₦airaland Forum

VivaDeAngelo:
Your honesty has been compromised.

Why not just be honest enough to admit that you obviously have no answers to my posers?

success1smyn:
is Edo not part of the 36 state of Nigeria?


ayam not understanding

Na bad belle dey worry am.

AngryNigerian22:
[color=darkblue] What is edo doing on that list[/color]

What will Edo not be doing on the list?
If we were practising true federalism Edo would have always topped the list. You can take that to the bank.
Up Edo!

dometome:
You cannot be Christian and be a politician at the same time, You are advocating for God's Kingdom and advocating for Human kingdom at the same time. You must find one and stick with it, because you cannot serve two masters at a time.

You are dead wrong.
Just before Jesus was taken back up to heaven His disciples asked Him if He would at that moment restore the earthly kingdom of Israel to them. That means the closest followers of Jesus were interested in how they were being politically governed and were seeking political independence from the Roman Empire. Did Jesus scold or rebuke them for their interest in politics and earthly governance? No.
Jesus even promised them that the time would come when their political aspirations would be fulfilled by the God they were serving through Him.
That was Jesus'own approval of political participation (i.e the advocacy of human kingdom) by his own disciples whom he had already also given the commission and mandate to advocate God's kingdom.

Also, in Romans 16:23 Paul sent greetings to some believers from another believer Erastus who was the city treasurer. City treasurership is a position of earthy governance derived from political involvement. Why did Paul address Erastus as a fellow believer if political participation violates Christianity tenets?

The problem with you JWs is that you just want to outwardly appear different from others in order to deceive gullible unbelievers that you are better than everyone else. In your wierd quest for being different you invent human assumptions and propagate them in manners that depict them as derived from the Bible. When the discerning Christians challenge you to prove those human laws with the scriptures you delve into logic and historical account as if human error bound records of history are more authentic than the Bible itself which is God's own record of the same history.

You don't need human records or results of human researches to prove the Bible right or wrong. Before Ferdinand Magellan undertook the circumnavigation voyage, the Bible had already recorded that the earth is spherical. Waiting for the results of human researches to corroborate biblical facts before accepting their veracity is blasphemous as it suggests that God's words must need human approval and confirmation before being accepted by believers.

dometome:
Hahahahahahahahahahahhahahh Hahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha!
The question I asked is simple, where is the love? How hard can that be?
That it wasn't recorded in the scriptures doesn't mean it did not happen. Cornelius would certainly have become a member of the Senate if he continued as a soldier in the army, when he retires, but he did not become a senator, which means that he must have resigned, his Christlike life will not permit him to go to war and he can no longer be paid by the Roman government if he doesn't carry out his duties, is he tge only one? No! Even Theophilus (though he wasn't a soldier but a high ranking official that he was addressed as his Excellency by Apostle Paul). Use your head!

Since when did conjectures become permitted in defending ones doctrines supposedly based on the scriptures?
If it's non-mention in the scriptures doesn't mean it didn't happen, then it could as well mean it didn't really happen. Conjecturing runs in two directions. So why choose the one direction that favours your sentiment?

Themandator:
You or another person made a post that Cornelius resigned from the army after his encounter. Another person asked you to help with the scripture that told you that. You didn't not need embark on a merry go round. Just give the scripture.

If it is not in the scripture, you are practicing religion. Man's personal effort to be in right relationship with God as against the scriptural prescription.


All this rigmarole won't help your case. Again, I ask, Did Cornelius resign from the army?

Thank you very much. He categorically initially ascribed it to the scriptures but when asked to reference the exact scriptures he went into a conjectural merry-go-round. That is what they are known for.

dometome:
Hahahahhahahahaha Hahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Ignorant and proud. The rejection of blood based treatment has not killed anyone, instead it is the bad medical facilities in this useless country that has killed people, and it continues killing people everyday, and not just JWs. In sane countries you hardly hear of it, yes sometimes people die in their hospitals, Ie Stella Obasanjo, sbe died in Spain. Omar Bongo of Gabon died in Barcelona, YaraDua died in Saudi Arabia, they died in top hospitals around the world, but the rate at which people die in nigerian hospitals is sky high as a result of poor and very bad medical facilities not the Rejection of bloodless medicine.

Why do doctors reject the treatment on THEMSELVES AND THIER FAMILIES? Why os the US millitary focusing so much attention to bloodless medicine in the battle field for their wounded soldiers? Does Blood transfusions guarantee long life, or are you merely importing someone else's blood and problems into yourself? The Bible says ABSTAIN FROM BLOOD, THINGS THAT ARE STRANGLED AND FROM IDOLS.

In Biology it is a principle that meat from which blood is 100℅ removed is very whitish. But you buy and eat Red meat from the markets yet you claim you forbid eating or taking blood and blood products. What an interesting irony!

dometome:
It is true that it wasn't recorded in the scriptures, but we can tell very well that, since Christians were pacifists, being in the army will only negate that fact, mind you that in the Roman empires, being a high ranking official in the army was an easy way to make it into the Roman Senate, Cornelius did not get to that extent, he was paid sixteen times the wage of a day labourer, so he clearly had the means. I asked you a question, okay let me bring it home, during the world war 2 The German church fathers prayed over and blessed the weapons of the Nazis, the Nazis used the weapons to march into France and killed very many Catholics, while the Christian way is that of peace and agape love, so where is the love?

But you initially said it categorically and authoritatively that Cornelius resigned from the army after conversion. So why the shift of goalpost now? Do you think the scriptures would have omitted it if resignation from the army were a post-conversion requirement?
The Bible itself says that the scripture, as it is, is just enough to teach us all we really need to know in order to please God.
John The Baptist only admonished his guest soldiers in the wilderness to refrain from abuse of their profession for oppression and pervertion of justice. He didn't ask them to stop being soldiers after baptizing them.
The cases of German Nazis vs Catholics were all instances of abuse of the military. Don't religious leaders of every religious group abuse their positions? Does that now make the whole idea of religion evil?

Christianity is not absolutely pacifist as you would have us believe. Christianity advocates self defence where necessary and possible, and defending yourself could sometimes entail physically injuring your attacker in such a way that incapacitates him from further hurting you.
If a Fulani Herdsman comes around with the intention of killing everyone in your family and you have access to a gun, would you take a seat and watch him just because you are a pacifist demonstrating agape love?

dometome:
Cornelius after receiving the gospel from the apostles stopped being a military official, the army will send you to kill a fellow human being simply because some stupid politicians said so, is that Christlike? Mind you Christianity is not limited to Israelites alone, it is a global movement, in Rwanda fir example Catholic Hutus were happily killing Tutsi Catholics, while the bible said you should have agape love between each other, so if I kill my brother, where is the love? When you talk, think first not after.

Please can you point me to the part of the scriptures that expressly states that Cornelius resigned from the Army after his conversion?
Did the Roman centurion also resign from the Army after receiving Jesus' miracle? Did the soldiers who encountered John The Baptist resign from their jobs after hearing his message in the wilderness?

Hairyrapunzel:
They will not want to call it offering because they want to look different from others. What they don't know is that they practice the same thing just like the others no matter the kind of name they want to tag theirs

You just said it all very succinctly. The outward appearance of being different is their priority. Same reason why they don't call themselves a church as Jesus Himself directed but chose for themselves a name not found anywhere in the scriptures. They would have even been more sincere if they had been calling themselves Kingdom Hallers rather than still struggling to be called Christians whom they want to appear different from by all means. Very funny folks.

Gerrard59:
Just like most posters have said, the donations are strictly on optional basis. On the other hand, the JWs are good but like Deepwater said, they operate like a cult. Apparently, most religious groups do so but theirs is to another level. I cannot forget them excommunicating my mom because she joined the army. What a church!

But hey! They practice what they preach and are not cacophonous during service.

Well, one could practice a wrong thing he preaches, you know?

LZAA:
Yet gowon was the NORTH most senior officer and was made head of state as a result
So in other words in "one nigeria" there is a set of rules for one group and another set for others
Ok o
Cc immhotep pointzerom

Was the North synonymous to Nigeria?
Wasn't it also the North's most senior officers that were killed by Ifeajuna and co? Was Ironsi the Eastern origin overall most senior officer killed by them?

Greenback:
it beats me why some so called adult fail to realise that there aint no smoke without faya.
He keeps ranting about Igbo this,Ojukwu that,Ironsi this buh not a single word about tribalist and ethnocentric bigots,people sardauna Ahmadu Bellow whose tribal and ethnic activities,words actually gave risings for agitations in the zoo.
They sleep,dream,wake,its ipob on their dark minds. What a ppl! The west should be abolished. It shud be regarded as north south west instead cos these ppl are a taboo to the south.

You are such a shameless hypocrite and crass opportunists.
If the West is a taboo to the South, then what do we call you Easterners who sold the entire South to slavery under the same Ahmadu Bello through your stupid decision to enter into an alliance with him at independence despite the clear victory of the South in that election?
Though I am not even from the West, I strongly opine that the West is better than you shortsighted Easterners.

If not you Easterners, who on earth would prefer a political alliance with the same Bello you accuse of being the chief purveyor of tribal hatred? How is it the West's fault that you Easterners chose to hand power on a platter of gold to the same North which had slaughtered thousands of Southerners in Jos and Kano in 1945 and 1954 respectively? What were you expecting by giving raw state power to a tribe which was already killing you even when state power had not been given to them? Didn't you Easterners collude with that same Ahmadu Bello to persecute the West and indeed every other part of the South when the going was good between you?
Was it not after Ahmadu Bello openly derided and mocked you Easterners in the currently trending online video that you still decided to go into political marriage with them? So whose fault?

How many times have you ever seen the mention of Ipob in any of my posts on NL? Ipob is only trying to solve, though through a very wrong approach, the gargantuan problem created by the shortsighted greed of Zik and Ironsi.
Do you honestly think that Ipob existence would have been necessary today had Zik allowed Ahmadu Bello go away with his Arewa Republic when he so demanded in the 1954 conference? Which part of the South decided that the South should by all means tarry till the North to became ready for independence? You think it was the West? Hahaha...
Why were your political forefathers so hell bent on being with the aristocratic and feudalistic North if I may ask? And what has now suddenly changed that you are just realizing that Ahmadu Bello was bad and evil? Na now day just dey break for your side? Good morning o!
It is rather you Easterners that should be classified together with the North as EastNorth because you have dined and wined with the Caliphate more than any other Region. From Balewa-Zik alliance to Shagari-Ekweme alliance to Abacha-Daniel Kanu and Abacha-Nzeribe ABN, etc.

Hypocrites!

LZAA:
Gowon and ojukwu were mates and there were far senior officers ahead of gowon
Ojukwu asked for military seniority to be observed and for ogundipe to assume leadership
Believe me if igbos were power hungry,the civil war would have started earlier than it did

Ojukwu's insistence on seniority was irrelevant because at that moment in question the army culture of seniority had been bastardised and rendered redundant by Ironsi's and Ojukwu's refusal to court-martial the five Majors who had murdered their superior/senior officers in cold blood in the North and West. What moral grounds did Ojukwu have to preach adherence to the culture of seniority afterwards?

Greenback:
are you done with ur village square mono dance?

No, I won't be done until you and your brothers stop trying to share the blame with other tribes for the mess into which your forebears' indiscretion and self delusion with a fraudulent One-Nigeria plunged us.

Greenback:
you will do well in life to get by and leave behind past mistakes.
Now what was the time difference between the so called zik declaration and the very 1st biafran agitation that makes you think the entire east was for one bloody nigeria?

Also,how come one man,Zik,made a declaration and other regions couldnt reject!? Isnt that consent?
That aside,all regions in the south and the m.belt made mistakes in the past. The middle belt were an intergral part of the NA during the civil war but today,the war seems to be upon them from the genocidal and murderous fulanis.
Gowon has silent over the years,only calling for prayers. The reason for his silence is not far fetched,he is ashamed to voice out his grievances and pains corncerning to genocide going on in his region,in a country he fought for. He couldnt bottle it up any further and recently let out some little steam.
T. Danjuma is another example. He was silent until he also couldnt take it and called for his ppl to DEFEND THEMSELVES!
If these guys have the chance/choice today,i doubt that they would lay their lives down again for one nigeria!
Even the late Awo,if he were alive today,do you think he would smile and tap Tinubu on the back for a good job he is doing,partnering with the retrogressive north?
Isaac Adaka Boro is another example even b4 biafra.

Mistakes have been made in the past but only a hopeless man/woman dwells on and reminds everyone of mistakes. Reminding ppl of their mistakes does nobody any good. The only good thing about mistakes is that we learn from them and not crying,whinning,brooding over or reminding someone about them like you are doing.
So sorry,you have no arguement at all. All you are interested in is countering lzaa with inferior and lame facts and sweating in the arsse to continue to heap the blame for past failures and mistakes on the Igbos.
Fyi,i aint Igbo,I am Edo and some years back,retired old soldiers protested in ibadan against the fed govt over their current pitiable state. They regreted ever participating in the civil war. They were led by a retired Benin old soldier.
Lzaa pointzerom immhotep shalomc precisionfx

We won't stop dwelling in the past until your brothers stop falsely pointing accusing fingers about the past.
If the East was not initially in support of one bloody Nigeria, then why did they advise Ironsi to promulgate the Anti-Secession Decree? Recall that Ironsi's advisers were all Igbos.
As at the time Zik made the pro-one Nigeria declaration and deprecated the inclusion of secession clause in the constitution, all the British wanted as a basis for overulling any such motion was just one dissenting region which they found in the East represented by Azikiwe the East's overall leader.
In an interview he would later grant in 1975 to the press, Azikiwe confessed that he asked for and got the help of the British might to threaten the proponents of secession clause with treasonable felony if they didn't give up on it, and it worked. If you want that interview here I will gladly give you the link.
I doubt your Edoness because no Edo man blames himself or his forebears for the current ills in the land which are nothing but the long term consequences of Igbos' myopia of the past. So your claim of Edo without being asked for your tribe betrays impersonation agenda.
Your attempt to generalize the mistakes that led us to this mess is at best dishonest because in the very beginning all other tribes,except Igbos, acknowledged and admitted the unfortunate reality that Nigeria was an unsustainable fraud. To that end they moved motions, wrote books and made cases for de-amalganation or at least a structure with a very weak centre. Only Igbos reasoned otherwise despite all evidences were pointing to the contrary. So how other tribes made mistakes remains a product of your wishful imagination. For goodness sake what is the mistake in seeing naked reality and choosing to accept it? You mean Enahoro your supposed Edo brother made a mistake for being the first to propose the secession clause? Stop being clever by half.
You are not Edo and you really have no point. You are only sweating in the arse to mitigate the shame which the revelation of Azikiwe's lust for power and domination brings on you and your brothers.
What you seem to perceive as the mistakes of other tribes are the later actions they took in pursuit of self preservation when the deadly consequences of Igbos' initial shortsighted greed came calling. Self preservation is never a mistake irrespective of how much it hurts one's neighbours especially if those neighbours are responsible for the dangers which necessitated the preservation in the first instance.

Apart from the fact that all these your talks about Awolowo, Danjuma, Tinubu, Adaka Boro, etc are totally irrelevant, it betrays your actual Igboness because only Igbos are known to be fond of quickly trying to change the topic to what later happened to Isaac Boro, Awolowo, etc when confronted with how their own leaders laid the foundation for the resentment these figures developed for Igbo hence fought against them.
Ask an Igbo man why Ojukwu crushed Isaac Boro's secession attempt, and rather than answering the question what you'll hear him say is "How did Boro later end it in the hands of the HausaFulanis he fought for? He would never answer the original question you asked him. This is the usual Igbo trickish way of evading questions that touch on the hypocrisy of their past leaders, and that exactly is what you have just displayed here.
You should have known that you are not debating with a kid.
How does pre-independence and first Republic politics concern Tinubu?
How does the Federal Government's indebtedness to retired soldiers constitute Biafra nemesis to those soldiers? Did some retired federal civil servants currently being owned over 42 months pay also fight against Biafra? Now that Buhari had paid those soldiers, what do you think they'll say now? Indebtedness to retirees cut across all sectors so stop gloating over it as a Biafra nemesis. You can't be Edo because you cry too much more than the bereaved Igbos.

djon78:
Story story story. Keep on living in the past!!!

Let me say it again, if Nigeria continue with senseless, vision less and directionless leadership, it is not whether but with all assurance Nigeria will definitely go into regional government's, where each part will develop at its pace. Because the younger generation are tired of this countrys wahala.

I remember when Gaddafi, Mubrak and other despotic Arab leaders where running their country like despots, but when the younger generation became tired, then came Arab spring revolution. To the extent that even Saudi Arabia with its highly strict governance today is relinquishing power to the younger generation.
Before women rights, driving is coming on stead. The country is being run by a very young Crown prince in his 30s.

So they should keep on recycling old men who doesn't have even basic understanding of how a country runs in this modern times in this country.
But they should know that it won't last forever. An igbo adage says that if an adult is holding a thing that belongs to a child, because he is holding it above the child's height, a time is coming when hand go begin pain am, he will bring it down because hand is paining him.


One thing I like about God that made Man is that we operate as humans in generations. The generations that gripped Nigeria tight, age is catching up on them. They were revolving power among themselves. Minus Jonathan, obj, yaradua, and buhari, has been past presidents since our present democratic setting. Obj, babangida, danjuma, abdulsalam etc hand is paining them, they want a younger generation to take over in 2019. They have found out that if they don't get there act right, they may go and meet their maker with a failed Nigeria score sheet. And that is a very scary report card to go into the great beyond to meet their maker after the kind of opportunities they had right from their 30s, now they are in their 80s.

Your brothers here are the ones who always bring back the past by speaking as if Igbos are 100℅ innocent of why Nigeria failed and secession is almost impossible.
You can imagine one of them insulting the sensibilities of other tribes by saying that Igbos have been preaching that Nigeria would never work but other tribes don't listen. They speak as if they are now vindicated. This is what annoys me because history makes it clear that it is even other tribes that the current situation vindicates against Igbos.
Why can't your brothers stop acting as if their political leaders were not the originators of this dubious one-Nigeria philosophy?

VivaDeAngelo:
And where are those PDP members today? Shame on you they are in APC.
Keep displaying your ineptitude to the general public.

Are we talking of PDP legislators or the PDP presidency? Have most of those PDP members not gone back to PDP as of today?
How does the issue of defection change the fact that a PDP controlled government did all those killings of thousands of innocent Nigerians? This APC government might be inept but it has never armed and ordered soldiers to go and kill innocent civilians as repeatedly done byyour "capable" PDP government which you shamelessly defend here. How many air crashes, political assassinations, revenge genocides, etc has this 'inept' APC government recorded unlike your " capable' PDP?

PrecisionFx:
A long epistle rigged with STUPIDITY all thru.

Likely said earlier, declaration of biafra didn't cause the civil war....Keep wallowing in ur Silidity little child...

I've dropped all that is required, That's all.

And your own response was a summary rigged with sense, right?

If you really had sense you would have known that there is nothing like 'long epistle' as the expression is tautological.
Why won't I give you an epistle since you lack detailed knowledge of the events that happened?


Silly great grandfather, Your father and grand patron Nnamdi Azikiwe said it that the war was caused by the declaration of Biafra by Ojukwu.
I guess your beloved Zik is therefore the father of GRAND STUPIDITY from whom you obviously inherited in as manifested in your stupid self opinionated outbursts which are products of propaganda than the genuine facts of history.
Lazy Nigerian youth!

PrecisionFx:
"" Those who initially wanted this current structure were Igbos represented by Azikiwe and Ironsi.""

How old are u? Are u typing this trash out of ignorance or is it that u chose to be plain silly today?

How can igbos (eastern nigeria) want a unitary system of government when their region is by far the richest region in Nigeria, dwarfing the north n west economically, financially and otherwise. Don't even toe that lane, Neither Zik nor Ironsi nor my Igbo man wanted a unitary system of government.

Let me clear u now/shock u......Ironsi did not introduce a unitary system of government where 100% of the FINANCES generated by each region in Nigeria is collected by the government, From the day Ironsi took over power until the second he died, Nigeria still had 3 regions namely Eastern, Western and Northern Nigeria. Under Ironsi each region submitted 30% of their revenue to FG n kept 70% to develop their region.

It was Yakubu gowon that created states and FORECEFULLY started collecting every dime made by each region.



""If Ojukwu couldn't have flouted Ironsi's order as head of military junta, why did he flount Gowon's order not to declare secession?""

Time and again, U kids keep proving that u have a zero idea about what caused the civil war.

Of course in your stupidity infested brain cells written accounts of history are not available on Google and national archives hence your asinine assumption that only being born before an occurrence could confer accuracy of knowledge. I have never seen an opinion as silly as this.
Despite not being born before 1914 your likes blame Lord Luggard for Amalgamation. See your stupid hypocrisy at play?

If Zik didn't want unitary system, then why was he always in favour of a strong centre in the name of seeking national unity cum one-Nigeria? Why was he against secession clause and was always describing Nigeria's unity as non-negotiable? If all such posturing by Zik didn't constitute a quest for unitary system in your jaundiced opinion then you must be as deluded as your Zik who kept preaching one-Nigeria despite the preponderance of evidences to the contrary.

Of course I would not expect you to understand how Ironsi's Unification Decree translated to unitary system because it is obvious you have never thoroughly read and digested his May 24 1966 national broadcast. The man centralized the civil service in that broadcast. Elementary SS Two Government makes even a fool understand that the civil service is the only institution through which any government exercises her powers to generate revenue, embark on projects, pay salaries and carry out all other governmental functions. By centralizing the civil service in his May broadcast he effectively stripped the regions of their powers to generate their own revenues thus killings the fiscal aspect of the federalism. If not, how was he, as head of the centralized government, expecting to be able to continue paying salaries of the centralized civil service without eventually centralizing the initial revenue sources from which the regional premiers earlier derived funds to pay them?
Was he that rich to have expected to pay salaries to the centralized civil service from his own pocket?
Your insistence that Ironsi left the regions intact is the most senseless of your outbursts because in the May 24 1966 national broadcast Ironsi with his own foul mouth blame regional system for the crisis on ground and declared that the regions ceased to exist. He reinforced it by saying that "Nigeria ceases to be what is known as a federation and that the name becomes The Republic of Nigeria as against the former Federal Republic of Nigeria". He then proceeded to split the country into provinces.
How would you have known all these when you don't read?
The account you gave above as Nigeria still having 3 regions under Ironsi is a manifestation of your penchant for lies. First of all Ironsi met 4 regions and not three. They were North, West, East and Midwest. Secondly Ironsi did not dismantle the regions immediately on assumption of office. He assumed office Jan 17 1966 and appointed military governors to oversee the regions while he fine tuned his plans to finally dismantle them. Then on May 24 he came out with his Unification Decree which spelt the end of the regions and the federalism hitherto in practice.
Let me now ask you what the status of the regions became post May 24.
According to your father Azikiwe, in his own confession in a 1975 press interview, the war was caused by Ojukwu's illegal declaration of Biafra which had no approval in the constitution. The link is available if you don't mind being furnished with it. I guess Zik who witnessed the war was ignorant of what caused it.

How was the Eastern Region richer than the others? If the Eastern Region was so rich, then why was Zik not initially content with ruling it but lusted after ruling the Western Region? I don't want to even go into the question of the relative wealth of the regions for now.

However, Igbos' quest for unitary system was predicated on the obvious fact that federalism was a hindrance to the domination agenda they had always had up their sleeves.

LZAA:
U see what i'm saying
Unlike the yorubas northerners are in large numbers in the east
Again ejindu turned a discussion he had in the company of others with nzeogwu into an interview
And again lemme clear this up one last time
Apart from lagos (a former national capital) and ogun(proximity to lagos),igbos hardly go to other western places
The north even had more igbos
Military command is centralized,the govt being practised before ironsi will never have worked
Lemme give u an example
Wen isaac boro declared ND republic,if the eastern premier(military administrator) was symphathetic to his cause,he would simply have overruled ironsi's orders to capture him
This is akin to a colonel disobeying a General's orders
Nigeria is not,has not and will never be one
Anybody who thinks otherwise is only postponing the inevitable
The north are still stuck in the 60's wia the british told them to stay in nigeria and will reject restructing as it will stop that rubbish born to rule nonsense
As a result,the country will drift to its seperation
Cc immhotep pointzerom GmBuharii justiceleague1

As for the bolded, the North initially believed in Federalism and didn't want this unitary system. Those who initially wanted this current structure were Igbos represented by Azikiwe and Ironsi. Now, going by the logic in the bolded, doesn't that suggest that Igbos were guiltier of the born-to-rule philosophy?

If Ojukwu couldn't have flouted Ironsi's order as head of military junta, why did he flount Gowon's order not to declare secession? Recall Gowon too was the head of the military junta's hierarchy at that moment?

Guestlander:
I saw the lie as well. I just decided to ignore it.

Some of them are actually of the ondomie generation who hardly read up history hence I don't ignore their fallacies.

LZAA:
Its funny cuz the same decree ironsi promulgated was kept and enforced by successive military govts
Military thrives on centralised authority
They are not politicians
Oh btw many igbos(including our brothers in the mid west as it was then) called ironsi's decree silly and unnecessary
There was no outcry in the east because like it or not
1.yorubas hardly travel to other regions
2.northerners did not have the necessary qualifications to take top level civil jobs

If the assumption that the military thrives on centralized authority is a good excuse to justify Ironsi's Decrees, then why castigate the subsequent military governments for retaining Ironsi's Decrees? Or were those subsequent military governments forbidden from thriving like Ironsi's?
And why also is Gowon's administration (a military government) now being demonized for reneging on Aburi Accord which in principle was an extreme decentralization proposal?

The only Igbo/Igboid person who termed Ironsi's Decrees as silly was Nzeogwu.....in his interview with Ejindu. If Nzeogwu, a seasoned and sophisticated military officer, was of the opinion that Ironsi was silly for centralizing the authority, then it means the perception that the military only thrives in centralized authority is false.

The fact that neither Yorubas nor Northerners settle much in the East gives more credence to the fact that the silence from the East in the face of Ironsi's obnoxious decrees was entirely an Igbo thing.

LZAA:
Dont say what u don't know
Azikiwe was the only igbo who rejected secession clause cause he wanted independence quick
Many igbo officers despised ironsi and infact ironsi was to be killed in 66 but was not at his residence
No one person can claim to speak for ndigbo
Once we take a decision u will know just like we took the decision on biafra and ipob
Oh btw there were igbos that slammed azikiwe for rejecting that clause
Cc immhotep pointzerom GmBuharii justiceleague1

Was Azikiwe representing himself in the Parliament where he rejected secession proposals? How many of his fellow Igbos rose in disagreement with him right there in the Parliament?
When Ironsi promulgated his offensive centripetal decrees, there were public condemnations of it from the North, West and Midwest except in the East.

Butterflyle0:
Those killings you talk about are the handwork of PDP .

They started it by being sponsors of Boko haram and have been known to wage bloody politics.

The herdsmen issue has their signature methods all over it and that is why they are fighting ranching.

They know ranching would ensure THE REAL HERDSMEN are kept in specific monitored locations and then expose the real killers under their pay for all to see because monitored herdsmen would not be able to leave their locations to perpetrate killings and if they cannot and killings are still going on then everyone would know its not herdsmen but mercenaries.

PDP is boko haram
------- Azazi (killed for this declaration)
Former NSA under GEJ

Thank you for disillusioning that guy.
He spoke as if PDP is a Mother Theresa. The same PDP under whose watch Boko Haram and Fulani Herdsmen menace started in the first instance. The same PDP which sponsored and supervised genocides in Odi, Zakibiam and Gbaramatu, the same PDP which supervised countless plane crashes that took thousands of promising lives, the same PDP which sponsored highest profile political assassinations including that of an incumbent Minister for Justice. The same PDP killed her own member Owoye Azazi for confessing that Boko Haram was a PDP creation.
Such a shameless PDP apologist!

phase1:
What he is saying is the same commonsensical principle Biafrans have preaching for decades- 'The country is not working simply seperate let everyone go home and start afresh.' No they won't.

He has made a good point, but as yorubas who are known globally to be double-faced, can they walk the talk? I don't think so.

You mean the same Biafrans who invented the "one-Nigeria" slogan, whose overall political leader was first to describe Nigeria's unity as non-negotiable and pledged to pay the ultimate price for the eternal sustenance of the British marriage...... The same Biafrans who crushed Isaac Adaka Boro's secession bid, the same Biafrans who once promulgated Anti-Secession Decree, etc?
Please be honest at least for once because you are not talking to fools and ignoramuses.

Sprumbabafather:
The solution was neglected because it was the Igbos that suggested it.

When it was first ever suggested prior to independence, it was Igbos that rejected it and called the proponents unprintable names.

kaen1317:
and the politician is given a title for robbing and killing us all

That does not justify armed robbery or make it less evil than pen robbery.
The difference between the armed robber and the politician is that we (including the armed robber) are all victims of the politician's robbery, the armed robber robs his fellow citizens who are suffering as himself or have even suffered more than him courtesy of the politician's robbery.

oooduancalmdown:
Guy Na your pocket make you put that story. When Nigeria is to split, you are your Edo brothers can form one Nigeria with the north. Okey?

Edos were a great kingdom before the British came to force them into Nigeria hence Edos don't believe in this Azikiwe's fraud called 'One-Nigeria''.
The guy you are interacting with above is just an exception which every tribe has her fair share of.

oooduancalmdown:
The same way they refused Ijaws from declaring Niger Delta republic, only for them to remember they want out six months later. They even included Ijaws in Biafra without their consent.
Walahi, Ibos are greedy. This is why I want them to get their Biafra

The same Ojukwu who later declared secession was the one who crushed Isaac Adaka Boro's secession attempt just 15 months before his brother Ironsi was disgraced out of power and killed by the very HausaFulanis whom Igbos had through Zik chosen to be slaves to. Immediately after frustrating Isaac Boro's secession bid, Ojukwu assisted his brother Ironsi in promulgating the wicked and self serving Anti-Secession Decree which made the mere verbal mention of secession treasonable and punishable with death by hanging. While they did all that Igbos cheered them up because they saw the decree as a shortcut to the realization of their long hoped domination agenda. But as soon as Ironsi got kicked out of power Ojukwu and Igbos could no longer obey their own very Anti-Secession Decree thus asking for Biafra.
Crass opportunists and shameless turncoats!

oooduancalmdown:
So an Edo man was the first proponent of secession? If only they had listened.
That guy you quoted is one of the problems we have in the South. They always make Ibos feel important with their unity begging.
Anyways, I don't see how Edo people won't benefit from Nigeria's disintegration. Edos, Itsekiri, Urhobo, and Isoko can form one country that will have equality and respect for each other. The constitution should be written without tribe left out. Not like Nigeria where everyone intention is to dominate, and other tribes complain of being marginalized.

When Enahoro proposed the secession clause Azikiwe and his his fellow Igbo political elite derided, mocked, labelled him an agent of disunity and accused him of nursing a sectionalist agenda whereas the man was just sincerely trying to forestall the obvious impending further bloodshed of the Igbos themselves going by how they had already been massacred in Jos and Kano few years before then.
They initially didn't want to hear anything about secession because they felt Nigeria was theirs to dominate.