₦airaland Forum

GloriousGbola:
says the man who brought mend militants into aso rock in the aftermath of the october 1 bombings
the man who legalized and normalized paying militants protection money pipeline contracts

Looks like you have a strong dislike for that man.

I cant understand why given the overall quality of leadership in this country, especially what followed him.

I mean, I get his being weak, but what is the truth on two simple things since he left - security and economy - which has improved in 11 years since his departure? Not even the general was effective on security as everyone thought and he was also a sore disappointment on kwarapshin.

I mean I know your opinion already but you kinda make out like he was the worst thing we've ever known.

Dtruthspeaker:
See how America controls your head. Where have you seen a lawyer Niger who is not a family lawyer/business lawyer/political lawyer/accident lawyer etc.?

Lawyers have areas of specialization too, okay? If you are not one, please SHATTAP!
Besides you obviously missed the word "practicing." Or dont know the meaning.

Onegai:
Who?

I plagiarized nothing

Nigerians don't know the law and don't read their constitution, all this is even online or go to any High Court.

I said the bold. Look again.

The only good lesson to be learnt from this man is strategic patience and timing.

Onegai:
Brother, Nigeria's laws are online please go and check.

Customary court (Traditional Wedding dissolution) is not High Court (Registry Wedding dissolution).

A lot of Nigerians are doing higi-haga and faking certificate of divorce, they are always caught eventually.

If I am wrong, being evidence and I and 2 lawyers here will offer you N20k each, if not you pay us N20k each. Deal?

Folake4u

(Who is another learned silk here 🤔)

Why are you plagiarizing the bold from Obahiagbon.

basilico:
You can't industrialize without reliable ,cheap and abundant energy. The market is there. There are no excuses whatsoever to company executive in the private sector making losses when their product can't meet demand.
Govt should facilitate industrial development by availing a favourable business climate and steering off non essential sectors.

Take a massive housing construction boom. Target a million homes a year, use local materials. Force manufacturers to build everything from nuts,bolts, gauge wire, plugs,taps ,pegs , nails etc locally..This should be a years long development goal then finally move in to construction.
That was just one example of an idea that would encourage industrialization.
Develop a parallel competitive financial sector in the process.

Good thoughts.

basilico:
Those historical factors are a fact as you have eloquently elucidated them.
They are in the past,we are in the present.
You have covered the past. Now explain why we are not moving forward, Why don't we have government forecasting population growth 10 years ahead and scaling up water reservoirs, electrical generation, transport infrastructure, 4G connectivity etc ahead of time. We have a fully functional National Bureau of Statistics. Bequeathed to us by our colonial masters.

Progress is being made albeit slowly and painfully and in a scattered and disjointed manner. In some sectors there is stagnation and regression but overall the trajectory still is forward. There is a lot to be done and improved on, we need to get our ideology and politics right as a starter as so much depends on right leadership.

On a practical note, if anyone asks me, I will say the key to the future is aggressive industrialization.

On a dreamy and idealist note, I will like to see Africa unite. A United States of Africa was a dream of several independence pan-Africanists such as Kwame Nkrumah, Julius Nyerere, Robert Mugabe and Nnamdi Azikiwe and even became a dream of Ghadaffi.

If we are able to achieve it, and I concede it looks very unlikely - men, that is the single thing that will bring Africa to the table with real weight.

bemeruca:
How does it explain Nigeria's situation?

I can't start from the beginning. If you didn't get, forget it.

Or try reading more carefully and more thoughtfully next time. Because if you did, you wouldn't have been shouting "excuses" up and down, only to come back and say that every single one matters.

bemeruca:
call it explanation if you like. But once it is used to shift blame away from present responsibility, it becomes an excuse.

All the people brushing you on this would not have gone back and forth with you if you were just giving explanation.

Good morning.
I woke up with not electricity today. We are still waiting for the stable electricity.

Not my fault that the so called people are too dim to read and understand.

You are told with patience and at length why something happens and all you can do is shout "excuses!"

Only to return and admit that the so called excuses "matter."

Your words exactly. I am quoting you verbatim with both words above.

bemeruca:
call it explanation if you like. But once it is used to shift blame away from present responsibility, it becomes an excuse.

All the people brushing you on this would not have gone back and forth with you if you were just giving explanation.

Good morning.
I woke up with not electricity today. We are still waiting for the stable electricity.

And oh. Corruption remains a global phenomenon.

And oh. Sango awaits.

bemeruca:
If none of those things removes the responsibility of our leaders, then you have conceded my main point. How about that?

My argument has always been that colonialism, history, climate, geography, and education cannot be used to excuse present-day corruption, bad governance, looting, tribalism, and failure after decades of self-rule. For simplicity, they are not a factor today. It only explain our starting point.

You can call them that all you want. But if they do not remove responsibility, then they are not an explanation for why Emefiele stole, or why basic infrastructure cannot be maintained 60 years after independence.

That is my point and consistently so.

A factor may exist in history, but responsibility belongs to the people making decisions today.

No matter how much you want to insist on climate and history, it does not excuse our situation today.

No one was ever making excuses. Explanations were being offered and you have conceded to them.

And oh. Corruption remains a global phenomenon.

Good morning.

bemeruca:
From everything I have written, my point is the same.

Colonialism does not explain why Emefiele stole billions.

History does not explain why modern Tinubu cannot maintain infrastructure, provide electricity as he promised, secure lives, or stop looting public funds.

If you claim colonialism is still a factor today, then you must also admit it had some developmental effects too. roads, railways, schools, courts, civil service structures, common language, and modern administration.

Double edge sword?

So no, I am not changing my argument. Colonialism may be part of history, but it is not an excuse for present-day greed, corruption, bad governance, and failure.

This is my point.

ALL of those things which you dismissed previously are and remain factors. Simple. And you have now admitted that, so you have ceded the debate.

And I have had to say it ad infinitum ad nauseum that none of that takes away the responsibility of leaders or means there aren't failings we need to correct. That's standard and human.

Now answer me in the name of Sango and on pain of being blasted by a fire from all Native deities: do you use AI to compose arguments?

bemeruca:
You are the one lying and mischaracterizing what I said.

Maybe either you don’t understand English, or you are deliberately rewriting my point so you can argue with something easier.

This is what I said:


So why are you pretending I claimed an adult human being can live without ever making a selfish decision?

Why do you lie so much?
This is why Tctrills and TV01 are also tired of you.

Oh, I admit I missed that. I did not see the "not."

But none of you have any smarts at all oh. So forget mentioning those people in proof of anything to me. . .

The bigger point is this, overall you are being terribly dishonest and trying to change everything you have argued here.

You and those same laughable fellows have variously spent pages dismissing the relevance of history, colonialism, climate, geography and even education, only for you to now turn up and concede that all those things matter and sneakily try to make it appear as though you always said that they did but were merely saying we are also responsible.

That is false. You outrightly and strenuously threw away those factors and even mocked me for mentioning them. And if your argument was what you are now claiming, we would never have had an argument.

Or do you want to deny laughing off all the history I have pointed out? Do you want to deny laughing off the relevance of climate? Do you want to deny laughing off the impact of colonialism? And geography? Do you want to deny even trying to play down the relevance of education? Do you want to deny completely rejecting the role of racism?

So how come you suddenly now admit that all these factors matter?

So quit the dishonesty at once. You have ceded the debate. Simple.

bemeruca:
You cannot prove a negative. What are you on about. Goodlawd

You are doing too much emotiona rewriting here.

So what exactly is scientifically impossible?

That education can exist and people still choose corruption?
That educated people can still be greedy?
That educated people can still be tribalistic, racist, selfish, or dishonest?

That is not scientifically impossible. That is being human.

I do not worship Trump. I can criticize Trump on many things. I have criticized Trump. He was not even my choice for the 2024 presidency, it was DeSantis.

But this conversation is not about Trump. You keep dragging Trump in because you want to avoid the internal failures being discussed. Can you go a minute without deflecting to Trump?

What do you mean by white community, whatever your explanation of that is, I have multiple times. From LGBT, to Karens.

Ther is a difference between saying history matters and saying history removes responsibility.

There is a difference between saying colonialism had effects and saying African leaders, culture, corruption, tribalism, greed, and bad governance are not major reasons for failure today.

Your problem is not that I deny every factor you mention.

Your problem is that I refuse to let you use those factors as excuses to avoid the failures inside our own societies.

It is scientifically impossible for an adult human being never to have made a selfish decision in his life.
The rest - not interested. You lie too much and you are going back on things you already vociferously argued.

IjeBos:
Definitely AI.

I won't give it away but go over some of the posts and you can tell the structure of the arguments of the AI are similar and remarkably different the posts he doesn't use AI to write.
Also, the grammar is noticeable cleaner, more complex and without a lot of errors.

Exactly what I noticed.

IjeBos:
AI wrote the post (the argument style is similar in all the posts AI writes for him), it sounded good(educated) to him but he didn't fully understand it.
AI is a good tool, but you can't let it do the work for you.

Perhaps that explains it.
I must confess I have noticed some strangeness in some of his posts, like it was a different person

cococandy:
Are you seeing what I’m seeing? All of a sudden the things he calls excuses now matter?

Now history and colonialism matters? It hasn’t even been two pages back when he literally said they were excuses.

I can’t with them. It’s exhausting

I could not believe what I was reading!

bemeruca:
Am not claiming to be morally perfect. Nobody is.

The point is not that I personally have never made a selfish decision.

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This is scientifically impossible. It is also a signal of lack of intelligence that you can claim this.

Supporting a politician or political party does not mean endorsing every bad thing done by that politician or party.
If Trump, Biden, Tinubu, Buhari, Obama, or anyone else acts corruptly, criticize it. I have no wahala with that

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Name one thing you have criticized Trump over. A serious thing.
.

If people can criticize white racism, Trump supporters, colonialism, slavery, capitalism, or British history, then they should also be able to criticize black communities, African leaders, tribalism, corruption, fatherlessness, crime, or bad culture without being accused of hatred.

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Name one criticism you have ever levelled at any white communities/ societies.

My point is still that education matters, history matters, racism matters, colonialism matters, institutions matter.

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Retract this hideous lie immediately. You have been here shouting about how these things do not matter or even do not exist. You have laughed off history, you have played down the relevance of education, you have denied every allegation of the existence of any racism at all, you have denied that colonialism has had any role to play.

Stop trying to change the script, this is hideous dishonesty.

SpaceX:
A more recent poll of yesterday have over 80% of Americans in support of dismantling iran nuclear capability.

You should know that's not the same question.

Onegai:
Please calm down, can I send you information via email?

And offer counseling

Let us step back from the cliff.

Because Divorce is wonderful for lawyers looking for rent money.

2 years mandatory separation, if you want to file before then it will cost more.

N1million-N6million to file (yes, I am not joking, especially if you're in Lagos or Abuja). You will pay for extra like printing and any other documents lawyer needs.

File in High Court, she will be served a month later and your first court date will be 4 to 6 months after, just for Mentioning. After that, another month or 2 for Conference (you and your wife will go before the Judge, no lawyers allowed to speak and mediate).

Then another month or 2 after for your trial. Courts are backed up, so unless she files Uncontested, expect to spend 3 years on this matter, some people that got caught during Covid spent 10 years. Even with no kids, you fit spend 2 years if clerks go on strike and since na high court, I dunno how backed up it will be with election tribunals next year (Political Aspirants pay more so their cases will be heard faster than your inconsequential marital issues, sorry )

Are you fighting for custody? Add an additional year plus you'll pay extra for Child Welfare Officers for the mandatory house and school visit.

If you start dating, she can sue you for Adultery and sue your side chic for alienation. Upto N10million, another court case.

Court cases are open, so everyone in court that day (bloggers, other petitioners and anyone who just feels like attending) will be listening to you and her air your very dirty laundry in public. They can write about it too, mentioning your name. Not a crime.

Still interested? There's more o...


Oya please drink water, let's talk

Well over 50% of marriages are salvageable and in 5 years time you'll probably feel different.

But if we work on it now, and you give yourself to this process, in 5 years time, I pray I never see you again

Please, let's talk

Are you a lawyer practicing family law?

Kukutente23:
You know the amusing thing? All the clowns dragging Elliot that he has spent 12 years are siding with Gbaja who spent 20 years in the House of Reps and was about to do more until he was made CoS to Tinubu
They don't reckon that as greed
That's how serfs think
Everything done by their overlords is always right and they rise against their fellow serfs in deference to the overlords

Amazing isn't it?

basilico:
You might want to consider how African leaders go to IMF to beg for aid, a whole entourage that books into the most expensive hotel .

Or how the host IMF / World Bank meetings in their office boardrooms. 50 foot mahogany desk with marching with wood panels, executive leather seats , 20 tea girls . Begging for aid while displaying unimaginable opulence.

That had nothing to do with climate , civil rights, etc.

Oh yeah, that's horrible.

TV01:
Zero questions addressed

What will Nigeria et al (most African, Arab and Asian people groups) do to shift their cultural milieu to enable full sustainable modern societies - that's all.


TV

I am not inclined to engage this question because given that you believe it's impossible, it will be a waste of time.

DMCY:
He won’t withdraw khe ? Intimidation bawo? Lol

My friend, enter nollywood back and give us a movie titled “my sojourn into politics” Abhi “12 years as a politician”

12 Years a Slave you mean. A well fed one sha.

TV01:
Realisation sets in. DeepSight does not answer questions , explain or go granular. A "prefered" hypothesis is put together, inference - no matter how skewed - is drawn and stuck too.

Counters and interlocutors are challenged in 2 main ways; derided as not scholarly or mischaracterised to claim responses are extreme (introducing words like "savage", "barbaric", and mis-ascribing positions like "black people have never achieved anything good ever".

There is no meaningful debate to be had. Not sure debate is what is sought - more like agreement or validation.

What will Nigeria et al (most African, Arab and Asian people groups) do to shift their cultural milieu to enable full sustainable modern societies - that's all.

Man traduces his own treaty, taps out of his own challenge .


TV

Please don't be disingenuous. I did not misascribe anything to you. You specifically demanded that I point to any progress made by black Africans. Not only does that infer clearly that you don't believe there are any, but you also dismissed the progress on education and economics I pointed to. You went further to answer that you don't envisage black Africans achieving anything in the next one hundred years. You said very clearly that they would stagnate or regress. Indeed you have more than hinted that such regression will be to something primitive (the "Kraal" ).

What can anyone deduce from this. No one needs to interpret this. It is clear what you are saying, namely that you don't believe blacks have ever achieved anything or ever will.

Not to mention your jibe that there must be a Rene before a sance, basically saying that there cannot be an African Renaissance since there was nothing previously.

You have also said verbatim that you have no problem using the word "inferior."

So please if nothing else, at least be honest and bold enough to own what you have said.

The fact that what you have said is extremist, self hating and shameful is not my handiwork. It is yours.

And excuse me, I did not breach the deal. Show me where. I for example said that SA blacks are not barbaric and that was somehow supposed to be an insult to you?

And for Pete's sake, if you say that blacks have never achieved anything and never will, how is it wrong for me to say that that's clearly a racist position. My deal with you was not to point out such things.

I just can't see what there is to discuss further when you are adamant that blacks have never and will never achieve anything.

Please what on earth can I argue further from such a point of view, you tell me? It's an absurd extreme.
Bemeruca, if you agree with TV01 that black Africans have never achieved anything and never will, say so.

bemeruca:
My problem is with you is that you bring up history, climate, and colonialism mostly to explain failure away from internal responsibility.

But when I bring up greed, corruption, tribalism, poor leadership, disunity, and destructive culture, suddenly you say, greed is common to humanity. Of course greed is common to humanity.

That is exactly why strong institutions, accountability, values, and leadership matter.

Saying greed is common does not answer why some societies control it better than others, while others allow it to destroy public institutions.

And this your Trump deflection don tire person. If Trump is corrupt, condemn him. I that's your shtick, condemning corruption anywhere no problem.

But Trump does not explain Emefiele. Trump does not explain African leaders stealing the oil money.

Trump does not explain tribal voting. Trump does not explain why Nigeria with massive resources still cannot provide basic electricity, roads, security, or clean governance.

So yes, there are many factors. But you cannot list external factors forever and then become offended when internal failures are added to the list. Even your external factors are outdated. Colonialism helped us in many ways.

My argument is not education alone does not fix everything because I think you named only one factor.

My argument is that education, history, colonialism, and climate still do not remove responsibility from people, leaders, cultures, and institutions today.

Why can't you understand this basic thing?

All you need to understand is no one says leaders responsibility goes away.

brain54:
My brother just because no one refers to it as bush meat from your part...


Doesn't mean others can not call it whatever they want and eat it.


I have never eaten it myself. But if anyone decides to eat whatever they want it is their business.



The Chinese eat frogs and so many things that would make me cringe but would you tell them to not eat what they want. And does eating those things make the Chinese look bad?


Except an animal is endangered I have no problem with people eating anything they want. You should look the other way too as long as no one is forcing you to eat it with them!

What if eating it can spread diseases.

IjeBos:
Riots/Protest in states around the country = Storming the seat of the US government to stop the transfer of power that has been peaceful for ~200 years and kill Senators, House Members and the Vice President.
This post. Jesus.
You sound uneducated about the US and incapable of logically reasoning.

You don't even seem to understand the basics of US culture and government.
But why would you?
Have you read or studied any of it? Have you read the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution or even just the Bill of Rights?
Everything you write here sounds like someone who sees the US through a filter of what he thinks the US should be. The bigger problem is that you can't see to grasp that.

If you were really interested in having a discussion, you'd educate yourself so you wouldn't feel the need to be always making statements not backed by reality or false equivalencies.

I don't think he is well

IjeBos:
The problem is that they can't even say out loud what policies they agree with him on.
Is it no new wars, release Epstein files, corruption is bad, spending only on America?

There isn't any core motivating principles MAGAs have.
It's simply a personality cult.

Pure cult.

Gotocourt:
Na their family, same village people

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Gotocourt:
Ratus ratus

Meat oOoOO, chai

This is not ratus ratus

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DeepSight:
Absolutely.

Many MAGA Cultists will not be able to tell their grandchildren that they worshipped this man. They will fall silent with the ignominy of it, because it will be too disgraceful.

It will be just how most supporters of Hitler could no longer open their mouths to say so.