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Etinosa1234:
Obviously Benin lost wars

in fact Benin Empire became a shadow of itself in the 19th century

No one is invincible

Benin did not loose any war only the war against the British. There’s no account of Benin loosing any war. Loosing a battle doesn’t mean the war itself was lost.

TAO12:
Yes oo, emi l'omo k'a f'okpa wa, k'a f'aje wa, k'a f'ogede-gede owo wa oko de Isheri Olofin.

Yeah, I believe so about Olu. But that bro is a die- hard Hebrew wanna-be for interesting reasons.

The name "Eko" is a phono-semantic matching of Yoruba and Edo from the earlier original Yoruba name of the "Lagos" settlement, "Oko".

Talking about ownership, as far as the historical evidence is concerned, the "Lagos" region was first settled by the Aworis.

No doubt some Binis, Ijebus, and others who later came to be attracted there for trade purposes, did become absorbed.

Why do you always like to paint history with deceptive colours?
The Aworis were settled only on one of the islands that makes up present day Lagos.. Vast parts of present Lagos Islands were unhabited, owned by nobody. The Edo warriors came, subdued the Aworis on their island and established military garrisons on the other unhabited Islands. These military posts also served as camps for many Edo traders. These camps grew into settlements which absorbed the other original Awori settlement.

Other Yoruba tribes like the Ijebus began to migrate to Lagos after it was a thriving town thanks to Benin Kingdom which was already ruling Lagos.
The yoruba tribes migration to Lagos was mainly due to the wars and conflicts plaging Yorubalands.. Lagos serves as a place of refuge for the migrants many of whom settled on Lagos mainland and under the protaction of Benin Kingdom.

TAO12:
I ask again: Is "Lilliput", the latest addition to your vocabulary bank? Does it remind you of your autochthonous ancestors?

No, that video was meant to disgrace you for your ignorant statement that Awori is "an extinct group".


No, the only thing that was conquered is you Edo unsubstatiable lies -- including the one about Lagos which I'm conquering at the moment.



Looks like your lies weren't effective in helping to put you to sleep. May be your fantasies will anyways.

Poor you... even online your frustration is glaring..
yes "Lilliput" is my latest vocabulary for you. It describes your level of reasoning..

Which of my claims are you conquering?

That Benin Kingdom subdued and subjugated the Aworis (your tribe)?
That Benin Kingdom relegated Aworis (your tribe) to the background?
That the Aworis (your tribe) are now an extinct group?

please which of these claims are you conquering?

TAO12:
(1) Listen up Oh ye Edo slave of the Yoruba Oba of Benin, I don't mind that you struggle to spell Awori correctly. I am not expecting too much from a dyslexiac though.

(2) See embedded video of the Aworis of Lagos and Ogun States paying homage to Oba Ogunwusi at their root -- Ile-Ife:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88-cG1nC8fM

(3) The same Lagos of your dreams.

Cheers!

Lilliput, nobody cares about yoruba or awori roots (just as British colonial masters didn't care about African roots when conquering). We conquered and colonized all of your ancestors for over 500 years.. That is what matters..

If Oba of Benin visits Lagos, I bet the Oba of Lagos will give his throne to the Oba of Benin to sit on out of respect.. But if your Ooni visits he will be given a joko to simbe on... lol..

TAO12:
I am glad you didn't deny being a loyal slave of the Yoruba Oba of Benin.

Having said that, thick-skulled Binis can hardly differentiate between making an empty dead claim and proving such claim.

Lad, these two are not one and the same thing.

But if seeing them as one and the same thing helps you sleep at night, by all means feel free to go ahead.

There you go again Lilliput..
I didn't make up any claim.. It's all over historical archives and you can read it easily on the internet (which you know already) that "Aworis (your tribe) were subdued and subjugated by Benin kingdom and relegated to the background"... only a Lilliput will say I made it up..

TAO12:
Oh okay, now you've agreed that Lagos is more developed than Benin of stench and blood.

The Aworis singlehandedly developed Lagos since time immemorial (before Europeans and before Nigeria) to have green pastures seeker from everywhere -- even from as far away as outside of today's Nigeria.

LegendHero has disgraced you all on your jealous claim of contributing to Lagos' development.

Set awon developers.

Aworian shut up.. You guys are even an extinct group sef (courtesy of Benin Kingdom).
which lagos did you develop?

TAO12:
The Yoruba Oba of Benin considers all his Edo subjects to be his slaves.

So, you must always salute him even on Nairaland to prove your allegiance to his right of royal abuse over you.



If an unsubstantiable joke makes you sleep at night, by all means dwell in it.

Guess what, I am a living reality of what you always dream to be -- Lagosian.

Your foreparents are fond of Chimpanzees for obvious reasons.

You are frustrated again.. Don't be angry, I was only summarizing the paternal side of your history for you..
"The Aworis were subdued and subjugated by Benin Kingdom and relegated to the background".. This is your history for you..

gregyboy:
You guys are lost trying to find your history in the past that never existed.....
Tell me why i should believe yoruba own account of ownership of olokun against the scrrenshot edeyoung gave

Bro no need to argue with lilliputs..
It's common knowledge that Olokun was founded in Ughoton by Oba Ewuare the great..

BabaRamota1980:
Which includes forbidding them, at all ages, to wear clothes until he has given permission. If you see a 30yr old man or woman clothed, it is so because Omo Oba told them they can cover up, otherwise they dare not appear in public clothed.

Cc
TAO12

Lilliputs talking trash again..
Edo people weren't wearing clothes till the 19th century and the same naked Edo poeple conquered and ruled your ancestors for over 500years up till the 19th century.. Was it the naked big balls of my ancestors that scared your weak ancestors??

TAO12:
I'm not sure where he got the picture from. I'm only use his own picture to drive home my own point.

My mother is an Ife princess whose ancestry traces directly; through Ife princes, princeses, and kings; back to Ooni Lajamisan.

She travels home to her Akodi in Ife at some intervals for periodic meetings especially at the outset of the ascension of Ooni Ogunwusi.

Moreover, I am myself of Awori descent paternally -- so it goes back through Olofin Ogunfunminire of Lagos back to Ife again.

Genealogy is a very complex web anyways. It goes all over the place. I am, however, proud to have sufficient awareness of the many Yoruba Kingdoms that I am connected with.


What about you? Are you Yoruba?

The Aworis were subdued and subjugated by Benin Kingdom, and relegated to the background..
Now I know where your frustration comes from..

ayoola27:
u dey find trouble

Lol.

Just curious... �

TAO12:
(1) I am glad you admitted that Aje (from Ibadan) and Ogedengbe (from Ilesa) independently slave-raided Benin Kingdom and sacked many of its territories around the 1800s

Moreover, Yorubas have [b]several distinct, sovereign and independent KINGDOMS with different kings of different hierrachy of importance.

So, stop painting the false narrative of Yoruba as one kingdom ruled by one king and protected by one military.[/b]

Having clarified that, Dahomey or Igala could never possibly raid even the tiniest Yoruba Kingdom. Dahomey was an Oyo-conquered foreign territory. Also, the only Kingdom I remember that Igala once raided was Benin Kingdom

The Nupe, on the other hand, could only possibly attack a kingdom which was still at its early infancy beginings with no significant level of political, economic, or military organization yet; or a frail frontier kingdom.

This is in sharp contrast to the independent raids of Benin Kingdom by different Yoruba subgroups at different times around the 1800s -- a time when Benin Kingdom has been well established for centuries

So your claim here ranges from a pure blatant lie, to a pained and disgraceful distortion.

As for civil war, should I remind you that Benin Kingdom was so ravaged and grounded by civil war to the extent that its capital was reduced to a mere village??

This is despite the fact that there is only one Benin KINGDOM rising against itself , unlike the Yorubas where there are several distinct, sovereign and independent Kingdoms.

Do I have to mention the Nupe conquest of Benin Kingdom, or the quite recent Igbo slaughter of Benin Kingdom, or the recent threats from Ijaw about which your Omo N'Oba respected himself and avoided trespassing??


(2) At a time when Yorubas already considered clothing to be essential and normal for many many centuries; so many of your Edo fore-parents (while adults) were still roaming Benin streets stark n@ked without showing any shame.

Refer to the following (also attached) from H. L Roth(1903), p.24.:

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"... according to Dapper, "No man is allowed to wear any dress at all at court ... There are men at the King's court, twenty and twenty-four years old who without any semblance of shame go about naked, only wearing a chain of corals or jasper round their neck."

The statement continues as follows about your fore-mothers:

"Likewise, the women are not allowed to wear clothes, ... So you can see there, women of twenty and twenty-five years going along the streets perfectly nude without showing any shame."
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Your claim of selling cloth even makes everything worse for you and your 2by2 kingdom as this portrays your Edo fore-parents as very achaic and backward to the extent of thinking that wearing clothes was something luxurious and should be reserved to the King's family and much more older well to do men (and sometimes women).

In case you don't realize, many Yoruba kingdoms (of the coastal regions) were big time traders of European clothes. The Ijebus were particularly notable for clothing your people in an unprecedentedly large quantity.

Note: The more lies you come with, the more evidence I will counter you with, thereby exposing you and your 2by2 Kingdom to the Igbos and to the whole world. So any how you approach it, it's always you and Benin on the losing end.

Lilliput all this foolish narratives you keep throwing about doesn't sell.
I never potrayed Yoruba as one kingdom ruled by one ruler but rather as one race conquered (kingdom by kingdom, settlements by settlements) and ruled by Benin Kingdom for over 500years. If you will say the name of your tiny kingdom of origin I may find a detailed account of Benin conquest of your kingdom.

You can deny and glorify (your defeat) Dahomey, Igala and Nupe conquests of your ancestors.. History will not deny it lol..

As for clothing, Benin is known to have started production of wool clothings in this region, which they exported in bulk into Yorubalands clothing your ancestors.. Before Benin cloths came your ancestors were using palm leaves for cloth, Benin taught your ancestors textile clothing..
Ijebu came into the trade much later..

TAO12:
You don't make up stories yet you can't substantiate all these super-stories you've written with even one shred of historical documentation.

You are an insecure and infereior Edo joke as is expected.


Unlike your unsubstatiable super-stories above, the only relevant statements supported by historical documentation remains the following:

(1) Oranmiyan conquered your Edo people, scrapped Ogiso monarchy, and installed a Yoruba monarchy (i.e. "Oba" ) unchallenged till date.

(2) Youruba language was Benin Kingdom's lingua-franca for centuries.

(3) Aje, an Ibadan warrior, slave-raided Benin Kingdom for many, many years.

(4) Ogedengbe, an Ilesa warrior, slave-raided Benin Kingdom for months.

(5) Benin men and women roamed the streets stark n@ked even in as recent as the early 1900s.


All these facts are supported by history as I have demonstrated again and again on this same thread, while none of your super-stories above can be substantiated.

If Slave raiding should be used as points for claiming superiority then you Yorubas will still be the losers. Almost all tribes raided Yorubas for slaves. Dahomey raided you, Nupe raided you, igala raided you, even you raided yourselves lol. It’s like Yorubas were crops in a farm to be harvested. But I don’t celebrate such history.

As for your naked part, you lie there.
Benin was known to be the primary exporter of clothes to all parts of Nigeria and beyond. Everyone traded in Benin cloth because it was the best at that time. Benin exported cloth to Yoruba territories clothing your naked forefathers.
Now you shamelessly turn it around forgetting it’s all documented.

Run away Lilliput.

TAO12:
"small farm communities on the border"

"fled when a Benin army was advancing on his position"

ROTFLMAO!!!

Wait let me guess:
Ogedengbe "fled when [he received a telephone call from Benin that] a Benin army was advancing" to engage him on the small farm border communities.


Notice how I have easily turned all you Binis into straw-clutching clowns on Nairaland with your summersaulting from one unsubstantiable joke into another one.

It's also interesting to notice how you Binis have been abandoning your lies slowly:

Your super-stories have recently shifted from "Bini army killed Ogedengbe", to "Bini army stopped Ogedebgbe", and now to "Ogedengbe fled before the Bini army could arrive".


Hopefully some day (when you all grow up), you will admit the only substantiable historical account which notes that Ogedengbe continued to raid Benin Kingdom -- taking Edo captives from one Edo town to another until he got to IRUEKPEN where he agreed to simply forage for booty and then return back to his Idoani camp in Ondo, Yorubaland.

While this continued for weeks/months, the army of Benin Kingdom was helpless.

History can't be re-written!

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Unlike you I’m not interested in making up stories for fun..
Ogedengbe raided farm communities and when he learnt a Benin army was coming he fled. I believe you already knew that from your research if really you did any.

Ogedengbe and Ibadan episodes is actually not relevant to the scheme of things or play any important roles in shaping history. Slave raiders also raided Yoruba settlements as well as other tribes.

What is worth mentioning and countless books and articles and journals have been written about is that “once upon a time, Great Benin Kingdom conquered and ruled the Yorubas for almost a thousand years”.
That is a stain on your history that you can’t erase and the reason for your present headache and frustration lol.

TheBlessedHero:
@davidnazee, you're not sincere. In what world would any group of people or nation dash their defeated opponents an historical gifts, something of identity? For what purpose? what you said is like USA dashing the defeated Germans their flag after WW2, while USA later changed to another flag design.

What did benin gain by dashing igala the iyoba mask?

Please be reasonable. The iyoba mask is not a symbol of identity. Benin Kingdom had a flag just like regular flags.
A conqueror can give the ruler of his vassal state a gift and that ruler can proudly wear it on his neck. Nothing wrong with that. Or the Attah could have been ordered at that time to always wear it on his neck as a sign of loyalty to the Benin Kingdom and it eventually becomes a tradition for them.
Anything could have happened. But the igalas never got into the palace grounds.

And FYI, after the defeat of Igala, peace treaty was held by both parties and gifts were exchanged as a symbol for the treaty. The Igalas gave the Benin a traditional knife and Benin also gave something, probably the mask but I’m not sure what it was.

MetaPhysical:
Even Igala fought a war and sacked the palace. The Igala warriors took back a trophy that the Attah wears till today to prove his superiority. The iyoba mask on Attah is the original. Not as fanciful and ornamented as the copies found all over the world today.

The second war, Igala was camped at the frontier and Edo quickly sent fresh virgins to the Igala camp for appeasement.


They cannot deny it that Ogedengbe raided Benin, otlr that Igala raided Benin, much as they would love to.

Britain was the last to raid Benin.

Ogedengbe only raided small farm communities on the border of Benin Kingdom and fled when a Benin army was advancing on his position. He was actually advised by his lieutenants to flee or face certain death from the Benins because Benin has never been defeated in battle. He expected those lieutenants and wanted to face the army but the growing fear and anxiety among his soldiers made him change his mind so he fled.
In the end he was a coward.

Igala did not raid Benin Kingdom. They sprung a surprise attacked on the kingdom (didn’t reach the palace) but were repulsed and the battle taken to their kingdom.
I don’t know how the Attah got the iyoba mask but I don’t think it was taken from the palace but rather given as a gift to the Attah after igala was defeated.
The Iyoba title was created after the igala defeat to honour Oba Esigie’s mother for her contribution to the success of the war. So a mask for that title would have been made after the title was created. So how did the Attah get a mask for a title that most likely hadn’t been created when igala attacked Benin?

Edeyoung:
I will give a benefit of doubt you have to bring historical backings to this


Ekalderhan existed in benin history but like many oral history it had many tales not even linking to oba dynasty...... Davidnazee gave a screenshot on that....
Oba eweka 11 made the proclamation that ekaladeran left to ife which didn't happen in history


You just have to read.... Dont let the words of others fool you......

My bro the article I posted didn't say Ekhaladeran died in Ughoton.. Anything could have happened. Destiny may have taken him West into Yorubaland.
I have come across some interesting details concerning Edo/Yoruba relationship that is worth considering too..

Ekaladerhan’s association with Ife and his name change to Oduduwa cannot be dismissed out of hand. This is because Benin people had an extensive interaction with Ife in the pre-Oduduwa period, as attested by the yet to be published Ikedu traditions of Ife. The Ikedu tradition which is the oldest tradition of the Ife people identifies the rulers of Ife as Oghene, an Edo word for God and name which only the Benins and some Edo people use to address the king of Ife. There are also words and names in the ikedu tradition that are very close to Edo words such as Orisanobu-Oghene (Osanobua-Edo) for God, Uko (emissary-Edo) for policeman, Owiogho (Owa-Igho) for house where money is kept, Otu (Otu-Edo) group of age grade, Ehele (Eghele-Edo) largest and middle class, Oma (Omwan-Edo) free citizen, Ekila (Eki-Edo) trade fair and so on (Akinjogbin, 1993: 8-11). One wonders how possible the oldest tradition of the Ife people recognizing an Edo word as the original word for the kings of Ife rather than their own language and having traces of Edo words in their ancient tradition? could it be that the founders of Ife recognizing the rulership of Edo people over Ife tradition and Edo may have influenced ancient Ife people pre-Oduduwa/Eweka preiod?

Another puzzle in Benin-Ife relations, particularly in relation to Ekaladerhan’s transmutation to Oduduwa as claimed by Benin writers and Oba Erediauwa, which scholars in the field have not considered over the years is the observation of H. L. Ward-Price, District officer and later Resident of Oyo province (1920s-1930s) during the burial of the Ooni Ademiluyi Ajagun of Ife in 1930 that: “The body of the king is then washed with water from his private well. The two big toes are tied together with a thin metal chain specifically made for the purpose by a blacksmith. The hair of the head is shaved; coral beads are placed around the neck; the skin is well rubbed with a kind of chalk found at Benin, some two hundred miles away. This treatment, combined with the tight binding cloth round the body serves to delay decomposition. (Ward-Price, 1939: 142).
The distance travelled to obtain the chalk raises a fundamental question of why the Ife royalty choose to go far-away Benin and not other nearby places in Yoruba land? Present-day Ifedayo in the Ife central local government area, nearby Iperinde in Ilesha, Iwaraja in Osun State, and various locations in Ondo State are all known to be rich in efun (Yoruba) or Kaolin chalk (KPMG, 2008: 11 and Ajeigbe et al., 2014: 118)…

Given that the use of white kaolin chalk is not known as a funeral ritual ingredient among Yoruba and is widely used in funerals and particularly royal funerals in Benin, the collection of Kaolin Chalk from Benin and rubbing on the corpse of the Ooni of Ife, shows this custom was obviously borrowed from Benin and most probably through the agency of Prince Ekaladerhan, who the Benin’s claim is Oduduwa. The rubbing of the body with chalk from Benin is either a symbolic burial in the natal soil(home), or a ritual propitiation, which is also a Benin custom. These custom lend some credence to Benin’s claim that Prince Ekaladerhan is the same person as Oduduwa…
Further evidence of this pre-Oranmiyan dynastic link between Benin and Uhe or Ife can be seen in some other rituals performed by the Oonis of Ife that relate to Benin. The most recent Ooni of Ife, Oba Okunade Sijuade, Olubuse II, stated that the Ooni must perform certain rituals with seven black cows before he can travel to Benin (cited in Osemwegie-Ero and Owie, 2016: 96-97). This seeming confession was made shortly after Ooni Sijuade came out from the compulsory seclusion during Olojo festival where he confided in the journalist which was published on Lagos weekend Newspaper, October 26th, 1990. He clearly stated that the tradition was imposed by the ancestors/founders of Ife. One wonders who that founder was to have imposed such uncommon show of loyalty to the king of Benin?

This rite seems suggestive of a revocation or cleansing of some oath about Benin, otherwise why would he have to perform such rites when going to visit his presumed ‘son’ whom he had sent to rule over Benin.

Oba gha to kpere. Ise.

Edeyoung:
Benin is an independent ethnic group which since inception never had any ancestral connections with yorubas, like we all know oba eweka11 created a myth linking edo ancestral royalty with yorubas for political reasons out of fear of edo been a mioriry he had maintained ekaladeran who originally died at ughoton left to found ife after a distortion in benin monarchy, although the story is known to be a myth, but benins influence on yorubas cannot be undermined and it shouldn't be mistaken that the cultural similarities between this two group had come from oromiyan, “oba eweka mythology” which has already been proved to be a mere political staged myth, history has it that benins had been in the shores of the yorubas before the advent of the Portuguese the first Europeans who visited benin in 1475AD,  the reign of the great warrior king ewuare who reigned at the late 15 century had conquered yoruba areas closed to benin and had brought them under his rule , Yoruba areas like owo", ifon, ore'. in the present ondo state have all fell to his rule and the subsequent obas in benin, had expanded the territories further interior into yoruba lands,
The term jebus is a coined word from benin which originated from capture yoruba slaves by benin warriors who were used as sacrifice to the goddess of the river olokun, when this yoruba slaves were thrown to this river it usually gives the sound jebu " which the word jebu was coined from, a French writer also wrote in the 16c that the lucumies(oyo). Once served as slaves in the palace of the Oba,
   The benins warriors also had served as machineries in the past for some yoruba kings and benin had constantly sold guns to the various yorubas in thier various wars which samuel johnson witnessed and mentioned in his book history of yorubas written in 1897
In the aspect of trading benins had sold clothes beeds to the yorubas through trading
In a nutshell the relationship between benin and eastern yorubas had been conquered and conqueror and as a whole to the entire yoruba people it had been a family friend relationship and Not necessarily a family relationship which people mistake it for, oyo and benin had clashed in the past over the protection of eastern Yoruba vassal which benin came victorious, benin had sold many yorubas as slaves to the Europeans and yorubas as a whole have been greatly influenced by benin culture through various activities.

Nice one bro..
Yorubas will never agree that their first colonial masters was Great Benin Kingdom (Edos).. There's actually no shame in that but foolish pride and complex issues will not let them see the truth but rather they will start to fight and debunk and come up with stupid theories.

TAO12:
I have responded to this link there where I alluded to the historical fact (also attached evidence) of how Ibadan raided Benin Kingdom for slaves and sacked many territories of Benin Kingdom.

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Nobody (including scholars/historians) acknowledges this rubbish you wrote as significant enough to study or research.. it’s not true or even if it was, it played no role at all in affecting Benin Kingdom in any way so no attention is paid to this.
However there are numerous books and studies detailing Benin conquests and colonization of the Yoruba people. That is a forever “stain” on your seemingly great history lol.

And for your foolish talk about Benin speaking Yoruba, that is a big lie. It is not written anywhere that Benin spoke Yoruba. But however it is well documented that the Edo language was spoken and understood to some great degree in many parts of Yorubaland. This will be due to the fact that the Edo language was the language of your first colonial masters.

MetaPhysical:


So its now an obsession?
David, this girl has scattered your 500yr old otumokpor. Surrender your night broomstick now and promise never to do witchcraft anymore.




TAO,
Great job jare!

She (Yorubas) can have my broomstick if it will boost your weak and inferior egos. I no want am again lol.
You people are desperately trying to steal the glory and achievements of another tribe just to make yourselves look great lol. Well it’s understandable to envy Benin Kingdom especially when you open history books and all you see is mighty Benin Kingdom but trying to claim it as yours when it’s not is shameful and inferior.
Keep trying to repair your inferior history.

LoveToRead:
'You did very well.' She smiled and nodded as she sat up on the sofa . 'I want to ask you a personal question.'

I smiled too. 'You can ask any question, mummy.'

'Have you had a sugar mummy before?'

The smile on my face became a grimace. What a question! Had her daughter not asked something quite similar to that before? Then, I had parried it. This time around, I must answer it.

I shook my head. 'No, I've never had the experience.'

She smiled again. 'Do you really see me as your sugar mummy?'

The question came like a whiplash. Why was she asking all these? What did she herself take me for? Ever since she mentioned intimacy, had we really been intimate? Did she herself not set the bar on how far things could go? Was she just teasing me or was she playing on my emotion?

'I don't see you as sugar mummy, or anything close to that,' I blurted out. 'Rather I see you as my benefactor.'

She nodded as if that was the answer she expected.

I'm sorry the way I tested you.'

I was surprised again. 'Tested me? How?'

She chucked. 'I tested you when I suggested intimacy. I never had that plan.'

I opened my mouth in shock. 'You mean all that was a test? That all that you said was a test, all this while?'

She tapped the sofa she was sitting on. 'Come over here.'

I went to sit by her side. I was so close to her that our shoulders were almost rubbing.

'I needed to do that testing,' she continued. 'I wanted to know if you had moral scrupples or not. Well, congratulations. You passed the test and here we are.'

I found what she was saying incredible. I wished she was joking and I could discern some facetious intent. Unfortunately, I could not.

'But, what if I had said yes to your proposition?' I asked.

She shook her head as if it was a weighty question. 'My dear Alex, if you had said yes, I would have paid you off as the lesson teacher of Sophia, and that would have been the end of my acquaintance with you.'

I was astonished again. Wonderful! This Madam B was a woman of wonders! Again, I tried to see if she was just playing on words. She was not. Madam Bimpe Da Rocha was a seriuos minded person who barely had time for puns or jokes.


https://m.okadabooks.com/book/about/the_sugar_mum_revised_edition/24398

What is this nah? U reposted ur last update again only added few lines to it. seems like u don dey dry ooo.

TAO12:
Indeed, only a "Nobody" will type such gibberish as the above.

Your obsession with Benin is a sickness for you.. you are still trying to prove your foolish theories..

LoveToRead:
We chatted on other matters thereafter. She did most of the talking, revealing some of her private matters. I was the good listener that was making the appropriate interjections and responses.

   About seven p.m, she asked if I could help her to massage her feet. I answered in the affirmative. She went to her bag and brought a lotion.

   'I usually use this lotion to massage the legs.'

   'No, problem, mummy.' I collected the lotion from her. She placed her legs on the sofa while I sat next to her feet. I had helped Enny to massage her thighs and back in the past, so, I was not strange to doing this kind of thing.

I rubbed the lotion on my palms and ran my hands over her legs. She closed her eyes and I imagined what was going on in her mind.

   I did the massaging to the best of my ability, from her knees to her ankles and the feet.

   'That was good,' she commented. 'You did it like a professional.'

   'Well, I just tried in my little way.'

   'You did very well.' She smiled and nodded as she sat up on the sofa . 'I want to ask you a personal question.'

   I smiled too. 'You can ask any question, mummy.'

   'Have you had a sugar mummy before?'

   The smile on my face became a grimace. What a question! Had her daughter not asked something quite similar to that before? Then, I had parried it. This time around, I must answer it.

   I shook my head. 'No, I've never had the experience.'

   She smiled again. 'Do you really see me as your sugar mummy?'

   The question came like a whiplash. Why was she asking all these? What did she herself take me for? Ever since she mentioned intimacy, had we really been intimate? Did she herself not  set the bar on how far things could go? Was she just teasing me or was she playing on my emotion?

   'I don't see you as sugar mummy, or anything close to that,' I blurted out. 'Rather I see you as my benefactor.'

   She nodded as if that was the answer she expected.

   ‘I'm sorry the way I tested you.'

    I was surprised again. 'Tested me? How?'

    She chucked. 'I tested you when I suggested intimacy. I never had that plan.'

    I opened my mouth in shock. 'You mean all that was a test? That all that you said was a test,  all this while?'

    She tapped the sofa she was sitting on. 'Come over here.'


Full story available at: https://m.okadabooks.com/book/about/the_sugar_mum_revised_edition/24398

Nice story but this your unnecessary delays is making the story become boring.

gregyboy:
The tracing of all yoruba history to ife was never historical, it was first used by Samuel johson




Again when did oduduwa exist

People allegedly ascribed the invention of the word “Ekaladerhan” to Oba Erediauwa of blessed memory that he coined that word to discredit his Yoruba heritage, that thought is steeped in the abyss of the ignorance of such minds hence an illumination of facts will help in bringing this people to an historical light. Ekaladerhan first appeared in written word in 1903, an extract from a colonial recording in the 1800s and published in 1903:

“Gwatun was the head centre of the cult Malaku, the spirit of big water, i.e., the sea, big rivers, not creeks. Hence it is easy to understand why it should be the town set aside for the entrance to Benin of the white man who came to the big water. I used to be told in a vague way the tale of the foundation of Guatun. A son of a king named caladesan was its founder. Either his mother was false, or else he was accused of attempting one of his fathers wives. Anyhow he fled from Benin, and after much wandering and some magic with a palm tree and a turtle, took up his home at Guatun, where the turtle is sacred to this day, as it is also in Ilaro, to the west of Lagos colony, and in many other places. Caladesan’s town throve, and he defeated an army sent by the King of Benin. His independent sovereinghty was allowed but he was never to return to Benin”: - Great Benin: Its customs, Art and Horrors, by Ling Roth, 1903.

Note: in the old English language that R was written as letter S hence the spelling caladesan instead of Caladeran.
And Malakun refers to the Olokun cult which was founded in Gwato area.

gregyboy:
Bitch shut up, you aint getting any replying from me


So stop quoting me I would reply a mad man questions not you.....


You LovePeddler

Lol.. please be gentle on her
I have come across writings from the 17th century that mentioned the Ekhaladeran story.. I will post it if I find it.

LoveToRead:
God bless you too.

Please update quick.. no be God bless I wan read.

TAO12:
Yes, Benin may have indeed enslaved captives from some minority Yoruba-speaking frontier settlements such as some Bariba people, et al.

Although, these are people who also have adopted Yoruba as their language, they are clearly not Yoruba people ethnically speaking.

They are certainly not Yoruba people per se. And even your own attachment with its probabilistic statement also admits that.

However, the Ibadan (all the way from the Yoruba interior) came to raid Benin Kingdom for slaves for a long time. (see 2nd attachment for a fresh reminder).

Having countered that, you are yet to explain how these "same slaves" were so influential that they imposed their Yoruba language (on their Edo subjects) as the lingua-franca for the whole of Benin Kingdom.

Also, you are still yet to explain how these "same slaves" managed to be the ones running the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom.

#InfluentialImaginarySlaves

You are quick to deny ur Slave people but yet still feel a sense of pride and achievements from working in the greatest palace on earth.
It’s ok to feel that way but they are slaves.

TAO12:
"Slaves" were running the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom

In fact, same "slaves" were so influential that they imposed their Yoruba language (on their Edo subjects) as the Kingdom's lingua-franca.

#InfluentialImaginarySlaves

Yoruba slaves hired as palace staff, stop confusing yourself.. I told you earlier, it is easier to punish a foreigner than a citizen.. That is the reason Yorubas were hired to work in the palace. And it is known world over that Kings always hire foreigners with no affiliations to anyone to work in the palace administration..

Obalufon:
only record i know is ekiti and oyo skirmishes . Oyo could not extend its authority on ekiti due to their rocky terrain nothing to do with Benin

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Obalufon:
only record i know is ekiti and oyo skirmishes . Oyo could not extend its authority on ekiti due to their rocky terrain nothing to do with Benin

I will post it when I find it.

Obalufon:
useless thug no record of OYO going to war with benin it can't be they are brothers

No record or you don’t believe they went to war??
There are records of the wars between Benin and Oyo. It is also on record that Oyo expansion eastward was cut by the powerful Benin expansion and conquest westward deep into Yorubalands.