it
also requires the government to levy
additional taxes on our children to
“repay” the principal and interest on
the original “loan”.
The fact is, if the government cut out
the middleman and used seignorage
(i.e. the government’s power to levy an
indirect tax on its citizens by simply
printing more money) we would all be
much better off (at the expense of the
bankers).

I'm not sure that the bolded part is correct. Usually, when governments borrow money internally, they do so by selling government bonds to the public. The Central Bank may be the institution that facilitates this sale of government bonds - I don't think they create the money out of thin air.

I don't really understand the rest of the post hence my questions below:

How do private banks lay their hands on the Central Bank's "new money"?

What is this "new money"? Do you mean that (based on your description) the Central Bank creates new money to lend to the government and then also creates new money to lend to private banks?

How exactly does private lending increase money supply by 1000%? (My understanding is that private lending increases the velocity of money - the rate at which money changes hands - but doesn't increase the money supply itself.)

It is a fact that there are many areas that require development in Nigeria: Power, Education, Legal system etc.

However, CORRUPTION is the number one thing that needs to be addressed (and it can be done in tandem with the above). The level of corruption in Nigeria makes trying to run that country akin to fetching water with a seriously leaking bucket. It can only lead to frustration.

Any leader that doesn't have a zero-tolerance attitude to corruption is not yet serious.

THE AMAKA:
[size=18pt]ITS OBVIOUS THAT THE FOLKS TALKING DO NOT EVEN WATCH THE SHOW. THEY COME FROM NOWHERE AND OPEN THEIR FILTHY MOUTHS.[/size]
I'll admit, in the beginning, I couldn't stand her. I thought it was a trick so that Naija couldn't win this season (and i still, to this day, believe it was) but with Karen's AWESOME personality, she prevailed over the rest. the majority of the countries that voted for her are the countries that have been loyal to her from day one, so no surprise there.

Wendall won because folks voted based on country sentiments. all the countries he won are[b] heavily populated with Whites [/b] (and since the white folks have all the money) they control the majority of the votes.

looking at it, I was already kinda sure that Luclay would lose, but I didn't wanna believe it. even if Sharon O won over Wendall, I would be happy. It really does suck that someone that brought NOTHING to the show wins $200k.
the conspiracies that he was sent by Mugabe (after the controversy from last season) is really heating up now.

CONGRATS KAREN!!!!
how the hell did Nigerians "intimidate" other Africans? you've got to be kidding me. STOP HATING JO! and Nigeria is counted as ONE VOTE just as every other country.

Don't really know much about the show or the voting, just thought I'd correct the notion of a heavily white populated country in Africa. 2 of the most prominent white populated countries in Africa still only have the % of whites in the single digits.

This isn't casting any doubt on your theory about how voting went, it's just correcting the notion that there are African countries "heavily populated with whites".

Economics should be compulsory up to SSCE level.

Great to see some of the explanations on here. Although I'm alarmed at the understanding of Economics here, I'm glad people are bold enough to ask questions and humble enough to listen to the answers.

As someone showed before, any extra money printed will find its way into the economy. Inflation occurs when too much money chases too few goods.

A simple economy that has just 10 cows and money supply of N100, would have the cost of each cow at about N10. Increase the money supply to N1,000 without having produced any more cows and you get the price of cow shooting up to N100 each. Hence the inflation. The exact mechanics of how this price increase works in a complex economy can be complicated.

With regards to printing more money to pay off foreign debt. Even if the foreign creditors will accept Naira, the value of Naira is based on the demand and supply of other currencies relative to the Naira. For example if Nigeria increase its money supply, more people have Naira and they will use some of this Naira to try to buy pounds. The demand for pounds relative to Naira increases. This increases the value of pounds and reduces the value of the Naira. We then need more and more Naira to buy the same amount of pounds, thereby defeating the whole purpose.

In a global economy where information travels fast, a huge demand for pounds from Naira holders can change the exchange rate within hours.

Hope that has helped.

Assault on ANYONE is a criminal offence, so the governor's wife and those that carried out the assault should be criminally liable.

It is actually the state prosecutor that prosecutes criminal cases, so the man that was assaulted himself having reported the assault to the police, can only seek redress as a civil case.

In a properly functioning legal system, the deputy governor's wife and all those involved in the assault would have a criminal record by now.

I believe God had an instruction and outcome for both of them, and it was their obedience to His instructions that gave each their required outcome.