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truthman2012: These people are confused. Verse 34 of the quranic chapter you refer to says Jesus being born, dying and being raised is the truth they are doubting. If Allah had tried to clear their doubt and they are still doubting, it mean Allah himself cannot solve their problem.

Yes oh! If Allah said Jesus would be born, die and be raised, wouldn't he die first before he was raised? You raise the dead not the living, period.

But come to look at it - why would the quran say Jesus would be born, die and be raised and still say he was not crucified, it only seemed to them so? I have proved it before, this quran is guess-works. Small time now dey go sey he no get contradiction. Wetin be contradiction pass this one. Na wa o.

tbaba1234: Before you say old testament, read what a famous church theologian feels.

Thomas Aquinas (1225–1274) Like Augustine, Thomas Aquinas holds "that one who has been justified by grace stands continually in need of the grace of God, since the justified can turn away and be finally lost."Aquinas stated that heretics should be given the death penalty if they could not be redeemed by the Church, stating, "About heretics there are two things to say. Their sin deserves banishment not only from the church by excommunication but also from the world by death." (paul, william, Apostasy, WWJD)

Isn't the man entitled to his own opinion? Is it God speaking? Some people assumed to be men of God have fallen in faith and their words and actions are affected by the fall.

tbaba1234: Before you say old testament, read what a famous church theologian feels.

Thomas Aquinas (1225–1274) Like Augustine, Thomas Aquinas holds "that one who has been justified by grace stands continually in need of the grace of God, since the justified can turn away and be finally lost."Aquinas stated that heretics should be given the death penalty if they could not be redeemed by the Church, stating, "About heretics there are two things to say. Their sin deserves banishment not only from the church by excommunication but also from the world by death." (paul, william, Apostasy, WWJD)

Isn't the man entitled to his own opinion? Is it God speaking? Many people assumed as men of God have fallen in faith and their words are affected by the fall.

BetaThings: Nobody should be talking about that OT/NT dichotomy here
Otherwise it would be right to steal, murder, have another god etc

Luke chapter 18


Whether said in response to a ruler or a young man, the injunction is to follow the commandments and that include slaying apostates

Mathew chapter 19

What is the moral of your story here?

ckkris: Matthew 5:17, Jesus fulfilled the LAW.

EXAMPLE.
Law keepers caught a woman in the act of adultery, and brought her to Jesus, John 8:3. He told the woman to go and sin no more. Why? Jesus is the ONE designated, from Genesis 3, to die on her behalf, as a perfect SACRIFICE, to take ALL the punishment of death, Deuteronomy 22:22, for that adultery, and more. This is GOODNEWS.

This is the role of Jesus as The MESSIAH, or Christ. Christianity doesn't plagiarise the Law. Christianity is the Reconciliation of sinful mankind back to a Holy sinless God.
Koran is childish plagiarism of the Old Testament that belong to Israel alone. Any person that doesn't surrender to the Lordship of Jesus of Nazareth, will never receive the Spirit of understanding, that makes the Old Testament a delight.

SHALOM.

Oh YES

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel; i dont know if you realize the importance of challenging a statement.

you said the building of Kaaba is at the at the earliest is by Ibrahim [sa] hence it will be incorrect because clearly it is Solomon [as] who built the Jerusalem temple and it is impossible for the difference between them to be 40 years. I agreed and i know that Ibrahim [as] was not the first to build the kaaba, then if 40 years have to be between the 2 buildings, it will not be referring to the two men and their involvement in the project of building the two structures. 40 years is just 2 generation of today. say from 1973 to 2013, a relatively short period and definitely a greater amount of years existed between Ibrahim and Suleyman [as to both]. I researched it and found that 40 years actually occurred between [in the very] first time of each structure being erected. I said the builder was Adam [as] who built first the Kaaba in Makka and was ordered to walk to Jerusalem to build Baitul Maqdis.

You said i was wrong and i said research it because its a public knowledge. i even gave you a pointer. if you want me to give you everything on gold platter, because silver platter is inferior in this case, all you have to say is that look i do not have the ability to research it. you dont have say more than that and i will give you the excerpt and the website so that you can read it with all the explanations.


but to be arrogant, especially when you are clearly wrong is not a good thing.

When you make a statement, it is incumbent on you to prove it. You don't have the right to shift your responsibility to somebody else. If you cannot prove it, it means you are incorrect. Period. You are trying to divert our attention from the main issue, which I have almost fallen into.

BetaThings: Like you guys tag with atheists to applaud the banning of hijab in France and the approval of homo-s marriage in that misguided country



If it is narrow as you claim how come people are going into it in droves as you claim
One of your claims cannot be true. Please take it out!

and we should hold the Bible in high esteem?
A book that blasphemes? eg Psalm 78:65 A book that denigrates Prophets? eg 1 Kings 1:1

It is not everybody that can get saved. It is only those whose hearts are good and tender and they are few in number when compared to the whole. The truth remains that children from a christian woman have a spark of fire inside them from their mother, which gets easily and quickly ignited to God's words.

There should be nothing special about hijab. It is only a way of dressing by arab women. Did hijab come down from Allah too? Did Allah command the wearing in the quran?

About what you call blasphemy in Psalm 78:65, David was a man, who was making anology about God's anger. 1 King 1:1 you quoted has nothing blasphemous but if you think it is, explain it.

But friend, if the quran is truly the words direct from the throne of God, why are there so many inconsistencies and errors in it? God is not expected to commit errors. Don't you think something is fishing? Or is it because the writer made a guess-work as he could not confirm the recitations from Allah after Muhammad had died? Something again must be wrong somewhere.

Thank you.

ayenny02: If you believe that you can't stick to your topic why did you open it, can't you see that I have refuted you on your thread and you want to use style to derail from the topic.
If you don't have anything to say you better pack well and look. RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!!

You have said nothing to refute the op's claim. When you guys just say something incorrectly, you shout you made a refutal. No. Those people in that picture were not bowing down to God but Allah, which idolaters had been worshiping in that centre before the advent of islam.

The worship of Allah had been in existence before islam. Allah was the god they worshiped in Muhammad's family before his birth, going by his father's name, Abdullah. When Muhammad came with his message from Allah, the people didn't ask him who Allah was. Allah was not new to them. They resisted him for wanting to impose his father's idol on all others. Gabriel must be the spirit of his family idol, who gave him an assurance that his father's god is the true God. There are ample evidences to these claims. Would God send his prophet to improve on his family's idol worship? No. No. No and No.

The tenacity you guys are defending islam shows you are in the religion because of your ignorance. You sincerely believe you are worshiping the true God, impressed upon your hearts by allah, but it is not true. I pray God will deliver you from satanic deceptions. Amen.

Apart from the pictures above the quran and hadiths talk about how Muhammad took to the ways of idolaters. Want to see them here again?

I said Christianity is inviting to the 'good and tender hearted'. I used the phrase on purpose. I didn't mean people with Pharaoh's heart.

Yes, the west is falling in christian faith. The world loves darkness more than light. Jesus said when I come back, shall I find faith? (Luke 18: .Yes, it is happening.

The road to heaven is very narrow and only a few people are on it (Mat. 7:14). The multitude in false religions of the world are not there.

That (religion) which is highly esteemed among men is an abomination to God (Luke 16:15). False religions will expand greatly as the end time draws nearer because many shall be deceived.

I feel very uneasy when I see people swimming in satanic deception and there is noway of correcting them that will not look as oppossing them. The Bible warns that if a watchman fails to blow the trumphet when danger is coming, the people will die, but their blood God said He will require from him (watchman).

You may hold the quran in high esteem, yet there are many unanswered questions and their answers will make a sincere person think twice. God has ways He had been dealing with His prophets and when there is a prophet whose messages and actions fall short of God's standard, it is the duty of the watchmen to blow their trumphet to avert danger.

I discovered from the word of God that He didn't appoint His prophets through angels. It is like a president of a country sending his messenger to appoint a minister on his behalf. Angels are God's messengers. Something must be wrong somewhere.

Shalom.

tbaba1234: Often times, such women become better muslims than their husbands but it could work the other way if there is no true conviction.

In Islam, the wife does not have to convert but it means that the man has to work extra hard to make sure his children are muslims.

A person who goes into such a union where his wife converted to marry MUST be knowledgeable and patient enough to teach her the ropes. Otherwise, she would only be a nominal muslim or worse, fall into kufr.

Most of the women from christian homes who married muslims convert their husband to Christianiy. Some of them succeed converting only their children. My blood sister is an example. She did it at the time of ignorance though.

This is how it usually happens: a woman from a Christian home will still have christian relations doing things together - naming, wedding etc. Her children will be there listening to christian sermons.

There is no way the children will hate Christianity. Christianity has a force that is inviting if you move close to it. It has the liveliness that cannot be easily ignored by the good and tender hearted: is it the manner of prayer that is authoritative or the worship singings that swell up the head and the heart? Before you know it the children will be bent on going to the church. This is no sentiment.

I heard an islamic preacher on radio sometime ago. He said 'don't marry their children, she will eventually turn you and your children to kiriyo' (derogatory way of calling christians). I believe he was talking from experience.

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel; if you have not be challenged before, here is the first time, unless you live a place where there is no access to research material, then what did you base your objection upon? you cant object and think you will be asked where is your proof.

Anyway, in summary, the readers must have discovered that you are trying to say it is not correct what the quran and hadiths say that Muhammad followed the ways of idol worship in worshiping Allah. If you don't believe the statements of your leaders in islam, why are you the religion?

I will grand you the indulgence of reproducing the hadiths under reference and give them your own interpretations. I'm waiting.

RoyPCain: people of paradise dont have to die first before they are in it just you dont have to be in the university first or a job first before you are in it. when you are admitted to the school before classes start or hired as employee before first day of work, you are alredy a member of the school or job family.

the chairman [sa] of prophets [as] spoke and you didnt accept because its your arrogant heart. yet you find a way worship man, still

To me, you arguments on this thread do not follow good reasoning. You put up defence for the sake of it. Those among you muslims who decided to be silent did so because they don't want to be seen as unreasonable as no good defence is available for this thread.

Muhammad was not sure of his own destiny, said by himself. You are saying he was right to prophesy the destiny of another person. How is that reasonable? Can you give what you don't have? Can you teach what you don't know? Muhammad did't know how to get to heaven and that was why he said he was not sure. He had no justification to teach, tell or prophesy to someone else about what he didn't know. Period.

ayenny02: The Quran and Bible agrees that Jesus ascended unto heaven (Luke 24:51), but the main dispute is about what happened in between: the alleged crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus (pbuh).


MUSLIMS BELIEVE

Muslims believed that they neither killed him nor crucified him, but it was made to appear so unto them. In many places in Qur'an,.
Surah 4, Verses 157 & 158:


JESUS BELIEF

Jesus said “sleep on now, and take rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the son of man is betrayed into the hands of the sinners.” (Mark 14:41)

“the son of man is betrayed to be crucified” (Matthew 26:2)

Jesus says in Matthew 26:24: “The son of man goes as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born”

Jesus never said he will be crucified, but only reveals the intention with which he will be betrayed: “betrayed to be crucified”.


DISCIPLES OF JESUS BELIEVE

Mark 14:50: And they all forsook him, and fled.

The disciples did not witness the alleged crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus


My Question is what happened in between: the alleged crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus

If the disciples fled, did that mean crucifixion did not happen? What about the crowd that witnessed it?

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel: 2+2=4 may be researched by a young person hearing it for the first time.
you asked for the 40 years, i said i am ready to provide it if you dont know how to conduct a research.
all you have to do is simply confess that you dont know. then InshaAllah, i will give you the whole thing in single package.


you are now jumping to another thing entirely without finishing what is a big mountain in front of you.

Surah 19 verse 35 does 2 things here; it denies your God has a son statement and shows God not to be involved in any manual labor in anything, including creation of anything;




now we can return to the 40 years between building Kaaba and building the temple in Jerusalem. let me give you a helping hand for the pleasure of Allah since you seem to need one.

who was the first to build the Kaaba in Makka? who was the first to build on the spot where Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem? ask both questions or combine them as 1 question when conducting your research. you will get there. InshaAllah.

You are the first person on NL who for lack of defence asked his opponent to conduct a research. Huhm! Trying to dodge?

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel: there are many human beings by virtue of their status in terms of position that do not work. they just command and its done. does the chairman of a company work or he is occupying the seat of authority where he can command others to work? bill gates does not work and it is the other guy under him who does. if bill gates can command things to happen in his company, then God has to have greater leverage of not 'working' so that there is tiredness as stated in the bible, producing what made Him regret making it. The real God commands things to happen as He wants them, so there is no regret afterward.

if there any that must engage in manual labor, thats a sign He is not God.


did you research as i asked an whats your finding? you seem to be keeping away from the truth because you find the truth may be better and you intent to bury it by staying not knowing. i already have a copy on file and when you are ready to become muslim, i will share it to mark your entering what holds for you the everlasting benefits.

Your quran neither say man was commanded into being nor did it say like md of a coy, delegated the job to someone else. It said man was created from clot or dust or both. Creating means doing something, eh.

I don't need to do research on what I already know. Do you do research on 2 x 2 = 4 ? No need.

tbaba1234: A reminder

Pls, may I ask how you seek guidance from Allah since you cannot hear from him as you are not his prophet?

@ RoyPCain

What is your source that 7 intestine is only an analogy?

Was it because Adam was so big that God had to rest? Was Adam the only creature God created that would not have been need for Him to rest?

When the bible says God rested, what it means is that He ceased from working after He had completed His work. Or did you see any other thing He needed to create after He stopped?

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel: did you do any research or you just want me to throw real information at you? Truth is from Allah and no one else. I am a no sect muslim. i am certain the men you mention didn't say 'Allah threw down' because Allah commands and He is not a worker and does not get tired.


Your "self" [basic] is making you not settle down. Abraham was the father of Ishmael right there in your bible, assuming that you are christian the way you harp on. if you read the bible long enough and shine your mind, at the same time, you will see that Ishmael 'buried' Abraham. so to say that they do live in the same place, is not putting into consideration that they didnt spend a lifetime building this simple structure. so they still build it and dont have to live in the same place as long as the had an unbroken relationship going. a single visit of say 3 month was enough if you think deeply.

When God created Adam, did He command or moulded him from dust? Did he not work in moulding him? Jesus said my Father worked and I work (John 5:17). Where do you get your idea that God doesn't work?

What about the forty years gap between kaaba and jerusalem temple that Muhammad said?

RoyPCain: @blenble: Narrated the merits of Bilal bin Rabah the freed slave of Abu Bakr. The Prophet said (to Bilal), "I heard the sound of your shoes in Paradise just in front of me." (Book #57, Hadith #97)

read and understand the above. the prophet [sa] says to bilal [ra, who is a companion, a follow of Muhammad [SA]] that he heard the sound of his shoes, where? in Paradise, how far? just in front of him.

what other proof?


biblical Jews said, to his associates [all of then jews]; salvation is of the jews [his people]. and you are hia making noise as if you have been admitted to the exclusively jewish club. where is you kapi [jewish skull cap]?


your best bet is in Islam, the religion of Adam [as].

RoyPCain, you are very funny. You must be a good comedian.

Narrated the merits of Bilal bin Rabah the freed slave of Abu Bakr. The Prophet said (to Bilal), "I heard the sound of your shoes in Paradise just in front of me." (Book #57, Hadith #97)

Was Bilal dead, how did Muhammad hear the sound of his shoes in Paradise? How would he differetiate the sound of anybody's shoes from many others. Why did he not see the dead muslims in Paradise? Muhammad could be funny too.

I read a book "Occult Grand Master Now In Christ" The author was a very great occultist who had attained 'Mastery' in occultism. He said he could appear in nine places at the same time. Instead of Allah, Chatanam was his Lord. While he was in the occult, he was taken to heaven in the exact manner Muhammad was taken to Paradise. There is nothing the Devil cannot do to deceive. It is all satanic manipulation. Thank God the author is now a gospel preacher.

Where did you see God appoint a prophet through an angel? Can you imagine a president of a country sending a messenger to appoint his minister?

alexis: Most muslims stand on matters of Islam is simple - "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts". We as human-beings are responsible for clarifying issues that are controversial and in-correct.

You didn't get my point. What I am saying is: with the points you have made, no reasonable person should still be able to claim the quran is scientifically perfect.

I am very sure the quran is not only scientifically incorrect, it is also spiritually misleading. Thank you.

Ah ah. They cann't be serious. They say there is no compulsion in islam, yet they are compelling. What a religion. 1 trillion of them cannot achieve that. Nonsense.

Ah ah. They cann't be serious. They say there is no compulsion in islam, yet they are compelling. What a religion.

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel; did you do any research of your own? if you did you would have found it by simply typing did Adam also build Aqsa after 40 years of Kaaba?

go do that first. when you can't get it i will post the like and the article.

what will you be benefited when you find out the truth? will you come into Islam or you are gonna stay out? there is nothing 'drew down' about the black stone of Kaaba.

You people don't appear co-ordinated. It was either ayenny02 or lanrexlan who said Allah threw down the black stone to both Abraham and Ishmael at the same time to locate where kaaba was to be built even though they were not living in the same place. How that was possible I don't know.

You came out again to say there was nothing like that at all. Confusion. Which one is your own sect?

deSika: no one is arguing am enough all by myself. they are only asking why Muhammad is not sure of his eternal destiny. and as usual i dont expect you to deal head on with it.
it may be that your lord will remit your sins even after sincere repentance. thats too bad


only ten persons, what about the rest


unless Allah bestows mercy uhm, did Allah eventually bestow mercy.

Muhammad was not sure of Allah's mercy. But lets come to think of it - which of the past prophets expressed lack of confidence in their God like Muhammad?

Let's see what God said through Prophet Jeremiah:

Jer. 29:11
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, said the Lord, THOUGHT OF PEACE, AND NOT OF EVIL, TO GIVE YOU AN EXPECTED END.

Why would a true prophet of God lack confidence in the God is serving? Why would God not give His servant an assurance of heaven?

@ RoyPCain

Please give me your source of lies because what muslims were claiming before was that Allah drew down black stone to Abraham who lived in Israel to build kaaba in Mecca. This your claim is very strange. Thank you.

RoyPCain: @Pointblank321; 1] there is no inconsistency but that is humility, humbleness towards his [sa] Lord [SWA]. Allah Loves the humble, those who show humility, those who are not proud, those who are not arrogant.

2] he [sa] that the 10 will because it was revealed to him. remember he [sa] i not to say anything but only what he hears he must say and those who do not follow his lead, it will be required of them?

you dont know the truth of today as it is jumping at you in this section. how can you say it is not the truth when it already determined as the truth long before your time?

no non muslim argued with Muhammad [sa] when he said those people are paradise confirmed. no one said he was inconsistent when he showed humility that Only Allah determined and no one should be self assured. it is the later folks in your arrogance are over sabi[ing] the matter.

You don't have to lie to defend islam. Hadiths are not revelations. So the ten people Muhammad mentioned were his guess after he had said he could not vouch for anyone. To you, is that not inconsistency? No muslim can be sure of heaven. It is all about gambling as the quran is guessing.

lanrexlan: Sir,kindly clear and explain them to us.

Paul insists Christians should not boast:“What then,can we boast about? Nothing!” (Romans 3:27).“What do you have that you did not receive?And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?” (1 Corinthians 4:7).But he then boasts repeatedly;claiming he prays more,labours more and suffers more than everybody else.(2 Corinthians 11:22-27).He says it is unwise to compare oneself with others (2 Corinthians 10:12).Then he declares that he is superior to the twelve apostles: “They say they serve Christ? I know I sound like a madman,but I have served him far more!I have worked harder.” (2 Corinthians 11:23).

Paul was not boasting. He made a statement of fact. He told them what he did and it was what anybody could do if they worked as hard as he did.

He says:“Christ is the end of the law.”(Romans 10:4)

Yes, Christ is the end of the Law written by scribes because the law is now written in our heart by God Himself (Hebrews 8:10). It is not more on paper.

.Paul claims his lies promote the gospel:“My dishonesty brought (God)glory by pointing up his honesty in contrast to my lies.”(Romans 3:7).

Paul never lied. If He called himself a liar, who would listen to his message? No man, especially a man of God would say is telling lies. He must have been accused of lying by the members of his former religion. He was telling them that it is better he was called a liar than making God a liar. You people (muslims) interpret the bible wrongly for lack of knowledge.

Paul is so unabashedly duplicitous,he admits to being guided by the shady principle of telling people whatever they want to hear:“I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.

This is one of the trainings we have as workers of Christ. We don't condemn people to save them. We use God's wisdom to let people see the reality of the gospel. Jesus went to the house of an unbeliever and ate there. People accused Him of doing so. He knew what he was doing. This is why we don't condemn you people on NL but try to let you see the truth.

Jesus delivers sinners from Satan (Luke 4:18);but Paul delivers them to Satan.He says:“Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander,whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.”(1 Timothy 1:20).

Paul made that statement as a man because Hymenaeus must have done so much damage to the gospel. Paul was an ordinary man who is subject to anger unlike Jesus. Even in your quran, the revelations started with a curse:

Quran 109:1-5 -
1. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. The power of Abu Lahab will perish and he will perish.
2. His wealth and gains will not exempt him.
3. He will be plunged in flaming fire
4. And hiis wife, the woodcarrier,
5. Will have upon her neck a halter of palm fibre.

What about that?

In conclusion you don't pick words from the bible without knowing the cause or implication of the statement.. Thank you.

lanrexlan: Any authoritative backings?

According to the Islamic version,Abraham took Ishmael and Hagar and made a new settlement in Makkah, called Paran in the Bible (Genesis 21:21)because of a divine instruction given to Abraham as a part of God's plan.Hagar ran seven times between two hills,Safa and Marwa, looking for water. This is the origin of one of the rituals that is performed during the pilgrimage to Makkah.The well of water mentioned in Genesis 21:19 is still present and is known as called Zamzam.Both Abraham and Ishmael later built the Ka'bah in Makkah. The spot where Abraham used to perform prayers near the Ka'bah is still present and is known as the Maqam Ibrahim, i.e., the Station of Abraham.During the pilgrimage, pilgrims in Makkah and Muslims all over the world commemorate the offering of Abraham and Ishmael by slaughtering cattle.Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on them afterwards.He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows.When he saw Abraham,he rose up to welcome him(and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father). Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.Ishmael said,'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.'Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said,Allah has ordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it. " The Prophet added,"Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building and when the walls became high,Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building,while Ishmael was handing him the stones and both of them were saying, 'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All- Hearing, the All-Knowing.'The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All- Hearing, the All-Knowing." (2.127) (Sahih Bukhari, Prophets, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 583)"

It has been proved beyond reasonable doubt that Kaaba was not built by Abraham and Ishmael. Muhammad said the gap between the building of Kaaba by Abraham and Ishmael and the building of Jerusalem Temple by Solomon was 40 years. The Temple of Jerusalem was built by Solomon around 958-951 BC. But Abraham lived around 2000 BC. Abraham and Ishmael must have been dead at the time Kaaba was built according to Muhammad. He proved the quran very wrong.

lanrexlan: Where's the proof?

The proofs were already there at the beginning and in the body of this thread. Do you want me to keep saying the same thing. Asking for proof when you were given more than needed already. If you lack what to say next, jump out of the thread.

wai una dey duplicate dis thread na?

blenble: can u hear urself?
Its like u dnt get d point!
imagine americans as idol worshippers and they circle and bow down to mt everest evry months and u come with a religion u claimed to b true and conquer america...what is d best thing for u to do with those mountains? YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO DESTROY THEM!
BT u nw say,no dnt destroy dem,lets b doing d same thing-circling,bowing and worshiping d mountain bt to honour our god in d life of our great great great...grand mother!
Kai,does dt make sense!
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASON Y I ALWAYS SAY WE ARE NOT SERVING THE SAME GOD!
THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WILL NEVER ALLOW THAT!
This is why u muslims will never understand why God instructs the israel in d OT to always destroy all pagan countries and THEIR gods====not bcus of anything or that God hates dem,bt bcus God does nt want them to start worship THEM and later claim they are worshiping HIM.GOD IS TOO HOLY TO BE WORSHIPPED D SAME WAY IDOLS WERE WORSHIPPED!(like u guys are doing). We have so many of that in d Bible bt u ppl will nt understand.TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THOSE IDOLS!


D fact that its been a way of worshiping idol shld get u thinking!
How will u b circling d SAME mountain some idol wrshippers were circling, AND U SAY U ARE WORSHIPPING D TRUE GOD??
What abt d demons in those mountain,huh?
CNT U HONOUR ISMAIL MUM WITH SOMETHING ELSE?
I AM NT SURPRISED THOUGH!
THE SAME MOUNTAIN??
Guy think!
SMH

Right! Right!! Right!!!

lanrexlan: Tell me the idolaters know about Hajar,the mother of Ismael,just prove it to me.....Peace

That was how idolaters were commemorating Hajar before islam. Are they too not descendants of Ishmael?