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DeepSight:
Absolutely.

Many MAGA Cultists will not be able to tell their grandchildren that they worshipped this man. They will fall silent with the ignominy of it, because it will be too disgraceful.

LordReed:
I swear. Trump is the antithesis of almost every Christian ideal and yet just because he says I am a Christian they all throw their panties at him. This moment in history will be studied very closely in years to come.

PastorAIO:
Devourer is reserved by yhwh for those of his followers that don’t want to pay tithe.

IjeBos:
Too many people spend their lives reading and repeating Republican wingnut propaganda.

This was this thread live while the Capital was being breached.
https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-trump-47th/1848

Mostly everyone who saw it live, including me, understood the historic ramifications, that this was then first time since the US's founding, there was not a peaceful transition of power.
Given that the peaceful transition of power is a bedrock of democracy thus one of our founding principles, yes, it was/is a very very big deal.

But of course, that you read about years later, you clearly have a better understanding.
And I forgot, of course, you understand the US culture better than anyone.

GracieX3:
DEEPSIGHT, Budaatum, cococandy, Ijebos, lordreed...


I am not religious but im starting to feel like there is something demonic possessing these MAGA cultists to support whatever corrupt nonsense Trump does. Apart from that,how can someone hate their own black skin.

This fooolishness is supernatural. Even atheist me sef dey hold rosary!!

budaatum:
And should therefore be poorer, and unaccountable, and irresponsible?

Not that I'm suggesting that black Americans and people are unaccountable and irresponsible, note.

PastorAIO:
It’s the belief that history occurs in cycles rather than a linear progressive trend. The cyclical belief is that cultures/empires rise and fall and will rise again and fall again in an eternally recurring cycle. In fact everything in life undergoes this cycle, a constant death and rebirth and death and rebirth. Ad infinitum.

The linear view, which is blinkered in my opinion, posits a world that starts in the distant primitive past and develops progressively until it reaches a culmination.
This is a worldview posited by Abrahamic religions. The world starts at a point in the past, creation, and progresses to the day of final judgment where all of history culminates. There after the whole drama of history comes to an end.
This is also the paradigm of many evolutionary theorists who see life as progressing from simple forms into ever more complex forms.

As far as I can see all around me, it is the cyclical paradigm of processes that abound. All that progresses will some day fall back only to start again.
There is no final culmination. This is partly why I always evaded questions about ‘ultimate salvation’ in the past and insisted that I was only interested in how I live my life now, that the kingdom of heaven is at hand right now and it is how you live you life right now. Nothing is coming in the future that hasn’t already happened in the past. This was a point where I was at odds with many ‘Christians’ so I sought to avoid the issue.
Luckily now, I don’t identify as Christian though my beliefs remain mostly unchanged.

PastorAIO:
roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.
Job 1:7

PastorAIO:
It’s the belief that history occurs in cycles rather than a linear progressive trend. The cyclical belief is that cultures/empires rise and fall and will rise again and fall again in an eternally recurring cycle. In fact everything in life undergoes this cycle, a constant death and rebirth and death and rebirth. Ad infinitum.

The linear view, which is blinkered in my opinion, posits a world that starts in the distant primitive past and develops progressively until it reaches a culmination.
This is a worldview posited by Abrahamic religions. The world starts at a point in the past, creation, and progresses to the day of final judgment where all of history culminates. There after the whole drama of history comes to an end.
This is also the paradigm of many evolutionary theorists who see life as progressing from simple forms into ever more complex forms.

As far as I can see all around me, it is the cyclical paradigm of processes that abound. All that progresses will some day fall back only to start again.
There is no final culmination. This is partly why I always evaded questions about ‘ultimate salvation’ in the past and insisted that I was only interested in how I live my life now, that the kingdom of heaven is at hand right now and it is how you live you life right now. Nothing is coming in the future that hasn’t already happened in the past. This was a point where I was at odds with many ‘Christians’ so I sought to avoid the issue.
Luckily now, I don’t identify as Christian though my beliefs remain mostly unchanged.

TV01:
The debate pivots on cultural milieu and how it will shift to drive the necessary transition to a fully-fledged, sustainable modernity. The extremity is all yours - which I cautioned against in my very first rejoinder.

I am gracious enough to allow your reverse ferret without crowing .

Godspeed


TV

bayelsaowei:
You are like Donald Trump.. insults don’t get to you but then when you look in the mirror it only tells you the kind of vile human being you are.

Rubbish!!!

PastorAIO:
The good ol days are still ahead of us, l’asę Edumare

tctrills:
One of the reasons Trump is president today is because he was able to boldly reject the 2020 election even when it was unpopular to do so.
And his victory has vindicated him.
In one year, he defeated 2 presidential candidates of the left.
One with debate and the other via election.
Moral of the story, do not be afraid to stick to your beliefs.
You may be prosecuted and definitely persecuted but remain steadfast because that's the only path to victory.

Trump and Mandela teach that same great lesson.

TV01:
The convo ended when you repeatedly broke terms. More pertinently when you were unable to evidence that was being done to move Nigeria et al closer to what we would expect in a modern nation state.

All you could do was refer to unrelated empires and civilisations of the past and assume that basis that Nigeria et al had to flourish in the (distant) future - just because

Further, you rightly introduced the FD concept, and were subsequently unable to show how this had measurably improved enough for Nigeria et al to progress towards full-fledged modernity.

Bemeruca amongst others has repeatedly shown you that education and even a burgeoning middle class are not enough on their own or necessarily evidence of long-term sustainability, if the cultural milieu does not radically alter.

Quite naturally, post colonialism, Nigeria et al reverted to their natal cultural mindset. That is to be expected. The question is, how many of the negative aspects can they shed and how many of the requisite morés can they adopt, to create the cultural consciousness required for the transition to fully-fledged modernity?

What mostly obtains now are colonial artefacts atop a legacy cultural consciousness. A major organ transplant gone wrong? Can it be fixed? Is there the will, the wherewithal? Evidence please.

And if you subscribe to the notion that white supremacy and racism continue to play a determinative role - which Nigeria et al are unable to surmount - why bother? Why have this discussion at all - other than to troll you of course

You haven't rested your case my learned friend, you have simply failed to make it .


TV

^{...and for what it is worth, I believe the west is now on a downward trajectory. Having lost sight of how they advanced and flourished. The question for them is can they turn it around orwhat will the pace of decline look like and where will it bottom out?}

tctrills:
And honestly, I understand that January 6th is a very sensitive topic for you but the only one our emotions should go to is Ashli Babbitt the real victim.

Not pretended victims like Alexandria occasio Cortez or merci polosky

tctrills:
He is calling for backup. Lol

As I said, I completely understand you.
The big media noise on January 6th and the way your politicians keep reminding you has trained your brain to believe it's the worst day of your life.
But that's what Fella calls zombie.

Look at the data?
Look at the level of destruction?
Then come back and let's have this discussion

tctrills:
Trump has taking more bullets than most soldiers in US history.

TV01:
...thank you and hello wherever you are.

Until anyone or any group of people are able to take a hard look at themselves in the cold harsh light of day and take unilateral and unwavering action for their own flourishing, nothing happens. How much more when you believe there are supremacists and racists looking to do you in?

I will always acknowledge the Israel' resoluteness. They continue to chart their own path to progress and prosperity whatever anyone else thinks, says or does - even the US. That's how it should be. Keep whining about deserts being sandy and the sun emanating heat . And of course water being too wet


TV

tctrills:
Your opinion, I have learnt not to fight you but to keep pressing you on the issues.

tctrills:
Do you know one thing that makes me respect Trump so much?
January 6th.
This man has courage and he fights for his beliefs.
After January 6th, his popularity crashed to the ground.
He lost a chunk of his support.
But he did not give up. He kept fighting and believing.
You leftists and Dems believe in following the opinion polls but Trump understands that as long as you remain constant and consistent, the people will come to you.

They tried to take his life for his beliefs , they are still trying but he continues to overcome.

He has become the greatest and most consequential president in US history.

He has faced the greatest hate and opposition but somehow, he is still standing.

tctrills:
We both knew this will end in tantrums and insults.

But I completely understand you. When the going gets tough, you resource to insults, name calling and tantrums.

That's my clue. That's when I know I am impacting.

Leftist only care about politicians, illegal immigrants and criminals.
George Floyd a known criminal was a big deal to the left but Ashli Babbitt a veteran means nothing to you.

tctrills:
Lol
The big difference, January 6th was close to the people of power.
The 2016 affected ordinary people, shop owners, bodegas, mom and pop businesss.
So yes, just because big important people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claims she was nearly killed, that elevated January 6th.

All lives are equal but some are more equal than the others

tctrills:
And as for Gore, he is either of these.
1. A coward who truly believed he won but was too afraid to fight fight fight.
2. He knew he did not win and finally accepted after a bit of time.

Trump on the other hand believed he won and fought till the end. That's why he is number 47

tctrills:
Lol
So the worse you ended up with was that trump did not attend a swearing in. That's what makes trump so bad.
This is a joke
The swearing in went on peacefully without him. How is that a problem.
And it would have been both foolish and hypocritical to attend the swearing in of an election you believe you won.

But of course leftist must cite that as the big difference.

In the last 4 years, both Nancy Pulaski and Hillary Clinton have repeated the Dems lie about Gore winning the election.

Really how can we take you serious.

tctrills:
You guys are always caught in hypocrisy.
You Dems insist Gore won against Bush. You Dems have the record of the most destructive riot against an election winner yet Trump is worse.
Did Trump not hand over power?
Was it in his right to insist he won? Yes just as Dems insist Gore won.
Was it in his right to peacefully demonstrate?
Yes
But Dems must complain..

tctrills:
Lol
The same hypocritical Dems that claim Bush lost to Al Gore despite the court cases? The same Dems that claim Stacey Adams won in Georgia? Are you trying to joke or what? Dems are the OG of election denial.
Even when you could not deny 2016, you began the " Not My President " riots across the country. The rioters destroyed propety worth almost 3 billion. The January 6 was learning compared to that.

tctrills:
The same courts you guys claim are corrupt when it comes to voting rights and abortion right?
The courts are wonderful only when it works in your favour.
Anyway, you forgot to add that the appealed the conviction and will not be paying a dime to New York. So what's your case

tctrills:
Ok, I don't have any evidence of Trump being corrupt.
But I will be happy if you present any

tctrills:
You who must look for fault. You are the boy who cried wolf. It is in your DNA to hate trump so now you have become a joke.
We expect you to hate and that makes you lose all credibility.
Again, was Obama corrupt?

bayelsaowei:
It’s shocking.

The things our own black Nigerians would support. They just support any and everything Trump does. There is never a time when enough is enough.

Sad times!!! I tell you.

How can someone see the below and not have their conscience prick them.

The next response is what about Biden? What about Obama.?

And these are the folks yapping about accountability.. meanwhile they are standing behind the most reprehensible, irresponsible and unrepentant mad man the world has ever witnessed.

bayelsaowei:
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

Chai.. who do Ona this thing na..

The juju Trump Dey use strong oo..

tctrills:
Lol
You have lost a credibility.
To you Trump is racist
He is evil
He is corrupt
Everything he does is bad
No one, except your gang members take you serious.
You guys have been accusing him of every and anything since 2016 that now no one cares to listen.
Was Obama corrupt?