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Please could someone from the City of Benin in the jungle called Nigeria inform the impostor in Benin that the “Oba” who had such power to proclaim any form of ban in the City of Benin was disposed at the tale end of nineteenth century?

The authority to ban anything within the confines of Benin City does not rest with Oba of Benin but with the city council or the local government. Why is the Oba making fool of him self by issuing a ban he has no authority to enforce?

@texazzpete


I had wanted you to continue your Igbo bashing in a peaked form rather than the slight jab about Igbo Language being a non-national language. Please may the final arbiter on national language of the jungle called Nigeria furnish the forum with the national languages?

It amazes me the extent the blind dislike for group of people drives certain individual to the apogee of defamatory idiosyncrasy.

Mai Suya:
It wasn't enlarged, it was 'emboldened'. An erudite scholar like you should know that basic difference, not so?

Thanks for the attention. In fact, I had written it as you stipulated but changed the construct as to add a little humor to it.

NoFearNYC:
Actually, that is the beauty of forums like this. We are saying the same thing, in a round about way, give or take a few differences. You, obviously, would rather it were done at home and not in public, which is where I disagree.

I believe in respecting elders, just not blindly. If an elder doesn't respect themselves, then I don't want my kids to get mixed messages, by having to kneel before said elder. In my opinion, I would seem kinda psycho, to tell my kids to say no to drugs and then have them kneel before a 50yr old crack dealer. Or teach my son to respect females, yet he has to prostrate before the known wife beater in the family. That's all I'm saying, each family usually has their own set of rules and values. You are entitled to yours, I am entitled to mine. I just don't subscribe to hypocrisy. When I speak about culture and values, I'm usually looking at it with our kids and youth in mind.

As far as pointing four fingers at one self, if that's the case, then what's so wrong with some self-examination? Without introspection, which can be very humbling, we don't grow. My ego is not that big or fragile, as to assume there is no room for improvement. You've pretty much stated the same thing, so we agree on that. The difference, again, being, should we do it publicly or privately? I think that's a personal choice.

I appreciate the culture and tradition of my people, I just don't have to agree with, or apply each and every one to my life. Again - a personal choice.

As far as taking a chill pill goes, none needed here. I've always believed there's nothing wrong with a good debate, we can agree to disagree. Those, who use words like[i] irresponsible dullard blinded to irredeemable stupidity[/i], would seem more in need of a chill pill, or at the very least, some honest introspection.

Again, we are all entitled to our opinions, so I respect yours, my brother, I just won't apply them to my life.

Appreciate the debate and have a great weekend!

I think, and according to my forbears, culture and tradition are paramount. I could not hold myself to the pedestal novelty where people’s way of life should be subjected to the fancy of pick and choose. It is a fact that if personal choices are prevailing modalities in any cultural society, there would have been no culture at all. Whether denigration of one's culture and tradition is done in public or private domain, such act amounts to self-pity.

It is rather unfortunate that fundamental and inventive genius among our people have been scarified on the altar of the so-called western civilization by the indigenous elements such as you who thought growth is achieved by thrashing one’s culture.

The allusion of the wife-beating, crack dealing, respecting of female and saying no to drug are rather fan-fare of misplaced priorities than culture. My culture has indoctrinated every living soul and inculcated a measure of discipline among the people of my society that a wife should not precipitate what would attract a beating from the husband, the female among us should conduct themselves in a feminine posture as to draw respect, same goes to male and taking of drugs, except prescribed by a doctor, is not an option to our kids.

I am afraid that your gravitation towards personal preferences within a culture is what gave rise to social decadence.

biina:
Hope u r not yet forty.

You are a living example of the statement you have enlarged. Nairaland has scored another milestone.

A visitor does not break the kola presented to the visitor, hence, Oji Eze gha naka Eze.

A woman does neither break, present nor shown a kola regardless of the woman’s status in the community.

The Breaking of Kola falls in hand of the eldest person unless so delegated that younger men break kola. Sometime the delegation of kola breaking is given to a young man to test the young man’s knowledge of tradition. The so-called Igbo kola has certain significances towards the manner or number of lobes it has. Depending on the number of lobes, not everybody present would eat the kola, hence, demand for another kola to be presented.

NoFearNYC:
People are merely stating what they personally don't like. What's so wrong with that?
Are you suggesting that such discussions should only be held in private?

I was under the impression that we were created with brains, so we could use them. Blindly accepting any culture never leads to any kind of growth. There are positive and negative aspects of all cultures(African or Western) and these will vary depending on whom you ask. The good thing about threads like this, is that it makes us think - I guess that's so not part of Nigerian culture. I beg to differ, many great Nigerians have had questioning minds.

I do agree with you, that some Africans seem to think other cultures are superior to theirs, but I don't think that's what is going on here. It is just a discussion - some people have even learned things about other Nigerian cultures. Isn't that a good thing? It's funny how we tend to only see what we want to see and not what's actually there.

I prefer to take the positive aspects from my culture(and any others I might be exposed to), discard the negative(which is a personal thing), while maintaining my Nigerianness and my individuality.


The only thing is life that doesn't change, is change itself!

What need is of the brain when we can not respect our elders irrespective of the elder’s social strata in the community? Please spare me the crap about being created with brain.

There was a culture that made it possible that you were born by bounding your forebears to live together as man and woman. I hope you would not expect any form of respect from nobody because respect they say begets respects.

I am well off with culture of my people and very impressed that the areas that needed moderations have been addressed and will continue to be tweaked. 

Please be informed that when person is pointing a finger at another person, the pointer is invariably pointing the remaining of the four fingers at him or herself.

You are the living example of the culture and tradition of your people, if you do not appreciate them, I suggest a chill pill.

I honestly labor to fathom the reasons behind the initial frowning and unwarranted spontaneous responses from certain dolls when subject of ethnic bias is visited in Nigeria.

Believe you me, any so-called Nigerian who failed to view the colonial contraption called Nigeria through the prism of ethnicity is either a latent idiot or irresponsible sinner. All the governmental procedures in the jungle, whether they are deliberated in good or bad faiths, are done through the dictates of ethnicity.

From the idiotic federal character, rotational presidency, quota system, governors of the respective states, foods, languages spoken and even to the sex life are tribal. Yet some of the demented impostors on this forum would want us to believe otherwise. The underlying truth of this awkward institutionalization of ethnic bias in Nigeria is geared towards a particular group.

Even the simple geographical references in the jungle were tinted with ethnic bias and incredible lack of shame. Anybody who had a fifth grade geography lesson should realize that there is nothing such as "south-south" and melancholic saga of the "Niger Delta".

Today Niger-Delta is in vogue and tends to include areas that could easily pass as mountain terrains. Places that have absolutely nothing to do with the delta formed by Benue, Niger, Imo, Anambra, Urasi and Utamiri Rivers are branded “Niger Delta”. Even communities that found deep in Escravos and forcados deltas are branded “Niger delta” due to the dirty Nigerian politics mainly fueled by ethnic bias and crude oil. Nigeria is so ethnically engrossed that foreign language is the official medium of expression. Yet few clowns wanted to twist out of human form because a fellow who is pure in heart decided to revisit the ethnic bias as seen in the jungle.

Many people say that a fool at forty is a fool forever.

Anybody who posted in support of castigating his or her culture is an irresponsible dullard blinded to irredeemable stupidity. Among the reasons Africans are disdained all over the universe is the inherent dislike of their fundamental form of behaviors that are even superior to alien cultures they embrace. My people say that a rejected person should not also reject oneself.

Granted that there are aspects of our culture that needed moderations does not embolden us to thrash our culture in public. My people say that any child that called his or her mother ugly invariably called his or her father stupid and declared him or herself a dunce. 

Most of the societal decadence that has fallen on us today is as a result of our shift from the dictates of our respective cultures.

jabbok:
The time 4 secession has come and gone bro!. The Igbos are in Nigeria 2 stay. Learn 2 live with that fear. Those that are clamouring for secession do not represent the mainstream igbos. They are just a bunch of opportunists.

http://ogeneike..com/

The article in the link you cited is mixed bag and probably written by a fellow who would cutoff the nose because he or she despites his or her face.  

For example, he wanted the people that pray for secession to provide the blue print of the country they had in mind. It is only in his or her delusional world that people had a blueprint of a country they had sought to create.

It amounts to display of asinine if the writer failed to discern the motive behind boundary adjustment and draconian ceding of the crude oil production areas of Igboland to their neighbors. I hope the hack writer understood what it meant to declare people’s property as abounded in their country. What a slowpoke bidding for whomever that rocks his or her fancy?

One wonders aloud why the holier than thou son or daughter of a bitch did not ask why would the federal government of Nigeria continued to use demographic figures cooked by twisted minded Britons since 1959 to allocate resources in Nigeria.

Has the writer looked into the issue such as paying teacher’s salaries and providing infrastructure for education alone? If one state alone in the south-east could boast of the 58, 000 students taking JAMB while the entire northern region can not eke out 14,000 students, the writer of this skewed write-up needs to bury his or her head in the sand. Could there be a better indicator of population growth than school leavers?

@Poster


It is either that many so-called Nigerians are so forgetful of recorded events or they chose to remain ignorance. However, I urge you to please disabuse yourself of prejudice and you would find the answers to your question.

For a starter, Nigerian problems are rooted in the flagrant display of nepotism, sectionalism, favoritism, introduction of religion to politics by the Tafawa Belawa’s government.

It was followed by the usurpation of power and disregard for seniority and military parlance by Gowon and ranks and files from northern region of Nigeria. This action has bankrolled wanton tendencies for indiscipline among the so-called Nigerians.

Following closely to the above facts where the spotty but visionless leadership of the Yoruba and the entire minority ethnic groups of southern Nigeria that ganged up with northern Nigerian leadership to fight Ndigbo, Ibibio, Ogoni, Annang, Kalabari and the few Ijo of Rivers State. As a result of the war, so-called Nigerians have lost their sense decency, unity and the need to cater for a fellow Nigerian.

The finest solution remains that the colonial contraption called Nigeria must cease to exist. Too many people are afraid of what will follow if the jungle called Nigeria would gravitate towards disintegration. Anybody who is harboring fear of unforeseen circumstances that could blow through the deconstruction of Nigeria should not be blamed because the future does not have a window but again the test of the pudding is in the eating.

Before money became the medium for exchange of goods and services, people acquired skills through their relatives. The skills helped them produce goods used in exchange of other goods and services. Even then, strength was might. However civilization, as we know it today, reared its ugly head and almost all human biddings gravitated towards money.

Without any form of money reserve, absolutely there will be no formal education. If money or purchasing power is drained to a bare born among families today, life will be in danger talk less of education. The only education existed without source of money is the form that flows from parents to child.

I am amazed that many cross-sections of Nigerians are superficial thinkers. It is even insane or moronic to discuss money and education in a comparative analysis.

nues aweso:
I still hate Ojukwu anyway for killing millions of Igbos during the war

This is an embodiment of drunkenness and madness trailed by an abused simpleton.

Please my people carefulness must be of essence when dulling out praises and patting on the back of the Yoruba extractions with regard to standing up against the war perpetrated on Biafra by Gowon and Nigeria.

Except for the likes of Wole Soyinka, Lt. Col. Ayo Ariyo and Ijebu Ode peasant farmers, many Yoruba people were happy joining Nigerian army in thousands and the ranks and files among them could not wait to prove that they are capable of commanding platoon or battalion.

The dude named Fela Ransom-kuti was in London trying to eke out bread in music while Tai Solarin was busy chasing a position as federal commissioner. Gani was trying to survive as a lawyer. These three folks never sided with Biafra or made any attempt to castigate the leadership of Nigeria during the war.

@ Interview

Sometimes the action of certain individuals pants a clear picture of the prevailing socio-politico-economic arrangement in a given society. It amazes me when I hear few misguided cross-section of southern Nigerians lament on how the northern Nigerian elites have turned Nigerian into a hopeless entity.

The northern Nigerians would not have accomplished the complete takeover of Nigeria without the help of southern Nigerians such as David Ejoor. Among those who were on the paid list of northern Nigerian oligarchy bent on usurping and ruining the colonial contraption were David Ejoor, S L Akintola, Adaka Boro, Adm. A Wey, Brig. S. Ademulugun, Edwin Clarke and Chief Fani-Kayode to mention but a few.

I am not surprised the David Ejoor would go to any length to defend the war his masters instigated against Biafra. It was not long ago that Judas in Ejoor lamented that northern Nigerians have usurped both economic and political leadership of the jungle called Nigeria. And yet, the prejudice he has fermented for Ndigbo still pushes the deluded rat to spew unfounded indictments against the Ndigbo. Sorry pal, you will die a second fiddle.


@ Sleek_p

It is very embarrassing to read your post on this discourse judging what your signature seemed to signify. The questions you raised and the deductions you gave to issues being discussed suggested that either you are as dumb as drunken rat or you are irredeemably ignorance of military parlance and dastardly prejudicial towards Ndigbo.

Please do pose a question of why have successful and unsuccessful coups in Nigeria following the July 29, 1966 have been led or dominated by northern Nigerian military officers. In addition, why have these coups failed to engender ethnic reprisals that met coup of January 15, 1966. By the time you have finished rummaging with the subject matter, you would realize that a coup is military issue and what happened after January 15, 1966 was a carefully planned political manifesto that had sprouted into northern Nigerians dominance of the affairs in today’s cesspit called Nigeria.

The posted interview that has been accredited to one David Ejoor is an embodiment of delusion. In fact, it is a ranting of a deluded ant.

Babatunde Fashola can only win Lagos State and one or two other states in western Nigeria if he has to stand for presidential election today. The dude will loose his application deposit if he intends to run even against Yar adua. Fashols’s political posturing in the moment is not a presidential type at all. All his political action in Lagos State is targeted against business owned by Ndigbo and non-indigenes of Yoruba land. Every governmental action taken by the Lagos State government had been tribally motivated. He is not batter than a peacock while playing out his political naiveté as Lagos State governor.

As a seasoned soldier, the antics of Brigadier Ogundipe and many other rank and file of Yoruba stock in Nigeria army were not only display of cowardice but lack of vision. If the political actions of Yoruba and the ethnic minorities of southern Nigerian baring the Ibibio, Atama, Annang, Ogoni, Kalabari and Ijo of Bayelsa State were tactical, than it manifested into today’s Nigeria, a complete cesspit. I think the Yoruba sold out for the development of Lagos and few economic leftovers while the ethnic minorities go stadia for their bidding.

@farotika

If anybody should be given a trophy for exhibiting crass ignorance over Chief Sunny Okogwu’s melancholic interview, I guess you are certainly the frontrunner. Talking of flogging, you really needed to be laid out.

There is no smoke with fire. So the high decibels of your noise can not change the history of Nigeria which instigated that most families in Ogun State as well as Lagos State were settlers who arrived from Sierra Leon as freed slaves. Most of these families, without doubts, became very prominent when certain portion of Africa was declared independent state of Nigeria. Indulge yourself with figuring it out. 

I can not stoop to your level of advancement which has been checkered with flawed sense of idiocy. Please pal, I urge you to get educated instead of mouthing off like a deranged zebra. 



From Farotika on March 24, 2009 by 12:31PM

[/quote]I think ignorance should be beaten out of you and your sorry "Sony" for claiming to know what u don’t have knowledge of. I wonder how this so-called chief will interpret his name 'Sunny Odogwu',  Maybe "Sunny" means he comes from the Sun or Odo-gwu" could mean that he's a product of "odo" i.e. 'pestle and mortar'.

Mind you, both Soyinka and Obasanjo have deep Yoruba meaning. So, the man should ask question not make useless comments.[quote]

9jaganja:
Here we go again. But for now, the Igbos still get revenue allocations that are funded by the Niger Delta take it or leave it. Ogoni people are not Igbo, Itsekiri people are not Igbo, Ijaw people are not Igbo, Ikweres might be Igbo but hey Urhobo people are not Igbo. The fact that there are Igbo in part of Delta doesn't mean all of Delta is Igbo land. Efik are not Igbo. We get oil from these people and please appreciate the revenue they have created for Nigeria including the Igbo people. Your saying that you don't want Oil revenue gotten from Igboland to be used to develop Abuja and Lagos is simply low on intellectual capabilty. But Oil gotten from other Lands has been used for budget funding in Igbo land. I'm enjoying your Vocab though keep calling me those words, they ain't stick and stones.

I think there is a comprehension issue here or lack thereof. I am of the view that Ndigbo do not give rat-ass about crude oil produced in ethnic domains you have you enumerated. I insist that if left alone with revenue generated by crude oil wells in Abia, Anambra and Imo States, the entire Igboland would have seen more economic progress than what is obtained presently. Again, Igboland does not need revenue from any ethnic group to survive rather Ndigbo had contributed immensely to revenue that supports cesspit called Nigeria to the detriment of Ndigbo.

9jaganja:
It has turned to tribal shit again. We are soo funny, hateful and lovely too.

But Niger Delta has been funding 80% of the budget of Nigeria which Igbo people also enjoy. Let them start drilling jare!!

I suggest this nincompoop gets his/her facts corrected. The so-called Niger Delta is an idiotic misnomer. If you were you refereeing to Benue-Imo-Niger-Orashi delta, we may talk about figures other than that, I have concluded you are a fool.

By the way, the people of Igbo stock have never depended on the crude oil for survival and would not the turn corner now. Besides, the crude oil revenue that is sourced from Abia, Imo and Anambra is enough to see entire Igboland to a considerable and booming progress.

This is typical Nigerian approach to all and every issue where they tend to dive into discourse without weighing their options properly. Without much fanfare, I deduced that those contributors that had called Sunny Odogwu names are bunch of idiots and overfed simpletons.

Where is the modesty expected from an average intelligent fellow and for allowing benefit of doubts? If you have never had a prior knowledge of Nigerian secret documents or walked the corridor of power in Nigeria like Sunny Odogwu did, I urge you to tread with considerable amount of caution.

As for the noble prize carp, it does not mean a thing to me because it a colonial leach. If anybody deserves noble crap, I think of Achebe but it may not happen because of “Things Fall Apart”. However, I still like Wole Soyinka, Nigerian or not.

I detest all these current waves of crude oil discoveries in Imo State. Look pal, last thing I would want to see today is crude oil resources from Igboland used to develop places like Lagos or Abuja.

I would really want the crude oil exploration to stop henceforth in Igboland. As people, we do not need the crude oil resources to survive and would not want the disasters that follow crude oil operations.

We have driven Shell D’arcy out Owerri during pre-Independence Nigeria and it pains me to feel slight insinuation that Ndigbo are happy about this current development in crude oil exploration in Nigeria.

[quote author=*comfort link=topic=148690.msg3632177#msg3632177 date=1237820449]one of the massacre carried out by biafran troops.when the atrocities committed by the Biafran troops were pointed out, they go ahead and deny the claims just like the people they were cursing out earlier,  hmmmmmm,. [/quote]It will be an under statement to identify you as an entity of imbecility. You are either occupying your silly self with skewed articles or decimating blatant falsehood. When people with gray matters above their shoulders write about the atrocities committed by Nigerian vandals, the name of commander, the unit that committed atrocities and place where the massacre was committed were furnished. This indulgence amounts to literally dexterity on the part Biafrans, However, this piece of human quality could not mention in the sentence with Nigeria.

Nigerian government stood up the huge propaganda machine that fed its populace with deceits and unfounded lies about civil war that resulted in producing the largest ignorant society about an issue since the invention of bread.

These entire blabbing imbeciles should have concern themselves on providing answers to certain issue such as were massacred innocent Igbo people in then northern region of Nigeria part of Nigerian army?

Did the succession of Head of States follow the military parlance of Nigeria army during missing of C-in-C in July, 1966?

When did the declaration sovereign nation amount to war? In the wildest of you imaginary stupor, could any single region in Nigeria take on Biafra in military contest and survive to tell tales about the battles?

Nigeria is cesspit today and devoid of any meaningful progress due to the expressed cowardice of your forebears. If your forebears were men enough to stand up against tyranny like Ojukwu did, Nigeria would have been a wonderful place today. It would be a domain were equity reigns and freedom runs amok. Yet the malfeasants have the audacious liberty to insult a man who warned about erosion of discipline in Nigerian army as far back as1966.

All these Africans that are drunk on Obama issue must make themselves available for further education. There is nothing like acquiring knowledge no matter the degree of its obscurity.

Like Obama who has been wrongly floated as first African-American president of USA, George Washington has also been regarded as the first president of USA. Those of you who seemed miffed about this true revelation of these facts must be loaded on skewed sentiments.

@ Poster

Before we could begin to proffer blames, answers and reasons to the questions and the culpable indictments generated by Nigeria-Biafra civil war, I plead with the poster to purge him/her self of all forms of bias and first gets the facts corrected so that a mundane intellectual atmosphere could reign.

@ Ibime

For umpteenth times, Niger Delta is recent political ghost manufactured by the detractors of Eastern Region of Nigeria. Before and during the civil war, there is nothing such as Niger Delta as it is known today. The detractors who coined and gave you the phrase, Niger Delta, are laughing themselves to stupidity because they knew that they can change it any given day.

Have you posed questioned is Benue-Orashi-Imo-Niger delta the only delta in the south coastal area of Nigeria. What happened to delta such Warri-Burutu-Forcados-Benin-Escravos delta? What of Qua Ibo-Cross river delta? If you failed to constitute your political base properly through naming convention, there is no serious-minded person that will take you for real. All the present Niger Delta craps are fools play.

What a disgusting excuse from doltish leaders of colonial contraption called Nigeria? Nigeria is a qualified cesspit.
USA is almost power sufficient country yet it has not stopped the people of USA from embarking on brisk business of manufacturing generators of all shape and sizes.

I could not believe that people are still clutching straw with issue of the backwater farmer’s study of farm animal as to normalize homosexuality. Granted that animal would not react to all deviant behaviors of a fellow animal does not retard the fact that human beings do.

In my father’s compound, stood a Mango tree that has become a nesting anchor to Weaver birds. Sometimes I spent 30 minutes to 60 minutes watching the activities of the birds. Believe it or not, most of these birds are born robbers.

Many hardworking birds would fly miles to fetch weaving materials for their nest while few deviants would wait to steal weaving materials from other in plain view of hustling birds.

There was no punishment handed to the stealing birds. Since the community of weaver birds do not punish social deviants like ones that stole from others bird, would human beings stop punishing social deviants such as robber?

People need to get over it that societies have various ways to deal with social deviants.