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golpen: Who am I to defend the Almighty ALLAH, the lord of the worlds. Don't misquote me like all your fellow christians have always done. I REACT doesn't mean I DEFEND. Get it straight. I've never called anyone 'stupid' in my conversations.

You may only like to admire my use of words that hits you somewhere without passing any literary harm.

Infact this thread is just to pass a news that a church truns mosque and not to analyse my style of arguments. You may open a new thread for that. thanks.

lanrexlan: Paul is a Liar and anti-christ.
Paul insists Christians should not boast:“What then,can we boast about? Nothing!” (Romans 3:27).“What do you have that you did not receive?And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?” (1 Corinthians 4:7).But he then boasts repeatedly;claiming he prays more,labours more and suffers more than everybody else.(2 Corinthians 11:22-27).He says it is unwise to compare oneself with others (2 Corinthians 10:12).Then he declares that he is superior to the twelve apostles: “They say they serve Christ? I know I sound like a madman,but I have served him far more!I have worked harder.” (2 Corinthians 11:23).He says:“Christ is the end of the law.”(Romans 10:4)Nevertheless, he performed Nazarite sacrifices according to the law even after Jesus’ resurrection. (Acts 21:26).Congenital liar Paul says to the Colossians:“Do not lie to one another.” (Colossians 3:9).And yet,Paul himself is not committed to truth.Instead,he justifies telling lies to the Philippians:“The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true,Christ is preached.” (Philippians 1:18).Paul claims his lies promote the gospel:“My dishonesty brought (God)glory by pointing up his honesty in contrast to my lies.”(Romans 3:7).He even openly boasts of being a deceiver to the Corinthians:“Crafty fellow that I am,I caught you by trickery!”(2 Corinthians 12:16).Paul is so unabashedly duplicitous,he admits to being guided by the shady principle of telling people whatever they want to hear:“I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.”(1 Corinthians 9:22).Accusations that he was a liar trailed him everywhere,ensuring that he often resorted to swearing in self-defence: “The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed forever knows that I am not lying.”(2 Corinthians 11:31).But Jesus expressly cautions against this:“Do not swear at all:either by heaven,for it is God’s throne;or by the earth,for it is his footstool. Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’;anything beyond this comes from the evil one.”(Matthew 5:34/ 37).Mean-spirited Paul is so malicious;he wishes those who persecute him would castrate themselves. (Galatians 5:12).Responding to his critics,he insists their “mouths must be stopped.”(Titus 1:11).Jesus delivers sinners from Satan (Luke 4:18);but Paul delivers them to Satan.He says:“Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander,whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.”(1 Timothy 1:20).And yet,this same Paul moralises to the Galatians:“Brethren,if a man is overtaken in any trespass,you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness.” (Galatians 6:1).He counsels the Romans:“Repay no one evil for evil.” (Romans 12:17).But instead of forgiving those who offended him,he asked God to punish them:“Alexander the coppersmith has done me much harm.The Lord will punish him.”(2 Timothy 4:14).While Jesus advocates non- retaliationin Christian conduct:“that you may be sons of your Father in heaven” (Matthew 5:45);Paul preaches it for malevolent reasons:“for in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.''(Romans 12:20).

RoyPCain: @clearvessel and blenble and other non muslims: You want salvation? here is a verse for you; Chapter 3 verse; 31; Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."


read suratul Muhammad [Chapter 47]. below are the first 3 verses and you can help yourself with the rest because the road map is clear.


1. Those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Prophet Muhammad ], and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah (Islamic Monotheism), He will render their deeds vain .

2. But those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and believe in that which is sent down to Muhammad (), for it is the truth from their Lord, He will expiate from them their sins, and will make good their state.

3. That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord. Thus does Allah set forth their parables for mankind.


there are many more and you can be responsible instead of hiding behind an innocent man who is not a willing participant in your charade of salvation.

alexis: I am waiting for his explanation. His problem is that with all his education, he is unable to use it when it comes to the Quran. How can any human being have 7 intestines? Ask him about it and he will start off in a whole direction that is not related to the question.

Those in 7th century Arabia couldn't verify such statements and claims but we can. We already have and such statements are not true. For example:

1. Mohammed said a non muslim have 7 intestine and a muslim has one because a non muslim ate too much - How in this universe is that correct?
2. He said Adam was 90 feet tall - We are still waiting for an explanation on this
3. He said a child will resemble his father if the father climax first when having sex and the child will resemble his mother if the mother climax first - This is untrue but a child resemblance relies on genetics and not sexual climax

These are just basic things he claimed that is not correct when tested with science

alexis: I am waiting for his explanation. His problem is that with all his education, he is unable to use it when it comes to the Quran. How can any human being have 7 intestines? Ask him about it and he will start off in a whole direction that is not related to the question.

Those in 7th century Arabia couldn't verify such statements and claims but we can. We already have and such statements are not true. For example:

1. Mohammed said a non muslim have 7 intestine and a muslim has one because a non muslim ate too much - How in this universe is that correct?
2. He said Adam was 90 feet tall - We are still waiting for an explanation on this
3. He said a child will resemble his father if the father climax first when having sex and the child will resemble his mother if the mother climax first - This is untrue but a child resemblance relies on genetics and not sexual climax

These are just basic things he claimed that is not correct when tested with science

alexis: I am waiting for his explanation. His problem is that with all his education, he is unable to use it when it comes to the Quran. How can any human being have 7 intestines? Ask him about it and he will start off in a whole direction that is not related to the question.

Those in 7th century Arabia couldn't verify such statements and claims but we can. We already have and such statements are not true. For example:

1. Mohammed said a non muslim have 7 intestine and a muslim has one because a non muslim ate too much - How in this universe is that correct?
2. He said Adam was 90 feet tall - We are still waiting for an explanation on this
3. He said a child will resemble his father if the father climax first when having sex and the child will resemble his mother if the mother climax first - This is untrue but a child resemblance relies on genetics and not sexual climax

These are just basic things he claimed that is not correct when tested with science

alexis: I am waiting for his explanation. His problem is that with all his education, he is unable to use it when it comes to the Quran. How can any human being have 7 intestines? Ask him about it and he will start off in a whole direction that is not related to the question.

Those in 7th century Arabia couldn't verify such statements and claims but we can. We already have and such statements are not true. For example:

1. Mohammed said a non muslim have 7 intestine and a muslim has one because a non muslim ate too much - How in this universe is that correct?
2. He said Adam was 90 feet tall - We are still waiting for an explanation on this
3. He said a child will resemble his father if the father climax first when having sex and the child will resemble his mother if the mother climax first - This is untrue but a child resemblance relies on genetics and not sexual climax

These are just basic things he claimed that is not correct when tested with science

tbaba1234: Threads are argumentative because muslims respond to them. There are certain people that shouldn't be responded to at all.

People like pointblank aka truthman, clean vessel , NL Member and a few others should not be responded to. I think it lowers one's IQ .

Some people seem to prefer arguing instead of responding to threads that actually have some benefit. That is why the useful threads disappear into the archives while those with no benefit stay up.

Instead of engaging in ego contests, why don't look at what really has benefit for us.

chuose: @tosin2013 All the prophets of God came from Israel, mohammed did not.

So A Christian loves Israel becos the way God blessed Israel means God loves them, Islam makes one hate israel.

Prophets perform miracles Mohammed did not.

Christianity builds on Judaism, Islam is on it's own. The Old Testament is the Torah showing relationship, Islam changes names and gives the impression that they are the same people when they are NOT.

Prophets of God know when they die they go to heaven,

CHRISTIANS ARE PROMISED HEAVEN

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 HE THAT BELIEVETH ON HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED: BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, BECAUSE HE HATH NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.


prophets of allah are CONFUSED & FEARFULLY knowing that allah cannot save them.

Sura 46:9
"I am not something original among the messengers, NOR DO I KNOW WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH ME OR WITH YOU(MUSLIMS).


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blenble: i am nt surprised,i v been asking many muslims too d same question,bt their answer was a sorry case!
Also,ask them abt their god's salvation plan-he has none!
They will just go abt in circles!

lanrexlan: Which of my posts did I agree that idol worshipping was incorporated into Islam? I said the pagans of Makkah may also do tawaf between safar and marwar,but we muslims don't do it because of that,we used it to commemorate Hajar,mother of Ismael.....Peace

golpen: I don't abuse, like I've not abused you. I only react to any form of insult to my Allah and the religion. And thanks too for agreeing to the fact!

Rolling.:
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"Fact: The US Supreme court honored Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings Be Upon Him) as one of the greatest impact on law in the world in 1935.

Equality before the law; Innocent until proven guilty; The right to counsel … this is why in 1935, the United States Supreme Court honored Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as one of the 18 greatest lawgivers in human history in 1935.

Islam is also recognized in one of our greatest buildings (the Library of Congress) as being one of the 11 or 12 most influential and important contributors to civilization!”


http://themuslimvoice./2012/09/24/prophet-muhammad-pbuh-honored-by-us-supreme-court-in-1935/

deSika: if i may add

why would Muhammad change direction of prayers from kabba to Jerusalem and then back to kabba, if he was sure that Abraham built a place that God commaded him to build for worship.

If Abraham was asked by Allah to build a house of worship. why change direction of prayer from a God ordained house of prayer.

deSika: if i may add

why would Muhammad change direction of prayers from kabba to Jerusalem and then back to kabba, if he was sure that Abraham built a place that God commaded him to build for worship.

If Abraham was asked by Allah to build a house of worship. why change direction of prayer from a God ordained house of prayer.

golpen: How is that possible that I hate you, when I don't even know you. We may have problems with each other's ideologies, but in trying to convince each other, I don't think there's a room for hatred. Besides, my religion (ISLAM) goes against hating any body be it muslim or not.

This is not part of the argument and you have just submitted to me your level of maturity. Thanks

tox22: I was born a roman catholic. But unfortunately so many of their teachings have become increasing harder to digest. but I need to know more about other religions. Any suggestions.

alexis: Bros, stick to the point about the scientific claims about Mohammed. We are talking about how flies have cure to any disease it carries, how Adam was 90 feet tall and how a non-muslim has 7 intestines. So far, all you have done is talk in circles.



Again, going in circles on a topic that is irrelevant to what we are discussing. I will ask you the same simple question again. If a fly carries typhoid fever in one of it's wings - does it have the cure to the typhoid fever in another wing based on your prophet scientific reasoning?



I don't have to prove anything. It is only a muslim that would believe a fly carries cure to any disease that it spreads irrespective of his education. I asked you for evidence and you posted how a fly can possibly possess anti-bacteria properties. As if that is proof that it has a cure to whatever disease it carrier. You later tried to come up with an impossible explanation that PREVENTION EQUALS CURE; that didn't work either and here you are talking about palm-wine drinkers. I thought muslims weren't suppose to drink, so who was Mohammed referring to?



You comparison has no logic. There are accidents everyday where babies die but adults survive and vice-versa. It holds no water. Again, stick to the thread and provide reliable evidence



Oga, you don't need to tell me about the Yoruba culture to explain the Hadith. Your Hadith made a claim - it said because a non muslim eat so much, he must have more than one intestine? It never said anything about the ramadan or the places where muslims live or fasting or whatsoever.

Mohammed said the man eat too much and as a result he had more than one intestine - simple!. So, what if it was a muslim that ate as much or even more, then what? My point is and still remains simple - Show us how a human anatomy has 7 intestines? You can show us before and after he ate. You can show us a muslim and non-muslim intestines so we can compare. A simple picture will suffice

Again, you have failed to provide direct answers to these simple questions:

1. If a fly carries typhoid fever in one of it's wings; does it have a cure in it's other wing?
2. Can you show us a picture of a muslim intestine and a non-muslim intestine to see if a non-muslim has 7 intestine
3. Can you tell us or prove that Adam was 90 feet tall? How tall was Eve or their kids?

I dey wait for your answer

Mee234: @alex you are having a field day because tbaba has not shown you the real meaning of all these things in classic Arabic. He once shew how misinterpretation by some who claim that Quran said that mountain prevent earthquake even when all the English translation of that statement use the world qauke.

submitter: @desika, you state


If you read in Isaiah 42, God mention 'I will put my Spirit on him'. As Christians claim Holy Spirit is God Himself due to it being spirit of God.

In Quran God's spirit does not mean 'God's soul Himself' but rather a creation of God sent to the selected ones.

RoyPCain: when Jesus said the person who abolishes or cause anyone to abolish the laws and the prophets shall be the least, claiming to be highest and follower of Jesus after ignoring his order, if you abolish or make any to abolish the law and the prophets, arent you a hypocrite? will the person suddenly become the highest in the kingdom if Jesus statement on the matter is true? puffing up is empty.

like the jamaican sheikh said, the salvation of muslim is worship in tawhid, while condemnation is anything outside it.

pointblank 321: No. Kaaba was not built by his grandpa, it was built by pagans in arabia.

Muhammed says it was built 40 years prior to the Temple at Jerusalem:
Narrated Abu Dhaar: I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was built first?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Haram." I asked, "Which (was built) next?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem)." I asked, "What was the period in between them? He replied, forty years.
Sahih Bukhari 4:55:636

The Temple at Jerusalem was built by Solomon around 958-951 BC. This implies that if Muhammad were to be believed, the Ka’aba must have been built approximately 998-991 BC. But Abraham lived around 2000 BC and both Abraham and Ishmael would have been dead by then.

If Muhammad is correct, then the Qur’an [and therefore Allah] is wrong. But if the Qur’an is correct in stating that Abraham and Ishmael built the Ka’aba, then Muhammad and the sahih hadith is wrong.

The Ka’aba has nothing to do with Abraham or Ishmael. It has a wholly pagan heritage. Egyptian Professor and foremost authority on Arabic literature, Dr. Taha Husayn, said the following:
The case for this episode is very obvious because it is of recent date and came into vogue just before the rise of Islam. Islam exploited it for religious reasons.[1]

The fact that Muhammad considered dismantling it is a fact that it was not built by Abraham as a house of worship.

Narrated Aswad: Ibn Az-Zubair said to me, "Aisha used to tell you secretly a number of things. What did she tell you about the Ka'ba?" I replied, "She told me that once the Prophet said, 'O 'Aisha! Had not your people been still close to the pre-Islamic period of ignorance (infidelity)! I would have dismantled the Ka'ba and would have made two doors in it; one for entrance and the other for exit." Later on Ibn Az-Zubair did the same.
Sahih Bukhari 1:3:128

Muhammad proved quran to be incorrect. Thank you.

lanrexlan: Ask cleanvessel that question,he said wearing garments is part of idol worship and also performing ablution.Ask him if he wears garments or not and if people don't perform ablution in the bible.

Jesus(pbuh) and many prophets also bowed and worship God,idol worshippers also bow and worship their idols? Did Jesus(pbuh) copied bowing to God from idol worshippers? Absolutely No,who are the idol worshippers bowing to? Inanimate objects they created by themselves,who did Jesus(pbuh) and we muslims bow to? The creator of THE heavens and earth.What matter most is the intention why you bow and whom you bow to.The kabba was built by Abraham(pbuh),a righteous man,kabba is the first house of worship on earth.The kabba was meant for the worship of THE one true God and Abraham(pbuh) did that.But due to change in time,ignorance and disbelief sets in Makkah and people keeps idols in kabba but when prophet muhammed(pbuh) came and became a prophet,he demolished all the idol worshipping and dedicated the kabba to the worship of THE one true God which it was meant for.....Peace

golpen: HYPOCRISY!!!!

golpen: Why don't you stop deceiving yourselves. I don't really like to discuss this church issue with you. It is not a news you should try to argue because it is not aimed at relegating christianity. It is just like a news you will also love to post in this same forum if a mosque became a church too. Meanwhile, the church the church was too old for their use, but they said the maintenance was eating them 'house and home'

Save your fingers for more important issues and don't let your inferiority rule over you.

Seun: I come from a Christian family. All the members of my family are Christians - except for my stubborn self, who left faith after it failed him.

golpen: @cleanvessel

I am still yet to understand your plights, may be because I'm so concerned about the each thread for each discussion policy.

And okay I agree with you that you get an answer of your deleted post, which you have accused me of defending weakly, only IF we can get to a conclusion on the topic of this particular thread. It is you that have run away on this particular thread, only to come back and derail it with a deleted thread issue, ignoring your own contribution and dilemma on this thread.

Answer the question according to the posts on this thread first, before we proceed.

HAS THE BIBLE BEEN CORRUPTED OR NOT

big-t:
who knows whether that made God tear his government apart like Nebucadnezzar's!!

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel: This is my last response on this matter; If a child is young, mom will put him in diapers. when he gets older he wears pull ups. at some point, he is able to control his waste movements, he wears under garment. as e gets older, he does not allow mom to dress him. there will come a time mom can not come to his space unannounced or see him without properly covered. throughout the changes above the boy is still omo mommy. is there any contradiction in his life story because he was needing mom's effort to diaper at one stage and at another, he doesn't so much so that mom cant see her young man without covering anymore? think about that and that solve the confusion you "intentionally" holds on to. and it is the same you who says God is now human killed by humans.