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Thazard:
I mean are you saying Jesus Christ was rich or he was poor?

Jesus Christ focused on the more important things[Philippians 1:10] which was preaching and teaching about God’s Kingdom. Luke 4:43
If you are familiar with the Sermon on the Mount, you’d notice when he admonished his listeners not to have a materialistic outlook.
Matthew 6:24-33 compare 1Timothy 6:9,10
So do you think Jesus will not practice what he preached and lead by example? 1Peter 2:21

That’s not to say that one cannot be rich but that person has to use discernment and has to be content[1Timothy 6:6, Hebrews 13:5] so as not to get carried away by the deceptive power of riches.
Matthew 13:22

Being rich spiritually is what’s most important.
Matthew 6:20, 1Timothy 6:18

Thazard:
So which side are you on.

What do you mean?

Thazard:
I and my friend are having an argument ,
It's a simple question.
Was Jesus Christ rich on earth?

He didn’t even have a personal home.
Matthew 8:20

sonmvayina:
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I didn’t ask you to send me any link. Just provide answers to my questions with Scriptures.

sonmvayina:
The messiah will be from the tribe of judah, through solomons lineage..he will have a father and mother. He is in no way divine or Gods son..

So which Jew today can rightfully claim to be the descendant of any of the tribes of Israel? Talk more of Judah? Remember that the genealogical records of the Jews were destroyed when Rome destroyed Jerusalem.

If the messiah has come you folks wilk not be going round knocking on peoples door, they will be world wide peace. Every body will see it..that has not happen, we as well as the jews are still waiting.
He is coming once to do all these things..no second coming arrangements..
You are following an idol created by Rome. Open your eyes..

1. Can I ask you the Scripture in the Old Testament that says that the Messiah’s rulership will be peaceful? I know all the scriptures that says that already but I want to test you whether you will quote that same one you said was referring to king Hezekiah.

2. Psalm 16:10, Isaiah 53:8-12, Daniel 9:26 shows that the Messiah was going to die on his first arrival.

3. Will the Messiah force peace on everybody? If yes, what makes him different from the United Nations that use show of force to bring nations to a so-called treaty of peace?

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Can you explain where in this passage said they are/were in Heaven? On the contrary, verse 2 mentioned a voice from Heaven. Why and how did you connect it with Hebrews to suit your denomination teaching. i can very well link it to other scriptures too for my convenience(compare 2Samuel 5:7 you know?), knowing tens of other earth Zion verses. Why did you leave the context?

C’mon don’t tell me you didn’t see in the verse 3 and 4 that these set of people were bought/redeemed from the earth/out of mankind? There is a liaison between Revelation 14:1-5 and Hebrews 12:22 because the latter mentions a Mount Zion[heavenly Jerusalem].

Tcwork:
Are you blaming him for your sins? What Bad did Adam do to you? Oh you wanted to remain in the garden forever? Sorry then
Adam played his role, Christ played his role... you and I have our roles to play?
So you created new meaning to a simple scripture just to blame Adam abi?

It seems you’re too far gone to understand some really basic and mundane things. It’s no one’s fault if assimilation is a problem for you so please take full responsibility and don’t push that problem to others. All you need is to focus on one thing at a time.
Take the stress and time now and go through all those Scriptures before you say the scriptures don’t relate. Then you’ll see the very “bad” thing Adam did to all of us who are his descendants.

Tcwork:

That's exactly my point, you compare Adam to Jesus Christ and it does not even gel.
Yes all men know right from wrong after Adam ate the fruit.
Or are you now comparing all men to Jesus Christ also?
Please go back to topic. Do your research and come up with a good reason why the fruit of knowledge of good and evil isn't what the bible said it was

I’m not the one comparing Adam to Jesus. Go and ask Paul why he did so.
Romans 5:17-19, 1Corinthians 15:21,22,45,47
The main thing I’ve been saying is, if Adam didn’t know the difference between good and evil, then he’s not to blame na? Since yesterday you’ve been running from this claiming that the scriptures do not match meanwhile that’s just a subtle ploy of yours to deviate from the topic.

Tcwork:

Acts 17.29
Therefore, since we are the children* of God,+ we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and design of humans.+
So what is your point here.
Yes this is social media you can make a clear point.
The issue was about Adam and the knowledge of good and evil but instead you have been giving me verses that talk about Jesus Christ
We are all in the image of God so what is your point sir

If I should ask you what the relation is between what I’m saying and Acts 17:29, would you be able to give me a clear answer?
The words in highlight should answer your question and put a stop to this seemingly endless loop of debates. If we[including Adam] are all made in the image of God, then Adam also knew the difference between right and wrong. Come to your own conclusions from that.

Tcwork:

Are you sure you understand the questions I asked?
These are the scriptures you referee us to...many of them don't even impact the topic in anyway
Revelations 3.14
“To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa+ write: These are the things that the Amen+ says, the faithful and true+ witness,+ the beginning of the creation by God:
Luke 3.38
son of Eʹnosh,+
son of Seth,+
son of Adam,+
son of God.
Colossians 1.15-16
He is the image of the invisible God,+ the firstborn of all creation;+ 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,+ whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created
Hebrews 1.3
He is the reflection of God’s glory+ and the exact representation of his very being,+ and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins,+ he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high
Oga most of the verses you quoted talk about Jesus not Adam.
And none address the question in any way.
It pains me that I had to read these scriptures one by one only to find that you were not even relating to the question

Revelation 3:14&Colossians 1:15-16 says that Jesus is Jehovah’s Firstborn and also that he is the image of God wrt to Hebrews 1:3.
Luke 3:38 calls Adam the “son of God” because he was created directly by Jehovah. Compare Genesis 2:7
Can you focus on the major points instead of always deflecting to minor details and complaining that the quoted scriptures do not match when in fact you’re the one who hasn’t taken out time to read and understand them?
Tcwork, this is social media I cannot spell out every single thing for you here. You’re going to have to keep up.

Image123:
i promised to be nice. Show me where 144,000 people are in Heaven?

Revelation 14:1-5 shows a fixed number of anointed and sealed Christians standing on a heavenly Mount Zion. Compare Hebrews 12:22

Image123:
You are noticed, thanks for coming but it says nothing of such.

2Pe 3:5  For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 
2Pe 3:6  Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

It’s the same way this present “world” of humans will pass away. 1John 2:17
This earth isn’t going anywhere. Psalm 104:5, Ecclesiastes 1:4

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So we bless God for Peter. The earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 3:12 the elements shall melt with fervent heat 3:13 His promise for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

You need this earth to be destroyed so badly that you missed the last part of 2Peter 3:7 that says it would be the destruction of ungodly people and not the literal earth. Yes we thank God for Peter indeed because the old heavens and the old earth is Noah’s day was also destroyed but here we are. 2Peter 3:5-6

Tcwork:
Now you are going round in circles are you saying Adam’s knowledge was same with God's or not.
What else do you want the bible to say before you understand.
You big point is because he was in the image of God he must have had such knowledge.
Still you agree that having the image of God did not guarantee him all of God's knowledge.
If you believe that the fruit of knowledge of good and evil meant something else, could you using the bible point to its new meaning.
If you truly believe that the tree of knowledge of good and evil meant something else and you are not justhe arguing for the sake of it, please show any verse that explains it your way. If you don't have any verse that shows your view then ask your friends to help you so we don't continue to go in circles

I’m trying to draw a line here between Adam and Jesus Christ but it’s sad that you can’t see it. As has been said already, they were both firstBorns. One in spirit and one in flesh and both are/were perfect.
Luke 3:38, Revelation 3:14

Like Adam was, Jesus Christ is also the image of the invisible God[Colossians 1:15-16 compare Hebrews 1:3]because he reflects Jehovah’s qualities of humility, compassion, love to the highest degree[Matthew 11:29, Mark 1:40-42, Philippians 2:3-5]
But he acknowledged that all that he knew and taught stemmed from his Father and that he didn’t possess them innately. John 12:49-50

Tcwork:

We get all this but what I need to understand from you is Adams perfection. Did Adam have all the knowledge and personality of God?
This had been the real discussion. You said Adam was perfect so he could not be lacking in knowledge.

Refer to this earlier post of mine. The “tree of knowledge of good and bad” is what seems to be confusing you.

DappaD:
Adam’s mental powers were fully active. In fact, his human nature and his brain was the most glorious because he was personally molded by Jehovah God. Genesis 2:7, Luke 3:38
Moreover he was made in God’s image so he could think, feel and make decisions. Genesis 1:26

Adam was not stupid if not it would mean that God was being dubious on his part by telling him the tree of knowledge of good and bad was off limits. Genesis 2:17

Jehovah needed to put an object of authority before Adam to let him know his freedom is not absolute else there would be chaos since there will be a great number of his intelligent kind who would come after him. So the tree was just symbolizing God’s authority over Adam because Jehovah should be the only person who should set standards of good and bad for all humans. compare Proverbs 3:5-7

Tcwork:

We have little or no record of the life's of the first Christian in fact o ly the book of acts gives a brief history of the early Christians.
Also, not every fight is carried outhe with guns. Jesus fought the leadership system of the jews. There are some many ways to engage. War is just 1 option
It's also possible that the early church was not equipped or organized enough to defend itself from rome.
Luke 14.28
to build a tower does not first sit down and calculate the expense to see if he has enough to complete it? 29 Otherwise, he might lay its foundation but not be able to finish it, and all the onlookers would start to ridicule him, 30 saying: ‘This man started to build but was not able to finish.’ 31 Or what king marching out against another king in war does not first sit down and take counsel whether he is able with 10,000 troops to stand up to the one who comes against him with 20,000? 32 If, in fact, he cannot do so, then while that one is yet far away, he sends out a body of ambassadors and sues for peace.
The early Christians where few and ill equipped for a war.

It’s one thing to reject Jesus’ own words, it’s another to miscontrue them. What does the illustration Jesus gave in Luke 14:28 have to do with his disciples going to war? Jesus is only stressing the importance of planning and considering the cost of being his disciple. Compare Proverbs 21:5, Matthew 16:24
It has nothing to do with Jesus’ disciples going to war because there’s enough evidence—both Biblical and secular that points to the REAL Christian group as being defenseless because they were occupied with the preaching of the good news. The Acts of the apostles is littered with the experiences of those first century Christians especially Paul. There are also secular records like the Antiquities of the Jews written by Josephus that shows that the Christian group were persecuted and did not engage in political/military affairs because of being no part of the world. John 17:14-16

Tcwork:

Wait are you now saying that it's possible Adam did not know everything Jehovah knew despite the fact that he was perfect?
If so the why have we been arguing. Now you should be able to believe the bible and what it teaches about the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.
Sorry, I am not getting you, what lie are you saying God told Adam and eve?

Jesus had to be taught by his Father because the wisdom and knowledge he portrayed wasn’t innate. John 7:16
Yet he did the will of Jehovah[John 4:34] something that his perfect human equivalent, Adam had failed to do. Romans 5:18

Tcwork:
You are free to condemn anyone. No one said the early Christians were perfect. Did you even understand my post

The REAL Christians never took up weapons to force anybody to convert. Matthew 26:52
Instead, they were intensely persecuted by the Roman authorities who claimed that the new Christians otherwise called “Messianists” were odd people, they didn’t mix in with the Greek culture and practice interfaith because of their stand and so were persecuted for that.
John 15:18-20, 2Corinthians 6:14-17

Tcwork:

The simple answer to your question can be found in history.
The disciples of Christ continued to spread his words despite opposition yet they continued as good citizens. Soon the nations of the west became Christians. Today Christianity i's the world's biggest religion.
Christianity did not spread because a group disassociated themselves from society and citizenship.
Instead, it became mainstream and was an unstoppable force.
As christians we have a right to fight to make a community our society a better place.
That was what people like Martin Luther Did laying the foundation for people like you to preach without persecution in most parts of the world.
Christianity blossomed, human rights and the Rights of Man sprang forth and the world became a better place for us all because of the efforts of many great Christians.
When Jesus Christ was on Earth he was also pushing the agenda of change.
He sought to make he's Nation that's the Jewish Nation a better place he wanted to free the people from the Burdens placed on them by their religious leaders. That shows you that a Christian is an agent of change in society.
Jesus Christ was very mindful of his Jewish community. His gospel was for the jews, his people first before the rest of the world.
He even referee to a non Jewish woman seeking his help as a dog. Jesus Christ loved his people the jews. He kept Jewish customs yet he fought against corruption like trading in the temple. As christians, we fight to make our country a better place

After the first century, all those supposed “Christians” were all Grecian philosophers and pagan worshipers. How else would you explain the Inquisition? So-called holy wars and crusades? Most especially by the Catholic Church? Shame of you to even call such a dastardly act an “unstoppable force”.
Jesus told his own disciples that they must preach and teach others peacefully[Matthew 10:11-13, 28:19,20; Acts 1:8] so as to allow others make the truth their own[Romans 12:1,2] and not to go and threaten the lives of people, torture them and even burning many alive on the stake. They took time to christianize their pagan religions in the process that’s why you have all manner of false holidays springing from modern religions e.g. Christmas, Easter, Valentine and so on.
So indeed, what Jesus said at Matthew 13:24-30 took shape after the first century overseers[Paul, Peter, John etc] all died.
Compare Acts 20:29,30; 2Peter 2:1

Tcwork:

Are you saying that Adam was created in God's image so just as God in perfect, Adam was perfect?
That Adam was just as complete as God, having all knowledge like God, have a of God's attributes, emotions (the same mind as God) and power. Hence there was no way he could not have the knowledge of Good and evil?
Is this what you have been trying to say?
Also let me ask, was eve also a complete and perfect being Like God? Was she also in God's image.

You don’t have to put words in my mouth. I never said that Adam possessed ALL of God’s attributes. Only Jehovah’s wisdom is unsearchable. Isaiah 40:28, Romans 11:33
His firstborn Son, Jesus had to be taught from Jehovah himself so Jesus doesn’t even innately possess the knowledge that he dispensed to his followers while on earth. John 7:16
Adam, being created in God’s image meant that he is able to reflect, like you said, emotions, sense of justice, power etc. But he also has the free will to make decisions for himself and that’s why God told him the tree was off-limits.
Genesis 2:17
If you still insist that Adam was a dullard/baby, then he is not the one to blame but God is, right? Then that would prove Satan’s claim that God wasn’t straightforward with Adam&Eve[Genesis 3:5] and would also negate an important facet of Jehovah’s personality—which is honesty/uprightness.
Deuteronomy 32:4, Psalm 25:8

Tcwork:

Perfect is a relatively term. I don't get your logic Blaming God for what? Perfection is relative to function. When good created the lion, it was also perfect but that was relative to its function.
I can't blame God. It was he who told us that after Adam ate the fruit, he became like God.
So when you say perfect, yes I agree but perfect to perform what function?

The real sense of the word “Perfect” is not a relative term from Jehovah’s standpoint . Deuteronomy 32:4-5 & Ecclesiastes 7:29 let’s us understand that Adam was created perfect but he was the one who became corrupt and imperfect. Jehovah even said, concluding creation of mankind: “It was very good” Genesis 1:31
Meaning that his creation was flawless but Adam chose to disobey and became imperfect. He never became like “God” in the actual sense at anytime. If not, which kind of “God” would grow old and die? Did he became immortal after eating the fruit? Becoming like “God” connotes him setting his own standards of good and bad since he desired independence but I guess that doesn’t make sense to you so try and relate to us how Adam became a “God” yet he underwent old-age and returned to dust at the age of 930.
Genesis 3:19,5:5

Please would a lion sin when it tears down his prey? No because they’re all acting on instinct and not with a conscience and intelligent mind like we have. Besides it was only after Adam and Eve sinned, that some animals became carnivorous. Before that, they ALL relied on herbs for food. Genesis 1:30

Tcwork:
When Jesus Christ said be ye perfect even as my Father in heaven, he was not talking of Adams kind of perfection the type that came without knowledge of good and bad.
He meant the perfection of the all knowing father.

When it comes to imperfect human beings, that’s when “perfection” becomes relative in the sense of the word. After Adam fell to sin, all his descendants inherited error and fell short of God’s glory[Psalm 51:5, Romans 3:23] so it’s not possible now to be fully “perfect” in pleasing Jehovah since we are sinners[James 3:2]
What Jesus means at Matthew 5:48 is that our love and devotion to Jehovah must be “complete” and “wholesouled”—this is something that is within the reach of an imperfect human being.
compare Mark 12:29-30, Colossians 3:23

Tcwork:

Oga James 2.18-26 does not reflect anything you have said unless you want to make another spiritual translation.
James 2.18-26
Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.+ 20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?+ 22 You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works,+ 23 and the scripture was fulfilled that says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah,* and it was counted to him as righteousness,”+ and he came to be called Jehovah’s* friend.+
24 You see that a man is to be declared righteous by works and not by faith alone. 25 In the same manner, was not Raʹhab the prostitute also declared righteous by works after she received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way?+ 26 Indeed, just as the body without spirit* is dead,+ so also faith without works is dead.

I copied the whole thing for all to read. Let's find the verse that says Adam knew good from evil before eating the fruit.
You shouldn't just be giving me bible assignment when you know it's not important to our discussion. Not fair.

Okay so if Adam did not know good from bad, then he did not actually sin and God is to blame abi? If he did not sin, why is blame heaped on his head that he brought sin and death into the world as a trespasser? Romans 5:12,17-19
That means God is to blame for everything and it would also mean that you’re siding with Adam? Genesis 3:12

Tcwork:
Not only Adam we all are all made afterm Jehovah but Adam lacked the knowledge of right and wrong.
That's what the bible says

@bolded, in what book, chapter and verse?
My own Bible says that Adam WAS NOT deceived. He was in full control of his thinking capacity and willfully chose to disobey a clear command that Jehovah gave him. 1Timothy 2:14

Tcwork:
Again Adam could not have sinned. He lacked knowledge of Good and evil.
Just like babies can't sin because they lack knowledge of right and wrong

Adam’s mental powers were fully active. In fact, his human nature and his brain was the most glorious because he was personally molded by Jehovah God. Genesis 2:7, Luke 3:38
Moreover he was made in God’s image so he could think, feel and make decisions. Genesis 1:26

Adam was not stupid if not it would mean that God was being dubious on his part by telling him the tree of knowledge of good and bad was off limits. Genesis 2:17

Jehovah needed to put an object of authority before Adam to let him know his freedom is not absolute else there would be chaos since there will be a great number of his intelligent kind who would come after him. So the tree was just symbolizing God’s authority over Adam because Jehovah should be the only person who should set standards of good and bad for all humans. compare Proverbs 3:5-7
But Adam and Eve after eating the fruit became wise in their own eyes and started trading blames.
Genesis 3:10-13
That’s why Jehovah condemned them to death(Genesis 3:19)and promised that their own children would be set free from the sin and death that Adam brought upon them. Genesis 3:15

Tcwork:

Sorry I am not giving elaborate replies. I am at work.
Jesus was the lamb slain before the world was create. His eternal role is beyond Adams earthly creation.
He had this role and destiny before Adam set a foot on eden.
And I made a mistake in some of my post yesterday I would correct it hopefully today (Eternal life comes after resurrection).
But resurrection isn't eternal life. Every human being would be resurrected but not everyone would have eternal life

The way you now make it look is as if God is to blame for all the suffering that humans go through. It can be very easy to miscontrue 1Peter 1:20 when you want to fit in your own understanding. Peter said “BEFORE THE FOUNDING OF THE WORLD” not “THE FOUNDING OF THE EARTH”. “World” here meaning the human race AFTER Adam and Eve were created. That’s why Abel’s martyrdom is associated with the “founding of the world” because he and his brother Cain were among the first progeny of the world. Luke 11:49-51
It was only after Adam sinned, that Jehovah foreknew that he would provide a means of redemption through a “seed” who is Jesus Christ.
Genesis 3:15, Galatians 3:16

The same Catholic Church that handed down the Trinity doctrine to all your various churches which you blindly follow? You’re also a cultist if you still adhere to their teachings of Trinity and hellfire.

Tcwork:

Yea that was why David was a big disappointment and why he did not receive the salvation others got.
And Mr DappaD once I am off duty, I would explain to you what eternal life means, Adam did not have eternal life in the Garden. Eternal live is the life God has. The life he promised to all those that overcome. Not a garden life, something much more glorious.
Remember we are called heirs. What do we inherite, the Godly nature much superior to what Adam had

If Adam had not sinned, would Jesus have come down to do anything? Please answer me.
Adam was meant to be the Eternal Father of the human race and pass on instructions for us to follow so that we might live forever on earth but failed miserably because of a very terrible and detestable sin that he committed.
Genesis 3:19
That’s why Jesus Christ replaced him.
Isaiah 9:6,7; 1Corinthians 15:45,47
Ever since then, all of Adam’s descendants fell short of the glory of God meaning we were no longer perfect like Adam was. [Romans 3:23]

In the future when death will have been defeated[Isaiah 25:8, 1Corinthians 15:26], that’s when we will be able to enjoy life without end here on earth. Notice what is said at Revelation 21:3-5, the promise is for “mankind” and not spirits.
Compare Psalm 37:29, Matthew 5:5


P.S. You don’t want to listen to Jehovah’s Witnesses so there’s no need explaining what “heirs” mean in the context of Romans 8:14-17.

MaxInDHouse:
I told you, himself and his friend are trying to measure God's view of righteousness as when a person is completely pure (holy).
David had just one fine quality that Jehovah cherished mostly in him, David is always ready to bow to JEHOVAH'S standard under which all worshipers of Jehovah must be subjected!
When Nathan came to illustrate what happened between David, Uriah and Bathsheba, David zealously makes a pronouncement in line with the standard God set for all Israel unknowingly to David that he himself is the culprit!
But when Nathan said "you are the culprit" David remembered that he though is the anointed King of Israel but he is still subjected to the laws of Israelite's real King JEHOVAH!
So unbelievers want to tell you "let us agree on our own standard (even if it's contradicting) and Continue as worshipers of the same God" but JWs will say "NO! we won't agree to interfaith, if you're not ready to abide by the same rules as we do then you're not one of us"

I don’t think Tcwork even knows what he’s doing to himself. Even Jesus Christ had several other forefathers, yet he’s constantly called the “Son of David” Matthew 1:1, Luke 1:31-33, John 7:42
The reason because David is described as the man agreeable to Jehovah’s heart(Acts 13:22) meanwhile Tcwork is here saying something else. Notice how he keeps shifting goalposts, he’s even repeating his usual phrase
“I generally like you guys” as a subtle way of saying “What you’re saying makes sense but my own is what works for me”
So all that’s left for him to do is humble himself before the truth. 1Peter 5:5

Tcwork:

Chief this is not a war.
I understand your overzealous nature. But you way of seeing things is just one way.
I am sure the JW teachings makes sense to you. But it may not make sense to billions of other's. JW has so many unanswered questions. I would give answer to your last post but I am still at work.
Truse me I really like you guys. I am not offended by you. I enjoy the discussion with you. So take it easy. God created us differently so we can't believe in the same doctrine. You just make your points and I make mine. We can't continue to love each other despite our differences.
The major issue I was having with you is when you write a scripture, I take the pains to read it only to see that it has no link with our topic. I feel like that's a waste of our time so I wanted you to use scriptures that fit to topic. But generally I find you very ok. I am sure you are a nice guy

Tcwork, I do not need you to sympathize with me. I am only friends with those who love and obey Jehovah’s commands. Psalm 119:63
Moreover, I’m begging you to please, please, please, stop drawing attention to me because I cannot be more zealous than my Master.
John 2:17
We can continue the discussion so far you don’t keep committing the red herring fallacy which you always do.
Concerning the fact that we all have different opinions, sure I respect that because according to scriptures such as Joshua 24:15 and Romans 12:1,2; it has to make sense to you when you choose to serve Jehovah since true faith is not credulity and has to be based on convincing evidence. Hebrews 11:1

Tcwork:
My brother David was a murderer he is not in the standing of the Holy prophets. So using him as an example is not really the best. We are looking at upright men who works of faith (believe in Jesus Christ ) gives them a hope in Christ's glory

Honestly, I like this spot that I got you in. Now you’re finding excuses for everything. David was Jehovah’s anointed king. Psalm 2:2
Let me tell you—no human king before or after David reached his degree of righteousness(2Samuel 8:15) although his heart became divided at one point and led him to sin(1Kings 15:5) what distinguished him from others was his humility and willingness to be readjusted(Psalm 86:11) that’s why he is always used in the two books of Kings and Chronicles as a measure for the other kings that succeeded him. 1Kings 14:8, 2Kings 22:2, 2Chronicles 17:3
So before you make such a blunder again, try and understand what you’re saying because David is listed amongst the other faithful men and women of faith. Hebrews 11:32

MaxInDHouse:
He has seen the light but he is scared of coming to stay in it his, he just feel like staying somewhere close to where he could be viewing the light from a distance (making friends with JWs but not ready to become a member) he doesn't want to come into the light so that his dirty robes will not become obvious to all observers! John 3:19
He thought we are saying JWs have been totally cured or clean, he doesn't understand that we are just exerting ourselves vigorously {Luke 13:24} to maintain our position in the one and only place where our dirty robes could be made clean! Revelations 7:14
He is fighting really hard to justify himself that he is not our enemy so we must approve him as a worshiper of our God after all he's sitting on the fence! Matthew 10:34-39
I laughed really hard in Urhobo when he said "MaxInDHouse has been mostly decent" definitely he has not grasped that my subtle approach and response hurts much more, that's what his friend finds tormenting much more than all the insults, abuses and curses achorladey has ever gotten from anyone else on Nairaland, that's why he is always looking forward to engaging MaxInDHouse in arguments!
But i've decided to pick questions from his posts address them intelligently and leave him to continue begging for the drop of water to cool his thirst! Luke 16:24
Let him join ... in their brotherhood of unbelievers {Luke 16:27-28} he doesn't know how tormenting it is yet to be on the opposite side against JEHOVAH! Hebrew 10:27

Tcwork has been extremely sentimental in his approach so far as he’s not even ready to listen and obey Jesus’ own words on moral issues.
Luckily for us, Jesus said only those listening to him are on his side so there is no middle ground.
John 18:37 compare Matthew 12:30

As for the other one who is fuelling Tcwork’s ego, I just treat him like he’s nonexistent.

MaxInDHouse:
You need to ask for the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of whatever you read in our book (Bible) otherwise you will get lost in thought while trying to figure it out unguided!
The bolded is not talking about their salvation but God's promise that a SEED/CHILD will be born through their lineage {Isaiah 9:6} that will lead them in the way of Salvation. Galatians 3:16 compared to Genesis 3:15
They were FAITHFULLY anticipating the arrival of this SEED but each of them died without seeing or learning from him.
So you and i are much more privileged that Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David or any of those faithful men today because we have the privilege of reading about his lifesaving counsels Abel and others till John the baptist never heard! Luke 16:16
It's now left to us to figure out the Organization of people practicing what this promised SEED laid down! Hebrew 10:24-25

Tcwork has already chosen to be blind to the facts because I noticed how he was fumbling and fidgeting when I brought David’s case to the fore.