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What can we do for him?
Humans especially Africans are polygamous in nature.
Glad he sucked it up and protected his marriage until death.
That's the 'African way'

Simply because these cry babies can't live a day without coming to nairaland to whine about feminists. it seems there's an orgasmic association between that word and some people's lives on this forum.

If they are not creating threads about it, they are derailing threads into it.

BABE3:
That's the only place feminism gets talked about; Nairaland. No one does anything or says anything on feminism in Nigeria, apart from that chiamanda woman (I destroyed her name). She writes an article once every 4 months to tickle women's fancy, then crawls back to her cave.

The reason for feminism taking a back seat isn't far fetched, we have bigger fish to fry in nigeria. A concrete judicial and law enforcement system needs to be established before laws in favor of feminism can be passed and effective. Hardly 3 square meals for most, no electricity, fuel, clean water..... feminism is at the bottom of that list.



The irony is, it's the Nigerian females in developed country that mostly support feminism (after dey don belleful), not the ones back home. Meanwhile, the ones back home are the ones in need to embrace the movement. It's very easy to talk about feminism all day with unlimited wifi, smooth roads and constant electricity.

Talk about medicine for someone else's headache.

pickabeau1:
now i see the joke was really serious
im chilled woman

God the Mother

i don't even understand what joke you're making.
God the mother doesn't sound funny.

Seriously I would not recommend someone I've never met to a relative of mine but if marriage were to be compulsorily between two folks who've never met before and I had to choose from on here, he would be my first choice.

coogar:
so the she-male does it for the likes?
when some people are not relevant in the real world, they seek relevance online by posting balderdash to appeal to the brainless bimbos who co-sign such moronic posts. they must be feeling used now that the confession is out....



you must have sisters or female relatives somewhere on this planet. recommend them to him now.....learn from someone that lost his virginity to a man?

pass!

pickabeau1:
I am content with what the Bible tells me

I dont need to change the Bible to justify a man made cause

they wish you goodluck.

Why are you bothered about them?
There will always be disagreeing factions on the issue even among feminist and as always when one side has enough supporters, they will establish their parallel arm of the association and everyone will cohabit peacefully side by side.
We have Christians who believe in trinity,Infant baptism,Adult baptism,Confession to man,Extreme unctions etc.
And so on and so forth.

They all cohabit side by side and God hasn't destroyed any of them for going about worshiping him in a different way.

You need to chill mehn.

I'm not naming names o but the hypocrisy on this section is nauseating sha. That the culprits can't see it for themselves is a perfect example of egocentrism;nothing is wrong as long as I'm the one doing it. Hehehehe

I know a certain lady who'd type something in support of a guy in a given scenario and any lady who countered her is a witch and evil and women would be their own worst enemies because of that single incident and bla bla bla.

Why can't you guys do the same thing you recommend others to do? Support francistony even if he's calling the guys out or sit down and learn from him as he's a perfect husband material.

Orisirishi.

pickabeau1:
@cococandy

i wish the christian feminists the best of luck in their campaign to ensure God is perceived as she or a suitable pronoun they invent

lol

they probably wish you the best of luck too

This is like pouring water on stone.
Chai.

So you agreed that God is not a man yet won't see how the HE pronoun is a product of the psychological effect of the role he plays in Christianity?

If Christ didn't mean 'God the father' as a symbolism (psychological attribute) of who he is to us, did he then mean it as physical attribute of God as per "God with male sexual organs"?


Of course It is not physical. It is psychological (mind n spiritual) yes spirituality is a construct of the psyche: things aren't matter but affect us

pickabeau1:
So its all psychology n mindset that gods must be male?

So Christ who referred to God as Heavenly Father was also a mindset

I now see why God must be she.
That will undo the eons of brainwashing

Females will now be able to reach d top once we say God the Mother...

Why stop there

Jesus is female or maybe transgender

Christian feminists......carry go

njokusboy:
You would need to deny the existence of God before this argument can fly...
If you believe in God because the white men said so why then do you doubt him being a he because they allegedly said so..
The people who made the basic decisions about God were inspired by God, to doubt what they wrote is to doubt God

Pls don't be basic.

If the white men didn't come, which God would you be worshipping? Amadioha? Chukwuegu?
Wouldn't you make sacrifices to Ani the female goddess to bless your farm and make your wife/wives fertile?
Wouldn't you make sacrifices to oshimili the goddess of the river to grant you safe pass any time you traveled on a boat?

You would be worshipping the gods your people worshipped. The gods you'd have been told to be what they were by your ancestors. Who was inspiring them then? Or you mean they didn't have the Holy Spirit until the whites came and gave them the Holy Spirit inspired version of who God really is? Don't dig a pit for yourself
You're really saying the black race didn't have a Holy Spirit inspired version of God until the whites came and handed it us. Racismmmmmm.......

Now you've dumped for them for Jesus because you've been taught to.
Everything you know about the nature of God you were taught. And all of it human invention.

I can't get myself to believe there's no God. The wonders of the universe are too magnificent to be dismissed as happening by chance. I am Christian because I was born into it and I like to refer to God as a HE because I've become used to relating to him as a father. (A different place, a different time and it may not have been the case for me.
Same as you even if you're not honest enough to admit that.)

But it would be shallow to not recognize that the various versions of God is just our humanity trying to make sense of something bigger than our brains are capable of.

pickabeau1:
I knew where you were playing to..

So ur point is now that God is a human creation since men assigned gender to him and not the words of His only Son or even traditional religions

Chineke or Chukwu is denoted as male
Olorun is too
Zeus
Etc


So it is a global conspiracy to make God a male connotation ?

Ok

there's no conspiracy.
Read my post to francistony.

The thing is that it just happens that when we have to make human characterization of abstract figure that we haven't seen, we use the ideas best suited to us and the role that figure is going to play in our lives.

It is that simple.

Igbos have female deities. And each is ascribed a feminine gender because of the role it plays in the life of the people who worship it.
For example We have ani, goddess of the land/soil. She's responsible for fertility(which include soil fertility and female fertility; ignorantly, male fertility wasn't recognized as something to be worried about then)

The man was the father of the family so chukwu was ascribed the male gender because his role was the father of the other gods.
If the gods were going to have a father, it would make most sense in our human mind to make him a HE because men were fathers. It is only a natural thought progression.

Human beings create their own idea of God that's why we have so many varying versions of who God really is all over the world.
It doesn't make it necessarily true but it helps us be grounded in our relationship with the idea or who we want God to be in our lives.

pickabeau1:
Africa was not colonized because God is white
It was because the white people had guns

Making.God black will not change the economic realities that the whites n blacks
face

now we are getting somewhere.

God became 'white' because the white men had the upper hand. They had guns. They brought the religion. God was who they told us he was. Whether we liked it or not.

Same way he became a 'he' because those who made the decisions that mattered about him where men. He became a HE because men wanted him to be.
Relate?

With this, we needn't argue any further.

FrancisTony:
Okay, white men didn't want blacks to feel inferior.

Why did they make God white when he's of no race?
Made Jesus white when he's actually black.

Some people will just comment stupidly just to feel among.

they most likely didn't have that intention. If all the men they had seen all their lives were white, coming to Africa to teach Christianity with picture bibles that had images of men meant they had to produce images they were familiar with. Which was that of white men.

They may not have had racist intentions but denying that it had racist effects on black people is denying the obvious.

pickabeau1:
So God is racist too..... choi

this joke is getting more serious

God is not racist.

But is the presentation made of God by the first white missionaries who brought Christianity to us a racist one? Maybe not intentional but yes it is racist. Pictures of White Jesus. Pictures of White apostles. Pictures of White everyone-that-mattered.


If it didn't affect the psych of the black man, why are black scholars all over the place trying to prove that Jesus was black? They know what happened there. Whether he was really black is topic for another day.

But I've seen a m0r0n once in while say that even God chose to come back to earth in the form of a white man because of one bla bla bla reason.
You don't think any of the early representation of God as white man had something to do with that?

It is the same way the representation of God as HE induces the occasionally m0ron to say God is a man and that makes the male gender superior.

Deny it all you want, it is basic psychology at work here.

bukatyne:
I guess blacks are inferior to whites
New people are inferior to old people
Guys with short hair are inferior to the ones with long flowing hair

It is the same reason why blacks are all over the place trying to trace Jesus' genealogy to his black roots. The whites won't see the racism it subtly encourages but blacks know it all too well.

That's the same way guys won't see the chauvinism the HE pronoun encourages. But we see it.

I'm not for changing any of that because the mess of rewriting history, redefining religions and confusing children may not be worth any of that.

But let's not act like these people don't know what they are taking about.

Ok you don't see the relationship.
Now that's better.

I didn't expect you to see it. So I won't hold it against you:

It is the same way a white man won't see the relationship between racism and the Christian God/Jesus being a white bearded old man/white young handsome fellow respectively but blacks can see it.

Our points of view are not the same.

pickabeau1:
Summary


I dont see the relationship between God being referred to as He and male chauvinism

You dont need Gods gender to do that



SHIM help us

Ah........ (no MEN there)

SAMBARRY:
since you have a mental picture of what God looks like kindly post the picture of God on this thread. I want to see him with my korokoro eyes


Apart from the gender of God is he Oyinbo or black, , short or tall fat or slim




Oya o post pictures of him or adonb

God is an old white man white with grey hair and beard and deep voice .

FrancisTony:
He's a man, yet he didn't fucck to give birth to Jesus and produce offsprings.

What an asexual man.

Don't mind coogar

your problem is that you're the first to pounce on my post to try to argue against it when actually it was meant more for coogar and his line of argument. (Basically that God is a man)

You need to slow down and stop misunderstanding posts not meant for you.

I told you before that I don't agree he should be referred to as a she or it because of the centuries it would probably take to recondition the Christian mind that he now plays a different role than that of a father which we assigned to him. That would be like redefining the religion all together. So i agree it would be confusing and problematic.

But I agree it gives it gives male chauvinists leg to stand on when trying to present the female gender as inferior. I saw their reason for that. And I see it being displayed on this thread and many like it too..

Except you're saying you don't agree that it has that effect on(which I would not be surprised if you say you don't see it)

I don't even know what you're on about again.

pickabeau1:
ok....you still dont get it with your pretty head

I will expatiate once more..phew


The issue once again..is not whether God is a man but which pronoun should be used to refer to the christian God

Christian feminists are up in stitches because they believe that the fact that God has always been referred to as He gave males spiritual backing to perpertuate the patriachy.

So if they make God agender or a She.. this will help in making God less masculine

comprende?




Nope
Amen has MEN in it

Awomen is more politically correct
Ah is ok too

Ah

Chillisauce:
Boli and sauce

I want

It is lost on you.

If you actually believe God is not man, face coogar and argue against his argument instead of being unclear about where you stand.

Is he a man or genderless?
You couldn't even be straightforward with that answer.

Una doo.

pickabeau1:
Now u can see the joke that is the movement

Free the Nip-ples
God is a She




Well i dont want to debate the sex of God theologically
That he is referred to as He is enough for now




i guess the discourse is lost on you
Ok

coogar:
God is a man!
with a white beard, deep guttural voice & a unibrow.

He said lets make man in our own image. He then created eve from the ribs of adam. God did not create eve like adam was made. that bit should be telling you God = male!

ok

You do realize that 'God is not man' in that scripture means God is not human (just a way of saying humans lie but God doesn't)
If not it would imply that only men lie.

Every part of the bible gives the distinct message that God is not human and I'm here reading arguments about god's gender when I thought I've seen it all.

You're up in stitches too.
All of you are.

pickabeau1:
I will quote from the Bible and in bold for those who saying making him He makes him a Man

[size=28pt]God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? [/size]

He is not a man

He is however referred to as HE, not she or it

Dont give up..its your fellow sisters that are up in stitches about God;s gender

pickabeau1:
I will answer your question with this

God The Father, God the Son, God The Holy Spirit

Father is not a genderless constuct

So God is a man.

Or a he's a sexless 'he' gender?

I give up

SAMBARRY:
o yes o

sometimes I don't even know when you're serious or joking

Do you agree that God is genderless?

Forget about who calls the shot in each individual marriage. Your marriage your style. Everybody and their style. (Another pointless argument in my opinion.)

You're obviously not reading the arguments of those you're rooting for. Lol. Nothing I won't read on nairaland. Even the fact that God is refreshing to as a he is a pivot point for some arguments I'm reading here. You should be laughing at that.

pickabeau1:
I am only helping the version of feminism referred to as christian feminism...
strange but heck...




hahaha.....
evulz....




good....i wondered why u laid a rant if u had read d text... you did
Referring to God as He predates Nairaland.. so saying that is the reason why females are inferior?.... haha
Females are not inferior..we are all equal before God but in marriage there is a head which you also agree with

So what is the issue exactly

To know why God is a He Not a Man...dont get it twisted

pickabeau1:
Before I answer you
Have you read the article about feminists saying God should not be referred to as He

At least read before u pounce..

even though I don't necessarily agree( too late in my opinion), I can obviously see why.

If refering to God as a he makes nairaland dudes and those like them interpret it to mean the female gender is inferior, is that any surprise they would say so?
A simple understanding of the reasons why God began to be called a man in the first place should be enough to eliminate childish arguments about the gender of God.

You guys on nairaland have taken your chauvinism a little too far.


Pause and breathe.

gods in many religions were variably male and female depending on what role each one played in the lore of the people who worshipped it.

The 'gender' of God is man made.
Just like the various religions that we make up to associate and worship him with. And yes I said him. Why? Because that's what I've been taught and it is become a habit.

Just like most of you were taught and those who taught you were taught until it goes back to the first persons who ascribed the gender to him.

He is neither male nor female. Gender is a biological characteristic and God is not a biological being. God is spirit (John 4:24) and spirit does not have flesh and blood (Luke 24:39).

Is it too hard to understand that socially God is referred to as a man because traditionally men were in the lead when the bible was written and it doesn't require genius level of intelligence to know that the authors of the bible would be more inclined to call him a man because of their social leanings then?

There are things that don't need to be argued amongst adults.mtchew.

naijababe:
Una go kee person for this thread

na chillisauce o.
No be me.

Harsh but true

Floodgater:
The last time you could swear with your life that he wasn't cheating on you.
You have parents that can help you from the looming danger but you prefare steps to enduring a cheating husband so that you can continue worshipping a man and his family that dont care whether you or your family exist. Infact you have began googling some and hoping/advicing he uses condom.
You prefare to manage a situation that will take you without your children to an abroad of no return instead of seeking ways to salvage them even if it means absconding with them to the abroad you came from. Keep decieving yourself you are staying for your kids and not of your steadily eroding esteem.
This is your second near death experience because of that man, obviously you are capable of bracing a third.
The only reason you are catching the next breath is for your man to live, when you find a more important one, you will know what to do.

Chillisauce:
Shebi you will swallow the eba? Or do you chew your eba?

N'a the soup be the koko

well I guess so.

nonjebose:
They lodge the money in the bank, wait for d end of d fiscal year, and then share the 'excess' money. MoH is notorious for this

I'm telling you.

Corruption will go nowhere if we don't begin to hold these people accountable instead of expecting the government to do everything for us.