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TV01:
...and your own free-will choices and actions .


TV

Not according to your scripture.
BTW, can you clue me in on this wonderful ability to blatantly ignore verses in a document I swear by? Such a skill should come in handy.

raumdeuter:
A man posts his own picture on his own property. And that is somehow a problem for you?

Maybe try to get your own property and do the same

Is the US Passport his property. Is the US Dollar his property? Was Gaza his property when he was fantasizing about a gold statue of him there?

TV01:
Oga, it's not God that needs justification, it's you!


TV

How so. Whatever I am is a consequence of the work of the creator.

TV01:
Again, your limited take and desire to cast God of evil. In what sense where they lost. As far as you can tell, only in a temporal sense. Omnipotence doesn't gamble .


TV

Nothing can justify the sadistic barbarity and immorality of the book of Job. It is a book that reveals the stark cold immorality and dark evil of the pagan mountain deity of the Jews.

triplechoice:
Not sure if you're trolling or being serious, but your post seems to directly contradict what you've consistently argued here on this board.

You have previously declared that the body is just a vehicle, not the real human being. The soul is what you are, the body is temporary instrument to experience life in the material plane.

Now you're questioning the "creator's" mercies and intentions simply because the body decays in old age. But if the body is only a vehicle, why would its inevitable wear and tear make you question the "creator" at all?. (I put soul in quotes because it is not a created thing) .Your post can only make sense only if you're deeply attached to the body as your true self, which undermines your earlier position

A person operating from the position of soul maintains the vehicle while it serves, and exists without blame when it no longer does.

So please let me know what has changed in your thinking?

Not much has changed in my thinking save a much stronger commitment to the admission of knowing little to nothing. A stronger agnosticism if you like.

You seem to say mere aging. No. It is not mere. And your saying that makes me wonder if you have had first hand (close) experience with many of the pathetic conditions that tend to regularly accompany old age. And not just conditions of the body - conditions of the mind.

I think many people who speak lightly of these things have either never come close to them or had a loved one pass through them in close living proximity. Any one who has will be sober about the subject. Extremely sober.

And to think this in the section for pets.

orisa37:
TRUMP IS RIGHTEOUS.

Pray for forgiveness for this blasphemous statement.

TcTrills, TV01, a delicious snack from the inimitable Christopher Hitchens -

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/irUsUiVDbY4

cc LordRreed

bemeruca:
Deepsight is no different from those south Africans

The scenes from south Africa are horrible. They even went to a school to terrorize the children of foreigners and shots were fired while children ran and cried. Children under the ages of 5 oh. Terrible mess.

Offpoint1:
Let me keep it short... Imagine Hitler living forever!

Do you get the picture?

In short, your concern is that humans are not mature, enlightened and ennobled enough to live forever, if they do, they will destroy alot.

Well, my own is this - if given the opportunity I doubt I would take it. I believe I am a spirit having a temporary human experience and locking myself down to this plane would impede my cosmic development.

budaatum:
Deepsight, remember these?

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind/33#115722474

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind/1#109463107

It's why I don't need to read the thread again.

I just re-read!

Let me say that -

In response to -

Consistency implies physical matter, and would answer the question what. Domicile implies a particular location, and would answer the question where. Dimension implies size, and would partly answer what. And all 3 remind me of being and time and space, the fundamentals of matter.

None of these definitions are my understanding of what you define. Consistency for me means a type or a nature. Domicile of a spirit or immaterial being will mean the dimensions it acts in, is present in, influences. Dimension would mean any plane of reality.

Would you understand therefore if the very next question after the aboves would be, show me where this spirit is so I can see for myself what it is made of?

Is it your expectation that the spirit is something that is visible to the physical eyes?

Skippyvibes:
Check out this cat I killed this morning

The Universe will revenge. Horrible barbarian.

Cyberterror:
Your opinion, celebrity pastor. The majority thinks that President Bola Ahmed Tinubu has done well and he will be re-elected by a landslide come January.

Kindly speak for yourself.

How does anyone have a PhD at 15? They have already screwed up his life.

Blakjewelry:
I think mankind is ever closer to achieving. Infact if all the money we pour on tools to eliminate our selves through war is channeled towards that end we would achieve that long ago. But then again we eliminate aging and war, how do we control world population.

No need to eliminate it, just invest in expansion to other planets.

Offpoint1:
Having this current humanity to live forever will be a disaster.

Elucidate pls.

GloriousGbola:
In a free market I'm not sure that fccpc has legal right to intervene. A seller can choose to sell his product at any cost he wants as I can also choose to patronise him or not.

After dollar went from 340 to over 1800 at a point, i simply shut down some purchases.

Some journeys that would have been by air are now by road. It is what it is

Well understood but FCCPC does indeed have the right to intervene where any practice is deemed exploitative. That is their remit.

Gerrard59:
Because restocking would mean higher fees. So, it makes sense to sell at a higher price once the policy change, vocal or written, has been made public. Fuel is 100 naira now. I bought it for 80 naira. BAT says "subsidy is gone". To restock, I would need 150 naira to get the same quantity. Do I sell at 100 naira now and have less financing to restock at 150, or do I immediately increase it to 150 after BAT's utterances?


For Iran, in my opinion, unless there is a lasting agreement to establish long term peace, prices should remain high. Always assume the worst case scenario. The best way to win here would be to stock up goods long before the war started. Na why businesses suppose dey follow geopolitical events.

GloriousGbola:
lazy example
so you have a business where you sell trainers
you buy for $100 and sell for $150
your supplier raises the price of the trainers to $150
if you sell out your stock at the $100 price, where do you generate the income to order your next stock?


fuel retail is a very cutthroat business and there are multiple losses - your workers are stealing from you, fuel is literally evaporating, you have to pay off area boys, local govt, different regulatory officials and you still have to break even.

it is not a straight black and white these guys are all greedy scenario. profits are required to finance future purchases

it is why you have clauses in construction contracts about price fluctuation. we have a project and cement is now 11k/bag. when we were awarded it was like 8k per bag. so yes we are getting shafted

Both of you have provided sound reasons and enlightened me. Obviously I know little about the way businesses like these are run. However I would say two things.

One is that it still represents cheating the consumer so long as the particular stock being sold was obtained at the pre existing price. Which ever way you see it, on that stock, the seller is now making an illegitimate profit by selling at revised prices which ought not apply to that stock in such a regulated industry. I may not be a retail businessman but I am a lawyer and I can tell you that such a practice violates consumer protection laws and should draw the attention of the FCCPC.

The second point is that the correct principle should be that the seller should ideally act as though he has to source fresh capital for new market realities as he would have done when starting his business. He can take a loan for such a purpose rather than inflicting an illicit increase on the consumer in order to afford his next stock, which he would at all events make profit from and be in a position to continue.

Gerrard59:
Companies have to make up the losses incurred during the hike in raw materials. Also, they have old stock which was purchased at higher prices, so final prices have to remain high until/unless raw materials become cheaper or equal to pre-US invasion of Iran.

Again my difficulty with this is that they never apply the same honesty in terms of increasing the prices in the first place. For example when BAT declared fuel subsidy was gone, prices jumped up at the stations before he left Eagle Square. They didn't wait for the stock they already had go peter out. Look at the Iran War, again they didn't wait for existing stock to peter out. They upped the prices the second the strait was closed by Iran notwithstanding the fact that there was obviously existing stock and in the case of Nigeria notwithstanding that we have a system that could have hedged against it. So there is an essential dishonesty.

IjeBos:
There was no-one else at the rally besides Neo-azis and White Nationalist.
It was a Neo-Nazi and White Nationalist rally/march.

That's why the media was confused as what he was trying to say.

Imagine there is a march for people who think Predo-fyles are ok.
So the only people who show up are people who think Predo-fyles are ok.
And people who don't think Predo-fyles are ok counter-protest.

Trump says there were some very fine people on both sides.
And then says, I'm not referring to the NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) people , they should be condemned.
Would that make sense?

What should the media report?

I understand your point and it is absolutely valid. I concur.

budaatum:
This I perfectly understand, Deep. Though I might argue about the air bit.

If I dreamt of apples, I doubt I could convince you of anything about apples too. But then, I'd just say I dreamt of apples and be done with it, and not use my dreaming of apples to try to convince you of anything to do with apples, because, Spaghetti!

In fact, I dreamt last night that I sat between dump and our King Charles at a banquet and engaged both of them in conversation and was like a mediator, and it did seem as true or as valid as air. There were no apples, but a huge lobster was served me, but annoyingly I had to get up and pee before I could taste any of the damn thing, and I was angry I hadn't drunk any of the fine wine as I peed too.

Now, would you like to hear what we conversed about? I've forgotten, i confess, but I can make up lies to try to convince you my dream was as valid as air if I don't care what that would say about my personality going forward to a person like you whom I consider intelligent and deep.

It's to do with the words we use, deep. Air is so valid that I just need to suck all of it out of a room you are in to convince you of its validity, but I doubt that would work where my lobster and fine wine with dump and King Charles is concerned.

Do let me know if I am wrong though, for I assure you my lobster was as big as a cow, and dump was as obnoxious as ever though the King was his graceful self.

Touché.

budaatum:
It's a thread I have read some of in the past in order to research and see and get a view into your soul, Deep, and your assertion at the start, which you have continued here, convinces me it's 40 pages of what you are asserting here, which is why you are now presenting it here. But if you changed your mind after the first page, do please post a specific link to a post for me to read, as there's no way I'd go through 40 pages to read what you are still asserting here after those 40 pages!

I cant do that. That thread contains some of the most delicate and nuanced arguments. Thats all I can say.
LordReed, of course, remained ever the formidable co-discussant.

budaatum:
And if you said it was what you thought or believed or even understood, I really wouldn't really ask you to prove it, but when you assert it as you do, expect Spaghetti, in order to flesh out your understanding.

Thing is, we know humans are more than our material bodies, and we loosely use words like spirit, soul, persona, and perhaps mind etc, to convey that aspect of us that we are uncertain about or just can not explain.

It is in fact the idea of the trinity, which is conveyed as father, son and holy spirit in Christianity, and some have even claimed there is a fourth aspect to make up a quaternity, which I would advise be explored (and note gender below). But claiming it is something that can be separated from the body or the person is, well, obvious only to those who can separate them, I guess.

I honestly dont claim to be able to show or prove it to anyone. It is too subjective an experience.
Its almost like asking me to prove to you what I dreamt about last night.

It can never be proven.
Nonetheless, if I dreamt about apples, I dreamt about apples.

It would be true, it would be as obvious to me as air, because I experienced it.
But I can never, never, not in a thousand years, prove to anyone what I dreamt about.

cococandy:
The thing is even hearing the full version makes no difference because we all know it was a lame attempt at backtracking.

You know that lame thing people do when they know they’ve had verbal diarrhea and mistakenly spoke their mind and then try to backtrack 🤣? That’s what he did there.

He can suck it

I concur.

IjeBos:
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Here are more of the remarks.
Even the reporter is trying to help him because they seem incredulous at what he was saying.
This is a video on the protests. Maybe you can point out the very fine people with the tiki torches who were protesting the night before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F2kPRW6ZuA

But the extract you provided (transcript of what he said) is self explanatory. He said "and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

Beyond that he also repeatedly said that there were some very bad people there as well.

I just happened to see much of the media singling out the words "very fine people on both sides." Seemed sort of manipulative to me.

But I think I have been clear enough that regardless, I dont agree with his words, regardless of what was cut out by much of the media.
I think I have said this almost seven times now in answer to you, so I dont know how much more I can make it clear that I align with your views.

Budaatum let me add that the thread on mind and matter is almost 40 pages strong and went into a lot of delicate arguments.
Reading the first few posts cannot give you a view of it.

budaatum:
And my Lord Reed gave an apt response.



As I said, anyone can sit in their house and assert whatever is obvious to them, but as soon as you step out you house and assert it in public, your assertions are not selling unless evidence is presented for them, and you have provided none.

Also, notice my Lord Reed's "BTW". It is my personality and not my body that you find interesting, Deep, since you can not see under my skirt and bra! And it would be absurd to claim personality, which is a product of the development of the mind, does not exist, since even you can witness its manifested output.

Now, you may wish to separate my personality from my body or call something in me my spirit or soul or even mind, but I can only assert that it is a part of me which I have cultivated and developed just as I have cultivated the tuber like muscles on my legs. And if you manage to separate my personality from my body all you'll be left with is my dead corpse.

Well, as I said, I dont think its the sort of experience that one can convey or prove to another person.

budaatum:
Like I too said my imaginary million pounds in my imaginary bank account is obvious to me! It's not like you will argue its not obvious to me I bet, until I insist you accept it as obvious to you payment for whatever you have to sell me.

Deep, everyone of us have things that are obvious to ourselves alone. And if I sit in my house with my obviouses to me, no one born will come and argue with me in my house that my obviouses are not obvious to me. But when I step outside and make that claim to people with brains, I should expect to be challenged or just be ridiculed and written off as braindead, I'd think, especially if I start arguing with them that it is obvious to me like air is obvious to everyone.

Out of interest, I'm currently in discussion with some older person who insists they used 'obvious to them' egbe (teleporting) when they were young. I asked how they came to England in the 60s, and they said they flew on a plane while telling me how ignorant I am because egbe is not obvious to me!

Save that you yourself have categorized your million pounds as imaginary.

Some things are experiential and cannot be proven to another person. Anyone who has had Out of Body Experiences, Near Death Experiences, astral travel, consistent prescient dreams and the like will know that there is an immaterial aspect to his or her being. Unfortunately each must experience these things for himself or herself.

I personally believe that it can be logically inferred as well, and i have tried several times to do so, but I can barely recall ever convincing anyone. Its just one of those things that has to be personally experienced.

Here is one of my attempts to prove that there is an intangible person beyond the physical body -

https://www.nairaland.com/1565324/person

But LordReed and I gave it a more thorough examination here -

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind

cococandy:
So asking a question not even directed to him about the Epstein files is now considered a promotion of violence against the President?

You would think that he would demand justice for all the little girls and he would do whatever it takes to get all those involved.

Only someone guilty would behave this way. We are Still missing about 2.5 million files….. why is the party of family values not upset about this?

Somehow, the question brought up about Epstein files is proof they need a new ballroom. Y’all MAGAts don’t see how ridiculous this is?

Really? 🤦🏽‍♀️

Jesus Christ of Nazareth. A Head of State posted that? A western, democratic head of state?
These are the end times. Its clear.

Apostle must hear this.

IjeBos:
But, do you see what I am saying?
Whoever is making this argument is trying to argue that outside of the KKK and Neo Nazis it was a fine rally full of fine Americans.
But, without the KKK, Neo Nazis and their sympathizers, there would be no rally because there would have been no people there.

They are attempting to normalize/sane wash the rally and Trump's support of the White Nationalists who showed up there.

Indeed. Agreed.

Still the media should not have clipped the sentence they way they did. You know, when you hide something you look shifty already.

budaatum:
Deep, I am mocking! And claiming the "existence of the soul is as obvious as the existence of air" can only but be mocked.

I mean, there's lots of ways you can go about showing me air even if I don't believe, but I very much doubt you can show me a soul in any way possible.

But hey! My imaginary million pounds in my imaginary bank account, for me. Just believe, and I hope you have a real obviously existing spanking brand new red Ferrari to sell me. I'll buy.

I said obvious to me.

Kukutente23:
The fate of the soul post death is another matter entirely. People have come up with different beliefs about it. It is impossible to know the truth until you have experienced it yourself. What you can only do is accept what you've come to believe as the right explanation

This is fair.