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golpen: "We still have an active congregation and a mission ministry, but keeping up the building was eating us house and home", Rev. Knotts said..

How does this imply that the churh has advanced to higher level or that the church was no longer useful. The reverend said they couldn't keep up with the maintenance, so they had to sell it, hence, merging with another church.

I don't think it's a news delivered to relegate the christians, but I think it's your inferiority complex that is making you to attack what is not. You better live good and don't give yourself hypertension.

An old building like an old car becomes financially burdensome. Why not sell and move forward to the next level? Muslims can continue to buy OLD church buildings, while Christians move to new ones.

@ lanrexlan

Don't be deceived by satan's lies. Breaking of bread is called the Lord's super or Holy Communion. Jesus commanded we should be doing it in remembrance of Him and he did it first (Mat. 26:26-28).

If any pagans did such, they copied it from the Christians and not the opposite.

Jesus is not sent to Isreal alone. God has timing. When he made the statement in Matthew 15:24, it was not yet the time for the Gentiles.

Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore and teach all NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

The above command was given by Jesus Himself after his resurrection. The time for the Gentiles began from there.

I'm sure you know all these but want to mislead the ignorant. Some people are bent to serve satan knowing and directly how much more serving him indirectly, which you are doing. May God forgive you.

@ RoyPCain

Jesus is both God and servant. See how. You may not understand because it is a spiritual thing:

Philippian 2:6-7
6. Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

7. But made himself of no reputation and took upon him the form of a SERVANT and was made in the likeness of men.

With that I believe your quest should be satisfied.

@ RoyPCain

If all the contractions listed happened in Muhammad's time, it shows his revelations were not from the true God, who is not subject to error.

Even the very few defences you put up are errorneous. If man is created from fetus development, gestation stage etc, is that creation or procreation?

Quran made a very serious error when it says man was created from clot. Whose clot did God use to create Adam? You see, when you muslims talk about the quran being glorious, I feel sad for them because I know it is satanic manipulations. May God deliver you from Satan.

The truth remains that the quran is a guess-work.

@ deSika

All I can say is: God bless you in aboundance. More knowledge, more power, more annointing in Jesus name.

Signed: cleanvessel

Juell: Did u read the story well? De building was sold cos the members hav joined another church. I've not heard where in Nigeria a church is converted to a mosque, maybe u could show some prove. And pls stop deceiving urself dat de population of Muslims is growing. Islam grows mainly tru birth (reason why u people marry many wives and kick against birth control). But u need to see de number of people dat convert to Christianity evryday.

You are right. Even the number Jesus Himself converted by appearing to them is colossal.

It makes no sense burning the bible or quran. They only make more markets for the printers and sellers of the books. It is like when MKO Abiola was alleged to have sunk a whole ship-load of bible into the sea. Did that make bible unavailable in Nigeria? It is rubbish.

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel; If a man is Loved by my Lord, none is Loved more than Muhammad [SA], the warner, the prophet, the messenger, the judge [what else would you want to add, even if it is not true?]. when you asked and you were served, instead of accepting reality, you just have to move the goal post. typical.


with the accusation you leveled that God provided all the desires of Muhammad [sa], you did not notice that compared to anyone in human history, his Lord has not loved anyone born of a woman more than him, even though he was no more than a slave, servant and human messenger. it seems to me that the verse of Isiah fits this servant [SA] than anyone else in human history because after the verse was revealed to Isiah, Muhammaad was the only judge instead o anyone judging him, and as a servant of God, God supported him by ruhu amin [ruhu qudud, Gabriel] that appeared to humanity.

we know where he was a judge and the groups he judged were both jews and gentiles in madina. God raised his esteem to the highest in the presence of children of israel and his authority was not limited to them, but included the gentiles; arabs. when you are living in fantasy and making stories instead of seeking the mercy of God directly, the reality is with us in Islam in the person of the holy prophet [sa]. we do not have to exaggerate or diminish but state the true quality of people God appointed.

Why must you look for Muhammad in the Bible? Quran never said Allah spoke about him in torah or gospel. Muhammad in his hadiths never told you people he had record outside quran. Where do you all get your formulations? It is not islamic to add to islam. Wake up.

The Bible gave a prophecy. The same Bible told how the prophecy was fulfilled, which authority do you have to say no? You kept interpreting the Bible according to your desire. Go on!

ayenny02: I have already given you the verse of the Quran and Hadith that mention second coming of Jesus (as) for muslim

How do you expect Jesus to come for you when the prophecy of jesus has failed in your bible

............. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (Matthew 24: 4-8, 20-35)

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (Matthew 16:28)
 
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:36, Mark 13:30 Luke 21:31)

Which church jesus will join among these o;

Catholic Church
Apostolic
Eastern Orthodox
Greek Old Calendarists
Oriental Orthodoxy
Adamites
Christian Gnosticism
Carpocratianism
Valentinianism
Ebionites
Pre-Lutheran Protestants
Lutheranism
Anglicanism
Calvinism
Presbyterianism
Congregationalist Churches
Anabaptists
Brethren
Methodists
Pietists and Holiness Churches

You don't know the meaning of Jesus church. The church is not the denominations you mentioned above. Jesus church are those who have His spirit from any denominations.

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel: you would have been better off it you put the minimum effort because you would have found that God says in the Quran that they will never have truly believed until they make you the Judge.



But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad SAW) judge IN ALL DISPUTES between them, and find in themselves NO RESISTANCE against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission. S. 4:65

One thing I discovered about Muhammad is that he received messages from Allah to support his desires. If he wanted to be a judge, he would receive a message to be a judge. If he wanted to be a warner he would receive a message to that effect. Again when he was concerned about his tribe to follow his religion, he received a message. When he desired to have Zynab after seeing her unclothedness by accident, he received a message etc.

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel: could you tell us how the true God said He should be worshiped since you know? please give us every detail for our weekly need and provide us the name of the book of God and or names of the book of the prophet and the prophet. we need our weekly worship guide, every bit of it, please. dont give us anything except what God said or what the prophet said He said. we need to read them or it to be sure that you are not just playing us since our eternity depends on the truth.

By this statement of yours, it implies you have seen that islam follows the way of idolaters and you now want the true way.

Jesus said I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, nobody can come unto the Father but by me (John 14:6).

If you accept that, I will tell you the rest. Thank you.

@ RoyPCain

Muhammad was not said to come for execution of any judgement. He was said to be a warner. If he left warning to executing judgement, he must acted outside his duty. He acted ultra vires.

@ ayenny02

Be candid to yourself and to other muslims following this thread of yours.

There are hadiths confirming that islamic worship is copied from the worship of idol in Muhammad's time. If islam is truly the worship of the true God, why would Muhammad copy the worship of Al-Ilah (moon-god)?

How do you think worshiping idol means submission to God (islam)?

Don't you think it is satan's trick to make people worship Al-Ilah (moon-god) thinking they are worshiping the true God? I have no doubt inside of me that you believe you are working for God but it is not true.

How do you think Jesus is coming for people who worship an idol most of them in gnorance?

Think seriously and prayerfully on these questions and I believe the Lord Jesus will show Himself to you as He did to many muslims like or greater than you. Thank you.

@ ayenny02

blenble
asked you an interesting question and you have not answered. ''Are you one of Jesus sheep?'' Yes or No. If no, He is not coming for you. He is coming for His sheep. Finished.

@ lanrexlan

Islam forbids idol worship but worship Allah the same way idol worshipers worship their idols. What an irony? There is no way you can worship the true God acceptably in the same manner idols are worshiped. God and idols are not worshiped the same manner. May God remove the veil of satanic deception from your face. Amen.

lanrexlan: Do you accept the first one I explained?

The first thing you got wrong about Safar and Marwar is that muslims go round it seven times because the mother of prophet Ismael(pbuh) did that when Abraham(pbuh) settled them down in Makkah.Ismael(pbuh) was thirsty and his mother Hajar was looking for water for him,unfortunately she found none.She ran to mount Safar to see maybe someone is coming or a caravan is coming,she found nothing,she went to the side of mount
Marwar also and search for people that will help them with water,she found nobody.She did this[running between safar and marwar] seven times and that's what gives birth to what muslims did by go round safar and marwar in order to commemorate Hajar for what she did.The idol worshippers may also do tawaf but we muslims aren't doing it because they did or Islam copied them,it's for Hajar,Ismael(pbuh)'s mother.



The word "Ihram" is used in the Quran in close relation to the "Shahr Al-Haram"(the sacred months).These are clearly defined as being four months, during which Hajj may be observed. However,when Muslims observe their Umrah anytime during the year,they still get into a state of Ihram and the men wear the Hajj garments!Wearing garments also pagan acts??

You said the pagans are facing the kabba when they do pray.Point number one to be noted is that muslims don't face the kabba before,they face Masjid Aqsa in Jerusalem,this serve as the Qiblah before.Allah said in the glorious Quran in surah Al-baqarah 2;144-''The fools among the people will say;What has turned them from their Qiblah to which they used to face in prayer.Say;To Allah belong both the east and the west,He guides whom he wills to a straight way''.
Then Allah said in the next verse that they should turn their faces towards Masjid Al-Haram in makkah.So it's a command from Allah and not a pagan practise as you claim.About 5 times prayer,Allah talked about prophet muhammed(pbuh)'s night journey in surah Al-Isra 17;1.

Islam forbids all forms of idol worship......Peace

This is not a defence. You saw clearly in my post above from your islamic authority how Muhammad copied the worship of idols and yet you said islam forbids all forms of idol worship. Your saying is different from your action. You cannot deceive God.

The fact remains that everything you do to worship Allah is what idol worshipers do to worship their own idols too. Yes or No.Therefore there is a relationship between islam and idolatery. Your explanations did not cancel this fact. Besides your stories have no authority backing them. They are formulated by you.

The questions you should ask yourself are: Can God be worshiped the same way as people worship idols? Why this resemblance?

ayenny02: "Jesus answered them, ‘Watch out that no one misleads you. For many will come in my name, saying, "I am the Christ," and they will mislead many ... Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ!" or "There he is!" do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Remember, I have told you ahead of time.’" Matthew 24:4-5, 23-25

The prophet Muhammad(saw) certainly does not fit the description given by Jesus.

To start off, Jesus says that many will come IN MY NAME claiming I AM THE CHRIST. The prophet Muhammad(saw) never claimed he was the Christ, that title was never given to him in the Quran, the term Christ is only given to Jesus in the Quran. Secondly, Muhammad never came in Jesus’ name; Muhammad came for Allah’s cause, not Jesus’. So therefore as we already see, the prophet Muhammad(saw) does not match the description given by Jesus.

The next description Jesus gives is that the false prophet will perform several great signs and wonders. The prophet Muhammad(saw) does not fit this description neither. In fact one of the main arguments Christians bring up against Muhammad, is that he did not perform great miracles and signs like the former prophets. In fact the unbelievers also accused Muhammad(saw) of this:

But (now), when the Truth has come to them from Ourselves, they say, "Why are not (Signs) sent to him, like those which were sent to Moses?" Do they not then reject (the Signs) which were formerly sent to Moses? They say: "Two kinds of sorcery, each assisting the other!" And they say: "For us, we reject all (such things)!" 28:48

Nay; rather it is signs, clear signs in the breasts of those who have been given knowledge; and none denies Our signs but the evildoers. They say, 'Why have signs not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Say: 'The signs are only with God, and I am only a plain warner. What, is it not SUFFICIENT FOR THEM that We have sent down upon thee the Book that is recited to them? Surely in that is a mercy, and a reminder to a people who believe. (29:49-51)

So as you can see, the pagans accused the prophet Muhammad(saw) of not performing great miracles and signs. As I also mentioned, Christians themselves always bring this argument up, so hence a Christian cannot honestly take both sides of the arguments, Christian’s must make their mind up. Did Muhammad(saw) perform great signs and wonders or did he not? If he did not, then he does not fit the description of a false prophet. This just shows double standards Christians use in their arguments.
However so, I am not saying Muhammad(saw) did not perform miracles and so on. He most certainly did, go read the hadiths to read them for yourself. The Quran is also a miracle and a sign. However so what I am saying is that the prophet Muhammad(saw) did not go around everyday performing miracles, and doing great wonders, So either way, the prophet Muhammad(saw) does not match that description.

Also finally, the prophet Muhammad(saw) did not try to persuade the people to believe him by major miracles and signs. This is not how went about things, so again he does not fit the description.

So as we see, those verses which Christians often bring up do not refer to Muhammad, the prophet Muhammad(saw) does not fit the description.

So, Muhammad was sent by God to convert Christians to idolatery that is practiced in islam? When did God start encouraging idol worship?

The warning about false prophets and false miracles is given to the Christians, not the muslims. Muslims don't perform miracles, so they cannot have true or false miracles. It is not your concern as a muslim whether miracles is true or false.

The apostles who gave the warning were themselves miracle workers. They knew true miracles exist.

@ golpen

Hi,

I'm surprised you are the one asking for a thread on the topic of quran. Have I not opened it before (Today's Quran Is Not the Original), which tbaba and golpen (yourself) did weakly defend and for lack of knowing what to do next, the thread was deleted?

Now again you ran away under the excuse of derailing the thread. If you know the truth and deliberately refuse to follow it, why prevent others from it by deleting threads? You keep concealing the truth at the eternal peril of the people, don't you think God will not be happy about that?

Every truth spoken agains islam is offensive, are you protecting your God? I know God is capable of defending Himself and also defend His people and not the opposite.

Juell: What's de big deal if an old church is sold to Muslims? U always look for avenues to dis credit de Christians. It clearly shows ur level of ignorance, u didn't even take ur time to read de full details. U only rushed to create a topic to show ur shallow way of thinking.

Thank you. They bought an old church building that was no more useful to the church. The church has advanced to higher level, praise God, Alleluyah.

@ submitter

You seem to be arguing for argument sake, no substance. The Bible in Isaiah 42:1 gave a prophecy. The same Bible in Matthew 12:15- 18 says how the prophecy was fulfilled. You sit down in a corner and formulate your own interpretation. That is very good of you.

You are free to call Muhammad anything, you are entitled to your opinion. Muhammad came introducing islam and copied the worship of idols as worship of his Allah and you think he was a prophet of God? Is God and idols worshiped the same way? Keep deceiving yourselves. See the thread 'Why Allah's Reconciliation' on NL, muslim section, you will get what I mean.

@ ayenny02

Which miracles did Muhammad perform? Who did he heal? He ate poison without knowing as a prophet. Quote the hadith where he performed miracles. When Muhammad was tested as a prophet and he failed, he admitted he was an ordinary man.

Quran is not a miracle at all. How can a book (quran) written when there was confussion in the memorizers' recitation be a miracle?

Or is it the torment melted out to Muhammad at his first contact with Gabriel that almost killed him you call a miracle?

Is it islam that was established on the foundation of idol worship existing before Muhammad you call miracle?

Is it Allah writing 'Allauh' here and there, which serves no benefit to anybody that you call miracle?

My friend, no miracle in islam because the God of miracle is not their God. .......God of miracle na our Papa. Abi bee ko?

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel: my opinion is from the wisdom of Islam. everything I said about preservation of the revealed Quran in Audible Voice to Muhammad [SA] and he [sa] to his community of believers [RA] and non believers knowing that it is Quran falls under the Another Comforter which is the Holy Spirit [Prophet of God] shall hear God and shall repeat what he hears. What is very interest in this case is that God said He will be The Protector. We in Islam are allowed to use our mind to understand reality of spirituality.

Allah protected the Quran from the moment it was revealed to the Prophet [Sa]; God made it easy for the heart of the prophet to capture it and be able to recall it from memory in the way a read is read a book. But to get it to the community, the scribes writes them down immediately. so from the get go, you have at least 4 official ORIGINALS with the prophet. The community heard revelation and write it down, which are additional ORIGINALS. The individual [RA] muslims may have all of the Quran or part according to opportunities of writing down he/her Original and definitely through memorization because he/she must use The Quran for Salat, etc.

The Hajj of the prophet [SA] was reported to have about 100,000 people making the hajj. Each of the 100,000 persons was a reciter and means of guardianship of the purity of the Quran. Lets just say 5% of these people memorized the 100% of the Quran, that will be 5,000 people. Even if we agree only 1,000 people. The slaughter of the muslims that prompted the manufacturing of the Book Form of the Quran took 100 of them. But 1 life was 1 too much. in the community still were Ali Abi Talib, ibn Mas'ud, and many many more [RA] memorizers in Madina when the Abu Bakr [RA] launched the First Book Form.

And to answer your 2 questions, Allah is called upon in every affairs of Muslims even when you are sure of success, humility to Allah is worship. so with all the resources in the community all of them in front of the scribe, hearing from Allah does not have to be by voice but guidance to get it right by The Guidance of The Guide Who said He is The Guard of it, for the lifetime of man. You may not know, Quran is easy on the tongue and the heart can easily take it and understand it, if Allah guide the heart.


Burning of the Quran is the easiest way to dispose it when you dont need it. We burn it even now if it becomes a rag. The original Manuscript[s] as you call it were burnt because at least the complete book forms are now in the community, so why keep parchments, still? It has been standardized to book form, let this standard [book form] becomes the thing to have.


Allah did not reveal the Bible, though the bible contains something of the Torah which Allah revealed to Moses, something of the sabur which Allah revealed to David and something of the Injil which Allah revealed to Jesus son of Mary. with all of that Allah did not reveal the Bible to any prophet, unless you name the prophet that received the revelation. And not all that Allah revealed of Torah, Sabur and Injil are in the Bible and what from each that are in the Bible are at best just ideas, but original in word for word or in original language. Since Allah didnt say He will protect any of the 3, we see from the bible that Jeremiah says that The OT is corrupted by the pen of the scribes.


What promised is firm and He keeps His Promise; Guarding the Quran.

Your quran confirms that there were torah and gospel earlier to the quran. I put it to you that as Allah failed to protect his torah and gospel, that you people cannot find them till today, he also failed to protect the quran.

Bukhari Book 6, Volume 61, Haddith 510

Narrated By Anas bin Malik : Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) DIFFERENCES IN THE RECITATIONS OF THE QURAN, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)

If Allah would protect the quran, there would not have been differences in the recitation of the memorizers. All you have expressed are your personal opinions, which cannot be established in your religious books. Since there were differences in the recitations of the memorizers, how was the writer able to pick the correct ones as he could not hear from Allah? As there was noway he could confirm from Allah because he could not hear from Him, his writings become a guess-work.

I again put it to you that today's quran is a guess-work as the writer could not confirm from Allah the accuracy of the ones he eventually wrote down from the contradicting recitations by the memorizers. Thank you.

tosin2013: Islam is d religion from God which compliments and perfects all d messages of d previous prophets from AdamAS) to Jesus (AS). It is d only religion on earth today dat links Man to his Lord directly without sons or subordinates!

Check d thread "jesus will return as a muslim or christain" by ayenny02 and u ll be convinced.

Jesus will return as a muslim? Is he returning to approve idol worship that muslim practice in the name of one-God? That is wonderful.

@ ayenny02

Christians are commissioned to preach the gospel to every creature. I can go to any section to tell them the truth.

If there are false prophets who perform miracles, there are true ones who perform miracles too. If there is no original there can be no counterfeit because counterfeit is copied from the original. Are you saying only the devil can perform miracles and God cannot? All the miracles performed by Jesus disciples were done by whose power?

Muhammad could not perform miracles because his god (allah) is powerless. Since your leader (Muhammad) could not perform miracles, how can you followers perform? Because there is no miracle in islam, it pains you when we talk of miracles in Christendom. We are serving the true and powerful God and that makes the difference.

If you call Christianity a false religion, what do call islam that worship the moon-god. Muhammad rename idol worship and call it islam. Everything they were doing idol worship before islam is practice in islam. Go and respond to the various evidences that prove islam is idol worship in 'Why Allah's Reconciliation' you ran away from.

submitter: This is not deceiving one selves at all. It is proved by reading ongoing verses in chapter 42 foretelling about this man, servant of God.

have the events mention in passage 42 happened?

verse 11 & 12 mention specifically about arabia (desert), place inhabit by Kedar, inhabitants in areas of Sela. As of today indeed you can see, the inhabitants of arabia glorify and praise God.

You see inhabitants in these lands reciting Allahu Akbar (God is Greatest) , Alhamdulillah (Praise Almighty God) hundreds of times daily.

Where did you see Alkahu Akbar in verses 11-12? Why lying?

There is nowhere you can see God is Greatest in the Bible. It is in the quran you can see such a thing. Allah is the Greatest.

'Greatest' is a superlative word comparing between more than two things. The true God has no reason to compare Himself with other gods and called Himself the 'Greatest'. Greatest among who?

@ RoyPCain

All your explanations so far are not relevant to the hadith under reference. You have only stated your personal opinions.

I just want to ask you two main questions on the hadith under reference: There was the concern that the quran was about going into extinction if something was not done about it. So the writer was called to put the recitations down in writing.

At that time there were diffenrences in memorizers' recitations already. Something had gone wrong.

1. How did the writer pick the correct ones from the contradicting recitations by the memorizers as he could not hear from Allah for confirmation?

Remember in islam only Muhammad could hear from Allah as the prophet. If the writer could not get confirmation from Allah, what he was left with was guessing which recitations were correct and which were incorrect. That is why I call it guess-works. The ONLY surety was to confirm from Allah which was not the case.

2. Why was the original manuscripts burnt off? I believe it was to make cross-checks impossibe. Let's here your answer.



Remember, the topic of the thread is 'Nobody Can Corrupt the Bible'. This is based on the quranic statement that nothing can change Allah's word.

If you conlude torah and gospel had been changed or thrown away, the implication is that Allah is incapable of protecting his torah and gospel, thereby making his statement in the quran that nothing can change his words null and void. I don't know if that is what you mean by spirit being captured by humans or something.

ayenny02: I beg don't commit suicide, if you read my post from beginning you will see that those who know a little in bible were pointless talklless you that don't know anything abt your religion.
I will advice to go to church tomorrow and show ur pastor all my post maybe he will help you with any information.
Thks..... Pointless comment

You are only quoting the letters of the bible but you don't have the spirit to interpret it. You have a carnal and not spiritual knowledge of it.

If you want to get the true interpretations or answers to your questions, reduce your lengthy posts you copied from islamic website, which you yourself don't understand. Let issues be treated one after the other.

But wait a minute: why are you primarily concerned about Christianity and contribute so litttle to your religion. Are you not trained in islam but to criticize the christians? I'm sure you are not doing islamic evangelism here because islam does not invite the christians:

Quran 5:46
Let the People of the Gospel (i.e Christians) judge by that which Allah hath revealed theirein. Whoso judgeth not by which that which Allah hath revealed, such are evil-livers.

What therefore is your problem with the Christians? Your quran says leave them and let them judge themselves from their Book. You are disobeying your quran by interferring with the Christians.



Christianity cannot be perfectly understood without knowing the God of the christians. It cannot be carnally understood with 'letters' because letter killeth.

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the LETTER but of the SPIRIT: for the LETTER killeth, but the SPIRIT giveth life.

What you are doing is quoting the letter and as you lack the spirit to know what you are quoting, you are killing yourself rather than making alive.

The Bible is full of life and power. We practice what is written in it and we experience God's power - miracles. Why are there no power and life in the quran? It is because it is not the revelation of the true God. Gabriel revealed to Muhammad partly but wrongly from the Bible and majorly from idol worship at his time.

You cannot worship God acceptably in the ways of idol worshipers, which Muhammad introduced. Islam is not from God.

@ ayenny02

Christians will stay away from churches and embrace islamic idolatery?

When it has been proved beyond reseanable doubt that Muhammad continued with the ways of idolaters and rename it islam? See the thread ''Why Allah's Reconciliation''.

You are deceiving yourself.

@ ayenny02

An anti-Christ is anybody or any religion (islam) who/which worship idols in the name of God. You do not expect such idolaters to confess Jesus as Son of God or as Lord.

ayenny02: Can you help me to answer the question?

Take a temporary leave on these questions of yours and attend to the ones that primarily concern you. There so many questions waiting for you in the muslims' section.

Go to THREAD:

1. ''Why Allah's Reconciliation''-Islam is alleged to be idol worship. What is your opinion? Or do you read only the bible to discredit it and don't care what is happening to your religion?

2. ''Nobody Can Corrupt the Bible''. The question of quran being a guess-work under the thread, which all of you are dodging since.

Hurry up!

I don't believe islam will collapse. It will even wax stronger and stronger preparatory for the use of coming anti-Christ. Muslims will be good weapons in the hands of the anti-Christ ruler.

They are not easily convertible to Christ because they believe in error that they are serving one-God. They marry so many wives and bearing so many children, thereby increasing their population, even though many of these children are not properly catered for, causing problems in the society.

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