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If it’s to make noise and act drama on his Dstv channel, no one will remind him.

But now that the time has come to prove himself that he actually has that healing power he has always claimed to have, instead he has resorted to the vaccines and some fake ‘anointing’ water.
LOL!

obonujoker:
I said hell (an adjective) describes what the lake of fire punishment really is...
"Hell" mentioned in that verse is the literal one (Noun); a place of torment for the dead without Christ; Some cultures call or "Hades"

There is no such thing as place of torment sir. “Hades” is the Greek equivalent for “Sheol” in Hebrew and “Grave” in English which means a state of unconsciousness and inactivity not torment. Besides the Revelation 20:14 already explained what the “lake of fire” means which is “second death” and at death, a being ceases to exist. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

Versionite4life:
No insults please. What's the purpose of hell fire? I need a proper explanation, using perfect logic, morals and biblical backups.

To enslave the masses into filling the pockets of money-grabbers. The teaching of a “hellfire” is a slap in the face to the God of love. 1John 4:8
One of the reasons why God exterminated the Canaanites was because they literally burnt their children in fire. Deuteronomy 12:31
So why would God go against his own standards?

Those who quote scriptures Matthew 25:41, Mark 9:47, Luke 16:22-30, Revelation 21:8 as a support for their worthless “hellfire” doctrine indeed have a lot to learn because they’re doing nothing more than twisting the scriptures to suit their propaganda. 2Peter 3:16

obonujoker:
The lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels as an everlasting punishment.
It wssnt created for man.
However if a man decided to worship the devil and his angels, them he'd find his way there.


God created the lake of fire to punish the devil and other disobedient heavenly creatures... it's called "hell" to show the severity of the punishment as described by the Lord Jesus Christ

So why was “hell” thrown into the “lake of fire” at Revelation 20:14? Is “hell” now a human being that can feel pain, if so what crime did “hell” commit to suffer forever?

livingchrist:
see this one, doing gossip like a typical coward

Mr living, did your wife abandon you? Why are you coming here to take out the aggression on innocent people?
Leave emotions and please brace yourself like a man.

Emusan:
I read Psalm 104:4 but I didn't see where it says Angels are created in the FORM of God.
Spirit is just opposite of physical
Are you saying ALL PHYSICAL THINGS have the same NATURE?

Did you read John 4:24 as well and see that both God and his angels exist as spirits? Because that’s what “form” actually means according to Merriam-Webster i.e. to exist as. So did the angels in Psalm 104:4 who exist in the same nature as God also become God?

The funny thing is to tell me to FORGET a critical word in the scripture just because you want to continue to defend your fraudulent doctrines.
@2nd color....It's good as you yourself know that they ONLY MANIFEST characteristics of God's nature nature not that THEY EXIST in the FORM of God.The Greek and Hebrew words use mainly to denote the actual nature God exists are translated as FORM and that was the same word USED in Phil 2 :6 for Jesus.

Smart guy. Later you’ll say JWs twist scriptures yet here you are! LOL.

Again, read and meditate on the words below:

DappaD:
Forget the word that is rendered as “nature” and focus more on the word θείας which translates to “divine” at 2Peter 1:4
The Strong’s Greek for θείας (theíos) means (an adjective, derived from 2316 /theós, "God" ) – divine, manifesting the characteristics of God's nature.
So the Christians at 2Peter 1:4 manifest characteristics of God’s nature according to the above meaning. The question is do they also become God? I need a simple and direct answer.

When it comes to Colossians 2:9 that one you dey nah, you’ll be ready to misconstrue but now 2Peter 1:4 has got you confused.
I know you’re at crossroads now but you must think deeply about your next reply without displaying ignorance in the process.

Peacefullove:
E pain am

Haha. The guy has become very emotional now with all the insults he’s throwing and has also taken in the footsteps of his uncle Emusan.

MaxInDHouse:
He's just a newly blindfolded agent recruited under the accuser of brothers so let him flow! Revelations 12:10

Well, it’s not his fault entirely. Matthew 5:44, 2Cor 4:4

iyambz:

Publication? You are the question and the answer. Why not put up JWs clear salvation plan here to prove you don't teach works for salvation. I'll let you answer that because people are reading the comments. Let the salvation plan be clear.

You’re the one who made an allegation. Support your claim with proof or vamoose.

iyambz:
The problem with these JWs is that they believe that their salvation is tied to their wicked doctrines/beliefs. That’s why they will fight you tooth and nail to protect those beliefs. Exposing them with the Bible means you are trying to take away their salvation. Any religion that teaches works for salvation does it to keep their members in subjection or bondage. I will come back with the Part 2 of their wicked doctrines, no worry, you will love it.

Please can you show me any JW publication that mentions the highlighted?

iyambz:
1. Disappoint? I’m only interested in warning people about your doctrines, not the JWs.

If you’re warning people about JW doctrines, then surely you must be able to give them an alternative, that is something better. But can you? We both know you can’t.

If you think you can dissuade honest-hearted people from knowing the truth about Jehovah God then go ahead and try. As long as Jehovah will draw them to the truth there’s nothing you can do about it. John 6:44

2. Isaiah 54 deals with the final restoration of Israel at the second advent.
3. Isaiah 54:17 reference is obviously not to the church age. In the church age the unsaved Jew does not have God’s righteousness (Rom 10:1-3 kjv). And although the Christian does (Rom 10:9-13), that does not stop weapons from “prospering” (e.g., Acts 12:1-2). Bible believers in the dark ages were slaughtered by thousands by catholic weapons; and nothing stopped Nazi weapons from slaughtering Jews by the millions. You can look forward to “bigger and better” carnage by the UN and the Moslems. The verse won’t be fulfilled until ”the servants of the LORD” come into their “heritage” (Luke 19:12-27; 2 Tim 2:12; Rev 20:4 kjv). You better get saved today, and stop trusting in your own righteousness to get you to Heaven. Hell is real, and also is the lake of fire.

Yeah the same hell that was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:14
Is hell now a human being and if so, what sins did hell commit to deserve eternal punishment?

mohims:
I'd rather be an Atheist than be a JW member. Tufiakwa

So why didn’t you mention the religious group you’d rather be in instead of JW?

iyambz:
These JWs are been deceived. You can’t help them. Now let me show you verses that shows the Jehovah is Jesus.
1. (Isa 44:6) “Jehovah the first and Last.” To debunk, see (Rev 1:7-8,11) “Christ is the first and last.”

Did you notice in Revelation 1:17-18 and 2:8 that immediately after Jesus called himself “the First and Last”, he mentioned that he became dead and resurrected to live forever? Compare Romans 6:9
The question is has God ever died before? What does Jeremiah 10:10, Habakkuk 1:12 and 1Timothy 1:17 say about this? Try and reason with those Scriptures first since you’re not ready to listen to the JW’s.

2. (Matt 11:25). The Father is known to be Lord, but JWs will claim Father is LORD and not Lord. To debunk, see (Phil 2:11) Jesus is called Lord. JWs will still claim it’s two different Lords. But a Bible Believer will disagree with them. There is only one Lord (Eph 4:4-5).

Yes so Jesus was publicly praising himself in heaven while he was on earth. Abi? Very good.
[it won’t be my fault if you don’t understand sarcasm]

Please can you check whether Psalm 110:1, Matthew 22:42-45, Acts 2:34-36 are in your Bible? How many Lords did you see there? Or is somebody talking to himself? Did God sit at the right hand of himself? Is this a personality clash?
The same Ephesians 4 you quoted says there is one God and one Lord. Two different personalities. Compare 1Corinthians 8:6

3. (Zech 12:10 kjv). The Father was pierced. This was also referring to Jesus Christ. Jesus was pierced. This is fulfilled in the Scripture and there is no other Scriptural reference than the one in (Zech 12:10 kjv). It was fulfilled in (John 19:33-37).

Where in Zechariah 12:10 did it say the Father was pierced? Please do yourself a favour and understand English or better yet, get a better translation.

4. Thomas called Jesus my Lord and my God in (John 20:26-28 kjv). JWs with their NWT will use an exclamation point (!), that Thomas said it out of shock, and that he doesn’t know what he was talking about. Even Vs 29 shows that Jesus didn’t rebuke Thomas if he was using the Lord’s name in vain.

Isn’t it funny that we should take the words of someone who had the habit of being skeptical? Jesus earlier told Mary Magdalene that his own God and Father was in heaven. John 20:17
Now, Thomas(a doubting apostle) called Jesus, God as a show of excitement.
Obviously, from Jesus’ own words and from John’s conviction, Jesus is the Son of God and not God. John 20:31
So who do you believe? Jesus or Thomas? Please let us know whether you are a disciple of Thomas.

5. The Father was referred to as the Saviour in (Isa 43:11, Hos 13:4 kjv). Christ was also referred to as the Saviour in (Titus 3:6). But JWs believe that Jesus is a lesser God and a lesser Saviour. Isn’t that strange?

Jehovah is the Supreme Saviour and there is no one else like him. 1Timothy 2:3-6
Just as he alone single-handedly brought Israel out of slavery in Egypt(Exodus 3:8, 20:2) but sent a visible representative(under-saviour) Moses to execute his plans. Exodus 3:10
That’s the same way Jehovah alone rescues his obedient servants from slavery to sin and death through his representative(under-saviour) Jesus Christ. John 3:16, Romans 8:21
In fact, Acts 5:31 even mentioned that Jehovah exalted Jesus Christ to the position of being a Saviour so it’s not something that Jesus always had. See Matthew 28:18

Surprisingly, the Bible calls other humans Saviours. But I don’t think that should mean those humans became God too? Judges 3:9

Leave them alone. Don’t argue with them. They will get you if you continue. Believe your Bible, not a group of people that call themselves JWs.
[b]Isa 66:2 kjv - “For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.[/b]God loves a child that fears His words, not the ones that changes it, and allegorize the rest.

LOL OK so people shouldn’t listen to Jehovah’s Witnesses but you’re not ready to provide any fitting substitute for them to listen to? Maybe even preaching by yourself so that we can see that you match up? You see how hypocrisy is eating you up.
If you think you can stop Jehovah’s Witnesses from expressing freedom of speech and worship, then go ahead and try.

Emusan:
You said it's a big lie but does Jesus share in God's nature or HE EXISTS IN THE VERY FORM OF GOD?

Yeah the same way the angels also exist in the form of God. Check Psalm 104:4 against John 4:24

What you people don't even know is that the Greek word "Phusis" rendered as NATURE in 2 Peter 1 never be used for spirit being but for physical things and human. In fact the word was translated as MANKINDS by many translations in James 3:7 and as PEOPLE by many translations including your perverted NWT.Definitely, the verse didn't talk about God's ESSENCE.Another problem in this verse for you is that, the verse is talking about believers generally. This can be seen from the text. And because of his glory and excellence, he has given us great and precious promises. These are the promises that enable you to share his divine nature and escape the world’s corruption caused by human desires.The reason believers will share in this divine nature, is because IT WILL HELP THEM TO ESCAPE THE WORLD'S CORRUPTION CAUSED BY HUMAN DESIRES But now that you believe only few people will share this nature and you're excluded then you and the millions who will live forever on earth will continue to be living in this world of corruption.

Forget the word that is rendered as “nature” and focus more on the word θείας which translates to “divine” at 2Peter 1:4
The Strong’s Greek for θείας (theíos) means (an adjective, derived from 2316 /theós, "God" ) – divine, manifesting the characteristics of God's nature.

So the Christians at 2Peter 1:4 manifest characteristics of God’s nature according to the above meaning. The question is do they also become God? I need a simple and direct answer.

LOL @OP, please how desperate can you be? You wrote about Jehovah’s Witnesses and I quote in your post, “Their wicked doctrines and beliefs” and went ahead to say that we don’t believe in eternal suffering so that’s makes it wicked abi.

See, if your nameless and three-faced tyrant of a god feels okay with roasting people live in fire forever, then fine. But the God of the Jehovah’s Witnesses does not permit such because it was as a result of that practice, that he exterminated the Canaanites. Leviticus 20:3, Deuteronomy 12:31
So tell me, why would the same God go against his own standards? Deuteronomy 32:4, Jeremiah 7:31

The answer is obvious.

The real meaning of Micah 4:5 cannot be overemphasized. While you can continue to walk in the name of your vicious, three-faced trinity god, Jehovah’s Witnesses will continue to walk in the name of their own God whose very embodiment is love. compare Joshua 24:15, 1John 4:8

livingchrist:
No one become God by partaking in God's nature, Jesus didnt partake in God's nature rather he possesses the full and complete nature of God.
Meaning, All things the father is, he is also.

Your claims are already dead on arrival LOL.

Conspiracy theorists need to get a life.

livingchrist:
Sharing God's nature according to peter simply means to bear God's character like holiness, righteousness etc.
Christ has the very form of God

You actually won’t achieve much from being double-standard you know that right.

Janosky:
John 15:15, John 7:16, Jesus taught me @ Luke 7:35 & John 16:13-16, he personified Wisdom and Holy spirit .

Thanks, for your time.
God bless

Add Romans 5:14 join am. Maybe sin and death don become living persons too.

livingchrist:
Nope partaking in God's nature and having the very form or nature of God are different.
Christians share in God's holiness, it does not mean they have the totality of God's nature unlike Christ.


Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Jesus has the complete nature of God, it means he is everything the father is.

This one na big lie oo. It’s not today you started talking from both sides of your mouth. What Peacefullove is asking isn’t farfetched. Do humans turn into Jehovah simply because they share divine nature? That was how I quoted 2Peter 1:2-4 on your thread some weeks ago till today you’ve been dribbling yourself and running from pillar to post.

Janosky:
My Bro, DappaD, good evening... How we dey?

Good evening my brother! Thanks to Jehovah we’re still thriving. I trust that you and the family are doing okay as well.

KNOWMORE56:

The only separation found in the Word is between sheep and goats ( Matthew 25:32-33).
All the sheep shall be in one place (the kingdom of God the Son) with Jesus...( John 14:1-5; revelation 21: 3; Matthew 25:34).
In the same way, all the goats shall be in one place ( the lake of fire) with the devil...( Matthew 25:41; revelation 20:10-15)
How watch tower wants us to accept it narration more than the Word is ludicrous.

I saw how you quickly dodged the whole “new heavens, new earth” matter because you aren’t knowledgeable enough to that extent so the real meaning had been hidden from you. Isaiah 6:9,10; Matthew 13:15

Please what is the criteria for judgment in Matthew 25:40? Doesn’t it highlight support for Christ’s “brothers”?
So if the sheep in Matthew 25:33 are already Christ’s “brothers”, why does Jesus still say that they give support to them?

Who is Jesus calling his “brothers”? It’s obviously not the sheep in Matthew 25:33 because he said that those ones give support to his “brothers”. This already means that there are two categories of ‘righteous’ ones. Compare Revelation 7:1-17

That will still bring us to the whole “little flock” issue. Because those whom are the new spiritual Israel are all Abraham’s “offspring” in the sense of being anointed of God’s holy spirit and Abraham’s offspring number into a total of 144,001(yes that’s right, including Jesus Christ) Genesis 3:15, Galatians 3:26-29, Revelation 14:1-5

That’s why he was calling a set of people in Matthew 25:40 his “brothers” because they all had Jehovah’s name figuratively inscribed on their foreheads. Revelation 7:1-8

In what ways do these “sheep” in Matthew 25:33 assist Christ’s brothers? Well earlier, it was prophesied at Zechariah 8:23 that there would come a time when men from the nations would firmly grip the cloak of a “Jew” i.e. the new spiritual Israel[Galatians 6:16] and would go with them into Jehovah’s holy mountain. Isaiah 2:2-4
So these “sheep” give their support to Christ’s brothers by helping them fulfill the command given at Matthew 24:14, Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8.

So as Matthew 25:40 has already stated plainly, your survival depends on you identifying Christ’s brothers and giving your support to them before the time for the final judgment arrives.
2Thess. 1:7-9

KNOWMORE56:

The only separation found in the Word is between sheep and goats ( Matthew 25:32-33).
All the sheep shall be in one place (the kingdom of God the Son) with Jesus...( John 14:1-5; revelation 21: 3; Matthew 25:34).
In the same way, all the goats shall be in one place ( the lake of fire) with the devil...( Matthew 25:41; revelation 20:10-15)


How watch tower wants us to accept it narration more than the Word is ludicrous.

Sometimes the way most of you talk amaze me honestly. You really think any one is being forced to be a Jehovah’s Witness? The more than 8million men and women across the globe all hold Psalm 110:3 to heart because they’ve all put faith(trust) in Jehovah(Isaiah 30:15, Hebrews 11:1,6)and they’ve all offered themselves willingly to be servants of Jehovah. Isaiah 43:10-12
So contrary to the view you have, it’s not by force and nobody will beg you either. Deuteronomy 30:16-20

KNOWMORE56:

One of the everlasting truth is WHOEVER WILL... apart from the 1000 years no any child of God is given any rulership position. They are all brethren saved by grace.
. Revelations 22 :17 "KJV:And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, COME. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, LET HIM TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY."
God is not separating some of his children up and some down.
The angel said to John "I AM YOUR FELLOW SERVANT"
*. Revelation 19:10 "
KJV:And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I AM THY FELLOWSERVANT, AND OF THY BRETHREN THAT HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."




so, what do you say is the reason for the separation?

After saying the highlighted, you’ll still come across Revelation 21:1 that mentions a “new heavens” and a “new earth” and you’ll be puzzled over what they truly mean because you lack the accurate knowledge.
After the 1,000-year rule of Jesus Christ, all who remain on earth will finally be earthly sons and daughters of the true God as that had always been God’s plan. Genesis 1:28

MaxInDHouse:
YES it is!

Okay. Check your inbox then.

I responded some 6days ago. It’s actually nothing that serious.

KNOWMORE56:

One of the things that is so clear to me from the word is the word WHOEVER as found in many places in the Word...In my own understanding of Daniel 7:27
"KJV:And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."Jesus and the raptured saints will come to the earth physically and take rulership from the world president ( the anti-christ)and they will rule for 1,000 years "
and all dominions shall serve and obey him/them."After the Great White Throne Judgement, all the people who belong to God shall be in the same place, enjoying the same thing... revelation 21:1-8*. Verse 3 "KJV:And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and GOD HIMSELF SHALL BEα WITH THEM, and BE THEIR GOD."

Ohh but I thought you're of the opinion that all good people go to heaven? Where is this one coming from again? Mr KNOWMORE56 seek the accurate knowledge of the truth so that you won't be swindled by false teachings. John 8:32, Ephesians 4:14
There is no such thing as personal interpretation/opinion of the scriptures. 2Peter 1:20. The truth is only ONE. Ephesians 4:3-6
Seek the truth now so that you might be amongst the millions of men and women on earth who will enjoy the blessings listed at Revelation 21:1-5.

KNOWMORE56:

Born again (John 3:3,7; 1 Peter 1:23) = born of God ( 1 John 5:18) = born of the Spirit ( John 3:v8)= new life in Christ( Romans 4:6)
If you are not born of God then you are born of the devil ( this is my understanding of 1 John 3:7- 10)

Yes that is your own understanding. Being “born again” is not a criteria for salvation as Jesus explained at John 3:16. Exercising faith in Jesus Christ is a choice that one has to make after taking in accurate knowledge of God and his Son. John 17:3

However, to be “born again” or “born from above” is not a choice one makes by himself. He has to be invited and chosen by God. Matthew 22:14, John 1:11,12

Mr KNOWMORE56, please did you have any say/choice when you were to be conceived and born as a human being? If you didn’t, what makes you think being ‘born from God’ or ‘born from above’ is a choice that one can make willy-nilly?

KNOWMORE56:

In Luke 12: 32 "KJV:Fear not, LITTLE FLOCK; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."No other explanations is given to it in the Word, but watch tower have continued to force some explanations to it...If you can be of help, can you point out the part of the verse that says only 144,000 are going to heaven? No emotions please.LITTLE FLOCK compare it with LITTLE CHILDREN, their usage in the Word is different from what the watch tower devotees are making out of it.
My own opinion!

Do you think that this teaching of a “little flock” and “144,000 bought from the earth” started with the New Testament?

No. In fact, the vision that Daniel saw in the chapter 7 of his book sheds light on this long before Jesus made that statement in Luke 12:32.
So Jesus was saying that his apostles and others would be given a Kingdom and he was only reiterating and expatiating more on Daniel 7:27

The JPS Tanakh(directly translated from the Masoretic text) puts Daniel 7:27 this way:

“And the kingdom and the dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey them.'

This tallies with Jesus' statement at Luke 12:32(NASB)
“Do not be afraid, little flock[144,000 holy ones], because your Father has chosen to give you the kingdom.”

It also tallies with the vision given to John at Revelation 7:1-8.
The highlight of the matter is that a few(144,000) would be given the Kingdom to be kings, judges and priests over the earth. Revelation 20:6

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If every righteous person is to be in heaven, why does Hebrews 2:5(Amplified) mention a coming inhabited earth? Why does Revelation 5:10 says that some would rule over the earth?
The Bible is clear that the earth is mankind's home forever and countless billions doing God's will are going to inhabit and live forever on it. Psalm 37:29, Isaiah 45:18

Most of you just feel like the accurate knowledge isn't necessary. You just want to run to heaven but you have zero idea about the assignment of those going there entails.

Tcwork:

You bore false witness. Don't you get it, this is not a game. It's about serious people sharing their beliefs and discussin scriptures. It's about asking important questions and answering them.
Many people are silently following this thread and learning from contributions.
Don't you think if you have any idea about what we are discussing you can contribute without causing a distraction.
Take a cue from the many people that have opposed me on this thread.
They have all been wonderful people with brilliant opinions.

Okay. Carry on.

Tcwork:

Yea the trinity doctrine is not based in scriptures but you don't seem to get it. On the other hand
the scriptures teach that Jehovah of the old testament is Jesus Christ

The man below has his own version that’s similar to yours and he made it clear that God is a trinity.
And he even calls Jehovah the Father which you deny, so who are you to say otherwise?
Can’t you see that it’s the same trinity doctrine but refashioned and restructured into several versions?

livingchrist:
no, infact Jesus is Jehovah God. The bible revealed that Jehovah God is Trinity Gen 1vv26, but Jehovah as a name was a revelation of God to the Jews but Jesus is the revelation of God to all mankind

Tcwork:

Oga we have heard you. Forget my person and address the topic.
When people get uncomfortable with your beliefs, they begin to address your person.

Did I call you out or did I call out your teaching?
Experience has always shown that one begins to play the victim card when he has no other tricks up his sleeve. Hope that’s not the case with you.

Tcwork:
You obviously do not understand the doctrine of the trinity. You can Google it.

To summarize the trinity doctrine, it teaches that Jesus Christ, his Father and the Holy Ghost are one and the same person.
No need to be dishonest for the sake of an argument.

See me and wahala. I should google it ni?
Thank God you’ve admitted that the trinity doctrine doesn’t have a scriptural basis and that it’s just a collection of random opinions of your highly esteemed so-called Bible scholars.