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FatherOfJesus:
its all about being pained, I want to learn new things. I don’t want to win the argument. Get that.
Your point is that, if fossil records are not accurate then marsupials joined Noah ark? Is that an accurate logic?
Do you have evidence that marsupials lives outside of Australia?
If you do, present it

You skipped a very vital and important question yet again.

DappaD:

Are Kangaroos the only the animals under the subclass Marsupialia? If not, are Marsupials only found in Australia?

Your stance has been hinged on the notion that Marsupials are only found in Australia and that’s why they couldn’t enter Noah’s ark because of the distance between the Middle East and Australia. I wonder how you even reason, despite the several modes of transportation available at that time then you still asked this baseless question but let’s allow it. Now please answer the above questions? If we ever get to find out that the reverse is the case, then we can throw out your entire argument, yes?

FatherOfJesus:
So now we have evidence that humans have not found all fossils, show us the evidence that marsupials ever lives outside of Australia. Read my statement again. Can you see how inconsistent your logic is?
Because humans have not found all fossils is not an evidence for marsupials joining Noah’s ark.

Perhaps you’re unaware of the RH fallacy you just committed. Your initial focus was on fossil records and now that you’ve seen the other side of the story that humans haven’t discovered all the remains/fossils of ancient creatures, you’ve boldly gone ahead to change your whole narrative?
Pathetic I must say because I wonder who’s the one shifting goalposts here.

FatherOfJesus:
How can I be defensive to arguments full of fallacies?. I tried to explain all these to you because you seem not to understand the basis of what we are talking about.
You have shifted the goal post from, continental drift, to movement by humans, to human/Neanderthal fossils and then now you arrived at a fallacy of appealing to ignorance (because we have not found all fossils then marsupials must have joined Noah’s ark).
It’s funny how you are jumping around. You can’t seem to pin point one exact method to explain how marsupials moved to Middle East during the Noah’s flood.
It’s not very hard to explain if it really happened

If you’re not pained to the heart, you won’t reply to one message twice.
Are Kangaroos the only the animals under the subclass Marsupialia? If not, are Marsupials only found in Australia? You wanted to use fossil records to judge whether an event occurred or not meanwhile there are still a lot of blank spaces that you must fill if we must tow that direction.

FatherOfJesus:
Nope, I can’t say humans have found all fossils, so how does that prove Noah’s flood and also prove how marsupials moved to the ark?

The bolded has already answered your question for you. If that’s still not okay, then there’s a blank space for you to fill.

FatherOfJesus:
you are sure really know the characteristics of marsupials?
If really you know then you might have considered not making this statement.
I will take you through basic characteristics of marsupials and then maybe you can decide by yourself if you analogy with human/neanderthala makes sense.
We have 3 types of mammals; monotreme (example platypus), placental (examples are humans and all mammals in Africa) and marsupials (kangaroos, Tasmanian devils etc).
They are glaringly different in the morphological characteristics which determines their method of delivery their fetus. Monotremes are egg laying mammals hence there young’s develop outside of their parents in an egg. Marsupials give birth to illdeveloped young, they are nurtured in a pouch for months before they are capable of coming out and walking with mom while placental as the name goes carry their baby in their placenta until they are fully developed.

I didn’t ask for a biology lesson. I am well-studied.

Now from the explanation I gave, you think it will be a tall order for a scientist to spot the difference in a marsupial from any other from of mammal when you see their fossils? It’s okay for a scientist to mistake a Neanderthal fossil for homo sapien because they differences are not conspicuous unlike marsupials from their mammals. Neanderthal and the closest relation of modern humans, the three types of mammals are far apart in the evolutionary tree hence have striking differences that any biologist even a rookie will detect.

Okay so you agreed that humans can indeed make mistakes in their findings? Remember that fossils are just minerals found in the ground pertaining to an animal/plant of a particular class/order/genus meaning that the difference will almost be indistinguishable so are you still saying that such mistakes are inevitable, even by an experienced taxonomist?

You also have tried to distorted facts and trying to justify Noah’s flood based on a possible mistake from another different scenario. It’s strawman and faulty equivalence fallacy at the same time. it’s typical of religion.
Now, to put up a good argument, you would have cited with evidence fossil of marsupial outside of Australia. That will be a total justification for the possibility of how marsupials joined the ark but of course like any other religious person, you will distort narratives and never provide evidence for yours. Now, you reach a conclusion that Noah’s flood happened and now you are trying to create evidence to justify it instead of just finding evidence to flowing it where it leads.
Nawa o

I never knew atheists could get so defensive. I posed a question for you earlier I don’t know if you omitted it by mistake?

DappaD:

Or can you categorically state that humans today have discovered all forms of life on land and in the sea? Including the fossils of ALL the ones that went extinct and died in the time past both on land and in the sea? If the answer is no, then your question is already solved.

FatherOfJesus:
How do you explain the absence of any fossil record for marsupials outside of Australia in respect to your explanation? Does this not contradict the idea of having people move these animals around the world, because I these animal would have reproduced , die and even obviously their extinction from other continents will be found in fossil records.
You made a point about continental drift and then concluded that Australia was probably closer to Middle East when the flood happened. To address this, we need to determined when the Noah’s flood happened and how close were this continent as at that time. This will give us a clue to how possible for marsupials to hop there and whether we had Pangaea as at the time Noah flood happened.
So now I asked again, when did the Noah’s flood happen?

I said the question could be resolved in two ways and my first point which is more palatable than the second is that the migration of humans with their belongings and animals to other parts of the earth took place. Genesis 11:1-9
The second point is already resolved because they were means of transport(land/sea) in those days from one part of the earth to another so I’m surprised you asked the question in the first place.

I’ll ask you a question based on fossil records since we are going to put everything on a pedestal now. I’m not trying to discredit fossils or anything but why was it that the so-called Neanderthals who were believed to be ape-like men(homo-habilis/homo-erectus) in the past, have in recent times been discovered to just be REAL homosapiens? Can we now say that humans can be mistaken in their findings about fossil records?
Or can you categorically state that humans today have discovered all forms of life on land and in the sea? Including the fossils of ALL the ones that went extinct and died in the time past both on land and in the sea? If the answer is no, then your question is already solved.

FatherOfJesus:
ok from your disposition, you certainly do not share the opinion of lot of Christians who think their god works in mysterious ways whenever they cannot grasp the basic concept of science.
You also share the opinion that the Bible is not anti-science. I would like to have this discussion because I am of the opinion that Bible is pseudoscientific and anti-evidential in every ramifications and this is the basis for my disbelief in it.


I want to understand the scientific explanation as to how marsupials like the kangaroo hopped from Australia to Middle East to join the Noah’s ark without leaving behind any form of evidence that it happened and if you have evidence to this, please let’s discuss it

Great question! First of all, this book(Bible) said that Noah had 120-years to accomplish three daunting tasks before him. Genesis 6:3

The first one was to source out the materials to be used to make the Ark before he could begin construction which would require significant manpower because Ark had to meet all the specifications that God gave to Noah. Genesis 6:14-16

The second was to proclaim that impending doom was awaiting the society of ungodly and wicked mankind at that time. 2Peter 2:5

The third was to gather all the animals that God instructed Noah to gather. Genesis 6:19-21

Now, coming to your question it can be resolved in two ways.

It is already proven that man began to migrate from the Middle East to other parts of the earth with their different cultures, languages, belongings(including animals) and the Bible only made mention of such migration after the Flood of Noah’s day. Genesis 11:1-9
So before then, the humans and all the animals lived close to one another before the migration to other parts of the earth took place.

Second, I need not remind you that science has given evidence of the movement of tectonic plates i.e. the movement of huge land masses apart or toward each other so due to environmental factors(such as earthquakes, typhoons etc), the distance from Africa to North America today won’t be the same distance it was 500years ago.

And as earlier stated, Noah had 120-years(not 120days or 120months)—120YEARS to prepare in advance for the Flood that was coming so movement to other parts of the earth was relatively accessible so that means it was easy for Noah to gather all the animals that God commanded him to gather since the continents were relatively close to one another until after the Flood and due to other environmental factors. Genesis 8:4

FatherOfJesus:
Most religions of the world see science as a threat to their faith. Science depends on observation, data, asking questions, not assuming the answers in advance. So we test, we test again. Hypotheses that fail the tests wind up discarded. If we disprove an idea, we leave it behind. But this cannot be said about religion.
Science does not have an anti-God bias. Remember, science depends on observation. Can one observe God? No. Furthermore,

the Scriptures themselves demonstrate that God works in arbitrary and sometimes contrary ways, almost as if to frustrate the attempt to find him and understand him, this is one of the measures religion take to manipulate narratives to justify their conclusion. Since science can’t find any evidence of God to study, and everything we do study appears (evidence!) to have natural causes and to be natural phenomenon, God simply cannot be a part of any hypothesis or any conclusion.

I’m sorry but the highlighted is a gross misrepresentation. The common saying “God works in mysterious ways” has no basis on the book(Bible).
According to this book, God will not do a single thing unless he has revealed it to his servants(Amos 3:7) that means we can easily know more about him since the Scriptures implore us to “Search for him with our whole heart” (Isaiah 55:6) meaning that he can be found if our heart condition is right and in order.
1Chronicles 28:9

Nor is science “pro-evolution.” Evolution is “change over time.” Populations change. Science studies those changes. It can’t deny that change has happened, because that is what the evidence clearly says. It isn’t a “bias” to accept that things change, including populations of organisms. We see it in the laboratory. We see it in the fossil record. We see it in farming techniques. We see it in the genetic records. It would be a “bias” to deny it.
What your religious teachers are trying to do to you is to make you come to your conclusions first, then try to find evidence that supports it later. If you can’t find evidence that supports your conclusions, then you make stuff up, or lie about the evidence, lie about the science, lie about the scientists, lie about your own credentials. Creationists — especially the ones writing the books, collecting your money — lie. It is their livelihood. They literally make a good living by lying.
I’m someone who likes to see evidence in all ramifications without special pleading for the existence of a god. If god has to exist then there must be a testable way to measure that and that’s why I would always tilt toward atheism and believe science most of the times. If a structure that follows evidence like science makes you uncomfortable, it means there’s something wrong with your belief system and you are trying very hard to cling to it.

I believe me and you have had a chat on this topic some time in the past where I proved to you that the religious book(Bible) is not anti-Science since it agrees with the fundamental laws of nature but you turned against me and said
“It’s just my own interpretation” even though it was the most palatable and reasonable explanation out of the other commentators that day.

Viknat:
Am one of em. Being one of Jehovah's witnesses is d best thing that will ever happen to anyone on their life. I understand your point, but I believe you will later objectively or properly reconsider the decision u want to or have made about leaving

The OP should go and take the frustration out on Paul himself for penning 1Corinthians 3:19 & Colossians 2:8 that discourages higher education. Or the OP should go and tear out 1Corinthians 14:34 & 1Timothy 2:12 from his/her Bible which says women do not assume teaching roles in the congregation with a baptized and qualified male present. Compare 1Corinthians 11:5

true2god:
Maybe you don’t understand the basis of my argument. Premarital sex is bad and abortion is very bad but the reason I brought up this issue is to tell you the reason why this jw brother decided never to marry this lady. The reason is related to the topic we are discussing; that the jw group and his family will disown/shun/disfellowship him if he marries a non-jw. Which means that if this lady was a jw, despite their sexual immorality, she will still be accepted by his family and the jw. I once dated a jw lady who told me same thing, that the only basis for our continued social relationship is for me to join the group which I am/was not ready to do hence the relationship broke. We can be in the same house and still have a minor disagreement in principles. Paul and Barnabas, though both are apostles of Jesus, have divergent views but still remain one in the Christian fold. Paul and Peter have divergent views, especially whther gentiles should follow the Jewish customs and tradition, or not, yet none call each other apostates and unbelievers.

I wish we could take this to some other thread, can we? Because the bolded caught my attention.
Please was the disagreement between Paul and Barnabas a result of doctrinal differences? If not, why bringing up something totally unrelated?Acts 15:36-40

What I see here is that jw family/friends do not give room for their members to have alternative and dissenting biblical view which itself is a form of passive tyranny and psychological aggression

Please if everybody is having different and conflicting views, then how will the unity that Jesus prayed for his disciples be achieved? John 17:20-23 see also 1Corinthians 1:10

It was the same Paul you’re quoting that made the following statement at 1Timothy 6:3-5
“If any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome instruction, which is from our Lord Jesus Christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion, he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions, constant disputes about minor matters by men who are corrupted in mind and deprived of the truth, thinking that godly devotion is a means of gain”

So why was Paul not giving room for conflicting views and telling the congregation to avoid any who brought a different teaching? Romans 16:17

So what I am saying in essence is that doctrinal difference is not a new thing in the Christian faith, it is as old as Christianity itself. JW hence doesn’t have monopoly of ‘Truth’ hence if anyone chooses to leave the fold as a result of divergent/differences in view/theology, jw should not make the person look bad or demonize such a person. This practice of shunning is passive tyranny by the JW; it can break family, community and friends. Look beyond an organization’s doctrine/dogma and see things from a rational point of view.

What you failed to realise is that this thing called “DIVINE TRUTH” is never relative as in it can never have two sides, it has to be absolute. Ephesians 4:5

From my own experience, it is not today I began hearing people talking about “rational thinking” and all of that. If truth was indeed relative, then Jesus was actually lying at John 14:6 where he said that he was the only channel to approach God.
Certainly, from your own POV, Buddha, Mohammed are also channels to get to the true God so that makes Jesus’ statement incorrect at John 14:6, yes?

Also, if truth was relative, then Hymenaeus whom Paul(the man you quoted earlier) labelled a dissenter was also correct when he said that the resurrection had begun to take place in the first century, so why was Paul being “arrogant” and why did he not agree with Hymenaeus’ POV? 2Timothy 2:16-18

FatherOfJesus:
I saw so many questionable statements in your appetizer but I am really not in for long arguments

I’m also not in for long arguments, chief. Just wanted to state the facts. Thank you for the bolded because for the very reason alone you find some of my statements questionable automatically should tell you that there is a great disparity between the real Christianity and the fake one that is rampart today.

Just imagine for example, you see a news headline starting with “Christian soldiers attacked community and killed...”
Automatically you should know that those two words “Christian” and “soldier” cannot be used in the same sentence since the founder refused to become a military commander(John 6:15) and he instructed his disciples never to use weapons to resolve issues(Matthew 26:52 see also Isaiah 2:4) instead his disciples were to be harmless and peace makers. Matthew 5:39 see also Romans 12:18

We can all recall when the Catholic Church encouraged its members from both the Axis and Allies Powers of the WWII to go to war and slaughter themselves and when the various churches in Rwanda back in April-June 1994 engaged in bloodletting of their own members because they were of a different tribe, but can we still call those ones “Christians” since they do not follow any of Jesus’ command including the one to have love amongst themselves? John 13:35

FatherOfJesus:
lol

You’d have to forgive me. I got a very busy schedule so I cannot meet up using my phone all the time.

That was just the appetizer by the way. Are you ready for the main course? Because that’s the real deal-breaker.

FatherOfJesus:
ok, I’m listening

Alright. It is important that you keep this principle at the back of your mind: “Let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar.” Romans 3:4

Well then, what is the Bible’s definition of who a Christian is?

We do not have to guess, the founder of Christianity himself laid out the meaning of what it meant to a true Christian at Matthew 16:24

“Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me.”

Meaning that anyone who wanted to be his disciple should be willing to forgo everything they once had and treasured in the past, be it material wealth(Matthew 19:21-24), family(Matthew 19:29) in fact, whatever is of prime importance to the person should become secondary. Matthew 6:24-33

Therefore, one who is a true Christian is to follow the pattern set by Jesus Christ(John 13:15) who was for example, willing to forgo a comfortable home for himself(Matthew 8:20) in order that he spend his whole life preaching and doing the will of his Father. Luke 4:43, John 4:34
So a true Christian takes careful note of each and every activity of Jesus’ life on earth and make it his resolve to imitate him closely.
Philippians 2:3-5, 1Peter 2:21

It is also imperative at this point to state that Jesus himself was aware of the fact that not all those who claimed to be followers of him were truly for him, that’s why there are a number of statements and prophecies given by Jesus to let us know that fake Christians would take the spotlight. Such as are recorded in Matthew 7:15 and particularly, Matthew 13:24-30

For example, in the aforementioned Scripture, Jesus differentiated between the “wheats” and “weeds”. The “wheats” were the genuine Christians and the “weeds/tares” put simply, were the impostors.
If you are familiar with plants and agriculture, once you see a plant bearing wheat, you would automatically know that “Okay this is wheat” but when you notice thorns/weeds growing in between, you know that an unidentified foreign body has joined the mix and you can then say “The weeds are present”. So it is impossible to mistake the wheats for the weeds.

Why is that so? Because Jesus said that it will be easy to identify those who truly belong to him when we identify their fruits/works/deeds so just as a rotten tree cannot produce fine fruit, it is the same with true Christianity and the fake kind. Matthew 7:16-20

To be continued.

FatherOfJesus:
If Christians are as good as they say then we won’t have a society like this.

That word “Christian” has been overused, oversimplified and bastardized in so many instances. The definition can range from one who does good to one who loves yelling the name “Jesus” with nothing to show for it and so on.

I would like to walk you through the credentials of a true Christian, using the book(Bible) as a reference point. Then you can begin to draw comparisons and see if those claiming “Christian” today fit into any of them.

FatherOfJesus:
If God who’s omniscience created a Lucifer who caused war and chaos in heaven out of jealousy and greed, what’s the guarantee that it won’t happen again with the kind of greedy Christians we have today who might finally make it to heaven?
Is that not an indication that envy and conflict is very possible in heaven?

How most of you guys manage to come to some kind of conclusions baffle me sometimes. I mean when the real Christians approach you, you begin to compare based off what fraudsters posing as Christians have been doing for ages.

Just because you encountered several quack medical doctors in the past who hung stethoscope around their neck all the time, suddenly means the real doctors with the right knowledge do not exist? Similarly, because some people happen to hold a Bible everywhere but yet display hypocritical acts and behaviours contrary to the book they’re carrying, now suddenly means the real Christians who apply the Bible appropriately do not exist?

Those ones who say they want to go to heaven, you can just ask them what it is they are going there to do and you’ll receive many absurd replies. Their favourite scripture is John 14:2-4 where Jesus said he was going to prepare a place for some set of the people. These churchgoers assumed that Jesus was talking to them but they can’t answer: “If Jesus is going to prepare a place for me, then what am I to do there?”

All you need to know is to recognize when true wisdom is speaking in order to distinguish it from the falsehood.

No where does the Bible state that God is omniscient.

During the time of creation, God’s closing remarks at the end of one creation epoch was “it was very good”(Genesis 1:31) meaning that all that God made was perfect since God himself is perfect. Deuteronomy 32:4
So it was the angels and humans he bestowed freewill upon who become corrupt on their own account. Deuteronomy 32:5, Ecclesiastes 7:29

If for example OP, you had a son whom you brought up with good morals and taught him how to be respectful and be of use in the society and then one day, he turns around and becomes a robber, a cheat and a murderer. Would you be the one to blame for your son’s actions? I guess not.

So God did not create any “Devil” to begin causing chaos and problem, it was an angel who let a wrong desire to grow in his heart(James 1:14-15) and when he saw the opportunity to rebel, he took that chance(Genesis 3:1-5) so that’s why he is labelled both Devil and Satan because of his rebellious nature. John 8:44, Revelation 12:9

Satan knows that his time left is short(Revelation 12:12) that’s why things have got worse on earth presently(Revelation 6:4-8.) but God has promised to extinguish Satan in the nearest future(Romans 16:20, Hebrews 2:14, Revelation 20:1-3) undo every havoc that was wreaked by Satan(1John 3:8.) and restore the earth to paradisacial conditions as it was meant to be in the very beginning. Revelation 21:1-5

Where is my popcorn?

Churchgoers at it again.

Skoonheid:
Dude, the creator never did ask anyone to get circumcised. If he wanted to he would have made mankind without foreskin. Whoever the Individual that Abraham covenanted with, definitely wasn't the creator. Some God maybe,but not the creator.

Oh so I see that you believe in a Creator then? That means this isn’t really about circumcision, is it?
Moving on ...
Yeah I’m pretty adept with the fact that most agnostics expect the “Creator” to accept them for who they are by not demanding they(agnostics) uphold some form of religious/moral outlook.

But if there really is a “Creator” then, shouldn’t he be the one to set standards for all humans on right and wrong? Or does this “Creator” not know what he wants from those he created?

God called a man named Abram, out of his hometown and made a pact(covenant/agreement) with him that he and his offspring would receive many blessings by reason of Abraham’s faithfulness so the removal of the foreskin(circumcision) of the male genital part was to serve as a sign to him and Abraham’s descendants. Genesis 17:9-14
God also told him that in the eighth day after a baby is born, the circumcision should take place. Genesis 17:12

Why did God specify on the “eighth day” ? Because modern scientific discovery has shown that in 7-8 days after a baby is born, the blood clotting tissues would have formed.

So what does this show?

The Creator of the human body knows how the human body functions more than human beings who are still grappling to understand basics about their own body system. Isaiah 64:8
So you now saying that circumcision affects a person’s mental health is nothing but a hypothesis with no real proof since God understands humans better than humans do themselves. 1John 3:20

Moreover, the practice of circumcision was for only Abraham and his literal fleshly descendants who turned out to be the Israelites(Leviticus 12:3) whom God also established a covenant with. Exodus 19:5

The question is, does the circumcision have any religious bearing before God today? The answer is no because those practices were abolished after Jesus Christ established the new covenant. Jeremiah 31:31-34, Luke 22:28-30
This issue of circumcision also crept up in the days of the first century Christians but was quickly resolved amongst them that no longer was circumcision to be an acceptable and mandatory practice amongst God’s people.
Acts 15:1-29

If you happened to be an employee in a sales company for example and one of your managing directors decide to loot company funds that’s meant for your salary and then disappears, will you as the field officer/ground-worker feel the shockwave(effect) of what transpired or not?

descarado:
Don't go that root with me, like 3 of you did that in the past and ran away after exposing jw for what it is especially to black.

I was your member for 3 yrs.


You wouldn't want me to say what you and majority of you don't know about jw, so chill.

I don’t like commenting on these kind of threads but the bolded caught my eye which is the only reason I’m writing this comment.

You were a “member” as how? You underwent a Bible study, qualified to be an unbaptized publisher before being BAPTIZED ? 1Peter 3:21
I highly doubt that, because if you like, attend all our meetings whether for 10,20,30 years and you don’t subject yourself to a Bible study and get baptized, you won’t be counted as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Great points up there @OP !

Even Jesus made mention of “exercising” faith in him to gain everlasting life. John 3:16
Certainly, “exercising” means “working/acting out” on one’s faith by obedience to God’s commands as Jesus later pointed out in John 3:36 see also Philippians 2:12.

Like you said, everlasting life is a free, precious gift(Romans 6:23) but if one shows contempt/lack of appreciation for that gift, it can be taken away from him. Matthew 21:43 compare Genesis 3:19

Since Jehovah’s Witnesses actively demonstrate their faith publicly through works i.e. preaching and teaching about Jehovah and his Kingdom(Romans 10:10), they therefore have a righteous standing before God. Revelation 7:9-10

And so in obedience to Christ’s command, Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide annually commemorate the death of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. Luke 22:19
Join me, haddeylium(OP) and a host of millions around the globe (virtually) in this special event coming up on the 27th of this month of March for the annual commemoration of Christ’s death through ZOOM!
Visit JW.ORG for more information on how to connect to the program.

The borrower is indeed a slave to the lender ~ inspired proverb.

KNOWMORE56:

From the Word:
*. Proverbs 16: 2 "KJV: ALL THE WAYS OF A MAN ARE CLEAN IN HIS OWN EYES; but the Lord weigheth the spirits."
*. Proverbs 21:2 "KJV: EVERY WAY OF A MAN IS RIGHT IN HIS OWN EYES: but the Lord pondereth the hearts."
who are the apostates between the organization and the others and why are they called so?
DappaD is not anapostate in his own eyes...

Should I also define who an apostate is? Apostasy simply means falling away from or deviating from a particular course, in this case, deserting the truth so if you want to keep listening to the apostates who fell away from the truth in Jehovah’s organization, it’s okay but be rest assured that no positive result will spring forth from it. Proverbs 11:9

iyambz:
I'm really enjoying this. (1 Tim 2:5 kjv) "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"
And of course, your wicked will still ignore this verse as usual. Next thing you will say it's just my interpretation.

Okay you failed to see how this particular verse cancelled out and completely rubbished your Trinity doctrine, right? I should spell it out for you again or can you come to your own conclusions?

iyambz:
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Damn!!! You have nothing else to say, all you could do is to accuse me of anger. Me that just preached on anger couple of days ago? Damn !!!again. This guy is tasty. Do I sound angry to you. No way. You are the one who is angry. You know why? You based your trust and salvation upon a fraternity group. As for me, It's in the word of God and the Person of Lord Jesus Christ.
(Psalms 119:165 kjv) "Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them."
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Yen yen yen yen yen yen, obey your KJV at Ecclesiastes 7:9 and stop making noise Mr iyambz.

iyambz:
Oh and meanwhile, I study to show myself approved unto God, not to some stupid JWs. Maybe y'all should report me again to the moderators like you did before that made them to block my account. That means I must have hit y'all so hard. If I was lying, then why are you bothered? If you think I was lying about your doctrines and beliefs, go to my thread "why God is not a Jehovah witness" and prove me wrong.
Again.... One with God is already a majority. One with God don't need a bunch of stupid fraternity that calls themselves God's people.
Damn!!!

Can you please obey your KJV at Ecclesiastes 7:9 where it says:
“Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools”

I would have quoted James 1:19 to show you why you should be slow to anger but you’ve already cancelled out the entire letter of James so there’s no need getting into any of that.

There is no need getting all emotional over matters like these. I understand that you’re hurt and in spiritual torment(Luke 16:24) but please try to “let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:” (Ephesians 4:31 KJV) while I’ll do my best to forgive you for such an attitude. Ephesians 4:32 KJV

iyambz:
Damn!!! If you know how stupid you sound, you won't even type a word again. I cut you several times with the Bible, all you can do is to tell me a long story?
Again (Titus 3:9-11 kjv) "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

iyambz:
One thing I have noticed on this forum is that none has ever given you damned JWs hard time here more than I do with the Scriptures. I have exposed y'all from all corners. One thing i'm certain about is that you don't use the Scriptures to show the JWs the truth, it's a waste of time. The only way to expose y'all is to expose the watch tower.
Damn!!!

You couldn’t explain your claim on how Jesus is the middle man(mediator) and also one of the parties of the covenant? Hebrews 9:15

Instead you resorted to your usual slogan:
“You cannot know the things of the Spirit blah blah” that’s why I drew the analogy with Aaron and Jesus being High Priests to expose your faulty reasoning.

DesignAndBuild:
Old handing over to new. Meanwhile Barca needs to sell dembele.

Dembele was obviously playing against Barça last night.

KNOWMORE56:

Let's look at some of the characteristics of the things you have mentioned and check if you're organization fit in:
SALT:
white, sweet, preservative, etc(purity, unblameable)
*. Matthew 5:8 "
KJV:Blessed are the PURE IN HEART: for they shall see God."
*. 1 Timothy 3:9 "KJV:Holding the mystery of the faith in a PURE CONSCIENCE."
*. 1 Thessalonians 3:13 "KJV:To the end he may stablish your hearts UNBLAMEABLE IN HOLINESS before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints."
LIGHT, Matthew 5:14,15;
Revealing everything sinful, warm, protect everything godly, attractive to viewers, etc.

All the girls child molesters identity remain hidden with the organization...



I have a lot to post but let's go gradually... I'm coming.

Please please please whatever you hear from apostates, take and swallow it but don’t expect me to corroborate any story for you since it’s the apostates you’re keen on listening to.

iyambz:
He had to be the Man spirit creature to become our High priest.

I thought my brother MaxInDHouse already said you should go back and diligently study before coming here to engage in discussions?

Jehovah gave Moses several instructions regarding the erection of the tabernacle and the holy things inside. Exodus chapters 36-40
God also specified that only those from the tribe of Levi could come into his tent of meeting. Numbers 3:10

ONLY the High Priest Aaron(Kohathite) could go into the Most Holy—which symbolized Jehovah’s presence and make the sacrificial offerings of atonement for himself and the whole of Israel. Leviticus 16:1-19

Jesus Christ is the antitypical Aaron, who this time around, gave himself up as the sacrificial Lamb(John 1:29), not for his own sins(1Peter 2:22) but for that of others. Romans 5:8

But he did not become a High Priest until he was first resurrected to a spirit being(1Peter 3:18) and approached the REAL Most Holy(heaven) to present the value of his sacrificial death before the literal presence of God. Hebrews 9:24

That's why He is the Mediator between God and men. Y'all will never understand the things of the Spirit until you receive the new birth.
(1 Cor 2:11 kjv) "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."

Next time, check whether Jehovah’s Witnesses actually understand anything or whether you’re the one who needs to work on yourself.