₦airaland Forum

redflame:
See, it is not as easy as you presume. They needed to be tried in court before any judgement will be passed. And mind you the coup was initially celebrated by the public, go and read about the event again.

What I think is that the northern elites were impatient and angry that they were no longer holding power. They only used ironsi careful but slow method in following up the incidence as an excuse.

Ugosample:
That was too bad!

I remember that fiasco

Why are we as a people like this in Nigeria?

Agbalowomeri:
Has to be good dividend-paying coy
My intention wouldn't be for dividend though but to wait for my 100-200% target Lol

gidgiddy:
Whatever decree that was passed by Ironsi is not the issue. The issue is how Nigeria went from a structure of 4 Regions to a structure of 36 states. Who abolished the 4 constitutionally created Regions we had? Today, not one of the 36 states in Nigeria was constitutionally created. So the narrative is that whoever abolished the 4 Regions is the person who destroyed the structural arrangement of Nigeria. Gowon abolished the 4 Regions and created 12 states, Murtala Mohammed took it from 12 states to 19. IBB also created some states. Ironsi was the only person who met 4 Regions and left 4 Regions. Therefore, anybody who accused Ironsi of being the one who destroyed the structure of Nigeria is an ignoramus.

gidgiddy:
I don't care what Ironsi said, I'm after what he did.

Ugosample:
I no blame una

Agbalowomeri:
I can still do 18months to 2 years max sha, depending on my entry price

Alaadin:
this is the deadly truth

Coolcash1:
AIICO's shenanigan and other "jumanji" things by our corporate cow boys are the reasons why I can never invest my money long term in NSE...My slogan is rise and chop.... I always laugh at those who come here to preach such to uninformed rookies...

DeRuggedProf:
There is absolutely no price to guarantee sleep, you may wake up and see the floor price frozen with no bids for years...
I still hold Goldlink Insurance...

nku5:
Isaac Boro's adventure was not a mutiny please. He was a civilian at the time he gathered about 150 men, attacked a police station and declared Niger Delta Republic. That is treason in a simple form and he was tried in a court at Port Harcourt. You can't compare it to the Nzeogwu coup that destroyed an entire government, took down the Prime Minister, Premiers, Ministers, Army Generals etc

gurnam:
Get out of here with your rubbish

A statement made OPENLY should have an audio record. Can you please give a link to such ?

You guys are born to lie without shame

gidgiddy:
You don't get it. Military rule is always temporal. What is permanent is civilian rule. So if Ironsi centralised power using decree, the same decree would have been removed whenever civilian rule returned since civilians don't take military decrees into democracy. But when Gowon came, he divided the 4 Regions into 12 states, Murtala came after him and increased it to 19 states. The result of this state creation is that by the time civilians were returning, it was impossible to return to the regionalism of 1966. Had Gowon, Murtala and IBB kept the 4 Regions they way Ironsi left them, all the civilians would have had to do is to decentralised government and continue with 4 Regions. Ironsi only changed the style of governance, but he did not tamper with the structure of Nigeria. Gowon came in and destroyed the structure.

Shayetet13:
And which history book have you been reading? In that your history book, what agreement did Ojukwu reach with Awolowo after he released him from Calabar prison?

RillJ:
Bro, you really have no idea what is killing this country. Check this out!

“Of the 193 UN member states, 165 are governed as unitary states”

China, France, UK, Italy, Spain
are some of the notable countries that practice Unitary Form of Govt in the world today. Do these countries have the kind of challenges that Nigeria has self-inflicted upon herself?

Ironsi was/is not our problem unless we want to continue in the pathetic delirium of boot-licking our oppressors while blaming their wickedness on those manly enough to heap dirt on.

horsepower101:
Focusing on the decree while ignoring the context surrounding that decree is one of the most evil things Nigerians have done to Ironsi legacy.

A military man who saw chaos happening to his beloved country did what any person in his position will do and that was to first and foremost bring order to his country.

The easiest way to stop the national bleeding was to bring the regions under his control since their leaders were assassinated by a south south man.

Shayetet13:
That is what is called breaking point. All over the world, except with the fulani herdsmen, people dont usually start retaliatory or reactionary moves almost immediately. They give benefit of the doubt while talking, complaining and agitating hoping that common sense will prevail until they can no longer take it. That is how every sensible people behave. Thanks for noticing that Ojukwu and Ironsi were sensible. However, we cannot say the same of the northerners cos they continued killing, provoking a succession(From a people who would rather be on their own than retaliate by killing back just like the herdsmen do today over cows). You could see clearly that the succession move was the only civilized move to take at that point that breaking point was attained.

nku5:
For goodness sake don't compare the ironsi regime to the latter crude military administrations of people like Buhari or Abacha.

You don't just gather people who planned an unsuccessful coup and execute them. You investigate and arraign them before the relevant court or tribunal. The government was waiting for the investigative report on the coup by then IG of police M.D.Yusuf.

gidgiddy:
Centralizing government is not the same as destroying the regional structure. They are two different things. It is not possible for Ironsi to have destroyed the Regional structure since all 4 Regions were still existing even to the day Ironsi died.

It is one thing to change the system of governing, it is another to change the structure of the country. Gowon changed the structure of Nigeria by subdividing the 4 Regions he inherited from Ironsi into 12 states.

Shayetet13:
You are speaking as though Ojukwu woke up one day without any provocation to declare biafra? When you want to condemn Ojukwu's action, atleast consider the totally unprovoked massacre of Igbo race severally in the north. As the leader of the eastern states, what other option is there to react to the senseless killings? Order killing back? He is no animal! So what other option is there? Cower and accept the continuous killings? Igbos we know are no cowards. His decision to succeed was the best line of action. His mistake probably was that he trusted a certain tribe so much to keep up to their end of an agreement. If that tribe didn't agree at first, he would have considered other options towards the succession declaration.

horsepower101:
You also ignored the FACT that he (Ironsi) left the regions INTACT. It was GOWON that broke up the regions into 12 states by fiat in order to weaken the eastern region.

He only placed the civil service under military command because of the crisis in the nation at that time.

wirinet:
In all your write up, you avoided the fact that it was Ironsi that unilaterally imposed the unity or centralised form of government on us. So who should we blame for destroying our regional structure?

Why should we blame Nzeogwu and co when his coup failed? Did Nzeogwu ever take over the government? If Ironsi was not complicit in the coup, why did he simply reinstall the regional governments after the coup and return the army back to the barracks?
O, he wanted to rule the whole of Nigeria.

We do not love the status quo, the political elites (from all regioins) love the status quo. It gives then unlimited power and access to the national purse.

horsepower101:
You have to give yorubas credit where credit is due. No tribe in Nigeria can beat them in propaganda..

Yorubas understand that if you repeat a lie so many times, it becomes true and they have exploited that vulnerability in human nature.

gidgiddy:
You guys are still peddling this age old lie?

Ironsi was the only military head of state who came in and kept the 4 Regions he met on the ground. All others like Gowon and this same IBB came in and subdivided Nigeria into states.

If IBB and others had kept the 4 Regions as Ironsi did, Nigeria would have returned to Regionalism whenever democracy returned.

The state creation exercise by Northerners destroyed the structural arrangement of Nigeria so if you want to blame anyone about the structure of Nigeria, blame them and not Ironsi

redflame:
The 5 majors were initially cheered by the general public and media organizations, so don't blame ironsi for not executing them immediately.

chiagozien:
i will like to have it If you think am wrong.

NdiaraIGBO:
After reading the above, I now like the fact that he was killed like a Dog!!!!!!

Amumaigwe:
And he created the unitary system of government on the advise of 'his people' past, present and future?

gurnam:
Lmao! You are really bitter!! Every affliction affecting you igbos is caused by Yoruba people

Which Yoruba man promised you Presidency, if you need clarification about your promise, go and meet Boss Mustapha

Back to OP
The name Ironsi evokes a tribalistic, foolish, self-serving, greedy, Mr Decree 34 man. A typical Ibo man!

He was killed like a common dog. May his soul Rest permanently in the deepest part of hell fire

Uchek:
Ironsi is not the founder of unitary system of government. Gowon/Awolowo government destroyed Nigeria's federalism. Go educate yourself for the benefit of your unborn generation.

chiagozien:
What is restructuring?



Same people that joined the north to kill easterns when gowon broke the aburi accord will always be making noise everywhere in the name of restructuring.
What restructuring will be better than the one they agreed at ghana.

moneywoman74:
The change of strategy is that, I need more money now as responsibilities has drastically increases, therefore dividend alone is not enough.