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Maximus69:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, please don't discourage him. We're all learning and i want to believe that the holy ghost must have taught him something of much more value than this, so let's listen to him and learn from the group that's practicing pure worship just as Jesus fervently prayed for! John 17:20-23

Kobojunkie:
You are wrong!

shadeyinka:
John 20:17
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

You mean Lazarus was a wicked person?

shadeyinka:
John 20:17
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

You mean Lazarus was a wicked person?

cornelboy:
Concerning Elijah at transfiguration, Elijah was caught up to heaven, he did not die. Read your Bible well.
Also Moses body was carried by an angel, and I don't know what he did to Moses' body.

shadeyinka:
Unfortunately for you the mental disposition of a person is a function of the soul (Emotion, Will, Intellect)

shadeyinka:
[s]Unfortunately for you the mental disposition of a person is a function of the soul (Emotion, Will, Intellect)[/s]

shadeyinka:
Unfortunately for you the mental disposition of a person is a function of the soul (Emotion, Will, Intellect)


Tautology: You just reposted what you have crammed without answering any question. I didnt ask how man became a living soul.
where does the soul go to was the question. as we know that the Ruach (spirit) goes to God, the body goes to the earth!


I know you dont process anything after you have memorized them as you hav been given. So let me help you

If (Dust + Breath of life = Living soul)
is Dust= Soul?

Explain please

Maximus69:
God forbids witches and those inquiring from the dead {Deuteronomy 18:11} Samuel instigated king Saul to drive away all the wishes in Israel {1Samuel 28:9} but after death the witch forced God to release Samuel (who has turn away from Saul) to come and speak with Saul, shey?

Maximus69:
God forbids witches and those inquiring from the dead {Deuteronomy 18:11} Samuel instigated king Saul to drive away all the wishes in Israel {1Samuel 28:9} but after death the witch forced God to release Samuel (who has turn away from Saul) to come and speak with Saul, shey?

If we ask you guys to humble yourselves and learn from true Christians you'll say "I'm a ECWA member but church doctrine doesn't define me"

Why is it so hard for you to know that it's a demon who materialised to support the first lie "You will not positively die" {Genesis 3:4-5}

Where is the Spirit/Soul or whatever it is that you think survived of Adam at death?

Ken4Christ:
This is exactly what God will do. He will transform our physical body into an immortal spiritual body. If God could transform dust to our physical body today, he can also transform our physical body to an imperishable spiritual body. This is what Apostle Paul wrote in the verses I quoted. Your problem is that you try to figure things out with your carnal mind. The things of God doesn't make sense to the carnal mind. You receive it with your spirit. And this is only possible when you are born again.

shadeyinka:
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” .
A human being has a body, soul and spirit

Luke 9:28-36
About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and went up onto a mountain to pray. As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. Peter and his companions were very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him. As the men were leaving Jesus, Peter said to him, “Master, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.” When the voice had spoken, they found that Jesus was alone.
Moses and Elijah were both dead and buried but Peter, James and John were permitted to see them

Rev6:9-11
9And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. 10And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge those who live on the earth and avenge our blood?” 11Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed
You may argue that this is an allegory but if the scenario is impossible the scriptures would not have used it. The souls who had been killed had their memory and emotion, they were each given a white robe, they could hear the next instruction to wait until...

1 Samuel 28:3–25
11 Then the woman asked, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”

“Bring up Samuel,” he said.

12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!”
15 Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”

“I am in great distress,” Saul said. “The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has departed from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do.”

16 Samuel said, “Why do you consult me, now that the Lord has departed from you and become your enemy? 17 The Lord has done what he predicted through me. The Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors—to David. 18 Because you did not obey the Lord or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the Lord has done this to you today. 19 The Lord will deliver both Israel and you into the hands of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines.”
The Witch of Endor and Saul. Who did Saul see? A demon or the spirit of Samuel? But then, even the witch was surprised at what came up. WHY?

Luke 16:19–31
The Story of Lazarus and the Rich man is meaningless without looking at the context of judgement If it was jus t a parable, why would Jesus use that which is completely wrong to illustrate a spiritual truth.

shadeyinka:
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” .
A human being has a body, soul and spirit

Luke 9:28-36
About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and went up onto a mountain to pray. As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. Peter and his companions were very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him. As the men were leaving Jesus, Peter said to him, “Master, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.” When the voice had spoken, they found that Jesus was alone.
Moses and Elijah were both dead and buried but Peter, James and John were permitted to see them

Rev6:9-11
9And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. 10And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge those who live on the earth and avenge our blood?” 11Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed
You may argue that this is an allegory but if the scenario is impossible the scriptures would not have used it. The souls who had been killed had their memory and emotion, they were each given a white robe, they could hear the next instruction to wait until...

1 Samuel 28:3–25
11 Then the woman asked, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”

“Bring up Samuel,” he said.

12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!”
15 Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”

“I am in great distress,” Saul said. “The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has departed from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do.”

16 Samuel said, “Why do you consult me, now that the Lord has departed from you and become your enemy? 17 The Lord has done what he predicted through me. The Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors—to David. 18 Because you did not obey the Lord or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the Lord has done this to you today. 19 The Lord will deliver both Israel and you into the hands of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines.”
The Witch of Endor and Saul. Who did Saul see? A demon or the spirit of Samuel? But then, even the witch was surprised at what came up. WHY?

Luke 16:19–31
The Story of Lazarus and the Rich man is meaningless without looking at the context of judgement If it was jus t a parable, why would Jesus use that which is completely wrong to illustrate a spiritual truth.

Emusan:
You strike out her first statement, why?

Does human not have Spirit, Soul and Body according to the scripture?

Does Soul not distingsh from Body many times in the scripture?

Emusan:
You strike out her first statement, why?

Does human not have Spirit, Soul and Body according to the scripture?

Does Soul not distingsh from Body many times in the scripture?

shadeyinka:
[s]But human beings have a body, soul and spirit.[/s]

johnw47:
oh so dum dum false jw janosky

you don't believe the Holy spirit entered and spoke to ezekiel
but that is was the wind speaking, laughing
the wind entered ezekiel and spoke to him, ha ha ha

spirit isn't just wind, not just breath, but life and mind as well, and more:

Hebrew
רוּחַ
rûach
roo'-akh
From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).





mumu janosky, the angels are spirits, and so accordeing to you angels are just wind and not persons:

Heb 1:14  Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? 

Greek
πνεῦμα
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.





dimwit Dullard janosky, God is a Spirit, so according to you God is just wind and not a person:

Joh 4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Greek
πνεῦμα
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.


you such a liar janosky, aren't you, and oh so duh like all habitual liars are

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

solite3:
what about it

DappaD:
If I want to confuse you here I will do so.

solite3:
what about it

solite3:
what about it

solite3:
confuse me? You cant.

What about the new heaven?

solite3:
The throne of God in the new earth is where the father and the son sit together,

solite3:
how will you understand when you are brainwashed with Jehovah witness crap.

Maximus69:
If we ask them to study God's word, they will say holy ghost will teach them, now explain what the so called holy ghost taught you using God's word , they're saying it will teach everyone, so if that's the case how come Jesus sent his followers to go out there and TEACH people all that he has commanded!

JEHOVAH and Jesus will share the same throne all because you want to explain away your TRINITY!

solite3:
The throne of God in the new earth is where the father and the son sit together,

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

He said God himself will dwell on earth, meaning God the father and Son will be on the same throne because there will be only one throne on earth and that throne where the father and the Son will sit together.

solite3:
Jesus throne means his earthly throne when he comes back in the millennium not his father's throne.

solite3:
1 Chronicles 29:23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.

The throne of Israel orignally belongs to God but anointed kings to sit on it, hence it also temporary belongs to the king that sat on it. So the throne of David also was transferred to solomon and then to his descendant but God is the permanent owner of the throne.

It does not mean the throne of Israel is where God sits.


Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


Jesus throne means his earthly throne when he comes back in the millennium not his father's throne.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

DrLiveLogic:
a. Is Solomon's throne not a throne made of earthly materials but dedicated to YAHWEH? Or you don't know that the way the priests, Moses represented Christ was the same way that David and His reign represented Christ? Smh. I wonder what you guys do over there.
b. Did Solomon sit on God's throne in heaven where Christ is seated together with the Father?

cornelboy:
Now, I understand you. Your Logic is turning to foolishness.
Your are falling away from the truth and you don't know.

God created the universe through, does it mean that God can't do it all by Himself

Your dad gave you money to build a house, does it mean that he can't build it himself

The Father is the Almighty. Because of Human Trinity doctrines, you have fallen from the TRUTH, your going down a slippery slope.

"My Father and I are one", did he mean that as one God or perfectly united in will and purpose

DrLiveLogic:
[s]Your problem is that you think god is a created being like yourself or angels so you keep trying to put Him in your finite boundaries. LMAO.
God is a spirit omnipotent and He can be in a million places at once. The way Christ is in the bosom of the Father (John 1:18, John 16:28) and from there furnishes a throne of omnipotence for the Father, He seeks to live in every heart of the men at the same time, furnishing them with the same reigning power/ throne of His Father being the source inside god's bosom from which the reigning power of the Godhead flows. Without Him, God cannot be omnipotent and cannot be God.

Eph 3:17 ...that Christ may be housed permanently in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love...
Joh 14:23 Jesus responded and said to him, "If any loves me, he will keep my words and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our abode with him"
Joh 17:21 ...that they all may be one as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me

Only He can bind all creation together the same way He binds the three aspects in the godhead Being together. If men let Him dwell in their hearts as he dwells in the Father's bosom, then the way he and his Father are one, they too will experience this oneness and the Father and Himself will dwell in them. Can a created being be in God's bosom and men's hearts at the same time? Can a created being dwell inside you?



When you understand your own being, you will understand why God is three aspects but one Being but each aspect can manifest to creation individually. All these scriptures you are quoting speak of the Word playing the role of son of God. He is and has always been the Word before the role of son of God he plays. The role of Son has a beginning and end but the Word has no beginning and no end. The Holy Spirit also plays the role of His witness now but He is and always was before creation one Being. Go back and read #1 to understand what he was before creation. Just wait for my thread. [/s]

DappaD:
can you please explain 1Chronicles 29:23 & Revelation 3:21?

DrLiveLogic:
that Jesus has no separate throne from the Father but is seated on one throne with Him,

solite3:


Acts 13:2
As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.




2 Samuel 23:2
The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.


Ezekiel 3:24 Then the spirit entered into me, and set me upon my feet, and spake with me, and said unto me, Go, shut thyself within thine house.

solite3:
seriously you are a comic relief, The word of Jehovah and The breathe of Jehovah both has definite article, both are singular.
He said by the Word of Jehovah not by the words of Jehovah meaning the word of Jehovah is just one.




False witness rigmaroling!
Jesus is called the word of God just as the Holy Spirit is called the breathe of God, not an active force.
If you agree that the word of Jehovah is a person then the breathe of Jehovah is also a person.


see blabbing,

Jehovah is called a rock, does that mean he is not a person.


Let me shock you do you know the rock that followed the israelities in the wilderness was Christ?

1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Does that mean because Christ was a rock then he is not a person?
Jesus was the rock in Ex 17 an Numbers 20.
Does that mean that Christ is not a person.


@ bolded Hahahaha, "it could be" you are as confuse as confusion itself, so you dont even know, yet you argue in ignorance with all certainty, talking about intelligence which you lack.
so you agree that Jehovah is also called Rock which is a non living thing but can not see that the breathe of God is also a person.

More confusion for false witness,

In Jerimaiah 23 vs 24 Jehovah is said to fill the heavens not his glory.


Jeremiah 23:23-24 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.


You talk about context yet went far away from Jeremiah giving your own deluded interpretation,
Jehovah was talking about his presence, his own location, that he fill heaven and earth therefore no one can hide from him, not glory.

Jehovah fill the whole heaven and earth,
So the question stands that how can a person fill the whole heaven and earth?




1 Kings 8:27
But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

Solomon said Heaven itself cannot contain God, yet your puny little mind think you can put God into a box?