₦airaland Forum

mpumalanga: Who made you the prince of SS,NC and NE?Why are so angry with people that want to go so that your so called
big cities will be depopulated.

Yes, I am a prince and it's good you noticed it. Now back to the topic.

^Instead of you people to tell where Sheka us, you are dancing azonto around the fatwa issued on this man!

boyendowed: ...and this tribalistic thread made the front page?Seun and Mukina2 should simply come out and tell Igbos that they are not welcomed on nairaland

For goodness sake, stop seeing tribalism in everything, even if it does not favor you or have nothing to say. Now, go back and address the topic with thought and seriousness!

kufre2010: We once contacted some pressmen but they asked us to pay huge some of money b4 they publish our story. We didn't have such money.

Sad but this is how the country has become utterly corrupt. Not to point fingers, have you NEVER heard of SaharaReporters? Those are the first guys you should be talking to and not all this useless, corrupt newspapers bought and paid by PDP. If Ogbonovo is a thieft (corrupt policeman), is PDP signpost for corruption, how do you think a PDP bought media will publish your story? Go to SR, and they will do their investigations not all this thieving media in Nigeria. Also, take your story publication and post it on NLand, yes right here! Tweet it, Facebook it, let those bastards know that Nigerians means business!

But tell your people too to stop killing Nigerians, charge and bail, loitering, arresting food or innocent people so they can pay their way out. I wish you luck in the case!

mai gaskiya: atimes wen i se pepl lyk u coment on ds thread i wondr d level of edu u had.ask ur history teacher 2 tel u wic tribe dorminatd d army b4 d war.wic tribe hs d most wel triand combat oficers b4 d war nd ws evidncd in d batle field.4 those dat care 2 knw abot d faith of banjo.maybe lok 4 pepl dat fougt d war nt ur fada dat ws takng shai at d confort of hs home clingng 2hs radio nd also nt soldges dat re cooks bt d combat soges u wil kmw wat transperd btwn banjo ifeguna nd gen ojukwu

So, what do you say of the topic, as clarified? I don't think personal attacks or technicalities are of any help in unraveling WHY of this topic? It would be nice if you took on the topic as a man and address it squarely!

bittyend: Don't you guys get tired of this civil war crap?

We need to move on!!

Bitty, this is NOT about the Civil War at ALL. Read the topic again and that is why I put in a clarification.

Na wah o...making a thread to announce salary payment!

Every Nigerian from anywhere deserve a chance to be president and should take it when that opportunity does arise. However, from this interview here are some points that are of note:

1. Ibos may not have directly declared war in 1967 (they were in no position to that anyway) but they indirectly declared or invited war by secession. Secession is an act of war.

2. There are Nigerians who are Ibo who can be president but some people can now point to the fact that Jonathan actively campaigned as the ibo president with his Ebekechukwu Azikiwe name

3. Good that Ikedife points out the importance of other Nigerians in getting elected but the biafram ibos have made enemies of a lot of ibos by their empty boastfulness, chest beating, unfounded arrogance and greed for other people's land and resources. This was one of the reasons why they were chased out in 1966/67 that led to the civil war. Time they learned from it, otherwise history might just repeat itself.

4. There's nothing to say that ibos have invested more than other Nigerians, this is just stupid talk that alienates other people. That one man builds a 10 M naira house and another man builds a 500,000 naira and spends his money raising a 100 cows as business, it is beyond stupid to insinuate that a man who has the house has invested more. This is one of the reason why Nigeria is not making progress because if a policeman or soldier works for only a salary of 100,000 naira but puts his life on the line for every man who makes 10 million naira, how can you say that the latter made more investment? The professor who learns the secret of science and imparts knowledge of unquantifiable proportions to students who may devise knowledge to change and make the world better but earns an annual salary of 10 M has not contributed less than another man who imports 100 M container of motorcycle into the country for sale. The giftings, talents, training and interests of every man will be different but what is important is to make contribution to the country. So if 40 M people from some states in the north contribute their best in their areas of strength and 30 M ibos contribute their best in whatever form, it does not mean they have done more just because they go to Lagos, Kano, or their villages to do whatever they do.

I think the first step is to withdraw every biafaran from SS, SW, MB, NE, NC, NW back to their ancestral land. People who try to eat their cakes and have it are usually killed and they should avoid this kind of trouble. Imagine Lagos and the big cities of Nigeria become free again from the overpopulation caused by everyone in the SE wanting to migrate there. This is indeed one of the problems with Nigeria where one prosperous man/state/people must be eaten until he is no better than the poor folks. Same problem for the SS where the whole country just must eat them into poverty! Na wah for this country oo

[quote author=Rhino.5dm]Nothing will happen. Ibo people are cowards.[/quote]That is really not necessary. We are talking about youths here and I can understand where you are coming from. The question is when will these USELESS governments protect the people? How can any madman kill people and never be caught, apprehended or jailed? Prayer will not solve this problem and this killers will surface somewhere to repeat this despicable act. When will Nigerians stop supporting useless leaders who go around with dozens of security personnel but will not secure the life of ordinary citizens by fighting for state police? What solution would these useless leaders come up with to ensure that killers never have another chance to kill again??

Malawian: really? What about benjamin adekunle aka the black scorpion? What about tinubu? And why was OBJ hidding under the bed when murtala was shot up? Now, about the coup and what not, Gideon orkar did a coup in which a norther leader was killed, why was it not labelled a middle beltan coup? Why was the middle beltan not anihiliated as a result? Diya and co also did a failed coup, now i accept the coward was sorry for his sins to the point of crying like one with a big pr!ck inside his anus, but why wasnt it labelled a yoruba coup? Why wasnt the yoruba anihiliated as a result? Yorubas are always in the habit of rilling igbos into unneccessary debates so that they can beat their cowardly chest all the time. Just the other day, a northern leader called them cowards in many words but rather than face the man, they found a way to drag igbos into it. We are not the cowards here, that would be you guys. Now for an analogy, immagine there is a cake atop a stool resting on a tripod, the cake in question is fair game. When two sides conspire to cut off one of the legs, guess where the cake would land? I can understand yoruba befudlement at igbo continued progress despite everything they had thrown at them. Our answer is this, while you were focusing on us, we were focusing on us. I have a lot on my mind but i will be back if time permits. I have a yoruba neighbour to roast this night and i am off to the chemist to buy bandage. Thats right bandage. Cant be having a rubbish eating away at my nut. See you guys laters. Off i go to roast em.

Mister, you have shifted the focus of the conversation. Answer the question (look at my clarification in my last post). The distractions you are throwing up are OOPs (out of points).

macjive01: dont be silly , banjo left the troops at ore while he went to ibadan to negotiate nonsense which was against ojukwu's directive.
ojukwu had directed him to march down to lagos, Biafrans only advantage was the element of surprise. which Banjo dissipated by negotiating at ibadan who subsequently BETRAYED banjo by informing Lagos.

[size=18pt]If the LIBERATING force had gotten to Lagos - FORGET IT! - by now, the Mars rover-curiosity would have been a project of the Biafran space Mission. (BIASM) [/size]

Thumbs up guys! We already knew that Banjo was killed but the devil is in the details. You are no authority on the happenstance of the day as you were NOT there so no need to take a role beyond you. So answer the question: was biafra "betrayed" when Chief Awolowo who had no iota of agreement with ojuku carried out his responsibility to his people? In case you are still confused, here is the definition of the word:

[size=20pt]be·tray/biˈtrā/

Verb:

Be disloyal to (one's country, organization, or ideology) by acting in the interests of an enemy.[/size]

Can you show us the pact/agreement Chief Awolowo had with ojuku? This is the crux of the matter and hopefully, you will be man enough not to skirt around the question.

van bonattel: The person who started this topic is just a bizaga, not just a common bizaga, he is a babizuan bizaga! idiotta

its a shame that you cannot prove your mental mettle by pitching in on this debate, maybe you will be able to show some new insight or revelation! cmon dende is an old man who i understand is already senile and cannot decipher is right from his left. common, man up boy and say your mind!

Favben: What a useless rant by Op, full of sound and fury signifying nothing...I gat better things to do; next!

well no need for the tripe. acquit yourself like a man if you have any wisdom to share. even if you don't there's a pretty healthy debate in which you may have be having your only chance to influence written history.

macjive01: If they go back to east how will there service their market- as in replenish their goods, since the FG has made sure no seaport works in the whole Eastern Nigeria ?

Dayokanu my friend, do u realise if Akwa-ibom completes the seaport at Ibam with their Igbo partners- 30% of igbos in lagos would leave.

all Igbos are asking is a little bit of help from FG- we only need a few billion dollar loan- we will surely pay back , to facilitate the venture.

respect yourself and stop distracting this thread begging the odechukwu FG to do their job after you voted him in and let him dig a $ 60 B hole which the country will pay later. back to the issue, so you agree clearly the DOUBLE standard and delusional stand of the ibos on their lies against Chief Awolowo. if you disagree and still have more points, post them here and see there are no insults just asking for the text of the promise made to Ojuku by Chief Awolowo about the war. research well and come back with a coherent answer.

BlackPikiN: There's a video on youtube where a child soldier from the SW who fought the civil war confessed that the Igbos were a hardnut to crack!

He said out of 100 Nigerian soldiers only 5 or 6 come back home alive.

It's so funny that Nigerian army celebrated the killing of Biafran civillians and they termed it war. lol

The frustration was so high that they(Nigerian army) bombed churches, market squares and schools.
Meanwhile the Biafran soldiers were out there killing them in bulk!
E no go better for those people o.

I will post the video as soon as I find it.

don't post an irrelevant video here when you can open your own thread. posting such distracts the thread and before you know it, you will see others flood this site with terrible pictures of the war and suffering of millions during the war but hey it's your call. don't complain though because this is how you look for trouble. the war was lost by biafra, Nigeria won the war convincingly, so move on. It's like a student who failed a course and says and I was the one teaching all my friends and I got 9/10 in the first test! hahaha

Dede1: The above post is a typical crap from drooling Nigerian dingbat. What an idiotic and loudmouthed numbskull that thinks everybody on this forum lives in the same earth hole as you do. From your first post, especially where you claimed to have toyed with 1911, to the above one with your ADC crap, a canteen rat could easily deduce you are a putrid-mouthed fool who do not understand an iota of military parlance. Any toad from a military family will understand the consequences of any dereliction on OPORD.

It is nice to see a jackass such as you flaunt innate ignorance on this forum. I guess laud mouthing is definitely inherent strait found among certain people in Nigeria. I shall not positively contribute to the process that will get dullard such as wiser by providing answers to your silly question.

this is why you remain a joke on this forum and an inconsequential in real life. with the way everyone calls you pa, you show no measure of sense to carry yourself with any atom of dignity. but dede, answer this question and tell us how you ate the cake on your plate and still had it on the same plate? no yucky stories or delusionary cake on the plate, I mean the same cake? if you can, then you can proceed to present an answer to the question. and these your internet insults from an old man is ridiculous and unfitting. stop it.

BlackPikiN: You not making anysense!

Show me the progress in your region!

Igbo people die, You jubilate, I con say show me the progress in your region, you begin dey sing same old song.

tell your answer to the topic blackpickin. we can talk about progress later or you look into published nigerian statistics. be a man and don't shy away from this so easily.

macjive01: cyberG, how old are u , if you dont mind me asking ?

please peruse the previous pages, you will find where i clearly revealed the treachery of banjo and awolowo

when did ojuku reach an agreement with Chief Awolowo such that it amounts to betrayal? what exactly was told to ojuku in person (face to face) by Chief Awolowo on which he hinged a 3 Million human lives bet, on which the entire money in the central bank of SE Nigeria was exhausted and charged the people helping feed the hungry landing fees? According to records, NO such promise / pact was made but the man who gave ojuku's plan a chance, secured an agreement with is not the betrayer while marching an army on his native land but when it became mission impossible, he is a betrayer?

Once common denominator which you are helping other ibos to see is this: if something or someone that belongs to another place can be used by me against himself and his loyalties, it is OKAY and not a betrayer but when the same person wakes up and is unable to complete the foolishness, he becomes your betrayer. Also, when someone (Chief Awolowo) looked out for his people and did not flinch in making the tough and right decisions in the interest of his people after warning you he is a BETRAYER to you to whom he had no direct responsibility but when ojuku who was directly responsible goes out on a limb to bring 3 M+ death and destruction and losses and takes off after people died for his cause it is not betrayal? Hmmmm...see http://chatafrik.com/articles/nigerian-affairs/item/321-why-do-igbos-always-go-looking-for-trouble?.html

By the WAY: the russians did not fly any of the aircraft that were involved in the war, check your facts properly. Yes, the planes were russian planes but flown mostly by egyptian, trained Nigerian pilots and mercenaries used by BOTH sides of the war. In fact, it is on record that the mercenaries deliberately refused to bomb the air-strip as they knew and had some kind of comradeship with the pilots that flew aid into biafra. Check this fact VERY well and then OPEN ANOTHER thread if you want to discuss it.

macjive01: [size=18pt]CYBER -G, THE BIAFRAN FORCE what was sent to SW to LIBERATE your coward nation is like USA forces in gulf war 1 LIBERATING KUWAIT from Saddam Hussein. [/size]

yet what did Ojukwu get - treachery, back -stabbing, barber-seat flip-flopper, cowardice and lazy-fright-stu.p.idity

you're comparing apples with stones (not even oranges). while the SW was never under any kind of need for liberation, your statement appears to have been pulled out from another planet. unlike kuwait, nothing was seized or annexed up till today its like saying the fct of abuja is annexed because goodfluck is the president today. so your point was pulled from where the sun does not shine. but i think you are getting somewhere: how can it be a betrayal of ibos when Awolowo NEVER owed ojukwu anything and he told him clearly to not go to war but Lt. Col. Banjo who was co-opted by ojukwu is not a betrayer? Is it because it served your own cause or ojukus and it was a benefit to you at least temporarily until the complete rout and capitulation of the biafara which started at Ore??

In a nutshell, it is NOT a betrayal when something serves your personal, selfish and temporary purpose but when the same thing does not, it becomes a betrayal even when you were told before hand?

macjive01: [size=18pt]dayakanu, the problem with you is that you under estimate the sheer biblical strength of the Igbos.[/size]


go and ask any solider who fought the war till the end.

pound for pound - in terms of how many soldiers died- the Biafran military defeated Nigerian forces hands down, despite having a more rudiment weapon. ( Biafran are master tacticians )

Biafran Achilles heel was the kwashoiko which was allien to the masses, it was new and had no know treatment- hence killed a lot of people.
it is estimated that 3m biafrans died in the war, of that 2.7 were children and women.

towards the end of the war Biafrans turned the tide with guerrilla warfare of which small units were dispersed to various FG locations to wittle down the f.u.cktards.

towards the end of the war, biafran suddenly began to have better equipment- this was necessitated from the levy ojukwu charged the Aid /humanitarian agencies.which was subsequently used to buy arms, as well as improvement in the potency of the OGWUNIKWE -mass destroyer

toward the end of the war , Biafran began to win back territories, may be more like displace FG forces at Biafran territories. do you know till the last day of war, fight was still on going at calabar, where the first shot was fired ?

well, you are distracting this topic with irrelevant posting. open another thread and your topic will be addressed.

yarodin: Oh yes they were civilians, but I bet they still eat, shiit and fck. Anymore excuses Ndi Yoruba manu?

sad that you are not man enough or mentally deep to haphazard any answer to the question. yes, ojukuw ran from the firestorm and tyrannical abacha oppressed nigerians but ANSWER the question. even if you will lie about it, just answer it directly first, then i will tell you the next step.

yarodin: Ode buruku, did I say Yoruba manu is a bad thing? Claim your title with pride.

no need to resort to distractions, no one cares really. why not respond to the topic and address it like a man?

nne3870: life has taught me humility... I learnt it d hard way. I use to think i could get anything i want bt after i lost my dad, earth became a strange place and i had to humble me to get what i deserve

Are u an actress, nollywood?

yarodin: ;

haba but your soups are Yoruba manu now, I don't know about "yorobah" but the shiit is funny walahi.

When ibo region progressed the most, you know their major product palm oil - used for "Yoruba". You now shaite, denigrate and impugn the handiwork of your ancestors which they pride themselves over? Most of them got their first break, education in palm oil business used for ofemmau.

Gold in corruption

Silver in Cassava breading

Bronze in BH

Abali1: I did not want to answer your question because it was going to raise more questions from you.
Banjo as well as Ojukwu is a millitary officer. So he recognised the word "treason"(that is actually debatable).
As a millitary officer if you carry out a coup or attempt to carry out a coup or associate with those planning a coup... most often than not the penalty is Death.
So banjo was killed because of what he did or was about to do(how truthful this coup story is, is debatable).

If I knew you in real life, you're someone that I would like to talk to. You seem to be a lot like my Igbo friends and yes, you and I were most probably not born a long time after the war was over. I know war is not easy and lets face it, in a war the luckiest dead might be the ones who got killed by a single bullet while a lot died slowly, got torn into shreds by shrapnel, etc. It still is saddening that things like that happened but now it's history and there's nothing that can be done to erase it but just learn from it.

I know how and why (official reason) why Banjo was killed and I am not even here to challenge that at all. [size=16pt]The goal of this thread is to let Igbos think: wait a minute, how come the igbos say or think it is okay for Banjo, who had a pact and understanding with Ojukwu, to lead an army against his people but when someone (Chief Awolowo) who NEVER made an agreement or pact with Ojukwu looked out for his, it BECOMES A BETRAYAL? Think about it objectively and you will see it makes no sense, outright lie, and an attempt to blame another person for ones failure. [/size]

[quote author=One_Naira]Would you people STFU about Delta Igbos. If una no sabi sh1t about us, mechionu gi. You people continue to spread rumors and that is why there is a division among SE and SS Igbos. Like wtf is you people's problem? When did we tell you people that we are not Igbos? what day, what hour, what second did we have a meeting with you people and your communities and told you people that we aren't Igbos. Na by force to speak for others, why the f2k do you people continue to speak for us on this Goddamn website and yes I am a Delta Igbo and yes I am getting tired of you yorubas always speaking for us either creating an Id pretending to be one of us until caught or flat out talking about the community with ignorance. I don't know about anyone else but I am getting irritated with ish. If una no sabi sh1t about a community, why in heck do you people continue to speak and act you sabi it? Travel out of your villages and go learn about a community, if you people do not want to do then keep us out of your bs, keep shut, don't speak for us because we sure as he11 not speaking for you people. Stop forcing your ideology on us, na wa ooo!!!.[/quote]Me chionu ewu ofensala! I will have to treat your fvuck up on this one. That some ibos took refuge there in 1967 does not mean they are ibos. Just like you go to Lagos or born there does not mean you are now a Yoruba just the same way Ojuku was born in zungeru does not mean he is an Hausa man. Gerrit? Now, you can dream up yourself to come from anywhere but the Deltans are several millions >>>>>>> YOU! When one ibo man went to marry a deltan woman, and could not return home from the foreign land, it does not mean his offsprings are now all ibos! I hope your kid brain can understand this simple analogy. Yes, it still means nothing if 100,000 of you come to post the same crap here!

Dede1: Cyberfool

I thought you were a competent fool. Above post had proven you are irredeemably foolish. Are you not the same jackass who claimed your NCO father allowed you to play with 1911 when you were 7-year old? I guess you will be toddler forever. When field commander derelicts on duty and such actions led to the loss of opportunity, materials or lives while the commander is leading a military offensive, the officer will be shot.

It is extremely idiotic of you to mention my father who would have you buried alive in the presence of a 3 M people and there's NOTHING you will do about it! And people say you are a pa? What a useless lying old bald man! Oh and his rank? You will be drooling if you knew and his ADCs bitc.h-slap useless nonentities like you until I tell them either kill him or leave him...LOL. By the way, the weapons we played with were from the guards and yes, idiots like you never had such privileges in your fuc.ked up life.

Didn't want to distract the thread but will not let a nonentity mention my dad with his putrid mouth. Back to topic, I responded to the two posters who did not understand the import of this thread. For you, you are only trying to pretend like you don't know. Read those posts and return here with an appropriate defense. Tell me WHY!?

Abali1: Tribalism... Tribalism ...Tribalism

Why did Ojukwu kill Banjo?
Even if the op where to get an honest answer, will he accept it? Will he not look at it as an excuse to exonerate a tribe from wrong doing?
Many of the answers the op seeks about the civil can be gotten from different accounts of those that were involved... some have written books about the genesis of the war(albeit from there own perspective), Some of the authors include Alexander Madiebo and Obasanjo(just to site a few).

As per Ojukwu leading his people to a war that killed over 3million people, I will like to ask the op what he would have done differently if he were confronted with the same situation Ojukwu was faced?

Let me paint a scenerio here...

Men from your tribe carried out a partial coup (killing of people from other ethnic groups). A counter coup was carried out six months later. After it seems that calm will return(as promised by different leaders at the time), the same ethnic group(NORTH) went ahead with a Genocide, killing women and children in their thousands.

A call was made for everyone to go back to his region, the East gave a safe passage to their Northern counterparts(even allowing the Northern soldiers to go back with their weapons), but the same gesture was not reciprocated.

As the millitary Governor of the eastern region, will the op sit down in the comfort of his office and allow the attrocities agains his people to continue?

Ojukwu was faced with an almost impossible situation... sit back and watch his people be sluttered or Call for a secession ? A secession is not really a call for war. So when the Federal forces decided to force the Igbo's back into the Union, without really addressing the fundamental issue of Safety for Lives and Property, did the op imagine that Ojukwu will in all good conscience allow his people to be "wiped off"?

You missed the point or you did not want to see it so I will have to re-focus the conversation. Like I told another poster,you didn't understand what this discussion exposes the double standard, outright falsehood and propaganda-pregnancy of ibos and not the number of victims of the war. Read it again and look at the arguments being made, it's really easy to see that.

Other issues you raised are immaterial to this debate and will be better on their own thread and we can thrash it out.

caseless: Crisis brew btw yoruba and d n'digbo wt dz thread. Bros, almost 3 milion i heard died in d name of biafra. So na only col. Banjo name u fit remember? SMH

You didn't understand what this discussion exposes the double standard, outright falsehood and propaganda-pregnancy of ibos and not the number of victims of the war. Read it again and look at the arguments being made, it's really easy to see that.

If Nigerians spent more time fixing the current situation rather than digging up history (good for learning and knowledge) about dead past leaders, Nigeria will be better much faster.