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TAO12:
On the imagined cOnQuEsT:

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Here is a bit of your history since it’s already obvious that you don’t know your history..

Lagos history is Awori history..
Benin Kingdom shaped Lagos history..
Benin Kingdom shaped Awori history..

You can’t keep deceiving yourself.

TAO12:
On the imagined cOnQuEsT:

(1) One of your slave-bretheren (gayboy) admitted that it existed only in the imagination of your Edo fore-parents.

(2) Another of your slave-bretheren (Etinosa) pretended to have evidence until he was so squashed that he had to flee for dear life.

(3) But in your own case, you strongly belief in the ret@rded idea that empty repitition = proof.

You're obviously the dumbest of all the aforementioned slaves. You eventually overtook gayboy in ret@rdation.


Anyways, enjoy the following words in the meantime:
"The royal right of abuse seems to have survived to the last days, for Gallwey (p. 129) mentions that “the Benin people ... are treated as slaves by the king, the title of king's slave being considered an honour." We have seen above that for different reasons ... the mass of the people were practically slaves to the king, ..."

gregyboy, you haven't answered my question: Ife, according to you is mYtHiCaL (whatever that means), yet all the Obas of Benin -- including the reigning EwuareII -- pay homage to Ife on their respective ascensions.

Does this not prove that all the Obas of Benin are schizophreniac??

Your futile attempts at always deflecting to Edo people relationship with their Oba whenever I bring up the wicked conquest of the Aworis (your tribe) by the naked Edo warriors is evidence of your shame and frustration (and admission) for what the Aworis suffered from Benin. You can never run from the truth. Benin Kingdom of the Edo people conquered, displaced, dispersed and ruled the Aworis (Tao12 tribe) for 3 centuries.

TAO12:
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But in any case:

Thank you for continuing to admit the fact that you (as an Edo) are a slave (by default) to the Yoruba-Oba of Benin.

Thank you for admitting the fact that he is not one of you -- that is, for admitting that he simply came, saw, and conquered

So you mean it was the Yoruba Oba of Benin that conquered your Awori tribe in Eko?

Emperordynasty:
I don't support the worship of a man in anyway...but I love the way the Benins show respect to their king and it also shows that values and respect is ingrained in their nature as people...

But why does TAO12 want to kill herself over this fact...
First you blindly made a claim that your yo.robber people brought the mornachy to Benin,and that the oba sees his subjects as slave....how does this you stupid claim affect the topic..

Why do you tribalistic idiots always go about to insult the cultures of others and when you get blasted you say that "they are attacking yorubas".

Why does anything Benin give you heart attack misses TAO12...I so much dispise your irritating behaviour....if you don't like the post just get the hell out of the thread...

Great Benin Kingdom conquered and displaced her Awori tribe in Lagos, subjugating them for over 300 years.. that is the reason for her pain and frustration at anything Benin.

LoveToRead:
I brushed my teeth and took my bath. Then, I dressed up in grey suit and went to the lounging-room. Madam too soon dressed up and came to join me.

'Good morning, ma,' I greeted, giving her a deep bow.

'Good morning, Alex. How was your night?'

I smiled. 'It was soothing, ma.'

She smiled too. She was wearing an ankara gown that was well designed.

'How do I look?' she asked, turning so that I could have a good appraisal.

My smile broadened. This madam, ehn!

'You look stunning,' I confessed.

She was pleased with my remark. 'Thank you.'

I nodded. 'You're welcome.'

She corked her head to a side. 'Hey, you look good too, young man.'

I smiled again. 'Thank you, madam.'

'But, that tie.' She moved over to me and adjusted the tie. I could smell her skin and her breath which smelt of fresh mint. Enny was the only lady ever to adjust my tie - until now.

'There you're. That's better,' she muttered.

'Thank you.'

'Now, order for room service. We need light breakfast before we go.'

'Okay, ma.'

I ordered for the light breakfast. It suddenly dawned on me that anyone who heard that madam and I slept in the same hotel room - well, suite, actually - would think we were having an affair. If Enny ever got to know, she would never believe that the closest I got to madam was massaging her!

Phew! What an experience!

After the breakfast, we left the hotel in one of the executive cabs for the Ministry of Petroleum Resources. Her meeting with the Minister was very successful thereafter, we met the other people she was supposed to meet. By three p.m. we had met all the people we should. The thing would be that we had to do a follow up on the telephone

'Let's stay one more night in Abuja,' she suggested. 'Then tomorrow, we'll go back to Lagos.'

I nodded. 'It's okay, ma.'

When we returned to the hotel suite, madam asked that I should ordered for the food that I wanted.

Poor me. I could only think of fried rice and turkey. The meal was sumptuous and I enjoyed it. Thereafter, we ordered French wine. To avoid prying eyes, madam said we should remain in the suite. Everything she did was okay by me.

She went to take a shower thereafter. Her hand bag was left in the lounging-room. I could see that she stuffed a lot of cash including dollars and euros in it.

Ah, don't get me wrong. I didn't touch her money.

I locked the main door and went for a quick shower in the second bathroom. I then changed to shorts and t-shirt. I went back to the lounging room. She soon came out, wearing another bum short and t shirt. This time around, I had decided to be unmoved by whatever she wore.

She sat on the sofa and stretched her legs. 'Wow, what a day,' she exclaimed. 'Can you help with some massaging again?'

'Of course, ma. Anything you want.'

She nodded. 'That lotion should be in my valise in the bedroom.'

'Okay.' I went to the bedroom she occupied. The valise was on the side of the bed.

This is repost from 2 episodes ago.. so your next post will be a repost

TAO12:
I can't remember asking you for ocean of tears and sorrows.

In case you've forgotten, I asked for evidence, proof, and reason.

why do u keep asking for evidence when u don’t understand what it means.. go sleep Awori woman

TAO12:
I swear!

His worst regret is the day God created me, babtoundey and others.

Lol �.. you guys are just jokers... it’s clear to everyone that you are trying to change what is generally known (with evidence and witnesses accounts) about your little history and it’s not working for u.

gregyboy:
She loves talking she isn't doing this for an act of defense for her tribe....
She will purposely draw you into a senseless discussion just to keep herself busy, online
I know her trick

Imagine an argument she had with Etinosa1234
Saying edos didnt conquer lagos through military might but rather with peaceful infiltration

And you will be wondering, peaceful infiltration another tribe from nowhere came suddenly and established thier king in your land chased the indigenous rulers to the outskirt without no fight or anyform of resistance..... Just for her to satisfy her tribal ego... If it was in her shoe to write history she would even say benin never ventured to lagos......
She is a funny lady bro i pity her spouse sha she go sabi do i too know

Lmao �.

TAO12:
I didn't ask for tears. Instead, I asked for contentions in my analysis.

What contention when you cannot comprehend anything? I wonder if you quarrel with the internet or historical archives because everywhere you look always says Benin conquered Aworis settlements (not Lagos because Lagos wasn't in existence then as "Lagos" )

The dissidents in the attachment refers to the Aworis your tribe.

TAO12:
Did the definition of oppression change at any time in human history?

I will list just three names below without saying one additional thing, yet the message will hit you:

(1) Oranmiyan (ancient)

(2) Awolowo (modern)

(3) Tao ('post-modern')

And all three have Edo blood in them.. even you too because I remember after the conquest of Awori, the naked Benin warriors were breeding the Awori women.. so u may just be an offspring of that union lol..

TAO11:
(A) I have already demonstrated how the Bini damage control of "Aisikpa-hienbore" is dead on arrival. It is an after-the-effect explanation to account for the obvious hole in the Benin account.

The Benin account (unlike the Lagos account) claims that "Ashipa" is the son or grand son (they can't be sure which one it is, and I wonder why for such a crucial information) of the then Oba of Benin.

The obvious hole in this Benin account is that the name "Ashipa" -- which is clearly a popular and ancient Yoruba name (simply meaning "leader") -- is not found anywhere in Edo names.

The traditional Bini attempt to patch-up this linguistic embarrasment is to claim that his name is originally "Aisikpa-hienbore", but later changed.

This patch-work attempt still fails nevertheless, because its seams shows it to be an after-the-effect patch work.

This apparent seams which exposes this attempt to be an after-the-effect patch-work is, in fact, the meaning of the proposed "Aisikpa-hienbore" itself. "Aisikpa-hienbore" simply means "We shall not desert this place".

Since this can not possibly or logically be a person's name -- by any stretch of the imagination -- as no one names anyone "we shall not desert this place"; it therefore becomes clear that the best after-the-effect remedy to this embarrasment still turns out to be a colossal failure.

What is then true in this regards is the Lagos account which maintains clearly that the first king's name is always "Ashipa", and that he is an Awori-Yoruba royalty from Isheri.

This account (unlike the Bini one) has no hole in it, as the name "Ashipa" is a widespread and ancient name among the Yorubas.

(B) I have, my self, already stated this repeatedly because it does not support your point in any way, shape, or form.

Josua Ulseimer's account only corroborates the Lagos account which states that long after the Binis (and others) have settled in peacefully in their respective region of the then Lagos, violent [trade] conflicts between the Bini immigrant group [et al.] and the host (the Awori) eventually broke out.

Josua Ulsheimer's account talks of a fenced-settlement on "an island" where the Benin party to the conflict was based.

This base has been shown to be on the same Iddo Island where the Binis had originally settled in. R. Smith (1988:73).

Important Note: The then Lagos is not one island. Rather, it comprises of separate islands (such as the small island of Iddo and the larger island of Isale-Eko among others), as well as hinterlands (such as Isheri and Ebute Meta among others).

Also, Ulsheimer's actual account (translated) simply mentioned "an island", not your so-called "Lagos Island". Lol.

You really are pained by Benin suzerainty over Lagos.. It seems to be a stain on your fake heritage and you can't wipe it away.. sorry oo.

You keep translating Ulsheimer's sojourn is Lagos in anyway that fits your foolish narrative.. Please can you also translate the part that say "Ulsheimer served in the Benin Army in its war against Lagos".. Since you keep denying Benin fought any war in Lagos, can you explain that too?

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TAO12:
While everything you know about Benin is what God wrote and he said Benin is a Myth.

Oga, look for another corner to go lick your wound jarey!

Ma kpa okuta si oro.

We don;t need God to tell us about Benin.. Traces of Great Benin oppression of the Yorubas is still visible till tomorrow.. That is all the evidence we need..
Ozuor..

TAO12:
That's precisely what you're out here to prove.

So, go ahead and prove it (even in the light of refutations and your admission).

Instead of arguing blindly why don't you bring out evidence that Olokun worship began in Yorubaland..

TAO12:
Show me Ewuare before Talbot invented him to deceive your fore-parents. /s

Show me Ekaladerhan before Roth invented him to deceive your fore-parents. /s

Who witnessed them (and many other audio Obas of Benin) just like gregyboy would ask? /s

Moreover, you're correct about Ife, the Europeans brought Ife with them on their ships and dropped it in Osun State. /s

Actually I think you are correct about the bold statement above..
Everything we know about Ife is what the Europeans wrote.. and they all wrote that Ife is a Myth..

TAO12:
Just like Oba Ewuare, Ekaladerhan

You forgot to add mythical Ife empire.

macof:
You are real mumu
You said no author (I'm sure you meant scholar, cus an author can be anybody)
You said no author talks about Oduduwa's existence and the unification of Ife

I mentioned two. And you say your screenshot says otherwise
Bloody mofo, I just mentioned two scholars that talk about Oduduwa and Ife during his era

That there already renders your claim null and void
Jeez.. So dumb

I think the scholars talk more about the disintegration of Ife..

FlameZ80s:
IF PDP UNDERSTAND POLITICS, EDO STATE IS ALREADY PDP WITHOUT ELECTION. IF APC DISQUALIFIED THEIR OWN CANDIDATE WHO HAS BEEN A SERVING GOVERNOR, THEN ALL PDP NEEDS DO IS TAKE IT TO COURT SO THE GOVERNOR WILL BE REPLACED BY THE RUNNER UP IN THE PAST ELECTION. THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY GIVE THEM A FOUR YEAR TENURE

The runner up is already in APC and will likely be their candidate

TAO11:
(1) You’re obviously so sad to find that that there are, in fact, two (and not just one) traditional accounts of the Lagos historical events. Lol.

Whether you like it or you hate it, the Benin traditional account is only one account of the Lagos events. As is to be normally expected, the Lagos traditional account too rightfully speaks to the events.

And these two accounts differ on important details such as the manner of settling down of the Binis (peaceful infiltration vs. royal conquest), the identity of Ashipa (a Bini vs. a Yoruba), etc. Your reference, R. Smith (1988) also cited the existence of the Lagos position.

Regarding which of the two traditional account is true, I have already discussed the evidence of the truth of the Lagos account and the falsehood of the Benin account (you just need to form the habit of reading before replying).

The Lagos account maintains that the Binis and others settled in Lagos by peaceful infiltration. This is accurate because had the Binis settled otherwise by a royal conquest, the use of Edo languages as the Lagos court language (or in some part of Lagos) would have been found in history. But there is no hint of any such thing in recorded or oral history.

Also, the Lagos account maintains that the first King of the present dynasty, Ashipa, is a Yoruba. This is also accurate because while the name Ashipa is conspicuously absent from Edo names (despite Chief Egheravba’s admirable attempt. Lol), the name Ashipa is found everywhere in Yoruba names, e.g. from 1500 Oyo.

For the umpteenth time, Josua Ulsheimer’s account did NOT corroborate the Benin claim of settling-in by conquest. Nowhere does Ulsheimer's account provide any such corroboration. You may choose to stop fooling yourself by yourself. Lol.

Rather, what Josua Ulsheimer’s account corroborates here is the historical fact of conflicts in Lagos. He noted simply that the Bini side was camped on one of the islands.

Ulsheimer was writing about this in 1603 when he visited, the Binis (and others) had long settled in Lagos before Ulsheimer. In sum, Ulsheimer could not possibly have witnessed the settling-in of the Binis (by conquest or otherwise). He cannot possibly witness and document what had happened prior to him.

Moreover, regarding the word "impression", I had suspected that I will be providing some tuition on the English language (considering how you once equated the word “perhaps” to mean “certainty”.

Anyways, the word “impression”, especially in the context of its use by R. Smith (in the sentence: “The impression given by Lagos tradition”) signifies the following: “conviction”, “notion”, “effect”, “depiction”, “representation”, “portrayal”, , “perception”, “impact”, etc. Gosh!

Self-inflicted ignorance is indeed a terrible thing. Do yourself the big favour of rising above inferiority complex.


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You are obviously troubled by Benin treatment of Lagos.. only a troubled person can distort history so much the way you do..
For the umpteenth time, Ulsheimer served in Great Benin powerful miltary and fought in the campaign against Lagos (Aworis, your tribe).. You can see it in the attachment below and if you like intepret it to mean he was a cassava farmer in Lagos, na your way be that.. or you can even start to insult him for his role in annhilating the Aworis (your tribe)

MetaPhysical:
Edo slave, add picture of your ancestor and their penis to Edo blog sites to complete story of your servitude.

why do you want to carry on the pain of your ancestors? they saw the big joysticks of their Edo conquerors for over 500years, now you wan carry on that legacy; looking at Edo warriors big joysticks lol

MetaPhysical:
Bini kept slave stock. Historical accounts say those stocks were sold and at one point the palace stopped selling them and started using the stock to sacrifice to Yoruba deities. History says Edo were the ethnic stock.

To prove it, history went further to provide evidence that your ancestors, as slaves, were forbidden from wearing clothes unless they were first granted an okay from palace to cover nak3dn3ss.

History says all these, not me.

You left out the part of history that says naked Benin warriors conquered and subjugated the Yorubas for over 500years.. or are you ashamed of that part??

MetaPhysical:
How can you say you fought a war and there is no name for it. War is monumental and a landmark of history.

You went all way from Benin to Lagos to fight a war and you didnt have a name for your mission or a historic marker for your conquest. Are you serious Who does that

If there is no name for it it didnt happen!

Like I said before, you dont have to respond immediately on this. Take your time to dig and come back with a name for this war that Bini fought in Lagos. Stop guessing about it.


Water is a prominent feature in any land. It makes a huge difference your capacity to influence different aspects of trade, execution of defense of homeland and war to foreign land.

Water gave Lagos advantage over Britain in the war of Agidingbi.

Water gave Britain advantage over Argentina in the war over Falklands.

Start reconstructing your journey for me starting from Benin to fight war in Lagos. If you cant do it right away, please go get your material together.

Do a night meeting of witches as is typical of you and get your facts together, then report back here.

Im a patient person!

I know you are trying to sound reasonable but you are not.. since you like to name wars maybe you can tell us the name of the war dahomey defeated Oyo, or Oyo war with Bariba, Oyo war with Nupe..
This your emotional display is not enough to get you anywhere.. you can read the attachment below and get more agitated

Etinosa1234:
boss just rest..that guy Na clown...I just weak...water and non water...but e dey record say Benin get that place by conquest,deposed their olofin and set up an oba for them and even collected tributes till 1851... and this clown dey talk of water and nonwater...
boss abeg no reply their mention again
I've seen brilliant Yoruba but I nor know where dem for pick this one

Him come dey tag Tao make him save am...Tao wey go write like 30 lines of stupidity come end am with I've EDUCATED u all and u HAVE take my word as AUTHORITY...... then fellow zombies wey e be say Tao Na their only source of information abt Benin go dey shout "ride on ma"

Thank you ooo. It’s annoying when someone brings unintelligent and stupid theory to argue about.
I actually think this metaphysical is intentionally trying to embarrass Yorubas because things he says will embarrass anyone..
I don rest for him matter.

MetaPhysical:
1. There is no war fought in Yorubaland that does not have a local name.

Even war we fought with whiteman we gave it local name. Agidingbi!

What is the name of the Benin war in Lagos? If you dont know it dont guess, go and find out and report it here.

2. It's not only in Lagos that Benin doesnt own land.

Even in Edo, its host-land, the Benin Royalty does not own land.

The Idejo Chiefs in Lagos call Oba of Lagos their tenant. Same way Edo Chiefs call Omo Oba a tenant, and as token of his settlement he must first satisfy a rent to Edo before his Coronation can move forward.

Oba of Lagos is a tenant because the royalty came from elsewherw.....in same manner Oba of Benin is tenant in Edo because the royalty came from elsewhere.

3. Yes, there is something as a non-water people. The fight over Gelegele between Benin and Ijaw has to do with access to water.

Benin has no access to water. How did it get to Lagos. Reconstruct the journey, the boatcrew, the war and the conquest. If you do so successfully you will see clearly there is no way Benin fought Awori.


4 and 5. Aworis have never fought a war. Never!

Aworis have been in conflict with others but have never fought a war.



You are about to hear a side of Lagos history you dont know, has never been written and is legitimate and authentic through its oral and cultural facets.

I want you to exhaust yourself first with your hearsay stories before I begin school you on the history of Eko!

There is difference between Omo Eko....and Ara Eko!


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Tao
Tao11
Tao12

Well one thing is certain; whatever story or version you bring will be regarded as a Yoruba folklore and found only in the minds of Yorubas as you have already agreed your version is oral and cultural. All accounts of recorded history says Great Benin conquered Lagos. And the conquest was witnessed and participated in by Europeans.

Benin didn’t give a name to the war but since you say Yorubas always name wars then you can ask TAO11 what name her ancestors gave to the war Great Benin brought to them, she is the last Aworian

Your talk about water people and non water people is very shallow so say something else..

MetaPhysical:


I go let Babaramota see how you dey misbehave.

Cc
Babaramota

Babaramota the Yoruba native doctor.. him Cain Dey wait for am

MetaPhysical:
We have told you origin of our Sword in Ife.

I separate Bini royalty from Edo slaves like you.

Tell us if Edo has a sword and the origin of it.

I bet since your ancestors were roaming bush nak3d they also carried machette. Machette is not Sword, huge difference between the two.

You can talk about Edo machette but never open your mouth to talk about Bini Sword until you are first permitted by Omo Oba palace to do so.

You can barely get permission to cover your penis in public.....and now you want to talk about Sword.

You freak!

Very childish post..
Nothing intelligent can come out of frustration and defeat..

MetaPhysical:
I see what you attached, answer the following for me.

1. What is the name of the war of conquest?

2. There is no history of conquest anywhere in the world that does not also go with conversion and ownership of land. Why does Bini not own land in Lagos?

3. How did Bini, a non-water people get to Lagos, a water side?

4. Prior to this conquest, is there any history of the Awori's fighting a war?

5. After this conquest, is there any history of the Awori's fighting a war?


Please do not fail to answer each of this account.

1. The name was “Benin conquest of Lagos area”

2. Benin don’t own the lands in Lagos anymore just like Britain doesn’t own the lands in Nigeria anymore.. (independence).

3. Is there anything like a non water people? Anyways Benin soldiers were transported by boats.. or you can ask Ulsheimer the European soldier who was part of the Benin Army how he and 10,000 Benin soldiers got to Lagos.

4. Prior to the conquest you can ask the Aworis about their war history, Benin came into the picture after the Aworis settled in the sandy waste by the ocean and conquered them.

5. After the conquest the Awori didn’t fight any war.. can one fight a power greater than him? The Aworis after the conquest could only form “political” party to agitate for rights for the Aworis from their Benin colonial masters.

I hope I have answered your questions.. if you have anymore please ask..

lawani:
According to Yoruba theology, any where designated as Ife is the first point of human civilization. There are two Oduduwas, the earlier one like his contemporary Imoles all landed from space, the later one came with an entourage probably from the Middle East because he mentioned Nimrod as his ancestor to Ife people who corrupted it too Lamurudu.

Did you use a crystal ball to see this??

MetaPhysical:
Etinosa,
I read your attachment but I dont get the point of it, maybe I missed other posts preceeding this.....but what is point here, are you saying Benin invaded Lagos and warred with Aworis?

A summary ....

lawani:
A palace, the Iga Alagbaa was built for his progenitor in Lagos who was begged to stay in Lagos when he wanted to return to Ijesa. From ologuntere down to the present oba are all Ijesa. [b]Benin did not conquer lagos by war,[/b]they accepted a Benin prince peacefully. The Ijesa man who was called Alaagba also did not conquer Lagos. He married a princess and became the progenitor, hitherto of Lagos kings. How can you say the Lagos dressed like the Benin monarch? The same way you said the owa obokun dresses like the Benin king. Those are not Benin regalia please.

Please is the bold statement a conclusion you arrived at after an extensive research on Benin Kingdom occupation of Lagos? if so please can you quote source(s) to that effect? Because all pages of history says Benin kingdom conquered the Aworis and took over Lagos. There are accounts from personal journal of the European/Benin soldier Joshua Ulshemier of the military campaigns he participated in alongside Benin Army in conquering Lagos.. He was part of the 10,000 Benin soldiers that bombarded Lagos with heavy canons in the 16th century. Do you say he is lying?

Etinosa1234:
In case u nor see am well

Wow.. so Mighty Benin chased the Aworis (TAO11 tribe) from the sandy dustinbin settlement near to ocean to Isheri, chased them from Isheri to Iddo and from iddo chased them into near extinction.. no wonder TAO11 hates Benin Kingdom..
As early as the 16th century Benin Kingdom had Europeans enlisted in its army as regular soldiers.

In TAO11 little mind these Europeans were fighting alongside thousands of stark naked Benin soldiers lol.

TAO12:
You seem to be naive about how Wikipedia works.

It's an open free encyclopaedia where any Bini illiterate like you go into, write whatever comes to their mind, and fraudulently put Robert Smith as their source.

Am I really having a discussion with a baby whose ultimate authority is Wikipedia??

What happened to quoting the words of Robert Smith??

Are u denying that Great and powerful Benin Kingdom conquered the Awori settlement and absorbing it into the larger colony of Eko established by Benin Kingdom??

You have been told to provide just one proof that Benin Kingdom did not conquer Awori and established Lagos, you are now speaking in tongues.