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Tcwork:

Now let me help you a bit before you get carried away.You have been trying hard to prove that the prophets of old did not know Christ. But the you read Hebrew that tells you that they where men of faith and the received that promise that you and I and still working to obtain.Don't you see?
And of all your members, you seem to be the most rude. Some of the others are rude but you are way up.You just told a grown man to go to bed. Are this discussion we are having means nothing if we can't show example of believers.
Our discussion wouldn't take us to heaven, our actions would.You can't be I'll mannered for Christ.

Tcwork, I apologize if I came off rude.

Tcwork:
What is eternal life

Thank you! Now let’s use John 3:16 as a case study.
John 3:16 KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

It is well known that Jesus came to the earth to give his life as a ransom in exchange for ours so that we might gain everlasting life.
Compare Matthew 20:28/1Timothy 2:6

But what is the “ransom” and why did he have to give his life in the first place? The basic understanding of the word “ransom” means a price paid for the release of one held in slavery/bondage.
How did we get into slavery? And to what?

We’ll do well to consider what transpired in the garden of Eden about six millennia ago. Jehovah created Adam, he was made perfect, given him a home, satisfying work, a spouse, nutritious food but he was given something even more precious—the prospect of living forever—on earth. Genesis 2:17

But this precious gift was to be gotten only through adherence to God’s simple command. As we all know, Adam&Eve sinned, lost the opportunity of living forever here on earth. They and their unborn children were thereby tainted by sin and condemned/made slaves to death. Genesis 3:19, Psalm 51:5, Romans 5:12

This brings us back to John 3:16. Jehovah had to send his perfect Son[Hebrews 7:26] to die in our behalf in order that we might regain that long lost promise of endless life that was promised to Adam. compare 1Corinthians 15:22

Since we are all imperfect[tainted] humans, no matter how much effort is put, we cannot erase inherited sin and death from themselves. Psalm 49:7-9
Several alchemists during the Dark Ages even tried to extend their lives, all to no avail. This comes as no surprise, after all we were all made with the desire to live forever. Ecclesiastes 3:11

That’s why Jehovah did not leave humans to their fate, otherwise we are all dead men walking. So in order, not to die anymore, one must take in knowledge of Jehovah, exercise faith in and obey Jesus Christ. John 6:40, 17:3
Anyone who refuses to obey Jesus Christ is already condemned to death. John 3:36

P.S. Everlasting life is not to be confused with immortality, since that’s a different ball game.

Tcwork:
Yes I said so. Jesus was the first fruit of resurrection. Before the resurrection of Christ these faithful men where yet to rise. But the parable of Jesus and the visit of Elijah and Moses tells us where they where

Ahh, I thought you said those faithful men and women already have “eternal life”? You’re speaking from two sides of your mouth now?

I will requote my earlier comment for you to see again.

DappaD:

Because as we know, even David was given a promise that his offspring[Messiah] would rule in a Kingdom that God would set up[2Samuel 7:12-13] and David put faith in those words yet he never saw the fulfillment of it in that he never got to be part of the arrangement. Acts 2:29-34
That’s the import of Hebrews 11:39-40.

Just admit that you’ve already been cornered with no way out and go to bed.

Emusan:
Says the deluded JWs who has sold his conscience to those 8 old fool men.

Your salvation depends on you acknowledging those “8 old men”. Matthew 25:34-40
You go dey there think say na play.

This is because you lack indepth of the Word of God and refused to learn simply because your dull brain is left in the hands of those 8 men.
Facts from the scripture!
1. God is unlimited and His ways are unsearchable.Then if God is unlimited and His ways are unsearchable, who are you to claim you God can't split Himself? Even though that's not what Trinity is all about but just from your dark understand of what Trinity entails just as your demonic organization always misrepresents the teaching of Trinity.
2. Only God is Eternal Yet from scripture we read thatHoly Spirit is eternal The Word (Jesus) is eternal.Lastly, you won't receive sense until the day you'll be able to differentiate between when scripture is talking about preincarnation of Jesus Christ and when He became part of creation.

Okay. You’re just making spurious claims with no scriptural basis and you want someone to validate them for you? Miss me with that.
Simple question—who was Jesus referring to at Revelation 3:12 as “My God”?

Tcwork:
Mr DappaD
Now you are over doing it.
What does Hebrew 12.1 add to this talk...
So, then, because we have such a great cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also throw off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us,+ and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.We have over 2k views on this thread not all are as brilliant as you sir. I agree, you know the bible very well but help us by explaining and showing how what you write relates. Please

You keep mulling over insignificant details. Can I ask the reason why? It seems I need to be more succinct with my replies to you.

Tcwork:

Claim down but like I said you quote does not in any way indicate that. First your quote shows that these were men of faith. They had faith in christ and because of that they where promised eternal life. But they could not obtain it yet until Christ came and paid the price. How does this scripture have a bearing with anything you are saying

Before it was “the scriptures I quoted do not support my points” now it has come to you misconstruing a simple and direct statement made by Paul at Hebrews 11:39-40
You’ve been saying that the faithful men and women of old have already gained everlasting life, can you please provide the scripture?

Because as we know, even David was given a promise that his offspring[Messiah] would rule in a Kingdom that God would set up[2Samuel 7:12-13] and David put faith in those words yet he never saw the fulfillment of it in that he never got to be part of the arrangement. Acts 2:29-34
That’s the import of Hebrews 11:39-40.

Tcwork:
Baba calm down no one hates you. No need to feel that important. Not everyone would accept your message doesn't mean we hate you. Some of my best friends till this day are JW members. I have contributed to your books and have visited your church a number of times.

Be careful not to allow pride becloud your reasoning. Matthew 6:2

Tcwork:
Honestly sir You say something but quote something else.. for example you quoted Hebrews 11.35
Women received their dead by resurrection,+ but other men were tortured because they would not accept release by some ransom, in order that they might attain a better resurrection.
How does this relate to anything you said.
I only want you to make yourself more clear. Ok
I may not be as smart as you are and many others on the tread may not be that smart so do us all the favor and show us how these scriptures reflex your views

Hebrews 11:39,40 NWT
“And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise because God had foreseen something better for us, so that they might not be made perfect apart from us”

I know this scripture will be giving you severe headache by now but this is strong proof that not one of the faithful men and women before Jesus Christ are yet qualified for everlasting life. Paul refers to all of them as the “great cloud of witnesses” meaning they are also of great value to Jehovah but are not qualified to receive the gift of everlasting life yet. Hebrews 12:1
Just take your time to digest it slowly so you don’t run into further problems.

LebenNG:

No one is ridiculing anything, u guys started that first... i wonder how texts matter now, what happened to the message conveyed?, did he speak the modern English of that time?, why is the NWT bible not translated in the original language of that time?, since u people are so desperate to be Assistant Jesus.

Let me be the one to tell you that you made absolutely zero sense with this comment you made.

Tcwork:
None of the scriptures you use correspond with your points.

All this one just to dodge the discussion abi. You won’t just admit that there’s nothing else you have to say on the matter. Indeed, the wisdom—which God gives[James 1:5]—is vindicated[proved righteous] by works/actions. Matthew 11:19

Janosky:
Emusan LIENUS would REMOVE John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12 from his own Bible if he could.

Emusan’s conscience has been thoroughly beaten. It’s usually he and his bandwagon of trinitarians who claim that Jesus split into two from his Father and sent one part of himself to the earth[basis not found in the scriptures]
But how come Revelation 1:1 & 3:12,21 is now saying something different? So after ascension, why did Jesus did not merge back into his Father?
Why was he still was calling somebody
“My God, My God” @Rev 3:12 if he himself is God biko?

Tcwork:

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What is your point.
You stated that the prophets of old did not believe in Christ I have showed you that they did. What more do you want to say.
You claim they are not entitled to eternal life. But that is your opinion. The bible never said so.
So what is your point?
If they did not have faith in him, they wouldn't have prophecied about him. Did the bible ever say that they did not have faith in Christ or is it your opinion?
I respect your opinion on the visit of Moses and Elijah but it's your personal opinion. And please could you give scripture that correlate with what you say. Not one of the scriptures you give correlate with what you say. It's really unfair.

Tcwork:

DappaD D
We are talking about many things at the same time. Let's take it one by one. You said the prophets did not have much faith in Christ. Please could we disuss that first.
And please stop using scripture that don't apply to what you are saying.

There’s actually no need for much deliberation. Paul has already summarised everything about this discussion in Hebrews 11:39.

Moreover, those going to heaven to rule along Jesus are partakers of the new covenant.
Luke 22:28-30, Hebrews 8:8-12
And if I can remember clearly, Moses, Samuel, David, Solomon etc were all under the old covenant when they died. Exodus 19:5
So what’s the essence of God establishing a new covenant that is completely different from the former if those under the old one will still benefit from the new one? Jeremiah 31:31-34

All you need to do is understand what “everlasting life” is, so that you’ll stop mistaking it for life in heaven.

Tcwork:

Boss, I just laugh when you talk like this. You may not believe it but I actually like you guys and I understand why you are coming from.
Half the time, I laugh when I read your responses especially when some of you get abusive.
But generally I like you guys

Even the Jews who listened to Jesus liked his manner of teaching and they were even astounded by the wisdom portrayed in his words.
Matthew 7:28-29, John 7:46
But how many of them were willing to follow the Messiah even if it meant facing opposition from family and society? Matthew 16:24
John 12:42-43 says that those men though, they knew Jesus was the Messiah refused to acknowledge him publicly because of fear of the oppressive religious leaders in their day. So if you want to REALLY follow Jesus Christ, you must be willing to break free from false religious ideologies and teachings. Revelation 18:4

Tcwork:

So because David did not have eternal life you believe that Abraham and Moses and Elijah suffered the same faith. Pls quote for me. I am listening.
Now you quote John 3.16 to show what really. In case you don't know, every single prophet knew and testified of Jesus Christ. You are not the first to know Christ.
Please read
Acts 10.43
To him all the prophets bear witness,+ that everyone putting faith in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”+
Even before the birth of Christ the prophets believe in him read your bible.
The old testament testified of Jesus Christ John 5.39 “You are searching the Scriptures+ because you think that you will have everlasting life by means of them; and these are the very ones* that bear witness about me.Still quoting your bible, you learn that the prophecies were all inspired by the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelations 19.10
At that I fell down before his feet to worship him. But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that!+ I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning Jesus.+ Worship God!+ For the witness concerning Jesus is what inspires prophecy.
So never you think that these holy prophets did not believe in Christ and are lost?

I’m very very very, very busy today but I’ll give you a suitable reply nonetheless.
Yes, all those ancient Hebrew prophets all had a thing or two to say about the Messiah.
See Deuteronomy 18:15, Psalm 2:6, Isaiah 42:1, 53:8-12, Jeremiah 23:5, Daniel 9:26, Ezekiel 21:26-27, Micah 5:2, Zechariah 9:9 etc
BUT none of them saw the fulfillment of those prophecies. Hebrews 11:39
So how could they have exercised faith and obeyed someone that had not come at the appointed time? Galatians 4:4-5

I intentionally used John 3:16 because it is a popular scripture used by your churches. Most of you people think “everlasting life” means going to heaven but fail to realize that Adam had the same prospect if he had remained obedient.
Genesis 2:17

No one ever said those prophets are lost and forgotten, Jehovah will surely remember and resurrect them to perfect human lives here on earth. John 5:28-29, Acts 24:15

Next you try to connect Matthew 26:52 and John 18:36 but still the scripture do not share your view. Again I wouldn't spoonfeed you. Go and read again.

So let me ask you now. During the WWII, when the Axis and Allies powers were pitted against each other. Didn’t we see German Catholics kill Italian Catholics, German Protestants kill Italian Protestants and so on? Which Lord approved of those churches going to war to slaughter their members please?

Your Bible said that what Peter, James and John saw was a vision. Matthew 17:9. Please what is a vision. A vision does not mean they saw things that do not exist. You could just use you dictionary to find the meaning of a vision.
Now you don't understand the meaning of a parable. A parable is not a fable.
Don't forget Elijah went to heaven as a living man. Think about that. That alone proofs your teachings wrong.
Go back and read the old testament. There is nothing you know about Jesus Christ that the prophets of old did not know double.

Moses and Elijah were long dead.
Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
They were represented in the vision but only Jesus Christ was literally present. Most people like you don’t know the real meaning of 2Kings 2:11. You assume that Elijah went to the “heavens” when there are actually different types of heavens such as the sky. See Genesis 1:8
Elijah couldn’t have gone to the spiritual heavens for the following reasons in John 3:13, 1Corinthians 15:36 & 1Corinthians 15:50 but that’s by the way.
If the latter part of Luke 16 is to be taken literal then you’ll have no problem explaining these?

DappaD:
1. Since the rich man died and was buried, why wasn't Lazarus buried? So angels normally carry people after they die now?
2. What did Lazarus do to merit going to Abraham’s bosom and what wrong did the rich man commit? Because the account simply said that the rich man received good things and there was no mention of any crime he did.

Tcwork:
Oga wait you say Abraham Moses Samuel and Elijah do not qualify for eternal life? But you qualify right?

All those aforementioned, though servants of Jehovah according to the understanding they had then, do not qualify for everlasting life yet that’s why Peter said David was still in the dust of the earth! Acts 2:29,34
So how many of them saw Jesus Christ and exercised faith in him? John 3:16
Those faithful men will be resurrected here on earth since they DO NOT qualify for everlasting life yet. Acts 24:15

I don't know the bible you use but in my bible these men are all balling in eternal life. The verses John 17.14-16, 18.36 do not speak about politics talk more of political neutrality. How do you people even come up with these things.

Try and connect Matthew 26:52 and John 18:36 you’ll see the point I’m driving at. I do not need to spoonfeed you.

Your bible did not teach you that Elijah and Moses visited Christ and Peter witnessed.

My own Bible said that what Peter, James and John saw was a vision. Matthew 17:9

Even in a parable the good lazarus was in Abrahams bossom .

So where is Abraham’s bosom please? You called it a parable yet you want to interpret it literally. If you want to miscontrue the latter portion of Luke 16 you’ll run into a number of problems because for one, what wrong acts did the rich man clothed in purple do to suffer torment and what good acts did Lazarus do to go to Abraham’s bosom?

So if these holy prophets according to you, would not gain eternity, who would, you?

You’ll not find a single verse in the Old Testament—Not ONE—where Jehovah ever promises anyone going to heaven. Whenever his faithful servants were about to die, God usually said: “You will be gathered to your people” that is, they are to return to the dust not heaven. Compare Isaiah 26:19

Now you got many things wrong. Why would you call Peter controversial, hope you know the meaning of controversial.When Jesus Christ asked for swords, they already had 2 swords. Meaning that the Apostles had weapons during Christ ministry with them not only staffs.
Now you claim to know the mind of Jesus Christ that the swords was to teach Peter and not for defence. Well that is a very personal opinion.
I believe all you wrote is just your personal opinion and has nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus asked his disciples to BUY those swords so that he would teach them a lesson on meekness. Read Luke 22:36-38 carefully.
Please stop twisting the scriptures to fit your own thinking it won’t augur well with you. 2Peter 3:16

Tcwork:

Funny you... I ask you these questions because I am interested in learning your views. But I love it when you use the scriptures and not your own view.Jesus Christ told Peter in just one instance, not you or I to keep his sword. That obviously was not a commandment for all.
You very well know many holy prophets took part in war and blood shed. Abraham had to save lots from captivity. So if your interpretation is right Abraham should be burning in he'll along with Moses and many other.
Maybe you guys should review your stand on Matthew 26:52
At other times in the bible, Jesus Christ /Jehovah had led the army of Israel.
He is the prince of peace yet mighty in battle.
I am actually surprised that the biggest doctrine of your church is based entirely on a personal one time message to Peter.Like I said wars did not begin on earth. The hostiger of heaven are not new to fighting wars hence it is no sin.But if that verse is what defines your religion, then good for you.And don't think your organization is facing any persecution. Have you heard of the Uyghur Muslims of China.If you think it's bad for you just read about the Uyghur and you would be double grateful to be Jw

None of those persons you mentioned above—whether Abraham, Joshua or David[active men of war] are qualified for everlasting life yet since the Law is meant to lead to the Messiah who will rescue people from sin and death.
Galatians 3:13,24, Romans 8:21

That’s why we must listen to Jesus Christ if we want to gain everlasting life. John 3:36
So stop becoming wise in your own eyes sir it won’t do you any good. Romans 12:16

Have you forgotten that Peter is a very controversial character?
Ordinarily when Jesus and his disciples go on their preaching tours they only carry a staff for support and not even swords for any reason whatsoever. Mark 6:7-9

But on this occasion, Jesus asked his disciples to buy swords, not for defensive purposes but to teach his disciples[especially Peter] a good lesson that would be imprinted in their hearts and minds. Luke 22:36-38

Jesus knew that Peter acted on every impulse and was presumptuous in his conduct so when he struck the ear of the slave Malchus, Jesus used that avenue to further buttress the point to his disciples that they must never resolve conflicts in that manner and they must remain neutral concerning political and social matters of the world since God’s Kingdom is not of an earthly source. John 17:14-16,18:36

Kingfragz:
but u using social media bros....

I know. It’s the dangers of SM that is usually stressed on.
On a faceless media like nairaland, we cannot really ascertain the spiritual standing of all who might claim to be JWs online since there are a number of apostates on this forum too so that’s why we’re to use discretion. You can shoot me an email let’s relate a bit.

Kingfragz:
I dont get.....I dey Nigerian sign language field Bros....

Okay if that’s the case, then you’re aware of the warnings that the “faithful” slave has issued on the use of social media and its dangers so I don’t need to tell you again. Psalm 26:4
It’s nice to meet you, Kingfragz.

Kingfragz:
I am...

Excuse me?

Kingfragz:
never said I didn't have friends o bros...enjoy

Are you one of Jehovah’s Witnesses already or are you looking forward to studying with one?

OP please what are your thoughts on Revelation 3:21?

haddeylium:

Nahhh
What's your understanding of John 17: 15,16
While you're it
Address DappaD's quote ahbegg
Jesus said his disciples must preach and bear his Witness
But, the authorities decreed against this.
What do you think ?
Someone that pledge loyalty to his country and Christ should do what?

Jesus’ words at Matthew 5:22 & Luke 6:27-30 mean nothing to him so let him continue his rants.

Tcwork:

Boss I believe most of you statements are controversial and they cancel out previous statements you have made.You claim to be citizens of a country you have zero allegiance to.
You ask how can you love other if you have allegiance to your country. Well I have allegiance to my country still I love and show love to others.
Loving your country does not make you hate the world. Currently I live outside nigeria. I do not go about hating the people here.That would even be un-Nigerian.You say you want to teach me. I am open to your teachings but I can't just accept a controversial teaching.Paul expected some privileges because of his roman citizenship that means he understood roman allegiance. And I don't quote scriptures for nothing, I do it so that I am not speaking with my own authority.
Again what does allegiance to your country mean? It simply means to recognize and obey the laws of your country. Now let someone ask, if you see me killing or raping a woman, would you just flee as you as the bible teaches us, even if you don't know the victim. Or would you do all you can to save the victim even if it means hurting me or killing me?

It can be very easy to quote Romans 13:1 when you would like to justify anything that has to do with the government.

Jehovah demands we give complete devotion/allegiance to him alone.
Exodus 34:14, Colossians 3:23
What happens when you try to divide it between God and something else? Would God be pleased? 1Corinthians 10:20-22

That’s why Jesus struck a balance between obeying God and obeying the human authorities. Matthew 22:21

For Jehovah’s sake, we should be submissive to every form of authority and governments[1Peter 2:13, Titus 3:1] but not when their rules run contrary to God’s will and commands.

For instance, in Jerusalem, a decree was passed by the authorities that the Christians should cease their preaching and teaching activity, but what was the response of those Christians to the authorities despite being submissive to them?
Read Acts 5:28-29
Who should they obey now, their Lord & Master Jesus[Matthew 24:14, 28:19-20; Acts 1:8] or the authorities?

coperatee01:
pls someone should help me cause am dying from depression.Nothing in this live gives me joy anylonger..the reason am still living is 1 .fear of going to hell if i kill myself.2.because of my mum.

I found this article to be very helpful in these kind of circumstances.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201310/what-is-depression/

Preciousgirl:

There is nothing like Jehovah in the scriptures
If you are referring to the Tetragrammaton, it is YHWH and the Jews were not pronouncing it out of reverence
The NAME given among men onto salvation is
JESUS; the name u hate

The same Jews who all rejected Jesus Christ?
Mark 6:4

IamAtikulate:
Proofs of Hell Fire
Matthew 13:50
and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 18:8
“If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire.
Matthew 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Matthew 18:9
If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.
Luke 16:24
And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’
Mark 9:43
If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,
Isaiah 66:24
“Then they will go forth and look on the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm will not die and their fire will not be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all mankind.”
Mark 9:48
where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.

There’s no proof up there, all I see are JJST desperate attempts at misconstruing Jesus’ words.
Please please please leave Luke 16 out of this. It has nothing to do with this so-called “hellfire”.

So somebody will actually take his eyes, tongue, feet and hands to this “hellfire”? Mark 9:48 you quoted finds its parallel at Isaiah 66:24, right? Ans Isaiah 66:24 said it was “corpses” or “carcasses” that are being thrown into Gehenna[a place in former Jerusalem where rubbish and condemned criminals were incinerated].
So it is not even living humans but corpses. I hope you can see that?

IamAtikulate:

1. The soul will die ... Second death but you are misinterpreting that Ezekiel. Soul also means life e.g Let save a soul.
That verse says "The life of every person belongs to me, the life of the parents as well as the child. The person who sins is the person who will die"
Always understand context before jumping into conclusion.

The Hebrew word translated soul is nephesh which literally means a “breathing creature” which is the person himself not something that is inside a person. Genesis 2:7
Humans and animals ARE souls, they don’t possess one. Numbers 31:28, Ecclesiastes 3:19-21

2. Matthew 10:28 just proved everything. The verse says"Be not afraid of those that can kill the body but not the soul but only God that can perish both the body and soul in hell"

Rather than delve into much detail, why not consider the parallel rendering at Luke 12:4? That’ll help you get a clearer understanding.

The Bible didn't use grave but hell. Grave and hell are not the same thing.

Okay, but the same “hell” that was thrown into a lake of fire? Revelation 20:14
C’mon you can’t tell me you missed that important detail.

From that verse, you could see that the soul is immortal at death. Human and death can harm the body but not the soul. Only God can perish the soul.

You’ll never find the words “immortal soul” anywhere in the Bible. According to the Bible, the only two persons who are immortal: God[Jeremiah 10:10, Habakkuk 1:12] and his Son, Jesus after he was resurrected from the dead.[Romans 6:9-10, 1Timothy 6:15]
None other in the Bible are described as being immortal, not even the angels that’s why Matthew 25:41 speaks of the rebellious angels attaining destruction.

3. The soul doesn't reside in the grave. The body prerishes in grave and it is conscious of nothing.

Go and tell Psalm 88:3 and Ecclesiastes 3:20 that one. Like as already been said, “hell” translated of your Bible actually means “Grave” in English. That’s why Job was telling God to conceal him there. Job 14:13
The KJV translators only saw it fit to change the rendering to “hell” in the NT, to fit their own doctrines because even Jesus went there and stayed there for 3½days. Acts 2:27

needanswer:
I like to learn and I like their company so I will continue but I may have to adjust my life style if I choice to become serious with it.

Exactly. What you’ve just admitted is the truth and is in line with Ephesians 4:22-24 and Colossians 3:9-10

You know—according to Jesus Christ—the truth about Jehovah, the ransom, God’s Kingdom are like a treasure and a precious pearl, like he mentioned in one of his parables.
Matthew 13:44-46

If we do value what this ‘pearl’ that is—the undiluted truth—then the necessary steps will follow i.e. stripping off the old personality and practices of the world and embracing a new personality that befits one who’s professing godly devotion.

So be resolved to acquire this precious truth about Jehovah and never let it go for any reason at all. Proverbs 23:23

needanswer:

And here you go. If you were not a Jw and a Jw like you preached to you, I dont think you will appreciate or listen to this approach of yours.
In marketing this your approach wont win you customers, and one thing I know is JW's are marketing jehovah and the future things he says. I dont even think you are marketing yourself but someone of higher authority, this is not the way to do it. In my locality if a king sends a messenger a message he will deliver it the way it will soothe the king and not the reverse.
And you say if I love the truth I shouldn't be offended. Am I not a human? If you say things crudely or harshly even if you feel it's the truth, I may still feel offended by the way you presented it. You dont walk up to a Muslim and tell him Allah is false just like that even if you believe it is true, he most likely wont listen to you and even harm you. But there are others ways you can help him see you view as true. This your style of Jw is alarming. Sometimes I wonder if that elderly "brother and sister" are just pretending or they are secretly like you.

Yes we are trained as Jehovah’s Witnesses to apply tact and gentility when preaching and teaching others. 2Timothy 2:24
And like you stated from the onset, their fine conduct played a vital role in drawing you to the truth. Matthew 5:13-16, 1Peter 2:12
Also, like other humans, we stumble and make mistakes(James 3:2)but what’s most important is how we recover, which shows humility on our part too. James 4:6

needanswer:
I know Jehovah's witnesses, a jw couple use to come to my house to study with me and they were always gracious and gentle with their speech, even when we dont agree sometimes.
We still study on zoom despite the lockdown and I must say its not their preaching that gets to me, it's their speech and fine conduct.Always very helpful and considerate but this your type of JW, I have never seen it before, very confrontational when you can ignore or give a milder answer.

The bolded caught my attention. Continue taking in accurate knowledge of the true God Jehovah, dear sir/ma. John 17:3
In time you’ll come to see the many benefits as you make the truth your own.
John 8:32, Romans 12:2

Janosky:
bingbagbo version of Trinity DELUSION

Your Trinity mentors and Godfathers ,(the CC members ) & other 3 idol spirits worshippers will attack your GIBBERISH in droves.

Trinity scam with many diverse versions

Let him allow his brethren to also express their own opinions and thoughts on the matter.
After all their Holy Ghost which they say is a person is speaking through all of them. Abi no be so again?

Marshal9:
I'm someone that believes dreams are our recollected memory playing itself over and over like a tape on repeat.
But I've been having this dreams since I was a kid.
I've seen myself flying. It happens always and I never forget that particular dream when I do.
I understand that forgetting dreams have to do with a neurochemical reactions in the cerebral cortex of our brains particularly on something we cast our minds less.
But I've never thought of flying(thats not even possible) but why does it keep re-occurring.
I could forget 80% of my dreams upon waking up but I never forget the ones I've flown in it. Funny I kinda like the feeling though it's out of the world but I think it's about time I shared.
Perhaps someone with better enlightenment can help.

An interesting thought is shared at Ecclesiastes 5:3 that may be of concern to you. Like in your own case, someone who might dwell much on entertainment that stirs up one’s imagination and curiousity would begin to replay such cognitive pictures while asleep. But of course such dreams are completely natural and bear no real significance if the person in question has nothing to do with spiritistic practices.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12, Zechariah 10:2