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MaxInDHouse:
My brother it's as if you grew up in the truth so there are so many things you must learn about Churchgoers and their feelings.
Of course there is no real faith anywhere in the churches of Christendom each person just want to be commended with whatever he/she thinks about the TRINITY. When anyone has been cheated or humiliated due to his excessive confrontation with the elders of a Church he/she either leave the church for another or start his/her own movement which will eventually become another Church. Now this is why Jesus referred to them as "workers of Iniquity", instead of continue standing in opposition to the church out of which they were frustrated, they will look for all means to multiply followers and once they're able to gather enough to stand side by side with other existing chuches they automatically become another denomination!
And what about the church they left? That one is no more to be opposed publicly again but secretly they will be instigating their followers against the members of other Churches.

Adeboye and the founder of RCCG were members of C&S (white garment church) but today Members of RCCG speaks scornfully against the white garment churches.
Kumuyi was disfellowshiped from JWs, he joined another Church and was humiliated. Today Deeperlife is like a denomination, watch his followers closely, you'll notice that they don't see others as born again like themselves but since they're not competent enough to prove others wrong as Kumuyi himself don't have anything unique to infuse in their brains, they just act strangely towards all other Churches.
The one and only Organization globally that's preaching and teaching what is unique and stood out from all of them is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that's why they will all come together hypocritically to condemn the JWs.
All these people you're seeing have nothing as in NOTHING in their brains to preach or teach, you'll see them in busstops, streets and inside public transport mimicking the same thing always but there is no substance in what they're saying.
So if you agree with them that there is no problem about doctrine, and assure them that it's just good manners that's needed for them to go to heaven. They will invite you to come and say it and even televise it for the whole world to hear what they've been yearning to hear from JWs!

They’re all secret admirers of Jehovah’s Witnesses but due to the fact that others would oppose them, it keeps them in fear and they’re always agitated.

Their case is similar to that of the Jews in Jesus’ day who were also secretly admiring him and his disciples but they were in constant fear of being expelled from the synagogue[John 12:42]—they also examined the way Jesus’ disciples were properly trained and fully equipped in advancing the Kingdom good news[Matthew 10:1-13, Luke 10:1-12]—something that their own religious leaders couldn’t even dream of pulling off.


So it comes as no to surprise to us. 1John 3:13
As long as we aren’t wallowing in the same mud with them[Trinity], they’ll keep on vilifying and maligning Jehovah’s name because we’ve chosen not to carry on in their hypocritical acts of interfaith[2Corinthians 6:17] and also because we’ve chosen to be no part of their world.
John 15:18-20

jesusjnr2020:
[s]You can keep basking in the figments of your imaginations if it makes you feel better about yourself, but I'm not going to waste my time arguing with swines who've decided to bond themselves with ignorance and filthy lies till death do them part, because it proven to be of no use to them.
So let's stop deviating snd get back to the topic of this thread which is about being a true Christian.
Are you a witness of Christ as Christ instructed His disciples to be?
If no, then you're not true Christians as you falsely claim to be, but Antichrists![/s]

I used your logic on you now you want to revert to the main topic. Smart guy.
Next time think twice before putting up these kind of threads.

jesusjnr2020:
Only an Antichrist would say that Jesus is God just as Moses was.

Go and rip out Exodus 7:1 from your Bible if you don’t want to agree with that Scripture.

Jesus said He was before Abraham. John 8:58
For this reason Antichrists like you wanted to stone Him, so can you tell me how Jesus who was before Abraham, be God as Moses who wasn't before Abraham?

That’s true. The same way billions of other angels including Gabriel existed before this earth was even created talk less of Abraham.
Job 38:7, Revelation 5:11

God said He would not share His glory with another (Isaiah 42:

Moses was the visible representative whom everyone was seeing that was contending with Pharaoh and was the one who led Israel out of Egypt yet the Exodus 20:2 says that God single-handedly brought the Israelites out of Egypt because God is the only one who must take the glory[credit] for himself and he won’t share that with anybody, not even Moses.

We know what happened when Moses tried to take the glory[credit] for supplying water to the Israelites in the wilderness. It didn’t end well for Moses. Numbers 20:10-12, Psalm 106:32-33

yet Jesus said:
"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." John 17:5 (KJV)
So can you tell me if Jesus was now another since God shared His glory with Him before the world was, or is it because He is one with God as God Himself is?

In other words, Jesus is simply saying in prayer to SOMEONE ELSE, not to himself:
“Restore me to the exalted state that I had while I was in heaven as a spirit creature”

According to Acts 3:13, God indeed answered that prayer and glorified his Servant by resurrecting him to spirit life. 1Peter 3:18

David said:
"The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?" Matthew 22:44 (KJV)
Who were the two Lords that David talked about? Was it God and an angel, or God and Jesus who is one with God as God is?

Don’t you see the irony? As in can’t you see that the Scripture you quoted will only land you in more trouble?
@Psalm 110:1, the greater LORD[JEHOVAH] is commanding the lesser Lord[Jesus] to sit at his right hand. That should automatically tell that they’re two distinct persons if one is ordering the other around. For the very reason that Jesus was sent on an errand automatically makes him an ANGEL. John 6:38

On a side note, let’s just assume that Scripture even supports your Trinity. How come the holy spirit is not mentioned if it is a person? Or is the holy spirit at God’s left hand?

If at this point you've not yet seen how ignorant and false your idea that Jesus is God just as Moses is, then your case is beyond redemption and nothing can be done to help you.

You reek of hypocrisy because you don’t like it when similar logic is applied to expose the faults of Trinity god. Don’t worry yourself it’s not today this one started.

Lest i forget, i'd ask again, are you a witness of Jesus as Jesus instructed His disciples to be?
If not, you're not true Christians as you falsely claim, but antichrists and hence justify this thread!

What you should be asking me is if I’m a witness for your Trinity and that would be a resounding NO.

God bless.

Did I ask you to bless me in the name of your God? I’ve already told you that you’ll suffer in my hands when you ignorantly put up threads like these.

jesusjnr2020:
[s]The mere fact that you're still repeating the same John 17:22 that has put you and your group's idea that Jesus is not God to shame, means that you're absolutely shameless.
Jesus is One with the Father because He is God as the Father is.
The disciples can be one as Jesus and His Father is because each disciple is human as the other disciples are.
They all came from one Father Adam, and ought to be one but sin caused division among them. Hence through obedience of God's Word which is Jesus, they humans shall become one again even as Jesus who is God and the Son of God is One with the Father.
I hoped this would put an end to your blind argument once and for all.
By the way you've not yet answered the simple question I asked if you're witnesses of Christ as Christ instructed His disciples to be?
As long as you keep dodging this question, you keep proving you're not true Christians as you claim but Antichrists, and hence justify this thread![/s]

Yes yes yes, Jesus Christ said that he is ONE and in UNION with the Father[God] so that makes him God according to you. John 14:10
And even the disciples are also ONE and in UNION with God so that makes them God too, right? 1John 4:13-15
It seems I’m making it a habit of publicly disgracing you on your threads.

jesusjnr2020:
Chai! jesusjnr don suffer... I no blame you though... Na myself wey decide to cast my pearls before swines that made them to become emboldened in their ignorance and filthy lies, I blame.

Okay you’ve assumed that your Trinity doctrine has some leverage over the REAL Bible truth? Guy don’t flatter yourself, your Trinity belongs in the wastebin. The earlier you realise this the better for you.

shadeyinka:
Do you concur that Jesus is a false lesser god?

I think you’re getting this wrong. A God becomes false when he/it requires worship/devotion that doesn’t belong to him/it. For this reason, Satan can be aptly regarded as a false God.
Matthew 4:9, 2Corinthians 4:4

Jehovah is the true God who requires exclusive devotion[Exodus 34:14, Deuteronomy 4:24,39; Nahum 1:2] because he deserves the worship which so rightly belongs to him. Revelation 4:11

Faithful humans and angels have been called lesser Gods. Exodus 7:1, Psalm 8:5, John 10:34-35
Yet not one of them demanded worship.
Acts 10:26, 2Peter 2:11, Revelation 19:10

Even Jesus—a lesser God—never demanded worship from anybody. Instead he directly all forms of worship to the true God who deserves it.
Matthew 6:9, John 4:23-24

So how can Jesus be a false God when he never asked for anyone to worship him?

MaxInDHouse:
TRINITY won't allow him to think of anything out of that box, no matter how clear your explanation TRINITY stands taller than the truth to them!

He’s even trying to justify his ignorance instead of accepting correction.

jesusjnr2020:
[s]The Truth obviously sounds like a broken record to you so no surprises there for someone who's a child of falsehood and lies.
Jesus is God, because He is God the Word that was also made flesh, so that tallies with Him being the Son of God and also God even if your antichrist mindset cannot process that fact. Check John 1:1 to cure your ignorance.
But let's not deviate from the real topic of discussion here, which is that you cannot claim to be true Christians and not be witnesses of Christ as Christ Himself had instructed.
So instead of dodging of my simple question, prove to me you're true Christians as you claim and not Antichrists as I believe by answering it.
Are you witnesses of Christ as Christ instructed His disciples to be?
If you still dodge it, it would prove you're nothing but antichrists and justify this thread![/s]

Yes, Jesus is a God the same way Moses was a God[Exodus 7:1], the same way too that other human beings were called Gods[Psalm 82:6]
Jesus simply isn’t the true God whom he was praying to the last night before his death.
John 17:3

I thought you were going to show me where the Scriptures said that I must believe that Jesus is God to gain everlasting life? Or I must believe in this your fabricated Trinity to be saved? So far we’ve seen what John 20:31 has to say because there outlines that we must believe that Jesus is the Son of God, not that he is God, in order to gain everlasting life. Compare John 17:3

jesusjnr2020:
I thought you'd instead show me where Jesus said His disciples should also One with God as He was, instead of that they all being humans should also be one with themselves?
That statement should have also taught you if you didn't want to remain in your ignorance, but really wanted to learn, that He was One with the Father because He was not just of the same mind and agreement with God, but also God Himself, the Word, for it took similar personalities to be one with each other in that respect, hence His saying that the disciples who were all humans to also be one with themselves.
You should stop embarrassing yourself because that statement just debunked your idea that Jesus was not also God and hence confirmed your Antichrist status, because it proved that Jesus being One with God was in the sense of the Three in One, despite your rejection of His Godly form!
You reject the Godly form of Jesus like the Pharisees yet want to claim to be the true Christians. Lol! Keep deceiving your-antichrist-selves.

I see that John 17:22 has spelled doom for you and your Trinity god.

All of Jesus’ disciples will be ONE
just as he[Jesus] and his Father[Jehovah] are ONE.

“Just as” simply means the same manner, the same way etc
Go and read John 17:20-23 carefully because all these long epistles won’t help you. We know your type already, when logic is applied the proper way, instead of you seeing the faults with your Trinity garbage, you’ll still want to claim right.

jesusjnr2020:
Christ also said He's One with the Father, so you have proven you're an antichrist for calling Christ a liar!

Christ also said that all his disciples will be ONE just as he and his Father are ONE.
John 17:22

Certainly, his disciples did not turn into a mishmash of personalities but being ONE simply means that all of his disciples would be of the same line of thought and in agreement.
2Corinthians 13:11

So that’s the same with Jesus and his Father because it just simply means that both of them enjoy a closely knit relationship and are united in the same thought and purpose.
Matthew 11:27, John 14:10

So next time you try to misconstrue John 10:30, think about the above points.

jesusjnr2020:
They claimed to be "Jehovah Witnesses" despite being antichrists who deny and despise the Son just like you do, so you're no different, hence Jesus on that occasion was also speaking to you who claim to be "Jehovah witnesses" despite that you're also liars and hypocrites as the Pharisees!
So you're actually the one making the blunder here thinking you're exposing the Pharisees not knowing that you're hence also exposing your group!
Keep Jesus instructions if you want to claim to be true Christians otherwise nothing "true Christians" for you!

jesusjnr2020:
Jesus instructed that His disciples be His witnesses, so are you His witnesses?
That's the simple question you must answer and stop beating about the bush.
If you're not, then the fact is that you're not true Christians for true Christians must keep Jesus instructions and be His witnesses!

Other than continuously yelling “Antichrist, Antichrist” like a broken record, is there anything else in that empty skull of yours?
Jehovah’s Witnesses say and believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of Jehovah God, in line with Matthew 16:16 & 2Corinthians 1:19
Meanwhile you claim that Jesus is God? Thereby rejecting him as the Son and clearly putting him on par with his Father and God. Something that he never ever claimed to be.
Mark 10:18, John 14:28, Philippians 2:7

After all, John[one of Jesus’ closest confidants] penned down in his inspired Gospel that we can get everlasting life only when we believe that Jesus is the Son of God. John 20:31
So there’s nowhere in the Scriptures that says we must believe that Jesus is God for we to be saved, proving that the Trinity doctrine has no bearing on one’s hope of everlasting life.

Makes you wonder who exactly is the “antichrist” between you and the Witnesses?
1John 2:22-24, 4:15

Ubenedictus:
if you are going to be Joining everything written "woman" there is also woman in Gal 4:4

I’m not just joining any and everything. Genesis 3:15[which doesn’t apply to Eve] and Galatians 4:26 are in harmony with the “woman” at Revelation 12:1 and there are several reasons for this.

jesusjnr2020:
You missed the part where a true Christian ought to keep the instructions of Jesus for obvious reasons, because you don't do that, like His instruction for His disciples to be witnesses unto Him.
You can't possibly be a true Christian if you don't have any regard for the instructions of Christ!

That’s exactly what I’m asking you. Which religious group where ALL its members are currently fulfilling and obeying all of Jesus’ commands with regards to:

1. Preaching and teaching vehemently from the Bible about God’s Kingdom from house to house?
Matthew 24:14, 28:19-20, Acts 5:42, 20:20

2. Remaining separate from the world i.e. not engaging in worldly conduct and neutral in political affairs?
John 15:18-20, 17:14-16 compare 1Peter 4:3 & James 1:27

3. Supporting and advocating for God’s Kingdom as the only hope of mankind? Matthew 6:10, John 18:36

4. Have intense love for their fellow members to the extent that outsiders think they’re all mindless zombies and brainwashed?
John 13:34-35 compare Galatians 6:10, 1Peter 1:22

5. Refuse to take up weapons of war against their fellow believers or any other HUMAN in fact because of the belief that life is sacred[Exodus 20:13, Psalm 36:9] and love for our neighbour?
Matthew 22:39 compare Isaiah 2:2-4

6. United in the same line of thought and in one form of worship? John 17:20-23, 1Corinthians 1:10

Jesus Christ said that we must continually prove that we are his disciples. John 15:8
So if you cannot show any other religious group fulfilling the above commands that came out from Jesus’ mouth then this thread is completely useless.

jesusjnr2020:
You obviously missed the point thinking that this was to speak against being a witness of Jehovah.
The point is are you a true Christian?
That's the point of this topic not whether Jesus was a Witness of Jehovah or not because the

Pharisees were also that.


But that didn't make the Pharisees to be true Christians and they never claim to be such.
So that's the difference between antichrists like you and them. Say that you're Jehovah Witnesses or Judaists but not lie that you're true Christians for true Christians are witnesses of Christ and you're not that!
God bless.

Whoever denies the Son has denied the Father—1John 2:23
So never make such a blunder again wrt the highlighted words.

jesusjnr2020:
You obviously missed the point thinking that this was to speak against being a witness of Jehovah.
The point is are you a true Christian?
That's the point of this topic not whether Jesus was a Witness of Jehovah or not because the Pharisees were also that. But that didn't make the Pharisees to be true Christians and they never claim to be such.
So that's the difference between antichrists like you and them. Say that you're Jehovah Witnesses or Judaists but not lie that you're true Christians for true Christians are witnesses of Christ and you're not that!
God bless.

You obviously do not even know what the word “Christian” stands for. From your own POV, a “Christian” is one who does good, goes to church to dance and make noise et cetera et cetera.

A true Christian follows directly in the steps/model set by Jesus Christ. 1Peter 2:21
Jesus himself outlined what it meant to be his disciple at Matthew 16:24-25. One must be willing to be selfless, be willing to endure shame, persecution, opposition and even death on account of being his disciple and yet here you are thinking it’s child’s play to the extent that some of you think Jehovah’s Witnesses are brainwashed because they’re zealous when it comes to obeying and keeping God’s commandments even if it means that they will die. John 12:25

There is no need for too much noise. After all Jesus said we will know those who truly belong to him when we examine their works.
Matthew 7:16-20

Go and look for the religious group where all of its members are imitating Jesus Christ and are all zealous for preaching and teaching about God’s Kingdom from house to house.
Matthew 24:14, Acts 5:42

MaxInDHouse:
To an extent they know it's a MYSTERY that no one can comprehend yet they want to preach and teach like true Christians, i wonder how o!

Today one of them will open thread and try to explain their Trinity using action movie characters like DrLiveLogic. Tomorrow another will open thread and try to explain it using three states of matter.
All of them will still end in their usual confused state because the truth has been hidden from them. 2Corinthians 4:3,4

Donspicey:

Thanks alot sir.....
It sure Did.....
God Bless you.......

There’s a whole lot more that you can see on jw.org using the link https://www.jw.org/en/

The front-page articles might be of particular interest to you.

OP are you aware that Jesus Christ himself is the greatest and top-tier member of Jehovah’s Witnesses? Revelation 1:5, 3:14 compare John 18:37

Just say that the JW’s don’t believe in your fabricated and contrived Trinity garbage and stop pointing fingers because it’s not today that one started. John 8:13

If you all choose to worship your mysterious and mystified Trinity god, fine go ahead but leave Jehovah’s Witnesses out of it because they know the God whom they are worshiping
[John 17:3,Ephesians 4:3-5]whereas til today, the identity of this Trinity is not still clear amongst your own church people because you do not know what you’re worshiping. John 4:22

Tcwork:
There are many groups that believe in a general apostasy.
Other organizations believe in so kind of apostasy even if it was not a complete apostasy

No wahala.
Let those groups come and answer your question for you. We are waiting.

Tcwork:
I know, it's a very hard one. Bug it's really important.

You and I both know which religious group is well qualified to deal tactfully and decisively with your question. But let’s keep waiting for the input of others and see what might come up.

MaxInDHouse:
DappaD, are you sure?

Positive.

Let us take our seats and wait for the people who will come and give answers to your question.

uchkochi:
Stop begging God for what is your right. Just demand it. Jesus did not die for you to beg for what He died for. Take your healing now.

The ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ that was provided by God[1Timothy 2:6] and the gift of everlasting life is as a result of God’s undeserved kindness and love. Romans 6:23, 1John 4:10

We are all condemned sinners i.e. dead men walking before God and so we are only deserving of death. Romans 5:18
So if this gift of everlasting life isn’t something we deserve, please remind me, how is it your “right” again? Romans 3:23-24

Donspicey:
TBH sir so many different interpretations but i will be Glad if you can shed more light....

I’d prefer if you just read it yourself and see if it makes sense to you. The link below will provide clear, direct answers to your quest in understanding Revelation 12:1-17.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101988027

Let me know if this provides the answers you’re looking for.

MaxInDHouse:
Brother please do you know where Blabbermouth is hiding?

Seems he’s off the religious section.

@Donspicey, has your question concerning Revelation 12 been answered? In other words, even though everyone has conflicting ideas and beliefs, do you feel okay with what commenters have said concerning the issue or do you need further enlightenment which will be straight to the point?
I know why I’m asking this.

Donspicey:
Amen....
Thanks alot..
DappaD and Jesusjnr2020 what about the Bolded

Concerning just the bolded right? Okay.

I’m also one of Jehovah’s Witnesses and MaxInDHouse’s statement is ambiguous to an extent.

Revelation 12:17 shows that Satan[the dragon] was persecuting the remaining of the woman’s seed here on earth[but further research still needs to be done on the woman’s identity]
The remaining of the woman’s seed has again, another connection with Genesis 3:15 and represents the anointed Christians amongst Jehovah’s Witnesses who while in flesh, have been chosen to rule alongside Jesus Christ.
Compare Galatians 3:26-29
That does not mean we’re forcing our own understanding on you.

My brother MaxInDHouse will do further research and get back to you concerning the identity of the woman and the child at Revelation 12:1-5.
I hope that will be okay?

Donspicey:
according to LivingChrist comment....

That’s his own contribution. Mine’s different.
The “Israel of God” according to Galatians 6:16 is not the fleshly nation of Israel neither is it the “woman” at Revelation 12:1.

Donspicey:

But some commenters here are reffering the woman to be Israel....
I understood every other chapters of Revelation except Rev 12.....highly complicated...

Israel in what sense exactly? The fleshly nation of Israel?

Donspicey:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
So The Book of Revelation is a compilation of past,present and future events.....

No. Just the future events that had not happened before John saw those visions and recorded them. That’s why I’m placing emphasis on Revelation 1:10.
I said Genesis 3:15 was going to help us understand who that “woman” was because it was the first prophecy stated in the Bible and the “woman” in that verse wasn’t talking about Eve.

Donspicey:
Meaning the book of Revelation tells about what happened before Jesus came to die for Humanity


Cos i was thinking that Jesus gave John the Revelation after HE Ascended to Heaven...

Like I earlier told you, all what is recorded in the book of Revelation were future events that had not yet taken place in John’s day. Revelation 1:10

When Jesus came to the earth the first time, he gave his life for our sins as the perfect Lamb[John 2:19] and was resurrected to sit at God’s right hand in heaven first.
Psalm 110:1, Acts 2:34-35

I’m here to tell you that Psalm 110:2 foreshadowed Revelation 6:2 & 12:7-9 because that was when Jesus began ruling and subduing his enemies. Then ousted Satan from heaven to be confined to the earth and that’s why he got furious and things have gotten worse on earth. Revelation 6:4-8, 12:9-12

Donspicey:
Samething i have been thinking but ... post is kind of contrary to my thoughts....

Genesis 3:15 and Galatians 4:26 can help us understand who this “woman” truly is.
Paul speaks of “Jerusalem above” in the latter verse as the “mother” of him and other anointed/chosen Christians.
Compare with Romans 8:14-17 & Galatians 3:26-29

The birth of the “male child” too is closely related to Jesus Christ but in another sense of becoming a King because Revelation 12:5 says that he is to shepherd the nations with an iron rod but it’s not only Jesus who will do this. A few number who go to heaven will also be chosen to “shepherd the nations” with an iron rod as well.
Revelation 2:26-27

This subject is somewhat complex to grasp because there are a number of things about Genesis 3:15 that you must understand first.