₦airaland Forum

Amujale:
That isnt a claim, that is a matter of fact.

Definately.

Lets put this nonsense insult of yours to bed.

I dont want to hear you utter anything else about 'Oba' until you provide us with the etymology.

Provide us the etymology of the term 'Oba'.

Ghostwon65:
I bet you in 20 years time or before then, Yoruba will be claiming Oba Ovonramwen was an ooni of ife who conquered Benin and chose to stay in Benin city as a war camp in order to fight the British.
How I wish people could just love their genuin history band stop trying to rewrite it (wink to the Yoruba). Look at Israel, it is a world power today and it never tried to suppress it's history. Jews descend from slaves who worked as slaves in Egypt ! And they say it proudly !
And look how far they have gone in life.
But here the Yoruba have no self-esteem due to their slave past (many of their ancestors were slaves in Brazil who were later dumped on our shores)

Ghostwon65:
The Fulani copied the ottomans by using titles such as sultan and emir. But at least they don't deny it.
But the Yoruba just copy do many tribes and don't even pay credit, they turn around and claim those tribes copied them, not too long ago the ooni was trying to claim Igbo.
He even claimed internet was derived from IFA.
The list goes on...
Why do these people lie so much ?

hayoholla:
You guys are fcukn retards I swear. Ability to comprehend is like the distance from Earth to the moon. the way you guys argue sef, can make someone faint. moneywomen, tao11 get time aswear. Trying to explain to these pipu is like explaining calculus to a 2 years old. Their brain never form reach.

gomojam:
Your husband is a lucky man. Kudos.

TAO11:
You think I am pained and you're glad cos of what you think. Lol.
You're a lost cause.

Baby Ibadan decimated what you call an empire.

This is the big issue that should bring daily tears to every bonafide Bini.

And your attachment is fake per se because only a part of it.

Why not attach how your 2by2 Benin kingdom was begging Otun-Ekiti for peace pact after Otun-Ekiti slaughtered many of Benin military commanders.

I learnt recently that even the small Ishans slaughter one of your Obas in battle just how Owo slaughter your military leader.

TAO11:
I'm stull waiting for you to show the etymology of the English word "King", and how it differs from the etymology of the English word "Ruler".

More people than before will see you as a ruler if you dont do this.

"Oba" in Yoruba language means "King" as their etymology is essentially the same.

But according to your own people and your supposed language, "Oba" means shine-shine.

Nothing even remotely close to ruler or king or monarch, etc.

Also, I agree that Baale is an Oba (King) in Edoland.

TAO11:
I am still waiting for the difference between "King" and "Ruler".

Mind you, your people have already busted everyehere by timidly asserting that for the Edoa, Oba has absolutely no meaning around Ruler, King, Monarch, etc.

They insist that it simply means "shine-shine"

[b]Yes, a baale may be an Oba (King) in Edoland if you insist. [/b]

TAO11:
You are a capital letter mumu.

Dummy, how does "King" contrast with "Ruler" in English ??

Moreover, you keep contradiction your own people who have damaged your Bini narrative by insisting that "Oba" for you Binis have absolutely no meaning around "King", "Ruler", "Monarch", etc.

They insist it simply means "shine-shine" --- no more, no less.

TAO11:
Guess what I found on closer inquiry of their language.

I found that their language is also tonal like Yoruba language.

In other words, a group of letters have a particular meaning applying a certain tone.

But the same group of letters have an entirely different meaning applying a different tone.

E.g., Ọbẹ̀ ---> Soup ... and ... Ọ̀be ---> Knife.


In a similar way, I found that the Edo word which they've been yapping about to mean "Shine" or "Red" is not even pronounced the same way as the word "Oba" which they use for their rulers.

The Edo word for "Shine"/"Red" is entirely different in pronunciation (and hence in meaning) from the word for "king".

Ther root word for "Shine" and "Red" has an actual cognate in Yoruba language --- and this will expose their hypocrisy in a moment.

The "red pap" that we Yoruba take is called .... "Ogi ba" or "Ogi ba-ba".

The same Yoruba cognate for that particular shade of color red is also seen in the name of "Oka ba-ba" ---> "Red sorghum".

Now paying attention to the intonation/pronunciation of the root of this word shows clearly that it is completely dufferent from the root of the one for "King"

For "Red Sorghum" the root is "Bà" (with the intonation/pronounciation "do")

But for "King" (from: reign-supreme, preside, etc) the root is Ba (with the intonation/pronounciation "re.

These are two clearly distinct pronounciations --> hence two clearly distinct words --> hence two clearly distinct meanings.

Thus, when they describe their 2nd dynasty rulers by the royal title "Omo N'Oba N'Edo", the word "N'Oba" here refers to the root "Bà" (with the intonation/pronounciation "do" --- that is from "red"/"shine".

But when they call their 2nd dynasty rulers "Ọba" (with the same intonation re-re which we repeatedly hear from them just as the Yorubas do), they therefore refer to another distinct word with merely coincidentally same letters.

It is this distinctly different word ""Ọba" (with the intonation re-re) that is completely absent from their language.

It is pronounced differently, and it comes from the root "Ba" (tone: re) meaning "to reign-supreme", "to preside", "to rule", etc.

The other root "Ba" (tone: do) is also found in Yoruba labguage and it refers to a specifix shade of red as already demonstrated.

It is this particular one they have in their language which means "red", "shine", etc. It is seen is their royal title "Omo N'Oba N'Edo" ---> meaning: "The child who shines for Edo".

So for Ife we see adreess of the royal title and the word "King" following each other side by side as follows:

Ooni Ife, Ọba Adeyeye Ogunwusi. ---> The one who owns Ife, ...

For Oyo we see adreess of the royal title and the word "King" following each other side by side as follows:

Alaafin Oyo, Ọba Lamidi Adeyemi. ---> The sovereign of the palace at Oyo, ...

For Benin we see adreess of the royal title and the word "King" following each other side by side as follows:

Omo N'Oba N'Edo, Ọba Ewuare ---> The child who shines for Edo.

The word "Ọba" being a different word from the Benin root for "shine", "red" (as explained) is therefore not derived from "N'Oba" which obviously comes a different root.

They want to deceive others to beleive that their use of the word "Ọba" comes from the word "N'Oba". That's a devilish lie that should be rejected outrightly. They themselves know that the two words comes from dufferent pronunciation, hence different meaning.

One is their indigenous word, the other(i.e Ọba) is a different word alien to their lexicon.

Notice that royal titles (whether for Ife, Oyo, or Benin, etc.) always goes with the Kingdom and they have nothing to do particularly and literally with word "Ọba" which simply means "King".

See again: Ooni Ife, Alaafin Oyo, Awujale Ijebu, Alake Egba, Olu Ilaro, Olu Eko, Omo N'Oba N'Edo, etc.

Cheers:

cc: Moneywomen17, illicit

TAO11:
"Uwa" in Yoruba means power, glory, grandeur, honour, etc.

What does it mean in ther language?

Perhaps similar meanings.


"Ade" means crown in Yoruba language.

It probably means the same thing in their language.


But when it comes to Oba

"Oba" means king in Yoruba language.


But in Edo language, "Oba" means "shine-shine" even though it's only their king who is so addressed.


Isn't the inferiority complex obvious??

Moneywomen17:
ade in Yoruba is crown what does it mean in edo. Egbe in Yoruba is like society or community I don’t know what u mean by uwa but if it’s iwa it’s character. With that said oba means king in Yoruba but in ur language it has no meaning so how does what u wrote make sense.

Moneywomen17:
ade in Yoruba is crown what does it mean in edo. Egbe in Yoruba is like society or community I don’t know what u mean by uwa but if it’s iwa it’s character. With that said oba means king in Yoruba but in ur language it has no meaning so how does what u wrote make sense.

lawani:
they are not obas but they have oja oba and otunba? They have their orikis but oba is the only word for king. Only Lagos is doing what you are accusing everyone of. All Yoruba obas are addressed with their orikis or styles

Moneywomen17:
fact. How can anybody say the word oba is not Yoruba and borrowed is very ridiculous. How can a word be borrowed when it has a meaning in the language and plenty of others in the Yoruba language relate to it. On the other hand how can someone claim a word if it doesn’t mean shit in ur language.

lawani:
we don't have another word for king except oba but different obas have different styles but they are all oba.

TAO11:
Shut up liar and stop lying through your teeth.


No where does the article say neighbouring villages.

It clearly mentions them by name to be EDO settlements within your 2by2 Benin Kingdom

I guess your Kingdom is not limited to the palace in Benin city, right?



And regarding your fake attachment, I have shown how Otun-Ekiti, Owo (to mention a few) dealt with your 2by2 kingdom.

Ibadan placed the crown on the earlier defeat.

Even Nupe too came and did their own.

What a pity to the 2by2 Benin Kingdom!!

lawani:
yet Alaafin Sango was nicknamed obakoso in the 15th century?

Moneywomen17:
tell us the name of the obas in Yoruba land that doesn’t use it as a title but are using it now please.

illicit:
Ogbeni na crap you dey talk.
a word having the same origin and now u said it means different things. are u even listening to yourself.
what do you know about etymology....

TAO11:
Baby Ibadan raided and decimated your 2by2 kingdom.

What do you have to say to this?

Moneywomen17:
ode can u tell me one king in Yoruba that changed his title that he was using previously to the oba title u claimed they adopt cuz as far as I can see the aalafin is still called alalafin and so many more. Oba Lori ngbogbo is yoruba. Ur word for king is Ogie.

illicit:
what does oba mean in ur language.

Oba is as old as Yoruba language.

illicit:
you are still confused.

any king in Yoruba land is an Oba no matter the title adopted.

Oba simply means the presiding one. it is as old as the language.

the only place where oba is specifically used as a title in Yoruba land is in Lagos. Oba of Lagos, the previous title for the king of Lagos island was Eleko of Eko. ( The owner of Eko)

illicit:
you are the confused one here.

Oba means king.

Now kings have different titles.

you should understand now

illicit:
it is linguist.

Ooni is short for Oonirisa ( human god or demigod)

Alaafin means owner of the palace.

these are titles for Obas (those who presides) in Ile Ife and Oyo respectively.

Moneywomen17:
shut up ilorin doesn’t have oba title. It was a military outpost with no king under oyo empire. Ilorin has an emir but the people still refer to their king as oba cuz that’s yoruba word for king.

TAO11:
2by2 Warriors that were decimated by ordinary baby Ibadan??

Why are you making this even worse for your 2by 2 kingdom.

Moreover, you just fled from a challenge, and that fact alone is reminiscent of how Ibadan scattered your people in all directions.

Is it how small Otun-Ekiti dealt with your 2by2 Benin Kingdom you want me to talk about?

Or how little Owo scattered your 2by2 benin army on at least 2 different occassion.

You've obviously chopped too much lies from your elders over there in 2by2.

illicit:
Ilorin never had a king. it was a military Outpost under the leadership of a general, it was part and parcel of the old Oyo empire... read between the lines

Moneywomen17:
u talk too much. U said there is nothing like oba it’s just an appellation. It’s called omo noba nedo. So why do u call ur king omo noba nedo uku akpolopo then call him oba ewuare or eweka again. What does name like obaseki translates to. And am still waiting for the 30 kings that came from Benin in Yoruba land.

illicit:
you are mixing history up.

Ilorin never had an Oba. it's simply an Oyo military Outpost Headed by the generalissimo Aare Afonja.

Alaafin was the supreme king.

the Fulanis took over the kingdom after Aares mutiny.

Emir is a funani titile.

Ilorin never had obas of its own.

Moneywomen17:
where was it rebuked. It merely stated Benin gain independence faster a long time ago