₦airaland Forum

crackhaus: I know my definition, what is your definition?

Okay to make it easier for me to fit you into a group, do you support the idea of doing away with gender roles?

TV01: No, I get you. In truth, there are probably a number who would act differently when faced with the actual choice. It's not easy and there is a lot of cultural and social pressure. Not to mention the political and media influence that is driven by differnt lobbies and interest groups.

That's why it's good to start from apoint of truth and make sure everything accords with that. There are times I would have been faced with these questions when I wouldn't have known my left from my right.

I genuinely appreciate your willingness to grasp these issues and work through them - at your own pace - and hold on to the integrity of where you are.

I've heard medics give testimonies of how they had abortions due to deformities. All their training and the voices of their colleagues must have been overwhelming. We were all in tears.

God is merciful. I pray it never comes upon us.


TV

Chillisauce: try and start eating more of sea food. Start with fish, shrimps, squid, snails etc. You can do it, although i still eat once a while doing some get together but i have reduced it a lot. I dont feel it now except i see some barbecued ribs . But then again, i just try to avoid it.

Now my digestive system is on track.

I will soon start ratio 7:3. 70percent veggies and fish, while 30percent carbs.
After few weeks and see how it goes.


note: its been just 2days for me , but the first day they say its the hardest

TV01: My position remains the same - although I appreciate it wouldn't be solely my call.

And the "right to choose" is not pursued by it's advocates on a selective basis. So there is really no middle ground - however hard you try to find it.

Did you find inconsistencies in my position?

TV

TV01: As for homosex - 2 or more parents of the same sex can never substitute for 1 of each.
The sublte differences and input from both parents is key to ensuring a well-rounded individual.
The physiological and psycholigical changes both parents undergo are different, as are the skills and contriburtions of each.

Look closely, you'll find studies that tell you same-sex parenting is as good (or even better) than mixed sex parenting - it's junk science. We don't have the requisite sample sizes or benefit of historicity of SSM to conduct a comprehensive study. But we don't really need it as stated above. A same sex couple cannot deliver what a miced sex couple can - ATBE.

And I say this knowing that a mixed couple does not gaurantee success and that there will be some cases of ss couples offspring doing well. Just like in single parent homes.



TV

TV01: I'm pro-life.

Take rape - two wrongs do no tmake a right, up to 80% or preganacies concieved in rape are kept. Not that I would force anyone raped to keep the pregnancy, that doen not ever make abortion a morally good or neutral choice. The statistical percentage of abortions for rape is ,!%

Take the risk of death - we keep both alive until we have to induce labour or the mother will die. Unfortunately the baby may not survive delivery. But we don't kill the baby. The termination of life is never the answer to the dilemna of death.

Take deformity - life is a precious gift from God. Fact is we are all "born deformed" - abi you no see our ways on NL ? - the key is to avoid behaviours or pairingd that may give rise to deformity and treat with humanity and dignity those that suffer from it. It's a reverse argument for euthanasia - do we kill the aged as they start to become deformed.

There are no moral or humane arguemnts for abortion - Pro-choice for life - pun intended.


TV

edwife: Dear,i know right?it is very irritating.

I thank God for you ,just be careful and if the need of changing your line arises just do it.

TV01: Cococandy morning, as ever, you make a good fist of it, but much as I try I can’t square the circle you’ve drawn. You’ve clearly stated you agree with a “womans right to choose”. This is not selective. It’s at any stage and for any reason.
You’ve also stated that you are against incest due to the “possible” effects on any offspring – as a direct result of the parents actions. Abortion is the same – there is conflict in your position and it is not resolved by resorting to “selectivity.


I would say I answered this question before at some point on this thread. But let me do it again.

Is there a line for totally against or for abortion? Are there grey areas?would you consider someone who supports abortion in some instances but rejects it in other instances as truly for or against?

I support abortion for many of the reasons I stated before. I know many people do too. I know that there are men who will scream murder at the mention of abortion but when affected by the case of their wives or daughters being rapedd will then succumb to become 'somewhat' supporters.

so yes TV there's room for selectivity.

Even if you deny it until tomorrow,90 percent of prolifers will suddenly become prochoice if the pregnancy has more demerits than merits.

as much as I don't and won't tell a young girl to go have an abortion just because,
I won't play the card of being totally against it when I don't know how I would react if faced with one of those dire reasons or situations that make abortion the reasonable way out.

I expect a TRUE prolifer to:
1)Accept a pregnancy concieved of rape whether of herself or his wife or his/her daughter
2) To take the chance at death even if the pregnancy is 90 percent high risk.to welcome death first rather even think of abortion.

3) To have the child or support having the child even if the father impregnanted his daughter or son impregnated the mother.

4) To go ahead and give birth to a severely deformed child whatever the case maybe. Even if the child will be subjected to a life of pain and misery and bedridden existence. Just don't abort. For any reason.

If they will heed medical advice and have an abortion because the pregnancy could kill the mother then they don't get off to calling themselves prolifers. That's where selectivity comes in.

So TV which do you belong to? Class of all or nothing?


Further, your position on homosex is that it’ harms no one except the two involved. But like in the first two instances, there are children involved.

and unlike in incesst where we have medical proof that the kids can be affected,there's no real medical proof yet that kids in homosexual homes will be affected. And you must understand that is not my position but a position I've grudginly been relegated to until I can prove otherwise.


The wholesale acceptance of homosex as moral means they are given the right to adopt and/or procure children via surrogacy. You cannot claim that homosexuality only affects the couple involved when children are part and parcel of the package of rights accorded to them.

just like the whole acceptance for incesst is that they are allowed to have kids too. In each case,I would say let the parents be together if they want to but since their union can affect the kids,they can be together on the condition that they have no kids.
Is that partial acceptance? Whatever.

That's how I feel about both cases. But My feelings hold no water as far as the law is concerned. So I've to at least state my opinion based on fact.
We have fact that incestuous unions affects kids. But no fact that homosex unions affect the kids. We have good points to earn us some marks in a debate but nothing that can't be disproved by the opponent.if a point can be disproved that means it won't be considered when the laws are being made.

Unlike in incestuos unions. The supporters can't disprove the fact that it hurts the kids. Hence we have the upper hand.

At the very least you are saying being raised without a father or mother – and by design – has no deleterious effect on children. Please humour – and impress me – by squaring that circle.

I never said that TV.(Assumptions). I'm of the opinion that kids need a father and a mother.I am of the opinion that homosex parents should not adopt kids. But that's just my opinion. Can it hold sway in the face of criticism?. Can I truly expect changes to be made because of my opinion and not something I can prove?

All points raised against homosex parents have a 'nullifier' when compared directly to heterosex parents. So until I can prove beyond reasonable doubt that homosex parents are not fit to raise kids,I just have to keep my opinion about their right to adopt kids to myself. No need engaging in lost debates with them.


TV

nduchucks: Some of you people gloating about this topic are pathetic. Ebola potentially threatens the lives of millions of people majority of who may be pellow Aficans. The US has sent 3000 medical personnel to Liberia to help and study the characteristics of this virus and are now sending a handful of experts to study the containment of the disease in Nigeria. This issue is too serious to be gloating about.

Medical experts are being sent to Senegal, a country where the virus seems to have been contained as well.

Those of you who would like to attribute this Ebola containment to politicians are outright ignorant. The success was due to:

(1) Swift action of our top Doctors and more importantly,

(2) The result of an emergency command center financed in 2012 by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to fight polio. As soon as the outbreak began, it was turned into the Ebola Emergency Operations Center. Without that top notch facility turned into Ebola Emergency Operations center, the story would have been different.

(3)The US Center for Disease Control had 10 experts in Nigeria working on polio and H.I.V., who had already trained 100 local doctors in epidemiology; 40 of them were immediately reassigned to Ebola and oversaw the contact tracing.

Ignorance kills.

jaybee3: Exactly!

Majority of Nigerians simply don't care

Caring is not just about doing the right things when people aren't looking. It's also about taking a stance as well as doing the right things when people are looking.

Simply intervene if you witness something that's obviously wrong. Don't just sit and pray, do something about it

exxell: When you keep on tying your soul with violent spirits,

enkay4love: I know a lady that has three kids for a super-weird man. He sexually molests their 3 year old daughter,disgraces the lady with insults in public which have confined her self worth to the lowest ebb,physicallly assaults her sometimes & assaults their 2 year old son like satan himself. Leave him for all these weirdest reasons in the world,she no gree! .....just SMH 4 her.

chaircover: I agree to a certain point. Yes its very important to put food on the table and provide shelter, but not at the detriment of other also very important things.

He is good to go because he pays rent and buys bags of rice, but what if he is a womaniser, brings home STD's and beats his wife? Is he still responsible? is he still good to go?

The only thing the OP focussed on was "money" and that is why so many women today are telling stories that touch; because they were only focussing in the mans pocket and his "potential"

Responsibility is all round . . not just pockets of it
I dont feel comfortable at the overall message that this topic is suggesting.

Dont get me wrong . .its a very bad thing for a capable man not to provide for his family due to lazyness or grandiose ideas.

moca: Nne, nothing o!
Just that i exploded!
All thanks to hubby
Infact, we all exploded and it took me time to get back on shape.
I hv since stopped it with other medemede
Hard for them(family)to adjust cos we were constantly fighting why there should be no juice on d table or pizza or red meat.
It has paid off and all hv adjusted.
Remaining my very stubborn FIL.
(Bc of him, i will create a thread one day )

letsdothis: Lol 2 years? Yours is even small. Here's Omowunmi from linda ikeji's encounter with a stalker for 6 years and how she dealt with him

lindaikeji..com.es/2011/09/my-experience-with-stalker-for-6-years.html?m=1

Stalkers can be very annoying really especially when it comes to ringing you up on fone. And they never forget. They can keep at it for years. If you are in Nigeria and you want to take it serious I suggest you document all the numbers he's ever called you with, then go to MTN or whichevet network's office and report to them.
They have policies to deal with such. Cheers.

pickabeau1: logic...yes.....not sentiments

edwife: Thank you very much my friend,i just don't know how someone will start stalking a lady he never met or know before.It has been going on for a while,i decided to ignore but when you receive continuous emails then there is a problem.It is not only weird but scary.I have reported to RR who ban him from family section,but i don't know how to get to Seun.

pickabeau1: Your problem is that you don't use logic to make points.

Scientists have shown that what was called deviance isnprmal.
Who am I to argue with it

U r behaving Just like d archaic old men who beloved that earth was flat

I don't need to join ur camp

Science or nothing...

Chillisauce: Fine soup? Eh, pls unload abeg. Meanwhile I'm a vegetarian now.

But I still get meat for freezer wey I suppose chop. How I wan do am

Chillisauce: Because they are the neck, the neck is nothing without the head. Where dem wan go?

Mondisweets: funny how he claimed i was basing my argument on what i read from a "fictional story" , yet he cant even show me where she mentioned anything about women's rights being violated from the same fictional story

Mondisweets: please just show me the women's rights you are saying she claimed to have been violated and i will definitely thank u later

pickabeau1: All still sentiments
I have made my opinion on gays known

They r who they are and they can't change it
Science has shown that to be so also

That's the fact on ground but you as usual spout some spiel about pitting one camp or sly

There is no conspiracy here...

Mondisweets: im agreeing with you, thats why i said that

Mondisweets: tell me about it

Nonso23: If you did it to kill a mosquito feeding of my precious blood, then your gospel against violence is justified.

Mondisweets: please point out the woman's rights that she claimed to be violated because all i saw was a violations of the rights and wellbeing of minor children. I would really love for u to show us specifically where she referred to women's rights...